Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 i have heard different things about wheat (mostly) as well as all other grains. Please share experiences or give opinions on the matter. Are humans meant to eat them? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Grains are bird food. You need a gizzard to digest it. Try reading David Wolfe, Dr. Douglas Graham, Frederic Patenaude and even Dr Mercola. I suspect there is but one mammal on the planet that eats grain unless forced by man to do so! Peter underthepynk [underthepynk] 20 April 2003 00:47 rawfood [Raw Food] grains i have heard different things about wheat (mostly) as well as all other grains. Please share experiences or give opinions on the matter. Are humans meant to eat them? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 >Are humans meant to eat them? - It's the old `processed', thing again. Grains, especially wheat, in a sprouted, raw form are great foods but ground into flour and baked into breads and pastries, the starches become quickly digestible and therefore the bread in effect is just like eating a sugar cube, calling upon the pancreas for an inulin hit and triggering allergic reactions. Sprouted wheat berries and wheat grass are wonderful health foods. Bread is not. ruasy - " underthepynk " <underthepynk <rawfood > Saturday, April 19, 2003 3:47 PM [Raw Food] grains > i have heard different things about wheat (mostly) as well as all > other grains. Please share experiences or give opinions on the > matter. Are humans meant to eat them? > > Thanks! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 > rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " wrote: > Mike, > You clearly have not read my previous message > about bird food in this forum. Would you like > me to let you have it again? > Peter Hello Peter, I read your message about grains being bird food, it is posted at rawfood/message/3949 I have also read Dr. Doug Graham's book " Grain Damage " . I do not agree with you or Dr. Graham on all the points you have brought up. I do not agree with you on your statement about grains, which is " There is nothing you can do to it that makes it suitable for human consumption. " I feel that Sally Fallon is correct when it comes to grains in her article: http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/be_kind.html I will continue to eat properly prepared grains, I eat them almost every day! I eat them soaked and sprouted, and I also eat then fermented or dehydrated. Sprouted grains are a great Tantric food. I have not experienced any negative effects from properly prepared grains. After reading " Grain Damage " I stopped eating grains for 5 months. After reading books written by Sally Fallon, Viktoras Kulvinskas, and Doug Morrison, I now include grains and I love them! Agmfoods.com is Grainfields. They sell amazing food that contains, among other ingredients, sprouted and fermented grains. For more information on AGM Foods, check out these articles: http://www.d-w-m.com/agm.htm http://www.grainfields.ca/brilliant-simplicity.shtml http://www.topica.com/lists/howweheal/read/message.html? mid=805282148 & sort=d & start=49 Sally Fallon, in the article above, writes that improperly prepared grains cause health problems that " show up not only as digestive problems, Crohn's disease and colitis, but also as the mental disorders associated with celiac disease " and " irritable bowel syndrome. " ... " a diet high in improperly prepared whole grains may lead to serious mineral deficiencies and bone loss. " ... " But many healthy societies consume products made from grains. " ... " Grains require careful preparation because they contain a number of antinutrients that can cause serious health problems. " ... .... " Proper preparation of grains is a kind and gentle process that imitates the process that occurs in nature. It involves soaking for a period in warm, acidulated water in the preparation of porridge, or long, slow sour dough fermentation in the making of bread. Such processes neutralize phytic acid and enzyme inhibitors. Vitamin content increases, particularly B vitamins. Tannins, complex sugars, gluten and other difficult-to-digest substances are partially broken down into simpler components that are more readily available for absorption. " ... " When grains are properly prepared through soaking, sprouting or sour leavening, the friendly bacteria of the microscopic world do some of our digesting for us in a container, just as these same lactobacilli do their work in the first and second stomachs of the herbivores. " ... .... " So the well-meaning advice of many nutritionists, to consume whole grains as our ancestors did and not refined flours and polished rice, can be misleading and harmful in its consequences; for while our ancestors ate whole grains, they did not consume them as presented in our modern cookbooks in the form of quick-rise breads, granolas, bran preparations and other hastily prepared casseroles and concoctions. Our ancestors, and virtually all pre-industrialized peoples, soaked or fermented their grains before making them into porridge, breads, cakes and casseroles. " ... .... " Bread can be the staff of life, but modern technology has turned our bread—even our whole grain bread—into a poison. " - Sally Fallon, author of " Nourishing Traditions: The Cookbook that Challenges Politically Correct Nutrition and the Diet Dictocrats " Mike > > > Mike [snyder68@h...] > 11 September 2003 20:59 > rawfood > Grains Re: [Raw Food] Help from Rusty. > > > > > rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " wrote: > > As said before grain is for birds. There is nothing you can do to it > > that makes it suitable for human consumption. > > Hello Peter, > > Grains are perfectly okay for humans to eat, IF they are prepared > properly. If they are not prepared properly, they will destroy ones > health. Check out these wonderful articles on the subject: > > http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/be_kind.html > " Be Kind To Your Grains and They Will Be Kind To You " By Sally Fallon > > http://www.agmfoods.com/diet_body/digestibility_grains.htm > http://www.d-w-m.com/agm.htm > http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/wheatyindiscretions.html > http://www.agmfoods.com/diet_body/bread_history.htm > http://www.agmfoods.com/diet_body/loafing_around.htm > http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/toxinstoast.html > http://www.grainfields.ca/brilliant-simplicity.shtml > (Grainfields food contains properly prepared grains) > http://www.topica.com/lists/howweheal/read/message.html? > mid=805282148 & sort=d & start=49 > > Properly prepared grains are the staff of life! > Enjoy the articles! > > Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 <<<<I will continue to eat properly prepared grains, I eat them almost every day! I eat them soaked and sprouted, and I also eat then fermented or dehydrated.>>>> <<<<< " Grains require careful preparation because they contain a number of antinutrients that can cause serious health problems.>>>>> I find the whole purpose of eating " raw " , is eating foods in their natural state without having to do anything to them. If a food has to be prepared, fermented or dehydrated, how natural would it be for us? It seems that is what got us into trouble in the first place trying to prepare foods that were not natural to our species. Vegigran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Mike, I concede that there is a place for wheatgrass in a raw diet or rather the juice from it. In addition I have tried sprouting wheat but gave up after two attempts. I started fermenting and both smelled and tasted as though it was ready for the kind action of putting it in the rubbish bin or on its way to becoming alcoholic. I had been to some trouble to find the grain too. Dare I say that the meat of Sally Fallons longish article is held in: " Proper preparation of grains is a kind and gentle process that imitates the process that occurs in nature. It involves soaking for a period in warm, acidulated water in the preparation of porridge, or long, slow sour dough fermentation in the making of bread " . I wonder where I went wrong. You are right to challenge my statement that there is nothing that can be done to grain that makes it suitable for human digestion. My statement was simply based upon the assumption that our primate ancestors did not have their digestive systems honed on carefully prepared grains. You may be blazing some new trail which we should all be following but you will have a hard time convincing me that eating this known poison of grain, however fermented, can be better than eating fresh fruit and vegetables. As for the biscuits and baked paraphernalia I see on the sites recommended to me be below... ...I even wonder why a person promoting such items even bothers coming to this forum. I am ignorant but I am not stupid. Please set me straight Peter Mike [snyder68] 12 September 2003 21:37 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Grains > rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " wrote: > Mike, > You clearly have not read my previous message > about bird food in this forum. Would you like > me to let you have it again? > Peter Hello Peter, I read your message about grains being bird food, it is posted at rawfood/message/3949 I have also read Dr. Doug Graham's book " Grain Damage " . I do not agree with you or Dr. Graham on all the points you have brought up. I do not agree with you on your statement about grains, which is " There is nothing you can do to it that makes it suitable for human consumption. " I feel that Sally Fallon is correct when it comes to grains in her article: http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/be_kind.html I will continue to eat properly prepared grains, I eat them almost every day! I eat them soaked and sprouted, and I also eat then fermented or dehydrated. Sprouted grains are a great Tantric food. I have not experienced any negative effects from properly prepared grains. After reading " Grain Damage " I stopped eating grains for 5 months. After reading books written by Sally Fallon, Viktoras Kulvinskas, and Doug Morrison, I now include grains and I love them! Agmfoods.com is Grainfields. They sell amazing food that contains, among other ingredients, sprouted and fermented grains. For more information on AGM Foods, check out these articles: http://www.d-w-m.com/agm.htm http://www.grainfields.ca/brilliant-simplicity.shtml http://www.topica.com/lists/howweheal/read/message.html? mid=805282148 & sort=d & start=49 Sally Fallon, in the article above, writes that improperly prepared grains cause health problems that " show up not only as digestive problems, Crohn's disease and colitis, but also as the mental disorders associated with celiac disease " and " irritable bowel syndrome. " ... " a diet high in improperly prepared whole grains may lead to serious mineral deficiencies