How to Reduce Insulin

February 24, 2003

One more thing. If you reduce the amount of fat in your

bloodstream you reduce the need for excessive insulin.

Apparently if the fat in the bloodstream is very low, then

the body needs either no or very little insulin to absorb

blood sugars.

Excessive insulin is bad and the best way to reduce it is

to stop eating so much fat. After a while you'll adjust to

not eating as much fat. You'll feel much better mentally and

emotionally. I think this information would also help Victor

with his high blood pressure.

We only need about 3% of our calories from fat. This can be

achieved by eating no fatty foods as there are enough fats

in raw fruits and vegetables to supply us with that amount

of fat. Celery can be up to 10% of calories from fat. Grapes

8%. It can be quite surprising how much fat there is in

these foods we don't associate fat to be in.

Roger Haeske

Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick

with it? Now you can learn the Motivational and Dietary

Secrets to success on a 100% Raw Food Diet. From Infinite

Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske, the author of

Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and

http://www.superbeing.com. Go to

http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn how to go 100% RAW.

February 24, 2003

>Excessive insulin is bad and the best way to reduce it is

to stop eating so much fat.

-

Hi Roger: Thanks for bringing the topic to the group.

Insulin resistance is behind more degenerative diseases that any other cause

by far.

While the connection exists between insulin resistance and fat, it' not so

much the dietary fat as the fat that the body converts from sugars. This is

what calls for the insulin and leads to insulin resistance.

High insulin is definitely BAD but the way to reduce insulin resistance is

not by reducing fat so much as reducing simple carbs which stimulate the

pancreas to produce insulin to convert the sugars to glycogen and then to

fat.

I'm Not implying it's caused from eating too many raw veggies but from

eating REFINED carbs with the fiber removed. (breads, pastas, all refined

flour products and of course sugars and honey).

If you want the full info, read these four pages by Doctors Mercola and

Rosedale completely:

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm

Dr. Mercola also promotes grass fed beef so if you find his opinion suspect

you may

prefer the medical book called, " Syndrome-X "

http://www.syndrome-x.com/

And on the topic of Fats, have you read Dr. Udo Erasmus', book, " Fats that

heal: Fats that Kill " ?

Until you read it. be careful of cutting out all fats. You don't want to

throw the baby out with the bathwater.

http://www.evergreen.ie/efas.htm

rusty

-

Roger Haeske

rawfood

Monday, February 24, 2003 1:38 PM

[Raw Food] How to Reduce Insulin

One more thing. If you reduce the amount of fat in your

bloodstream you reduce the need for excessive insulin.

Apparently if the fat in the bloodstream is very low, then

the body needs either no or very little insulin to absorb

blood sugars.

Excessive insulin is bad and the best way to reduce it is

to stop eating so much fat. After a while you'll adjust to

not eating as much fat. You'll feel much better mentally and

emotionally. I think this information would also help Victor

with his high blood pressure.

We only need about 3% of our calories from fat. This can be

achieved by eating no fatty foods as there are enough fats

in raw fruits and vegetables to supply us with that amount

of fat. Celery can be up to 10% of calories from fat. Grapes

8%. It can be quite surprising how much fat there is in

these foods we don't associate fat to be in.

Roger Haeske

February 25, 2003

Hello,

Roger said:

> One more thing. If you reduce the amount of fat in your

> bloodstream you reduce the need for excessive insulin.

Hello,

Coconut oil actually does not do this. Coconut oil is great for

diabetics. It doesn't excessively raise insulin and it gives you fast

energy because it has a kind of fat that is easily digested.

Adding this to my diet made a huge difference in my blood sugar highs

and lows. It raises my blood sugar when it is low, but not too much

and keeps it even-keeled.

I had a bad blood sugar problem before I found cococnut oil.

also From Raymond Peat PH.D.

" For those of us who use coconut oil consistently, one of the most

noticeable changes is the ability to go for several hours without

eating, and to feel hungry without having symptoms of hypoglycemia. "

Pete

rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote:

> One more thing. If you reduce the amount of fat in your

> bloodstream you reduce the need for excessive insulin.

> Apparently if the fat in the bloodstream is very low, then

> the body needs either no or very little insulin to absorb

> blood sugars.

>

> Excessive insulin is bad and the best way to reduce it is

> to stop eating so much fat. After a while you'll adjust to

> not eating as much fat. You'll feel much better mentally and

> emotionally. I think this information would also help Victor

> with his high blood pressure.

