Itchy, painful legs at night

[Guest guest]

When I continued to be woken up by itchy, painful legs at night, I

knew I was getting old.

 

But since I have moved onto a ninety percent raw diet, I sleep like a

baby.

 

My blood pressure has gone down and I am full of energy. I don't know

quite what to do with all my energy. Maybe I'll start walking.

 

Cheerio,

Victor.

[Guest guest]

Victor,

 

When I made such complaints to a medic I was given the news that I had

a serious coronary condition and a number of prescriptions were made.

 

Now, three years later, the only one I continue, is the one hour walk

per day. All the rest have gone with the rawfood diet. So too have the

pains. The pity was that it took some time to arrive. The circulation,

viscosity

cholesterol level etc have all found lower natural levels since I

started the rawfood diet.

 

It is possible that you are pulling out of a much greater mess than you

know.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

shortus [no_reply ]

Monday, May 20, 2002 4:40 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Itchy, painful legs at night

 

When I continued to be woken up by itchy, painful legs at night, I

knew I was getting old.

 

But since I have moved onto a ninety percent raw diet, I sleep like a

baby.

 

My blood pressure has gone down and I am full of energy. I don't know

quite what to do with all my energy. Maybe I'll start walking.

 

Cheerio,

Victor.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Peter,

 

I am glad you drew attention to the far geater mess I may have got

into if I had gone to the doctor with my symptoms.

 

Ninety percent raw seems to deal with many problems.

 

However changing your diet seems to be harder than changing your

religion though of course more beneficial.

 

I appreciate your advice and encouragement.

 

Victor.

[Guest guest]

I could not agree more

 

I will ramble a bit and then come to some firm ideas.

 

My father told me that the toughest thing he ever did was to stop

tocacco. I tried for years to stop and relapsed. However when I could

feel my ability to walk slipping by the month and saw the medic who

said. " Give it up or I will be cutting off your toes for starters. "

Then stopping was a breeze and after two weeks with the odd quick puff I

was over the hurdle and never reverted. It was easy to give up.

 

I also heard from a medic whom I met socially that " Oh they all give up

smoking when it is too late. The failure rate is about zero except in

Southern India where the only pleasure poor people get is the biddy.

There they come in and beg to have their limbs cut off to relieve the

pain. "

 

In my case I took a roundabout road to going 100% raw. First cooked red

meat went. Gradually chicken went. Then I decided to go for raw food

and ate raw fish and raw meat in small quantities with a lot of

vegetables. I thought of Picasso going through his blue period as I went

through a period of eating raw potatoes to the astonishment and horror

of my wider family.

I got used to fads and saw them as illumination for the road ahead. A

month or two later I dropped raw meat and ate a lot of sardines. I

tried a bit of fasting and at the end of a year or so I decided to do a

long water fast and I found the rawfoodists on the internet.

 

Thus I went on the long water fast and read David Wolfe's Sunfood

Success diet. My reaction on reading his book was that I cared zero for

his religious advice (I found it as usefuls as Bush's politics)but was

spellbound by his dietary observations. I raised his book into one the

ten most important books I have read in my life. The fast had put me on

a huge detox and gave fresh raw spinach a taste such as can only be

imagined.Thus the last leap over to full raw was easy. Now I am phasing

out alcohol completely.

 

Alongside all this I had to locate the raw food. For example I read a

notice from an Auzzie saying that avocados are expensive in Australia.

I buy a box of 20 avocados for between one and three Euros. I get black

Spanish olives for three Euros a kilo and nearby I have a greengrocer

who always has fresh spinach. I do not want to bore you with more detail

on that subject. Supermarket vegetables look generally uninspiring to

me.

 

There is another aspect which is not clear. Imagine that you have never

swum in water. Can the experience truly be explained with words. Is

analogous with raw food dieting. It is hard to believe that one can

survive without cooked food. Added to that, the digestive system has to

start hunting for nutriets in different places. The transition can

easily leave one with a mild sense of hunger which leads worries about

the validity of the diet but if you hold on the body learns how to

extract what it needs.

