Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 One thing that attracts me (next to the health aspect) about the raw foods lifestyle is the fact that very little waste is produced and the lifestyle is quite ecological. Now what annoys me are these posts from people going " if it's not raw I'll throw it away " (Peter with his paw paws, Kathy with her olives etc). I think it's a crime to throw perfectly fine food away! Can't you give it to your non-raw friends or at least compost it? I never throw food away. If I can't eat something, my dog will, or otherwise I'll compost it. Also, I think there is a difference between food that's actually cooked and processed and food that is not 100% raw. I still eat olives from a jar and cashew nuts - I don't think they are un- natural. If something has to be warmed to get it out of its shell, fine. It's another thing to totally alter a food by cooking it in boiling water or a frying pan. That's where I draw the line. N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 N. Sorry to annoy you. I have not been throwing the paw paws away - just the pips. My question was aimed precisely at discovering the value of the pips to avoid that waste! Thus like you, I try to avoid waste. I think you need to understand the dimension of the biochemical changes that take place in food when heated. Then read what the gurus have to say about the value of putting such matter through digestion. Then I think you will see that our thinking is not so far apart. Peter nanna_mi [nanna_mi] 22 April 2003 08:05 rawfood [Raw Food] Wasting food - don't do it! One thing that attracts me (next to the health aspect) about the raw foods lifestyle is the fact that very little waste is produced and the lifestyle is quite ecological. Now what annoys me are these posts from people going " if it's not raw I'll throw it away " (Peter with his paw paws, Kathy with her olives etc). I think it's a crime to throw perfectly fine food away! Can't you give it to your non-raw friends or at least compost it? I never throw food away. If I can't eat something, my dog will, or otherwise I'll compost it. Also, I think there is a difference between food that's actually cooked and processed and food that is not 100% raw. I still eat olives from a jar and cashew nuts - I don't think they are un- natural. If something has to be warmed to get it out of its shell, fine. It's another thing to totally alter a food by cooking it in boiling water or a frying pan. That's where I draw the line. N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Ok Peter. To be honest I don't even know what a paw paw let alone a pip is so you're forgiven I understand the changes an item of food goes through when heated, even if it's only on the outside. I also read a lot about raw foodism. But - I can't be perfect, and I try to pick out the little things that I think have the least effect on the big picture and work out a way that I feel healthy and happy with. N. PS: Have you noticed that there is a lot of controversy amongst the " gurus " . Who do you trust? rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > N. > > Sorry to annoy you. I have not been throwing the paw paws away - just > the pips. My question was aimed precisely at discovering the value of > the pips to avoid that waste! Thus like you, I try to avoid waste. I > think you need to understand the dimension of the biochemical changes > that take place in food when heated. Then read what the gurus have to > say about the value of putting such matter through digestion. Then I > think you will see that our thinking is not so far apart. > > Peter > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 I don't know you, but I like you and agree with the way you think about eating some things that are not totally raw.....it will not hurt just do it moderately!Sharon nanna_mi <nanna_mi wrote:Ok Peter. To be honest I don't even know what a paw paw let alone a pip is so you're forgiven I understand the changes an item of food goes through when heated, even if it's only on the outside. I also read a lot about raw foodism. But - I can't be perfect, and I try to pick out the little things that I think have the least effect on the big picture and work out a way that I feel healthy and happy with. N. PS: Have you noticed that there is a lot of controversy amongst the " gurus " . Who do you trust? rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > N. > > Sorry to annoy you. I have not been throwing the paw paws away - just > the pips. My question was aimed precisely at discovering the value of > the pips to avoid that waste! Thus like you, I try to avoid waste. I > think you need to understand the dimension of the biochemical changes > that take place in food when heated. Then read what the gurus have to > say about the value of putting such matter through digestion. Then I > think you will see that our thinking is not so far apart. > > Peter > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 N. Lapsing lingers about. At first I think it matters little and even re-enforces the basic intention - later the complexion changes. When pulling out of a strong addiction I think the odd sniff helps the withdrawer to see the progress made. My list of past addictions includes nicotine, coffee, alcohol, cooked food and everything else except so-called hard drugs which failed to hook me in the first place. However later the lapsing can be much less and the results more punishing. Last week, I finished a mouthful of salmon thinking that some Omega 3 was unlikely to give trouble, just to find that the morning after, my gut ran liquid. The immediate thought was that something else must have been the cause, even though I eat badly washed food all the time and only on extremely rare occasions get such problems. Cooked food delivers me an immediate reaction the morning after almost any