Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Hi everyone Thanks for the responses regarding storing green leafy vegetables. I have a question regarding raw diet. I read in a few articles that women who eat raw vegetarian diet might experience irregular/missing periods. Acc to one article, it mentioned that menstrual bleeding is an unwanted body mechanism and when one sticks to raw diet, periods might diappear/be missed. Has anyone experience this phenomenon? I apologize if this is too private a question to be posted on a mailing list. If so, I would appreciate getting your replies to my email address " gayu_pwc " privately. Thanks Gayathri Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 Gayathri; yes if you are doing it right you will stop menstruating. This has come up before I don't remember the post number, but at the time I copied an excerpt from the book " Survival into the 21st Century " by Viktoras Kulvinskas; titled " The Biological Superiority of Woman " that deals with this issue. I just emailed it to you. Its quite long 12 pages. Let me know (in a board post) if you get it as I am having trouble with my email. If any one else wants to read it, let me know. I'll push the button. Gayathri; if this has happened to you; congratulations. This is what should happen. Doug rawfood, Gayathri Kuppuswamy <gayu_pwc> wrote: > Hi everyone > > Thanks for the responses regarding storing green leafy > vegetables. > > I have a question regarding raw diet. I read in a few > articles that women who eat raw vegetarian diet might > experience irregular/missing periods. > Acc to one article, it mentioned that menstrual > bleeding is an unwanted body mechanism and when one > sticks to raw diet, periods might diappear/be missed. > > Has anyone experience this phenomenon? > > I apologize if this is too private a question to be > posted on a mailing list. > If so, I would appreciate getting your replies to my > email address " gayu_pwc " privately. > > Thanks > Gayathri > > > > Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 Hi Doug I didn't get the 12 pages draft . I thought periods are part of nature and this concept seems to be defying nature. I would like to read through the document to see the explanation for this happening. Thanks a lot Gaytahri --- kauguy <no_reply > wrote: > Gayathri; yes if you are doing it right you will > stop menstruating. > This has come up before I don't remember the post > number, but at the > time I copied an excerpt from the book " Survival > into the 21st > Century " by Viktoras Kulvinskas; titled " The > Biological Superiority > of Woman " that deals with this issue. > I just emailed it to you. Its quite long 12 pages. > Let me know (in a > board post) if you get it as I am having trouble > with my email. If > any one else wants to read it, let me know. I'll > push the button. > > Gayathri; if this has happened to you; > congratulations. This is what > should happen. > > Doug > > > > rawfood, Gayathri Kuppuswamy > <gayu_pwc> wrote: > > Hi everyone > > > > Thanks for the responses regarding storing green > leafy > > vegetables. > > > > I have a question regarding raw diet. I read in a > few > > articles that women who eat raw vegetarian diet > might > > experience irregular/missing periods. > > Acc to one article, it mentioned that menstrual > > bleeding is an unwanted body mechanism and when > one > > sticks to raw diet, periods might diappear/be > missed. > > > > Has anyone experience this phenomenon? > > > > I apologize if this is too private a question to > be > > posted on a mailing list. > > If so, I would appreciate getting your replies to > my > > email address " gayu_pwc " privately. > > > > Thanks > > Gayathri > > > > > > > > Autos - Get free new car price quotes > > http://autos. > > Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 Hi Doug! I'd love for you to e-mail me a copy. Sounds fascinating. Mary Ann - kauguy rawfood Saturday, July 13, 2002 9:36 PM [Raw Food] Re: [Raw_Food]will raw diet affect menstruation? Gayathri; yes if you are doing it right you will stop menstruating. This has come up before I don't remember the post number, but at the time I copied an excerpt from the book " Survival into the 21st Century " by Viktoras Kulvinskas; titled " The Biological Superiority of Woman " that deals with this issue. I just emailed it to you. Its quite long 12 pages. Let me know (in a board post) if you get it as I am having trouble with my email. If any one else wants to read it, let me know. I'll push the button. Gayathri; if this has happened to you; congratulations. This is what should happen. Doug rawfood, Gayathri Kuppuswamy <gayu_pwc> wrote: > Hi everyone > > Thanks for the responses regarding storing green leafy > vegetables. > > I