To those who are in a medical mess

November 21, 2002

I'm so glad you posted this! I had been buying supposedly " fresh " olives at a

local market claiming they were freshly made, etc... After the second day &

eating about 6 of these things (large & marinated in olive oil & herbs), I began

to get a rash on the bottoms of my feet! Ohhhh! It was awful! About as big

around as half dollars...like hives & ITCH! Awful. So I stopped eating the

olives & the rash went away. I've been surprised at what is sold as " fresh " &

" natural " , etc.. & is loaded with preservatives & toxins.

I was buying a natural Sambal Oelek & was horrified to see it had nitrates &

sulfites in it after reading the tiny print. If I can't read a label or replant

it, or it's certified organic, I'll remain suspicious...

Thanks!

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Peter Gardiner

rawfood

Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:44 PM

[Raw Food] To those who are in a medical mess

Strange thought.

As I stepped into the raw food diet I was convinced that the olive had a

role to play in diet. After sloshing down that sacred oil, even pouring

it into a glass and drinking it on occasions, I have bucked off. Raw

Foodists of this forum were muttering about " How cold pressed is the oil

you are getting? " Thus I chopped olive oil out of my diet. Nevertheless

I ate a couple of kilos a week of low salt olives thinking that it was

obviously better to eat the olive raw than to eat its processed

derivative of the oil itself: silly me for far too long.

I feel as duped as David Wolfe did about cashew nuts, on the olive. I

read his magnificent chapter but he said nothing about European olives

served in Northern Europe as " Fresh " . Go to the right part of the world

and I have no doubt that ecstasy is at hand with the olive. But here in

northern Europe the fresh olives available are boiled or go through a

process of having boiling water thrown over them. That I believe having

read on the Net about ways of curing olives.

Cutting to the chase I have chopped Olives out of my diet and having

chopped out enough to insult any Standard American Diet, I feel fitter

than a fiddle. So many irritations have left me. In the last couple of

weeks, having chopped out the olive my blood circulation has made an

exponential improvement. Atherosclerosis brought me to eating raw in

the first place.

Three years ago I could feel pain in my legs walking to the end of the

block at 35 yards.

At that time I read the medical encouragement from the American Medical

Association that I could expect a 30% improvement in my situation, given

that I followed medical counsel and all sorts of advice. Having studied

mathematics 30% improvement sounded so depressing. My medic (Dr.Prof.)

recommended immediate surgery. I declined.

When I push hard I still feel a pain in my legs but I am moving at

several times the speed of three years ago. Plus my increasingly

" frugal " diet gives increasing health. Fresh juicy cabbage leaves for

lunch are so good when I can get them. Otherwise spinach is at its best

far superior to the boeuf bourgignon of past years which I then enjoyed

so much...

The only mammal that worries about getting variety in its diet is the

human. All others have that aspect under control. I find the more I

throw out the better. Put simply: Green and fresh with some fruit for

breakfast is sublime.

bye bye

Peter Gardiner

November 21, 2002

Great Post Peter,

I have wondered about the rawness of olives myself. I don't usually eat

them. The great thing with a 100% raw diet is that you can start to feel

immediately when something you eat is not right for you.

I'll give you some additional insight. I've been on a raw Fat Free diet

for 29 days. I have been functioning so much better than when I included

lots of raw fats as well. I have more energy and more mental clarity.

I'm getting much more done. I'm going to reintroduce fats slowly to my

diet in two days.

After this experiment I realize we were not meant to eat that much fat.

Fat is so darn hard to digest. We really don't need that much of it in

our diets.

I've heard of another interesting study. They gave college students

controlled amounts of protein on a daily basis. Everything was fine

until they reached 47 grams of protein in a day. Once that level was hit

they started leaching calcium and other alkalizing minerals from their

bones and spleen. No amount of vitamin supplementation or the eating of

additional fruits was able to stop this leaching once 47 grams of

protein were consumed. It turns out that ideal levels of protein for

human adults is around 25 grams per day. That is what I estimate is my

average daily protein intake.