and bone loss. " ... " But many healthy societies consume products made from grains. " ... " Grains require careful preparation because they contain a number of antinutrients that can cause serious health problems. " ... .... " Proper preparation of grains is a kind and gentle process that imitates the process that occurs in nature. It involves soaking for a period in warm, acidulated water in the preparation of porridge, or long, slow sour dough fermentation in the making of bread. Such processes neutralize phytic acid and enzyme inhibitors. Vitamin content increases, particularly B vitamins. Tannins, complex sugars, gluten and other difficult-to-digest substances are partially broken down into simpler components that are more readily available for absorption. " ... " When grains are properly prepared through soaking, sprouting or sour leavening, the friendly bacteria of the microscopic world do some of our digesting for us in a container, just as these same lactobacilli do their work in the first and second stomachs of the herbivores. " ... .... " So the well-meaning advice of many nutritionists, to consume whole grains as our ancestors did and not refined flours and polished rice, can be misleading and harmful in its consequences; for while our ancestors ate whole grains, they did not consume them as presented in our modern cookbooks in the form of quick-rise breads, granolas, bran preparations and other hastily prepared casseroles and concoctions. Our ancestors, and virtually all pre-industrialized peoples, soaked or fermented their grains before making them into porridge, breads, cakes and casseroles. " ... .... " Bread can be the staff of life, but modern technology has turned our bread-even our whole grain bread-into a poison. " - Sally Fallon, author of " Nourishing Traditions: The Cookbook that Challenges Politically Correct Nutrition and the Diet Dictocrats " Mike > > > Mike [snyder68@h...] > 11 September 2003 20:59 > rawfood > Grains Re: [Raw Food] Help from Rusty. > > > > > rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " wrote: > > As said before grain is for birds. There is nothing you can do to it > > that makes it suitable for human consumption. > > Hello Peter, > > Grains are perfectly okay for humans to eat, IF they are prepared > properly. If they are not prepared properly, they will destroy ones > health. Check out these wonderful articles on the subject: > > http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/be_kind.html > " Be Kind To Your Grains and They Will Be Kind To You " By Sally Fallon > > http://www.agmfoods.com/diet_body/digestibility_grains.htm > http://www.d-w-m.com/agm.htm > http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/wheatyindiscretions.html > http://www.agmfoods.com/diet_body/bread_history.htm > http://www.agmfoods.com/diet_body/loafing_around.htm > http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/toxinstoast.html > http://www.grainfields.ca/brilliant-simplicity.shtml > (Grainfields food contains properly prepared grains) > http://www.topica.com/lists/howweheal/read/message.html? > mid=805282148 & sort=d & start=49 > > Properly prepared grains are the staff of life! > Enjoy the articles! > > Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Well Peter and Mike-- I can't help but put in my two cents on the subject of grains. Grains are seeds! Yes, we eat seeds/grains in their raw state! Flax is a terrific example. It is a seed and it is also a grain. Right? Flax seed crackers anyone? Some raw seeds/grains are more eatable than others. The best and most superior way to eat seeds/grains seems to be good ol' SPROUTS so that the phytic (sp?) acid (which is coated on the seed to keep it from sprouting too easily, but also makes seeds/grains hard to digest and utilize properly) is no longer an issue. Another good way is to grind the seeds/grains. If I eat sunflower seeds without chewing well they pass through whole! Ground seeds/grains can be ground and somehow made palatable by incorporating them into a raw recipe. In the Standard American Diet (SAD) the overuse and abuse of grains has led to severely damaged digestive systems. Gluten, grain protein, (most commonly from wheat) is extremely hard to digest. This inability to digest gluten (grain protein) and casein (dairy protein) have been linked to the cause of autism, ADD and even possibly schizophrenia! I have decided to stick to raw veges and fruits for the bulk of my diet and eat only a handful of nuts and only a couple of teaspoons of seeds/grains each day. O.K. I'd like to hear what you guys think of this! Jenny Sequim, WA ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 Thank you peter, I read this and would certainly like to read Dr Doug Graham's book. Will have to look out for it. Love Shell. > rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " wrote: > Mike, > You clearly have not read my previous message > about bird food in this forum. Would you like > me to let you have it again? > Peter Hello Peter, I read your message about grains being bird food, it is posted at rawfood/message/3949 I have also read Dr. Doug Graham's book " Grain Damage " . I do not agree with you or Dr. Graham on all the points you have brought up. I do not agree with you on your statement about grains, which is " There is nothing you can do to it that makes it suitable for human consumption. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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