At the same time detox is going on. I recall in the early stages when I

stopped meat how important blue cheese became. It tasted like nectar as

my body needed it. Now I get vegetable fats from olivesand avocados and

the same blue cheese would taste of blotting paper and cause my stomach

to make a lot of gurgling noises. Thus being totally doctrinaire or

myopic is not helpful either

 

Another example, I felt cold in winter until I stopped eating citrus

fruit and ate more bananas(this gleaned from the rawfoodists).

 

Probably the best plan is to keep trying, read books, do not worry about

and learn from the odd relapse. Feel the changes as they happen to you.

Getting better at anything involves a changing set of criteria.

 

When things get puzzling or require peer opinion, drop a line to

rawfoodists! There are a great help as they answer readily usually in

just the place you need it which often saves mountains of reading.

 

Peter.

 

The hour a day walking is tremendously important. It is another subject

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

shortus [no_reply ]

Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:11 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Itchy, painful legs at night

 

Dear Peter,

 

I am glad you drew attention to the far geater mess I may have got

into if I had gone to the doctor with my symptoms.

 

Ninety percent raw seems to deal with many problems.

 

However changing your diet seems to be harder than changing your

religion though of course more beneficial.

 

I appreciate your advice and encouragement.

 

Victor.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

At this time I dont just eat raw food. I have a wife and two young

boys, 7 and 10 who I seriously doubt would like everything raw, and I

certainly wouldnt push it on them.

 

Having said that though I do eat as much raw as I can, or at least

think I can eat raw. I very rarely eat red meat, as I just dont like

the idea of it and I'm certian it cant be the healthiest food type. I

do eat chicken, and love fish.

What would be wrong with cooking fish? What about bacteria if we

didnt cook the fish, surely there is the danger of poisoning.

 

Is it ok the eat raw potato? Does it make you feel ill at first, and

does it ever contain nasty bacteria that may get through the acid

environment of the stomach?

 

I would like to eat more raw food, but am unsure as to what the

dangers are.

 

Cheers

Mark

 

 

rawfood, " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote:

> I could not agree more

>

> I will ramble a bit and then come to some firm ideas.

>

> My father told me that the toughest thing he ever did was to stop

> tocacco. I tried for years to stop and relapsed. However when I

could

> feel my ability to walk slipping by the month and saw the medic who

> said. " Give it up or I will be cutting off your toes for starters. "

> Then stopping was a breeze and after two weeks with the odd quick

puff I

> was over the hurdle and never reverted. It was easy to give up.

>

> I also heard from a medic whom I met socially that " Oh they all

give up

> smoking when it is too late. The failure rate is about zero except

in

> Southern India where the only pleasure poor people get is the biddy.

> There they come in and beg to have their limbs cut off to relieve

the

> pain. "

>

> In my case I took a roundabout road to going 100% raw. First

cooked red

> meat went. Gradually chicken went. Then I decided to go for raw

food

> and ate raw fish and raw meat in small quantities with a lot of

> vegetables. I thought of Picasso going through his blue period as I

went

> through a period of eating raw potatoes to the astonishment and

horror

> of my wider family.

> I got used to fads and saw them as illumination for the road

ahead. A

> month or two later I dropped raw meat and ate a lot of sardines. I

> tried a bit of fasting and at the end of a year or so I decided to

do a

> long water fast and I found the rawfoodists on the internet.

>

> Thus I went on the long water fast and read David Wolfe's Sunfood

> Success diet. My reaction on reading his book was that I cared zero

for

> his religious advice (I found it as usefuls as Bush's politics)but

was

> spellbound by his dietary observations. I raised his book into one

the

> ten most important books I have read in my life. The fast had put

me on

> a huge detox and gave fresh raw spinach a taste such as can only be

> imagined.Thus the last leap over to full raw was easy. Now I am

phasing

> out alcohol completely.

>

> Alongside all this I had to locate the raw food. For example I

read a

> notice from an Auzzie saying that avocados are expensive in

Australia.

> I buy a box of 20 avocados for between one and three Euros. I get

black

> Spanish olives for three Euros a kilo and nearby I have a

greengrocer

> who always has fresh spinach. I do not want to bore you with more

detail

> on that subject. Supermarket vegetables look generally uninspiring

to

> me.

