Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 I rarely see anything written about Spirulina's high B-12 content. Also I rarely see anything written about what B-12 supplements are made from - Richard Schulze says some of it is made from sewage sludge.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Jury's out regarding the absorbability of the B12 in Spirulina. The stomach digests it as food. This is the same reason B-12 supplements are taked either sub lingual or by injection. But if the GIT is healthy and has a resonable colony of bifudus bacteria then the body can manufacture B-12 in the small intestine. If you are a raw food vegetarian just take a few capsules of acidophilus/bifidus on an empty stomach and wash it down with lots of water, then eat a green leafy salad and the po biotics will colonize in the GIT, and you will get your B-12 in the most natural form. rusty - Wandering Poet <eulypian rawfood Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:24 PM [Raw Food] B-12 I rarely see anything written about Spirulina's high B-12 content. Also I rarely see anything written about what B-12 supplements are made from - Richard Schulze says some of it is made from sewage sludge.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 Hi Rusty, Do you have any advice for a raw vegan fruitarian? Thanks... - Rusty Thursday, February 20, 2003 5:08 PM Jury's out regarding the absorbability of the B12 in Spirulina. The stomach digests it as food. This is the same reason B-12 supplements are taked either sub lingual or by injection. But if the GIT is healthy and has a resonable colony of bifudus bacteria then the body can manufacture B-12 in the small intestine. If you are a raw food vegetarian just take a few capsules of acidophilus/bifidus on an empty stomach and wash it down with lots of water, then eat a green leafy salad and the po biotics will colonize in the GIT, and you will get your B-12 in the most natural form. rusty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2003 Report Share Posted February 22, 2003 This sounds like Ghandi's diet, fruit and seeds. His philosophy was to eat only food that was freely given, not hurting the plant. This same philosophy permits dairy because it is freely given but Ghandi stuck to fruit and seeds. This diet sounds adequate for those living a meditative life and not exposed to toxic air, thoughts or food, but for most of us, I'd add a few sprouted grains and legumes and some Vitamin and Mineral supplements. [grains are from the fruit of the plant and when sprouted they are not only raw but alive.] The basic that I can advise is ALA [Alpha Lipoic Acid], CoQ10, some Flax oil and 10 - 20 drops of liquid trace minerals daily. And I would really think about adding some green leafy vegetables to the mix if the fruitarian part of you permits it. And most definitely acidophilus/bifidus supplements but if you can't take gelatin caps just wash the powder down with water. rusty - Fruity Raw Vegan rawfood Friday, February 21, 2003 1:32 PM Re: [Raw Food] B-12 Hi Rusty, Do you have any advice for a raw vegan fruitarian? Thanks... - Rusty Thursday, February 20, 2003 5:08 PM Jury's out regarding the absorbability of the B12 in Spirulina. The stomach digests it as food. This is the same reason B-12 supplements are taked either sub lingual or by injection. But if the GIT is healthy and has a resonable colony of bifudus bacteria then the body can manufacture B-12 in the small intestine. If you are a raw food vegetarian just take a few capsules of acidophilus/bifidus on an empty stomach and wash it down with lots of water, then eat a green leafy salad and the po biotics will colonize in the GIT, and you will get your B-12 in the most natural form. rusty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 Well, thanks again, but my fruitarianism goes further than G.... i really only eat fruits, no seeds, for i consider them as potential lives, so i won't hurt them. i eat nuts sometimes if it is really necessary. i am active. and i live in the middle of a great polluted area... Paris! But at least, all the fruits i get are organic. Gee! what an idea - Rusty Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:14 PM This sounds like Ghandi's diet, fruit and seeds. His philosophy was to eat only food that was freely given, not hurting the plant. This same philosophy permits dairy because it is freely given but Ghandi stuck to fruit and seeds. This diet sounds adequate for those living a meditative life and not exposed to toxic air, thoughts or food, but for most of us, I'd add a few sprouted grains and legumes and some Vitamin and Mineral supplements. [grains are from the fruit of the plant and when sprouted they are not only raw but alive.] The basic that I can advise is ALA [Alpha Lipoic Acid], CoQ10, some Flax oil and 10 - 20 drops of liquid trace minerals daily. And I would really think about adding some green leafy vegetables to the mix if the fruitarian part of you permits it. And most definitely acidophilus/bifidus supplements but if you can't take gelatin caps just wash the powder down with water. rusty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 Gelatin caps are definitely not vegan, not even vegetarian. - Rusty rawfood Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:14 PM Re: [Raw Food] B-12 And most definitely acidophilus/bifidus supplements but if you can't take gelatin caps just wash the powder down with water. rusty - Fruity Raw Vegan rawfood Friday, February 21, 2003 1:32 PM Re: [Raw