>

> We only need about 3% of our calories from fat. This can be

> achieved by eating no fatty foods as there are enough fats

> in raw fruits and vegetables to supply us with that amount

> of fat. Celery can be up to 10% of calories from fat. Grapes

> 8%. It can be quite surprising how much fat there is in

> these foods we don't associate fat to be in.

>

> Roger Haeske

>

> Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick

> with it? Now you can learn the Motivational and Dietary

> Secrets to success on a 100% Raw Food Diet. From Infinite

> Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske, the author of

> Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and

> http://www.superbeing.com. Go to

> http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn how to go 100% RAW.

February 25, 2003

Hi Rusty,

Yes I've read that stuff before from Dr. Rosedale. I've also read all

the bad things that eating sugar supposedly does. But this doesn't apply

when it comes to eating raw fruit in my opinion. Of over 100 problems

associated to eating sugar I may have experienced only one of them.

These findings would have to apply much more to grains and refined

sugars, than the sugars in fruit.

But I want to repeat. According to Dr. Graham's sources, insulin isn't

even needed to transport sugar across the cell wall if the fat in the

bloodstream is low. This means that you can eat sugar from fruit and the

body will not secrete insulin or minute amounts of insulin to process

that sugar. What I'm saying is I disagree with Dr. Mercola and Rosedale

on the sugar issue.

I have my own experiences as well to back up what Dr. Graham has said.

I've met three people who have cured their Candida on a low fat and high

fruit diet. Dr. Graham has helped many people get off of insulin

injections with his low fat raw food regimen.

If you're on a raw diet you have to choose between getting most of your

calories from fatty foods like avocado, nuts and seeds or from simple

carbohydrate sources from fruit or eating lots of both.

At least in my experience I've found that a high fat diet is not at all

ideal. That's also the opinion of hundreds of other doctors, researchers

and nutritionists around the world. Not say that they could sway me if I

disagreed with them.

One really has to be careful with too much fat in the diet IMO.

Yes fats are necessary. The question is how much fat do we really need.

I've found I operate at peak performance on very low levels of fat. I've

corresponded with other people on this board who feel the same.

Was at a David Wolfe talk tonight and I took lots of notes. I plan to

start putting up some emails containing the contents of what he spoke

about. It was a very interesting talk.

Roger Haeske

Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now

you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100%

Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske,

the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and

http://www.superbeing.com. Go to http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn

how to go 100% RAW.

Rusty [rustym]

Monday, February 24, 2003 5:43 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] How to Reduce Insulin

>Excessive insulin is bad and the best way to reduce it is

to stop eating so much fat.

-

Hi Roger: Thanks for bringing the topic to the group.

Insulin resistance is behind more degenerative diseases that any other

cause

by far.

While the connection exists between insulin resistance and fat, it' not

so

much the dietary fat as the fat that the body converts from sugars. This

is

what calls for the insulin and leads to insulin resistance.

High insulin is definitely BAD but the way to reduce insulin resistance

is

not by reducing fat so much as reducing simple carbs which stimulate the

pancreas to produce insulin to convert the sugars to glycogen and then

to

fat.

I'm Not implying it's caused from eating too many raw veggies but from

eating REFINED carbs with the fiber removed. (breads, pastas, all

refined

flour products and of course sugars and honey).

If you want the full info, read these four pages by Doctors Mercola and

Rosedale completely:

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm

Dr. Mercola also promotes grass fed beef so if you find his opinion

suspect

you may

prefer the medical book called, " Syndrome-X "

http://www.syndrome-x.com/

And on the topic of Fats, have you read Dr. Udo Erasmus', book, " Fats

that

heal: Fats that Kill " ?

Until you read it. be careful of cutting out all fats. You don't want to

throw the baby out with the bathwater.

http://www.evergreen.ie/efas.htm

rusty

-

Roger Haeske

rawfood

Monday, February 24, 2003 1:38 PM

[Raw Food] How to Reduce Insulin

One more thing. If you reduce the amount of fat in your

bloodstream you reduce the need for excessive insulin.

Apparently if the fat in the bloodstream is very low, then

the body needs either no or very little insulin to absorb

blood sugars.

Excessive insulin is bad and the best way to reduce it is

to stop eating so much fat. After a while you'll adjust to

not eating as much fat. You'll feel much better mentally and

emotionally. I think this information would also help Victor

with his high blood pressure.

We only need about 3% of our calories from fat. This can be

achieved by eating no fatty foods as there are enough fats

in raw fruits and vegetables to supply us with that amount

of fat. Celery can be up to 10% of calories from fat. Grapes

8%. It can be quite surprising how much fat there is in

these foods we don't associate fat to be in.