have a question regarding raw diet. I read in a few > articles that women who eat raw vegetarian diet might > experience irregular/missing periods. > Acc to one article, it mentioned that menstrual > bleeding is an unwanted body mechanism and when one > sticks to raw diet, periods might diappear/be missed. > > Has anyone experience this phenomenon? > > I apologize if this is too private a question to be > posted on a mailing list. > If so, I would appreciate getting your replies to my > email address " gayu_pwc " privately. > > Thanks > Gayathri > > > > Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 Hey Doug, I would love to read that article. Could you send it to me? Thanks! Jennifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 I've never heard of this before. I'd appreciate a copy of the article. Thanks! rawfood, kauguy <no_reply> wrote: > Gayathri; yes if you are doing it right you will stop menstruating. > This has come up before I don't remember the post number, but at the > time I copied an excerpt from the book " Survival into the 21st > Century " by Viktoras Kulvinskas; titled " The Biological Superiority > of Woman " that deals with this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 Ann Nutr Metab 1999;43(2):69-79 Consequences of a long-term raw food diet on body weight and menstruation: results of a questionnaire survey. Koebnick C, Strassner C, Hoffmann I, Leitzmann C. Institute of Nutritional Science Justus Liebig University of Giessen, Germany. Corinna.Koebnick OBJECTIVE: To examine the relationship between the strictness of long- term raw food diets and body weight loss, underweight and amenorrhea. METHODS: In a cross-sectional study 216 men and 297 women consuming long-term raw food diets (3.7 years; SE 0.25) of different intensities completed a specially developed questionnaire. Participants were divided into 5 groups according to the amount of raw food in their diet (70-79, 80-89, 90-94, 95-99 and 100%). A multiple linear regression model (n = 513) was used to evaluate the relationship between body weight and the amount of raw food consumed. Odds of underweight were determined by a multinomial logit model. RESULTS: From the beginning of the dietary regimen an average weight loss of 9.9 kg (SE 0.4) for men and 12 kg (SE 0.6) for women was observed. Body mass index (BMI) was below the normal weight range (<18.5 kg/m(2)) in 14.7% of male and 25.0% of female subjects and was negatively related to the amount of raw food consumed and the duration of the raw food diet. About 30% of the women under 45 years of age had partial to complete amenorrhea; subjects eating high amounts of raw food (>90%) were affected more frequently than moderate raw food dieters. CONCLUSIONS: The consumption of a raw food diet is associated with a high loss of body weight. Since many raw food dieters exhibited underweight and amenorrhea, a very strict raw food diet cannot be recommended on a long-term basis. PMID: 10436305 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 Hi All, This is interesting but we have to look at a number of different factors that aren't included in this study or at least this page. This study is saying that we lose too much weight from raw diet and it causes us to stop menstruating due to a drop in body fat. Are these subjects eating enought fats? If so, what type-nuts, oils, avocado? Are they eating enought protein rich raw foods like alfalfa sprouts, avocado, nuts, etc? There are so many factors that can adjust the results of this study. Body fat can be contolled based on these things. Women should not lose their menstruation completely, but I know once the body is detoxified from the raw diet and the hormones become balanced, menstruation should be a breeze-symptonless and light. I also use a natural progesterone cream which is quite amazing at assisting with a symptomless mense. Regina galapugust wrote:Ann Nutr Metab 1999;43(2):69-79 Consequences of a long-term raw food diet on body weight and menstruation: results of a questionnaire survey. Koebnick C, Strassner C, Hoffmann I, Leitzmann C. Institute of Nutritional Science Justus Liebig University of Giessen, Germany. Corinna.Koebnick OBJECTIVE: To examine the relationship between the strictness of long- term raw food diets and body weight loss, underweight and amenorrhea. METHODS: In a cross-sectional study 216 men and 297 women consuming long-term raw food diets (3.7 years; SE 0.25) of different intensities completed a specially developed questionnaire. Participants were divided into 5 groups according to the amount of raw food in their diet (70-79, 80-89, 90-94, 95-99 and 100%). A multiple linear regression model (n = 513) was used to evaluate the relationship between body weight and the amount