Food] B-12 Hi Rusty, Do you have any advice for a raw vegan fruitarian? Thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 That's one reason why the B-12 issue keeps coming up. Many of us do not have organic gardens to eat from every day and get additional B12. While I may have eaten dirt as a youth, I really have not interest at this time! Jeff >Sometimes we can't benefit from nature wholeness because we are not >wild anymore. If you don't take shower and don't wash your hands and >vegetables you eat, then you will not be b12 deficient. But living in >21 century we want to take shower every day and wash our food. And >since it washes away bacteria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Robert, Thanks for your post! I appreciate your thoroughness. > Our intestinal flora feed off the food we eat to create lots of viable >12 in our intestines which is readily absorbed in those people who are >reasonably healthy. I've heard/read that some say B-12 is produced in the lower intestines, yet absorbed in the upper intestines. It makes no sense to me that the body would produce a necessary nutrient, and then not be able to absorb it. > It would not make sense if nature required us >to use for our health a food that at the same time created our disease. Very true! >Medicine is comparable to a blind man searching for a >black cat in an pitch black room in which there is no cat. Any study done by >medicine can be expected to be very misleading. I like your analogy! >For example, they determine their " normal " levels of b12 on studies >made from everyday people eating a SAD diet. That's like trying to >determine what " normal " levels of alcohol are in humans by studying >levels of alcohol in alcoholics. Good reminder! ALL the " RDA's " have been established with subjects OTHER than people even remotely close to a natural (raw) diet. >Swamp water might be good in some respects, but a person can easily find >foods to eat that have no harmful effects. I guess I'll have to stop drinking my swamp water smoothies! >I thought I'd include it all for the possible benefit of others, and >for the purpose of keeping all things in perspective. I'm sure your thoughts help a lot of people on the list understand the issue better and certainly understand your perspective better. Thanks, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Hi Jeff, It's me again, Robert. Thanks for the nice laughs about the swamp water smoothies and others. Reminds me of the time back in the ol' prohibition days when the feds confiscated my beetle juice moonshine. Shore did some cussin then. Anyways, I just wanted to point out that the idea of b12 being produced only in the lower intestines is based on an inaccurate 20 year old study. The study has been repeatedly shown to be false since then. This point is mentioned in the article I gave a link for. That some people still use the study as part of an argument for b12 use is a testament to the time it takes for false ideas to find their way to the garbage bin. Everyone reads the front page, no one reads the back pages where errors from previous days are corrected. The bacteria that are located in the bowels are also found in the small intestine in equal numbers, producing all sorts of by-products, including b12. The bowel removes water from the feces which slows down and stops bacterial growth. The bacteria in our guts produce so much b12 that our feces have quite high levels of it, and in fact, water tests for fecal contamination use b12 levels as an indicator. I'm glad you enjoyed my perspectives, even as I lay no claim to nature's observed workings. Thanks again for the lighthearted seriousness Lookin forward to some swamp water brew next time we meet! Robert Jeff Rogers wrote: > Robert, > > Thanks for your post! I appreciate your thoroughness. > > > Our intestinal flora feed off the food we eat to create lots of viable > >12 in our intestines which is readily absorbed in those people who are > >reasonably healthy. > > I've heard/read that some say B-12 is produced in the lower > intestines, yet absorbed in the upper intestines. It makes no sense > to me that the body would produce a necessary nutrient, and then not > be able to absorb it. > > > It would not make sense if nature required us > >to use for our health a food that at the same time created our disease. > > Very true! > > >Medicine is comparable to a blind man searching for a > >black cat in an pitch black room in which there is no cat. Any study done by > >medicine can be expected to be very misleading. > > I like your analogy! > > >For example, they determine their " normal " levels of b12 on studies > >made from everyday people eating a SAD diet. That's like trying to > >determine what " normal " levels of alcohol are in humans by studying > >levels of alcohol in alcoholics. > > Good reminder! ALL the " RDA's " have been established with subjects > OTHER than people even remotely close to a natural (raw) diet. > > >Swamp water might be good in some respects, but a person can easily find > >foods to eat that have no harmful effects. > > I guess I'll have to stop drinking my swamp water smoothies! > > >I thought I'd include it all for the possible benefit of others, and > >for the purpose of keeping all things in perspective. > > I'm sure your thoughts help a lot of people on the list understand > the issue better and certainly understand your perspective better. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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