Roger Haeske

February 25, 2003

Thanks Roger and Rusti too.

I read Dr. Mercola last week when you suggested him but not carefully

enough. I then read on and finally landed on Linus therapy which gave me

the proline and lycine requirement.

On rereading this morning I see that Dr. Mercola would have me cut the

fruit and boost the vegetable intake. Fortunately this cold weather is

coming to an end which will make it easier. He talks about the value of

Omega fats but they come out of vegetables... ...so too does vitamin C.

Thus I will be on a diet that is close to the gorilla's.

If it works I will be truly amazed. I should get a result in six weeks

or so. I will let you know

Peter

Roger Haeske [roger]

24 February 2003 22:38

rawfood

[Raw Food] How to Reduce Insulin

One more thing. If you reduce the amount of fat in your

bloodstream you reduce the need for excessive insulin.

Apparently if the fat in the bloodstream is very low, then

the body needs either no or very little insulin to absorb

blood sugars.

Excessive insulin is bad and the best way to reduce it is

to stop eating so much fat. After a while you'll adjust to

not eating as much fat. You'll feel much better mentally and

emotionally. I think this information would also help Victor

with his high blood pressure.

We only need about 3% of our calories from fat. This can be

achieved by eating no fatty foods as there are enough fats

in raw fruits and vegetables to supply us with that amount

of fat. Celery can be up to 10% of calories from fat. Grapes

8%. It can be quite surprising how much fat there is in

these foods we don't associate fat to be in.

Roger Haeske

Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick

with it? Now you can learn the Motivational and Dietary

Secrets to success on a 100% Raw Food Diet. From Infinite

Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske, the author of

Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and

http://www.superbeing.com. Go to

http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn how to go 100% RAW.

February 25, 2003

> the value of

Omega fats but they come out of vegetables.

-

Fresh grownd flax seed is a great source of Omega 3 and fiber.

rusty

-

Peter Gardiner

rawfood

Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:02 AM

RE: [Raw Food] How to Reduce Insulin

Thanks Roger and Rusti too.

I read Dr. Mercola last week when you suggested him but not carefully

enough. I then read on and finally landed on Linus therapy which gave me

the proline and lycine requirement.

On rereading this morning I see that Dr. Mercola would have me cut the

fruit and boost the vegetable intake. Fortunately this cold weather is

coming to an end which will make it easier. He talks about the value of

Omega fats but they come out of vegetables... ...so too does vitamin C.

Thus I will be on a diet that is close to the gorilla's.

If it works I will be truly amazed. I should get a result in six weeks

or so. I will let you know

Peter

February 25, 2003

>But this doesn't apply

when it comes to eating raw fruit in my opinion.

_

And the Doctors agree. RAW fruit comes complete with the original fiber and

is a slow release.

-

>According to Dr. Graham's sources, insulin isn't

even needed to transport sugar across the cell wall if the fat in the

bloodstream is low. This means that you can eat sugar from fruit and the

body will not secrete insulin or minute amounts of insulin to process

that sugar.

-

Yes the sugar is drawn by osmosis across the cell wall and is burned as

glucose and in the absence of fats in the bloodstream for fuel the body

defaults to burning this sugar directly.

But that's not what we are talking about, the sugar that is burned. What we

are talking about is the excess dietary sugar that is not needed at the

moment. The Body cannot store it as such in the cells, it must be converted

to glycogen to store in the liver and muscles, and when the glycogen stores

are full the liver converts the excess glycogen to fat to be stored in the

cells.

When you eat that singular piece of raw fruit it's digestion rate is about

the same as the body's fuel reqirement and no inulin is called for in this

process. But if you drank a glass of that fruit's juice, the sugar hit is

so fast that the blood sugars would reach dangerouus levels unless the

pancreas secretes enough insulin to convert it to glycogen.

Dr. Graham's sources are correct about process but to leap to the conclucion

that Insulin Resistace is a fat rather than sugar problem is to confuse

sugars burned as fuel and EXCESS sugar which is NOT absorbd through the

cells walls and would give dangerous blood sugar levels if not converted by

insulin.

-

>These findings would have to apply much more to grains and refined

sugars, than the sugars in fruit.

-

Absolutely right, as the starch in the grains converts to sucrose which is

much more quickly assimilated than fructose and in addition the fiber in the

raw fruit slows down the release.

-

>What I'm saying is I disagree with Dr. Mercola and Rosedale

on the sugar issue.

-

Agreeing with Dr. Graham does not directlly lead to disagreeing with

Rosdale or Mercola. I disagee with Mercola on lots of issues but this seems

pretty straightforward.

