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I've been trying to eat a more raw diet. I've been a vegetarian for

three years, but that doesn't mean I eat as healthy as I should...

after all, french fries and ice cream are vegetarian. :)I just bought

a juicer and have been enjoying that and I hope to go on a juice fast

soon. The reason why I haven't yet is coffee. That's my weakness.

I've given up smoking, drinking, and meat, so I've always allowed

myself to have my coffee. But I have mood swings, low energy, and

insomnia and I suspect a big part of it is caffeine. Can anyone

suggest a good, not too expensive, alternative? I heard of one

substitute that provides natural energy (Oasis AM) but it's pretty

costly ($14.95 for 20-30 servings). I've tried herbal teas in the

past and they weren't for me (not 'robust' enough, I guess). I'm

looking for something that will give me a natural energy burst

similar to what I get from coffee, without the caffeine and chemicals.

 

Also, I saw the earlier suggestions for the book, The Raw Gourmet.

Is that a good book for beginners? I'd like something that gives

info on the benefits of a raw diet as well as recipes. I have a 12

year old son and a busy busy schedule so the recipes will need to be

something he'll eat and that are easy to prepare with easy to find

ingredients.

 

Thanks,

Jane

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Lady Jane,

 

David Wolfe has some science in his Sun Food Success Diet to

suggest that craving and addiction fall sharply with the eating of the

green leaf. It seems you need 1-lbs. per day at least to make headway.

 

I consumed 40-60 cigarettes with a good 15 or more cups of coffee a day;

the coffee

was not of the insipid Anglo-Saxon variety but rather the sharp

continental

kicking blend.

 

On the drinking side, after to moving over to raw food, I reduced to

half

a bottle of wine a day for a few months believing in the sentiment that

good French wine draws minerals from deep in the ground and is somehow

" good for

the health " as evidenced the good health of the French. Now that

consumption has

dropped to half a bottle a month at a dinner and the giving up gets

easier.

 

Replacing grain, and in particular wheat, with fruit could be a target

for

you; then you will find the need for the jab from coffee will evaporate

along with French fries, ice-cream and a whole lot else.

 

I notice that people who eat large meals of cooked food all complain of

sluggishness afterwards. My father used to make the quip that he felt

perfectly

alright until he ate some junk food and from then onwards he felt awful.

 

Now I am on the raw food diet giving up any addiction seems

straightforward. I had been

trying and failing to stop smoking for decades for instance.

 

In fact I have joined in the consensus that cooked food is the largest

addiction on the planet.

 

Peter

 

 

ladyjane_in_colorado [ladyjane_in_colorado]

28 August 2002 22:04

rawfood

[Raw Food] Coffee Alternative / Book Suggestions

 

 

I've been trying to eat a more raw diet. I've been a vegetarian for

three years, but that doesn't mean I eat as healthy as I should...

after all, french fries and ice cream are vegetarian. :)I just bought

a juicer and have been enjoying that and I hope to go on a juice fast

soon. The reason why I haven't yet is coffee. That's my weakness.

I've given up smoking, drinking, and meat, so I've always allowed

myself to have my coffee. But I have mood swings, low energy, and

insomnia and I suspect a big part of it is caffeine. Can anyone

suggest a good, not too expensive, alternative? I heard of one

substitute that provides natural energy (Oasis AM) but it's pretty

costly ($14.95 for 20-30 servings). I've tried herbal teas in the

past and they weren't for me (not 'robust' enough, I guess). I'm

looking for something that will give me a natural energy burst

similar to what I get from coffee, without the caffeine and chemicals.

 

Also, I saw the earlier suggestions for the book, The Raw Gourmet.

Is that a good book for beginners? I'd like something that gives

info on the benefits of a raw diet as well as recipes. I have a 12

year old son and a busy busy schedule so the recipes will need to be

something he'll eat and that are easy to prepare with easy to find

ingredients.

 

Thanks,

Jane

 

 

 

 

 

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Good input Peter. I always enjoy reading your posts. Your accomplishments

amaze me! Lady Jane, this is great advice. The longer I've been eating raw,

the less I have cravings for junk. I do eat a bit of cooked foods and I swear

they increase cravings. They definitely zap my energy.

Peter Gardiner

wrote:

 

In fact I have joined in the consensus that cooked food is the largest

addiction on the planet.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Jane,

 

Hi, there. I'm new to the list, but I do know about

giving up coffee. Coffee was my ONE vice. <grin>

I've been working with a nutritionist, and due to my

on-going health issues (especially adrenial related),

I decided the give up coffee for a while.

 

(My advice will not be raw, but it may be a nice first

step. I look forward to hearing what others say.)

 

So, here's my advice. Just set coffee aside one day

at a time. It may help to not make it all or nothing,

forever and ever or you've failed.

 

Also, what you need to replace is the ritual of

coffee. Nothing is coffee except coffee. But you can

replace the ritual with other warm drinks.

 

Try Teeccino's Java flavor. I think you'll like it,

and it does give you natural boosts, due to great

ingredients. (This is, of course, not a raw product.)