I think we were meant to mostly eat fruits and vegetables with a

moderate amount of fats and proteins. It's such a great way to live. So

much energy, so much happiness. There are many days where I feel like an

11 on a scale of 1 to 10. I just feel so great I can't believe it.

So I'd suggest that you all try to decrease your fat intake. This also

happens to be Dr. Graham's position on the matter. He recommends 80%

carbohydrates, 10% protein and 10% fat. According to his lecture he said

we could probably do fine with about only 3% of fat in the diet. And the

protein probably only needs to be 5 to 10% but he added some extra to be

on the safe side.

Roger Haeske

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Peter Gardiner [petergardiner]

Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:45 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] To those who are in a medical mess

Strange thought.

As I stepped into the raw food diet I was convinced that the olive had a

role to play in diet. After sloshing down that sacred oil, even pouring

it into a glass and drinking it on occasions, I have bucked off. Raw

Foodists of this forum were muttering about " How cold pressed is the oil

you are getting? " Thus I chopped olive oil out of my diet. Nevertheless

I ate a couple of kilos a week of low salt olives thinking that it was

obviously better to eat the olive raw than to eat its processed

derivative of the oil itself: silly me for far too long.

I feel as duped as David Wolfe did about cashew nuts, on the olive. I

read his magnificent chapter but he said nothing about European olives

served in Northern Europe as " Fresh " . Go to the right part of the world

and I have no doubt that ecstasy is at hand with the olive. But here in

northern Europe the fresh olives available are boiled or go through a

process of having boiling water thrown over them. That I believe having

read on the Net about ways of curing olives.

Cutting to the chase I have chopped Olives out of my diet and having

chopped out enough to insult any Standard American Diet, I feel fitter

than a fiddle. So many irritations have left me. In the last couple of

weeks, having chopped out the olive my blood circulation has made an

exponential improvement. Atherosclerosis brought me to eating raw in

the first place.

Three years ago I could feel pain in my legs walking to the end of the

block at 35 yards.

At that time I read the medical encouragement from the American Medical

Association that I could expect a 30% improvement in my situation, given

that I followed medical counsel and all sorts of advice. Having studied

mathematics 30% improvement sounded so depressing. My medic (Dr.Prof.)

recommended immediate surgery. I declined.

When I push hard I still feel a pain in my legs but I am moving at

several times the speed of three years ago. Plus my increasingly

" frugal " diet gives increasing health. Fresh juicy cabbage leaves for

lunch are so good when I can get them. Otherwise spinach is at its best

far superior to the boeuf bourgignon of past years which I then enjoyed

so much...

The only mammal that worries about getting variety in its diet is the

human. All others have that aspect under control. I find the more I

throw out the better. Put simply: Green and fresh with some fruit for

breakfast is sublime.

bye bye

Peter Gardiner

November 22, 2002

Roger, Peter;

I agree any time I want to get that feeling ( " feeling like an 11 on a

scale of one to ten " ) I just cut down on fats and its there. The

problem is I live in avocado heaven, but you guys have inspired me.

Wow Roger, 29 days? That's great. I have had that feeling after

cutting down to about 3 avocadoes per week. I even think fat may be

addictive.

Doug

November 22, 2002

Thanks Roger and Doug,

What you both say encourages to slash my vegetable fat intake.

There are fats for sure in every vegetable and with the durian too.

With the odd garlic clove, date etc., we tend to get quite a bit and

probably enough without hot pursuit.

Given that the human digestive tract evolved in the Rift Valley or

other climes close the blood heat, the need for all these fats to

fight off cold was much lower. Of course when that tract went north,

the rot set in: cloths, cooked meat, antidotes and all the

paraphernalia

of modern civilisation.

In attempting to return to a natural diet, a sight of the lush food of

warmer climates rather than the hybrids of colder climes as in, for

example

an organic leak, might be more useful.

If we take the learned Dr. Graham's formula at 80% carbohydrate,

10% protein and 10 or less % fat, the road ahead seems as simple as

the Almighty intended it in the first place.

Upshot is that I am whacking up the green intake giving more attention

to freshness than to provenance.

Gardiner

Roger Haeske [roger]

Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:46 PM

rawfood

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