Do you also disagree with Jack Challem, Burt Berkson, and Melissa Diane

Smith, the authors of syndrome-x?

http://www.syndrome-x.com/#who

>Was at a David Wolfe talk tonight and I took lots of notes. I plan to

start putting up some emails containing the contents of what he spoke

about. It was a very interesting talk.

-

Looking forward to it Roger.

rusty

-

Roger Haeske

rawfood

Monday, February 24, 2003 10:39 PM

RE: [Raw Food] How to Reduce Insulin

Hi Rusty,

Yes I've read that stuff before from Dr. Rosedale. I've also read all

the bad things that eating sugar supposedly does. But this doesn't apply

when it comes to eating raw fruit in my opinion. Of over 100 problems

associated to eating sugar I may have experienced only one of them.

These findings would have to apply much more to grains and refined

sugars, than the sugars in fruit.

But I want to repeat. According to Dr. Graham's sources, insulin isn't

even needed to transport sugar across the cell wall if the fat in the

bloodstream is low. This means that you can eat sugar from fruit and the

body will not secrete insulin or minute amounts of insulin to process

that sugar. What I'm saying is I disagree with Dr. Mercola and Rosedale

on the sugar issue.

I have my own experiences as well to back up what Dr. Graham has said.

I've met three people who have cured their Candida on a low fat and high

fruit diet. Dr. Graham has helped many people get off of insulin

injections with his low fat raw food regimen.

If you're on a raw diet you have to choose between getting most of your

calories from fatty foods like avocado, nuts and seeds or from simple

carbohydrate sources from fruit or eating lots of both.

At least in my experience I've found that a high fat diet is not at all

ideal. That's also the opinion of hundreds of other doctors, researchers

and nutritionists around the world. Not say that they could sway me if I

disagreed with them.

One really has to be careful with too much fat in the diet IMO.

Yes fats are necessary. The question is how much fat do we really need.

I've found I operate at peak performance on very low levels of fat. I've

corresponded with other people on this board who feel the same.

Was at a David Wolfe talk tonight and I took lots of notes. I plan to

start putting up some emails containing the contents of what he spoke

about. It was a very interesting talk.

Roger Haeske

February 26, 2003

Thanks Rusti,

Even before I became a raw foodist, when reading Dr. Robert Atkins, I

became convinced that insulin over-production was my problem. Such a

notion was echoed in other articles and books I had read too. Then I

wrote to this forum that I felt mixing sugar and fat was a bad idea.

There seemed some skepticism as to the validity my obviously amateur

deduction. Nobody seemed to be able to find had any scientific

foundation for my thesis. I simply kept away from mixing fat and sugar

even still do.

However now the consensus seems to be that sugar in fruit is not the

problem but rather the vegetable fats are the motor for insulin

production when evil forms of sugar have been removed from the diet.

Thus I will confine myself to the fat and sugar found in vegetables and

low sugar fruit and let that run for a bit.

Looking with a Paleolithic eye, we see that chimpanzees eye eat a lot of

fruit and will feast the odd monkey when he can. They have a frenetic

amount of energy and bounce all over the place at high speed with a lot

of shrieking to boot. By contrast man is by nature calmer, more along

the lines of a gorilla who eats a lot more vegetable than fruit. I

suspect that moving away from a heavily green diet has been the cause of

not just my arterial problem but for millions of others too. Certainly

what I have been eating with too many avocados and nuts coupled with a

lot of fruit has not yet cured my disease although there is considerable

improvement. I do not bounce around like a chimpanzee... Thus I am

inflecting my diet to dramatically reduce the intake of vegetable fat

still further. I will eat a only a small amount of low sugar fruit and

see what happens.

Peter

Rusty [rustym]

25 February 2003 17:13

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] How to Reduce Insulin

>But this doesn't apply

when it comes to eating raw fruit in my opinion.

_

And the Doctors agree. RAW fruit comes complete with the original fiber

and

is a slow release.

-

>According to Dr. Graham's sources, insulin isn't

even needed to transport sugar across the cell wall if the fat in the

bloodstream is low. This means that you can eat sugar from fruit and the

body will not secrete insulin or minute amounts of insulin to process

that sugar.

-

Yes the sugar is drawn by osmosis across the cell wall and is burned as

glucose and in the absence of fats in the bloodstream for fuel the body

defaults to burning this sugar directly.