relapse by contrast. I suspect that cooked food interferes with the intestinal bacteria of longer term raw foodists in a manner which is different from those on the way out of old habits. On the upside the appeal of lapsing diminishes with the passage of time, hence the nagging temptation of lapsing subsides - it brings me back to my starting point that early lapsing is probably a good thing whilst later lapsing is outright stupidity. Hope this personal view helps Peter Sharon F [slf324] 23 April 2003 21:13 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Wasting food - don't do it! I don't know you, but I like you and agree with the way you think about eating some things that are not totally raw.....it will not hurt just do it moderately!Sharon nanna_mi <nanna_mi wrote:Ok Peter. To be honest I don't even know what a paw paw let alone a pip is so you're forgiven I understand the changes an item of food goes through when heated, even if it's only on the outside. I also read a lot about raw foodism. But - I can't be perfect, and I try to pick out the little things that I think have the least effect on the big picture and work out a way that I feel healthy and happy with. N. PS: Have you noticed that there is a lot of controversy amongst the " gurus " . Who do you trust? rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > N. > > Sorry to annoy you. I have not been throwing the paw paws away - just > the pips. My question was aimed precisely at discovering the value of > the pips to avoid that waste! Thus like you, I try to avoid waste. I > think you need to understand the dimension of the biochemical changes > that take place in food when heated. Then read what the gurus have to > say about the value of putting such matter through digestion. Then I > think you will see that our thinking is not so far apart. > > Peter > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 Hi Peter Thanks for sharing that. I agree that one has to be careful in 'lapsing', especially at a later and more advanced stage of raw eating. Yet, I'd like to make a difference between some food items. In my book _cooked_ food (boiled, fried or made in the oven) is really cooked and biochemically altered, and it can cause ill effects when one is used to a raw diet. But. Then there are small things like cashew nuts, olives in brine, or tahini for example, that I still include in my diet although I'm eating predominantly raw. I think that even though these things are somehow refined and treated, they are still close to their natural state and will not hurt me as much as a plate of porridge would. Do you get my point? It's a conscious choice I make, and who knows maybe later I'll drop these items as well. Again, I think it's important for each person to explore and find a suitable solution for yourself. Books and gurus don't know it all for the all of us. One expert says eat lots of fruit for the calories, another one says don't eat fruit and calories don't matter, yet another one says eat only one type of fruit, don't eat bananas, eat lots of bananas and so on. The controversy is endless, and you know why, I think? We can't know for sure. I don't think the mankind is wise enough to know the answers about nutrition and health. So I'll just keep on trying things, making this road to raw foodism as fun and as friendly to Mother Nature as possible. Just my personal view Nan rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > N. > > Lapsing lingers about. At first I think it matters little and even > re-enforces the basic intention - later the complexion changes. > > When pulling out of a strong addiction I think the odd sniff helps the > withdrawer to see the progress made. > My list of past addictions includes nicotine, coffee, alcohol, cooked > food and everything else except so-called hard drugs which failed to > hook me in the first place. > > However later the lapsing can be much less and the results more > punishing. Last week, I finished a mouthful of salmon thinking that some > Omega 3 was unlikely to give trouble, just to find that the morning > after, my gut ran liquid. The immediate thought was that something else > must have been the cause, even though I eat badly washed food all the > time and only on extremely rare occasions get such problems. Cooked > food delivers me an immediate reaction the morning after almost any > relapse by contrast. I suspect that cooked food interferes with the > intestinal bacteria of longer term raw foodists in a manner which is > different from those on the way out of old habits. On the upside the > appeal of lapsing diminishes with the passage of time, hence the nagging > temptation of lapsing subsides - it brings me back to my starting point > that early lapsing is probably a good thing whilst later lapsing is > outright stupidity. > > Hope this personal view helps > > Peter > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 Thanks Sharon for your kind words. Moderation and observation is the key indeed. Take care, Nan rawfood , Sharon F <slf324> wrote: > I don't know you, but I like you and agree with the way you think about eating some things that are not totally raw.....it will not hurt just do it moderately!Sharon > > nanna_mi <nanna_mi> wrote:Ok Peter. To be honest I don't even know what a paw paw let alone a > pip is so you're forgiven > > I understand the changes an item of food goes through when heated, > even if it's only on the outside. I also read a lot about raw > foodism. But - I can't be perfect, and I try to pick out the little > things that I think have the least effect on the big picture and work > out a way that I feel healthy and happy with. > > N. > PS: Have you noticed that there is a lot of controversy amongst > the " gurus " . Who do you trust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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