It's $6.95 a small can or $13.08 for a pound. It has

a warm, roasted flavor that may help you with the

coffee cravings.

 

Do you drink milk in your coffee? Try soy milk (which

I know you can make raw).

 

But my main drink is green tea. It's warm, it has a

bit of caffeine, and it's incredibly good for my liver

and health. Again, it's not raw. Although I guess

you could find the fresh plant (where???) and make sun

tea with it.

 

Best of luck to you,

 

Diane

 

 

 

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Hi Jane,

 

This is the first time I've posted on this board but the topic under

discussion is dear to my heart! Coffee has always been my downfall

too.

 

I've found a coffee substitue I like a lot. It's called Teeccino.

It's also a bit pricey but not remotely as expensive as Oasis AM and

I find it gives me a refreshing kick (more of an uplifting

feeling ... not that caffeine jolt).

 

http://www.teeccino.com is their web site, if you're interested. They

include a 2-week plan to quite caffeine painlessly. It comes in 7

flavours. They vary quite widely. I find my favorites change from

time to time.

 

I find drinking a lot of water and eating and drinking lots of green

foods helps me detox from coffee and tea more comfortably.

 

Yours,

 

Rhoda-Mary

 

rawfood, " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote:

> Lady Jane,

>

> David Wolfe has some science in his Sun Food Success Diet to

> suggest that craving and addiction fall sharply with the eating of

the

> green leaf. It seems you need 1-lbs. per day at least to make

headway.

>

> I consumed 40-60 cigarettes with a good 15 or more cups of coffee a

day;

> the coffee

> was not of the insipid Anglo-Saxon variety but rather the sharp

> continental

> kicking blend.

>

> On the drinking side, after to moving over to raw food, I reduced to

> half

> a bottle of wine a day for a few months believing in the sentiment

that

> good French wine draws minerals from deep in the ground and is

somehow

> " good for

> the health " as evidenced the good health of the French. Now that

> consumption has

> dropped to half a bottle a month at a dinner and the giving up gets

> easier.

>

> Replacing grain, and in particular wheat, with fruit could be a

target

> for

> you; then you will find the need for the jab from coffee will

evaporate

> along with French fries, ice-cream and a whole lot else.

>

> I notice that people who eat large meals of cooked food all

complain of

> sluggishness afterwards. My father used to make the quip that he

felt

> perfectly

> alright until he ate some junk food and from then onwards he felt

awful.

>

> Now I am on the raw food diet giving up any addiction seems

> straightforward. I had been

> trying and failing to stop smoking for decades for instance.

>

> In fact I have joined in the consensus that cooked food is the

largest

> addiction on the planet.

>

> Peter

>

>

> ladyjane_in_colorado [ladyjane_in_colorado]

> 28 August 2002 22:04

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Coffee Alternative / Book Suggestions

>

>

> I've been trying to eat a more raw diet. I've been a vegetarian

for

> three years, but that doesn't mean I eat as healthy as I should...

> after all, french fries and ice cream are vegetarian. :)I just

bought

> a juicer and have been enjoying that and I hope to go on a juice

fast

> soon. The reason why I haven't yet is coffee. That's my

weakness.

> I've given up smoking, drinking, and meat, so I've always allowed

> myself to have my coffee. But I have mood swings, low energy, and

> insomnia and I suspect a big part of it is caffeine. Can anyone

> suggest a good, not too expensive, alternative? I heard of one

> substitute that provides natural energy (Oasis AM) but it's pretty

> costly ($14.95 for 20-30 servings). I've tried herbal teas in the

> past and they weren't for me (not 'robust' enough, I guess). I'm

> looking for something that will give me a natural energy burst

> similar to what I get from coffee, without the caffeine and

chemicals.

>

> Also, I saw the earlier suggestions for the book, The Raw Gourmet.

> Is that a good book for beginners? I'd like something that gives

> info on the benefits of a raw diet as well as recipes. I have a 12

> year old son and a busy busy schedule so the recipes will need to

be

> something he'll eat and that are easy to prepare with easy to find

> ingredients.

>

> Thanks,

> Jane

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks for the high praise.

 

I might add that if you can crack the cooked food addiction,

the others will follow in short order.

 

Peter

 

Ps 1-1lb should have read 1-2lb.

 

 

Regina DeLuca [regdeluca]

29 August 2002 22:37

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Coffee Alternative / Book Suggestions

 

 

 

Good input Peter. I always enjoy reading your posts. Your

accomplishments amaze me! Lady Jane, this is great advice. The longer

I've been eating raw, the less I have cravings for junk. I do eat a bit

of cooked foods and I swear they increase cravings. They definitely zap

my energy.

Peter Gardiner

wrote:

 

In fact I have joined in the consensus that cooked food is the largest

addiction on the planet.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes, to your last question, Jane. The book really gives you a basic plan and

information that is every bit as good as any raw food information I've ever

read. Gives practical and delicious suggestions to simplify and

delicious-fy.....on the fly. She gives you plenty of encouragement on how to

" wing it' and not stick rigidly to a recipe or recipes. Really informative and

simple. Nice " shopping list " suggestions for an easy creative kitchen.