of raw food consumed. Odds of underweight were determined by a multinomial logit model. RESULTS: From the beginning of the dietary regimen an average weight loss of 9.9 kg (SE 0.4) for men and 12 kg (SE 0.6) for women was observed. Body mass index (BMI) was below the normal weight range (<18.5 kg/m(2)) in 14.7% of male and 25.0% of female subjects and was negatively related to the amount of raw food consumed and the duration of the raw food diet. About 30% of the women under 45 years of age had partial to complete amenorrhea; subjects eating high amounts of raw food (>90%) were affected more frequently than moderate raw food dieters. CONCLUSIONS: The consumption of a raw food diet is associated with a high loss of body weight. Since many raw food dieters exhibited underweight and amenorrhea, a very strict raw food diet cannot be recommended on a long-term basis. PMID: 10436305 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 I got it instead. --- Gayathri Kuppuswamy <gayu_pwc wrote: > Hi Doug > > I didn't get the 12 pages draft . ===== LadyJane and: Mathesar, Commanding Quaker Parrot in Charge The Princess Snowbird, 'Brella 'Too Gilbert, soon to arrive Loveboid Taz, the 19 lb. Monstercat Socrates, the Australian Heeler who Fears All Frederick the Boy, His Assorted Fish & Hermit Crabs Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 ----- [hollie] I have not received this article - haven't asked for it yet .... but are you sure bleeding is a normal process - I really have had trouble all of my life imagining women running through the woods or foraging on the plains or swinging through the trees bleeding a pint a day for a week - can you imagine the trail of carnivores that would be following you ? I suspect that if we lived the life we are supposed to be we would not bleed at all - it makes no sense to. Hollie This study is saying that we lose too much weight from raw diet and it causes us to stop menstruating due to a drop in body fat. Are these subjects eating enought fats? If so, what type-nuts, oils, avocado? Are they eating enought protein rich raw foods like alfalfa sprouts, avocado, nuts, etc? There are so many factors that can adjust the results of this study. Body fat can be contolled based on these things. Women should not lose their menstruation completely, but I know once the body is detoxified from the raw diet and the hormones become balanced, menstruation should be a breeze-symptonless and light. I also use a natural progesterone cream which is quite amazing at assisting with a symptomless mense. Regina galapugust wrote:Ann Nutr Metab 1999;43(2):69-79 Consequences of a long-term raw food diet on body weight and menstruation: results of a questionnaire survey. Koebnick C, Strassner C, Hoffmann I, Leitzmann C. Institute of Nutritional Science Justus Liebig University of Giessen, Germany. Corinna.Koebnick OBJECTIVE: To examine the relationship between the strictness of long- term raw food diets and body weight loss, underweight and amenorrhea. METHODS: In a cross-sectional study 216 men and 297 women consuming long-term raw food diets (3.7 years; SE 0.25) of different intensities completed a specially developed questionnaire. Participants were divided into 5 groups according to the amount of raw food in their diet (70-79, 80-89, 90-94, 95-99 and 100%). A multiple linear regression model (n = 513) was used to evaluate the relationship between body weight and the amount of raw food consumed. Odds of underweight were determined by a multinomial logit model. RESULTS: From the beginning of the dietary regimen an average weight loss of 9.9 kg (SE 0.4) for men and 12 kg (SE 0.6) for women was observed. Body mass index (BMI) was below the normal weight range (<18.5 kg/m(2)) in 14.7% of male and 25.0% of female subjects and was negatively related to the amount of raw food consumed and the duration of the raw food diet. About 30% of the women under 45 years of age had partial to complete amenorrhea; subjects eating high amounts of raw food (>90%) were affected more frequently than moderate raw food dieters. CONCLUSIONS: The consumption of a raw food diet is associated with a high loss of body weight. Since many raw food dieters exhibited underweight and amenorrhea, a very strict raw food diet cannot be recommended on a long-term basis. PMID: 10436305 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Good point!! - hollie rawfood Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:37 PM RE: [Raw Food] Re: [Raw_Food]will raw diet affect menstruation? ----- [hollie] I have not received this article - haven't asked for it yet .... but are you sure bleeding is a normal process - I really have had trouble all of my life imagining women running through the woods or foraging on