But that's not what we are talking about, the sugar that is burned. What

we

are talking about is the excess dietary sugar that is not needed at the

moment. The Body cannot store it as such in the cells, it must be

converted

to glycogen to store in the liver and muscles, and when the glycogen

stores

are full the liver converts the excess glycogen to fat to be stored in

the

cells.

When you eat that singular piece of raw fruit it's digestion rate is

about

the same as the body's fuel reqirement and no inulin is called for in

this

process. But if you drank a glass of that fruit's juice, the sugar hit

is

so fast that the blood sugars would reach dangerouus levels unless the

pancreas secretes enough insulin to convert it to glycogen.

Dr. Graham's sources are correct about process but to leap to the

conclucion

that Insulin Resistace is a fat rather than sugar problem is to confuse

sugars burned as fuel and EXCESS sugar which is NOT absorbd through the

cells walls and would give dangerous blood sugar levels if not converted

by

insulin.

-

>These findings would have to apply much more to grains and refined

sugars, than the sugars in fruit.

-

Absolutely right, as the starch in the grains converts to sucrose which

is

much more quickly assimilated than fructose and in addition the fiber in

the

raw fruit slows down the release.

-

>What I'm saying is I disagree with Dr. Mercola and Rosedale

on the sugar issue.

-

Agreeing with Dr. Graham does not directlly lead to disagreeing with

Rosdale or Mercola. I disagee with Mercola on lots of issues but this

seems

pretty straightforward.

Do you also disagree with Jack Challem, Burt Berkson, and Melissa Diane

Smith, the authors of syndrome-x?

http://www.syndrome-x.com/#who

>Was at a David Wolfe talk tonight and I took lots of notes. I plan to

start putting up some emails containing the contents of what he spoke

about. It was a very interesting talk.

-

Looking forward to it Roger.

rusty

-

Roger Haeske

rawfood

Monday, February 24, 2003 10:39 PM

RE: [Raw Food] How to Reduce Insulin

Hi Rusty,

Yes I've read that stuff before from Dr. Rosedale. I've also read all

the bad things that eating sugar supposedly does. But this doesn't apply

when it comes to eating raw fruit in my opinion. Of over 100 problems

associated to eating sugar I may have experienced only one of them.

These findings would have to apply much more to grains and refined

sugars, than the sugars in fruit.

But I want to repeat. According to Dr. Graham's sources, insulin isn't

even needed to transport sugar across the cell wall if the fat in the

bloodstream is low. This means that you can eat sugar from fruit and the

body will not secrete insulin or minute amounts of insulin to process

that sugar. What I'm saying is I disagree with Dr. Mercola and Rosedale

on the sugar issue.

I have my own experiences as well to back up what Dr. Graham has said.

I've met three people who have cured their Candida on a low fat and high

fruit diet. Dr. Graham has helped many people get off of insulin

injections with his low fat raw food regimen.

If you're on a raw diet you have to choose between getting most of your

calories from fatty foods like avocado, nuts and seeds or from simple

carbohydrate sources from fruit or eating lots of both.

At least in my experience I've found that a high fat diet is not at all

ideal. That's also the opinion of hundreds of other doctors, researchers

and nutritionists around the world. Not say that they could sway me if I

disagreed with them.

One really has to be careful with too much fat in the diet IMO.

Yes fats are necessary. The question is how much fat do we really need.

I've found I operate at peak performance on very low levels of fat. I've

corresponded with other people on this board who feel the same.

Was at a David Wolfe talk tonight and I took lots of notes. I plan to

start putting up some emails containing the contents of what he spoke

about. It was a very interesting talk.

Roger Haeske

February 26, 2003

> do not bounce around like a chimpanzee...

-

On the other hand do you thump your breast bone and stimulate the thymus

gland several times a day. Tarzan learned that one:)

You're on to something but Id be careful of categorizing all vegetable fats

as the same or similar. Fats from some seeds and nuts are toxic but from

others such as flax they're life giving.

Insulin is called for to convert excess blood sugars to glycogen, other wise

the blood begins to clot and white blood cells clump and are ineffective and

destruction is close. It's a given in basic physics that the difference in

density of the blood outside the cell when fats are not present will

accelerate the intake of sugar to the cell by osmosis but it won't increase

it beyond it's rate of use.

What ever the mechanism for the utilization of Neceasary blood sugars to

feed the fuel requirements of the moment is not the reason insulin is

called. It's is stimulated by more blood sugar than the body can burn in

this moment. Releasing the sugar in a controlled way by eating a piece of

fruit does NOT call on Insulin. Only when your sugar intake exeeds the

body's need is insulin callled upon.

rusty

en reading Dr. Robert Atkins, I