-

ladyjane_in_colorado

rawfood

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 2:04 PM

[Raw Food] Coffee Alternative / Book Suggestions

 

 

I've been trying to eat a more raw diet. I've been a vegetarian for

three years, but that doesn't mean I eat as healthy as I should...

after all, french fries and ice cream are vegetarian. :)I just bought

a juicer and have been enjoying that and I hope to go on a juice fast

soon. The reason why I haven't yet is coffee. That's my weakness.

I've given up smoking, drinking, and meat, so I've always allowed

myself to have my coffee. But I have mood swings, low energy, and

insomnia and I suspect a big part of it is caffeine. Can anyone

suggest a good, not too expensive, alternative? I heard of one

substitute that provides natural energy (Oasis AM) but it's pretty

costly ($14.95 for 20-30 servings). I've tried herbal teas in the

past and they weren't for me (not 'robust' enough, I guess). I'm

looking for something that will give me a natural energy burst

similar to what I get from coffee, without the caffeine and chemicals.

 

Also, I saw the earlier suggestions for the book, The Raw Gourmet.

Is that a good book for beginners? I'd like something that gives

info on the benefits of a raw diet as well as recipes. I have a 12

year old son and a busy busy schedule so the recipes will need to be

something he'll eat and that are easy to prepare with easy to find

ingredients.

 

Thanks,

Jane

 

 

 

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Good article about coffee by Frédéric Patenaude:

http://www.sunfood.net/jeaa/coffee.html

 

For me, an important thing to be able to stay away from coffee and other

stimulants is to be informed well about the true dangers and addictive

properties of those substances. Reading this article a couple of times (or

reading the book the article is about, " Caffeine Blues " by Stephen Cherniske)

should help to see that there is nothing good about drinking coffee: it drains

your vital energy, and it is addictive. All other stimulants that give you an

energy 'boost' also do not really give you energy.

I feel a need to 'boost' myself up after eating too much, especially fatty

foods. So, my suggestion for more energy would be:

1) eat light

2) have enough rest

and 3) like Peter wrote: eat enough greens for the alkaline minerals.

 

that in combination with enough exercise works well for me...

 

Wim

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Jane,

 

Just another thought about coffee. If I stop drinking it (usually due

to having gone through a horrible caffeine-detox-related migraine,

which I get now and then) I find it helps to increase my intake of

raw food (especially juicy fruits) immediately, as fruit gives me a

lift similar to (but nicer than) coffee.

 

If I give up coffee without increasing my intake of raw fruit, I tend

to crave it very badly (or I crave Coke or chocolate, neither of

which I drink or eat normally). If I eat fruit for breakfast after

having gone through a caffeine detox I feel refreshed and uplifted

and I don't crave coffee remotely as much. I have found sweet juicy

pears particularly good in this respect.

 

I'm not sure if you've given up coffee before but I've found if I go

cold turkey I get very sick - migraine, nausea, in bed for several

days, etc. Drinking *lots* of water while lessening coffee/tea intake

*slowly* is a better way to go for me. http://www.watercure2.com/ is

an interesting site (related to the work of Dr Fereydoon

Batmanghelidj). Interesting article slamming caffeine on that site

too. Have you read Stephen Cherniske's book 'Caffeine Blues'? Also a

very good reference book for people wanting to give up coffee.

 

Hope this helps a bit....

 

Rhoda-Mary

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I also like my coffee, esp. Lattes. I've been making lattes lately

with instant barley coffee. It's almost as good as coffee but

healthier. I put goat's milk and sukanat in it and is so good. I will

be trying Cafix now and see what I think of that.

 

Marlenerawfood, " ladyjane_in_colorado "

<ladyjane_in_colorado> wrote:

> I've been trying to eat a more raw diet. I've been a vegetarian

for

> three years, but that doesn't mean I eat as healthy as I should...

> after all, french fries and ice cream are vegetarian. :)I just

bought

> a juicer and have been enjoying that and I hope to go on a juice

fast

> soon. The reason why I haven't yet is coffee. That's my

weakness.

> I've given up smoking, drinking, and meat, so I've always allowed

> myself to have my coffee. But I have mood swings, low energy, and

> insomnia and I suspect a big part of it is caffeine. Can anyone

> suggest a good, not too expensive, alternative? I heard of one

> substitute that provides natural energy (Oasis AM) but it's pretty

> costly ($14.95 for 20-30 servings). I've tried herbal teas in the

> past and they weren't for me (not 'robust' enough, I guess). I'm

> looking for something that will give me a natural energy burst

> similar to what I get from coffee, without the caffeine and

chemicals.

>

> Also, I saw the earlier suggestions for the book, The Raw Gourmet.

> Is that a good book for beginners? I'd like something that gives

> info on the benefits of a raw diet as well as recipes. I have a 12

> year old son and a busy busy schedule so the recipes will need to

be

> something he'll eat and that are easy to prepare with easy to find

> ingredients.

>

> Thanks,

> Jane

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