the plains or swinging through the trees bleeding a pint a day for a week - can you imagine the trail of carnivores that would be following you ? I suspect that if we lived the life we are supposed to be we would not bleed at all - it makes no sense to. Hollie This study is saying that we lose too much weight from raw diet and it causes us to stop menstruating due to a drop in body fat. Are these subjects eating enought fats? If so, what type-nuts, oils, avocado? Are they eating enought protein rich raw foods like alfalfa sprouts, avocado, nuts, etc? There are so many factors that can adjust the results of this study. Body fat can be contolled based on these things. Women should not lose their menstruation completely, but I know once the body is detoxified from the raw diet and the hormones become balanced, menstruation should be a breeze-symptonless and light. I also use a natural progesterone cream which is quite amazing at assisting with a symptomless mense. Regina galapugust wrote:Ann Nutr Metab 1999;43(2):69-79 Consequences of a long-term raw food diet on body weight and menstruation: results of a questionnaire survey. Koebnick C, Strassner C, Hoffmann I, Leitzmann C. Institute of Nutritional Science Justus Liebig University of Giessen, Germany. Corinna.Koebnick OBJECTIVE: To examine the relationship between the strictness of long- term raw food diets and body weight loss, underweight and amenorrhea. METHODS: In a cross-sectional study 216 men and 297 women consuming long-term raw food diets (3.7 years; SE 0.25) of different intensities completed a specially developed questionnaire. Participants were divided into 5 groups according to the amount of raw food in their diet (70-79, 80-89, 90-94, 95-99 and 100%). A multiple linear regression model (n = 513) was used to evaluate the relationship between body weight and the amount of raw food consumed. Odds of underweight were determined by a multinomial logit model. RESULTS: From the beginning of the dietary regimen an average weight loss of 9.9 kg (SE 0.4) for men and 12 kg (SE 0.6) for women was observed. Body mass index (BMI) was below the normal weight range (<18.5 kg/m(2)) in 14.7% of male and 25.0% of female subjects and was negatively related to the amount of raw food consumed and the duration of the raw food diet. About 30% of the women under 45 years of age had partial to complete amenorrhea; subjects eating high amounts of raw food (>90%) were affected more frequently than moderate raw food dieters. CONCLUSIONS: The consumption of a raw food diet is associated with a high loss of body weight. Since many raw food dieters exhibited underweight and amenorrhea, a very strict raw food diet cannot be recommended on a long-term basis. PMID: 10436305 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 I just sent it to you Hollie its a good read. I would like to just post it on the board but its huge. If any of you guys want it let me know I know we don't have the problem but its very interisting and once again shows how different life on raw foods can become, and how physiologicly different from cooked food eaters we are. Doug rawfood, " hollie " <hmoggridge@c...> wrote: > > ----- > [hollie] > I have not received this article - haven't asked for it yet .... > but are you sure bleeding is a normal process - I really have had trouble > all of my life imagining women running through the woods or foraging on the > plains or swinging through the trees bleeding a pint a day for a week - can > you imagine the trail of carnivores that would be following you ? I suspect > that if we lived the life we are supposed to be we would not bleed at all - > it makes no sense to. > > Hollie > > This study is saying that we lose too much weight from raw diet and it > causes us to stop menstruating due to a drop in body fat. Are these > subjects eating enought fats? If so, what type-nuts, oils, avocado? Are > they eating enought protein rich raw foods like alfalfa sprouts, avocado, > nuts, etc? There are so many factors that can adjust the results of this > study. Body fat can be contolled based on these things. > Women should not lose their menstruation completely, but I know once the > body is detoxified from the raw diet and the hormones become balanced, > menstruation should be a breeze-symptonless and light. > I also use a natural progesterone cream which is quite amazing at > assisting with a symptomless mense. > Regina > > galapugust wrote:Ann Nutr Metab 1999;43(2):69-79 > > Consequences of a long-term raw food diet on body weight and > menstruation: results of a questionnaire survey. > > Koebnick C, Strassner C, Hoffmann I, Leitzmann C. > > Institute of Nutritional Science Justus Liebig University of Giessen, > Germany. Corinna.Koebnick@e... > > OBJECTIVE: To examine the relationship between the strictness of long- > term raw food diets and body weight loss, underweight and amenorrhea. > METHODS: In a cross-sectional study 216 men and 297 women consuming > long-term raw food diets (3.7 years; SE 0.25) of different > intensities completed a specially developed questionnaire. > Participants were divided into 5 groups according to the amount of > raw food in their diet (70-79, 80-89, 90-94, 95-99 and 100%). A > multiple linear regression model (n = 513) was used to evaluate the > relationship between body weight and the amount of raw food consumed. > Odds of underweight were determined by a multinomial logit model. > RESULTS: From the beginning of the dietary regimen an average weight > loss of 9.9 kg (SE 0.4) for men and 12 kg (SE 0.6) for women was > observed. Body mass index (BMI) was below the normal weight range > (<18.5 kg/m(2)) in 14.7% of male and 25.0% of female subjects and was > negatively related to the amount of raw food consumed and the > duration of the raw food diet. About 30% of the women under 45 years > of age had partial to complete amenorrhea; subjects eating high > amounts of raw food (>90%) were affected more frequently than > moderate raw food dieters. CONCLUSIONS: The consumption of a raw food > diet is associated with a high loss of body weight. Since many raw > food dieters exhibited underweight and amenorrhea, a very strict raw > food diet cannot be recommended on a long-term basis. > > PMID: 10436305 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2002 Report Share Posted August 28, 2002 Hi there, Sorry to jump into this when the conversation's already over, but I wanted to add that I heard recently that women in Asia, a country which is starting to take on the SAD but not completely yet, stop menstruating at a much younger age than American women. Their diet isn't raw, but does consist of more whole, less processed foods like vegetables, grains, fruit and fish mostly, so it's closer to raw than SAD is. I think the report said that part of it could be the hormones in red meat making American women menstruate unnaturally. Hope this is of interest! Carol rawfood, Gayathri Kuppuswamy <gayu_pwc> wrote: > Hi everyone > > Thanks for the responses regarding storing green leafy > vegetables. > > I have a question regarding raw diet. I read in a few > articles that women who eat raw vegetarian diet might > experience irregular/missing periods. > Acc to one article, it mentioned that menstrual > bleeding is an unwanted body mechanism and when one > sticks to raw diet, periods might diappear/be missed. > > Has anyone experience this phenomenon? > > I apologize if this is too private a question to be > posted on a mailing list. > If so, I would appreciate getting your replies to my > email address " gayu_pwc " privately. > > Thanks > Gayathri > > > > Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2002 Report Share Posted August 29, 2002 Hi Gayathri, Actually body fat - and menstruation are all tied together. I am a personal trainer and know from experience that those athletic women whose body fat gets low low, stop their menses. My posting the same day as yours was an attempt to ask those who have been on all raw foods if they find maintaining adequate body fat challenging, So is it folks? Regarding menses, I have been vegetarian for 25 years and now near vegan for another 25 - so 50 years of veggie living and much raw food. I stopped my menses at 42 and the Dr. told me that was 'early' for menopause. I never thought to ask my deceased Mother when she stopped. Most gynecologists say we follow our Mothers patterns, I presume they also figure we follow their diet patterns. My Mother became veggie at about age 30 due to extreme health problems. So who knows? I was about 9 when she was smart enough to give me the choice to follow the lecturers (like Paul Bragg) that we were going to and I did. Good health to you, Roberta Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:28:11 -0000 carolj1974 Re: [Raw_Food]will raw diet affect menstruation? Hi there, Sorry to jump into this when the conversation's already over, but I wanted to add that I heard recently that women in Asia, a country which is starting to take on the SAD but not completely yet, stop menstruating at a much younger age than American women. Their diet isn't raw, but does consist of more whole, less processed foods like vegetables, grains, fruit and fish mostly, so it's closer to raw than SAD is. I think the report said that part of it could be the hormones in red meat making American women menstruate unnaturally. Hope this is of interest! Carol Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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