>

> There is another aspect which is not clear. Imagine that you have

never

> swum in water. Can the experience truly be explained with words.

Is

> analogous with raw food dieting. It is hard to believe that one can

> survive without cooked food. Added to that, the digestive system

has to

> start hunting for nutriets in different places. The transition can

> easily leave one with a mild sense of hunger which leads worries

about

> the validity of the diet but if you hold on the body learns how to

> extract what it needs.

> At the same time detox is going on. I recall in the early stages

when I

> stopped meat how important blue cheese became. It tasted like

nectar as

> my body needed it. Now I get vegetable fats from olivesand

avocados and

> the same blue cheese would taste of blotting paper and cause my

stomach

> to make a lot of gurgling noises. Thus being totally doctrinaire or

> myopic is not helpful either

>

> Another example, I felt cold in winter until I stopped eating citrus

> fruit and ate more bananas(this gleaned from the rawfoodists).

>

> Probably the best plan is to keep trying, read books, do not worry

about

> and learn from the odd relapse. Feel the changes as they happen to

you.

> Getting better at anything involves a changing set of criteria.

>

> When things get puzzling or require peer opinion, drop a line to

> rawfoodists! There are a great help as they answer readily usually

in

> just the place you need it which often saves mountains of reading.

>

> Peter.

>

> The hour a day walking is tremendously important. It is another

subject

 

> shortus [no_reply]

> Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:11 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Itchy, painful legs at night

>

> Dear Peter,

>

> I am glad you drew attention to the far geater mess I may have got

> into if I had gone to the doctor with my symptoms.

>

> Ninety percent raw seems to deal with many problems.

>

> However changing your diet seems to be harder than changing your

> religion though of course more beneficial.

>

> I appreciate your advice and encouragement.

>

> Victor.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mark,

 

Actually I know of people who eat raw meat as well as fruits and

vegetables and have been doing so for years. I have a book by Aajonis

Vonderplanitz. I'm not exactly sure how to spell his name without

looking at the book. Anyway go to this link on an informative article on

eating raw animal products.

http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/bass/aajonus.html

 

He claims that the worst thing that has ever happened to him is that

occasionally he would get the runs. His book is very entertaining. And

he claims incredible healing benefits with his techniques. I even tried

some raw meats briefly. But found that it wasn't for me. The book is

very interesting and well written.

 

He also says that bacteria isn't a problem unless you cook the food. The

bacteria on cooked food ends up getting much worse than on the raw

foods. I'm talking about after the food has cooled down and is either

standing outside or saved in the fridge. If you want to eat raw meats

I'd suggest to get that book because it will tell you how to do it.

 

I just picked up the book and it's called, " We Want to Live, " by Aajonus

Vonderplanitz. You can read the first 5 chapters for free by going to

this site, http://www.primaldiet.com/.

 

Aajonus eats raw chicken, beef, eggs, dairy, and other animal products.

He also eats fruits and vegetables.

 

In terms of eating raw I generally go for stuff that I enjoy eating in a

raw state. If it's too difficult to digest then I won't eat it. I

personally don't like raw broccoli so I tend to stay away from it.

Though I loved steamed broccoli.

 

Good Luck, Roger Haeske

 

 

P.S. Get a Free 6 Step Technique to Transition to a Raw Diet, go to

http://superbeing.com/awesometechnique.htm

 

 

placebos4u [mark]

Thursday, May 23, 2002 5:03 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Itchy, painful legs at night

 

At this time I dont just eat raw food. I have a wife and two young

boys, 7 and 10 who I seriously doubt would like everything raw, and I

certainly wouldnt push it on them.

 

Having said that though I do eat as much raw as I can, or at least

think I can eat raw. I very rarely eat red meat, as I just dont like

the idea of it and I'm certian it cant be the healthiest food type. I

do eat chicken, and love fish.

What would be wrong with cooking fish? What about bacteria if we

didnt cook the fish, surely there is the danger of poisoning.

 

Is it ok the eat raw potato? Does it make you feel ill at first, and

does it ever contain nasty bacteria that may get through the acid

environment of the stomach?

 

I would like to eat more raw food, but am unsure as to what the

dangers are.

 

Cheers

Mark