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I really enjoyed the food combining tips from NW Walker. I am pretty sure I

would never opt to have a colonic, however the rest of the article was most

useful to me.

 

About the protein supplementation question, Rogers comments about not using

Steve Arlin's Raw Power book caught my interest, as my husband strength

trains, and we use the recipes from this book once or twice a week to

satisfy his constant hunger to help his stamina, repair muscle tissue and

the like. I have struggled to find a way to help him be really satisfied on

the raw diet and so I have a follow up question to your solution to just

" eat more. "

 

When we eat more greens, both of us become very bloated and have huge bowel

movements afterwards. So, we started juicing most of our greens to get our

leafies minus the bloating. As an additional bit of info on our diet, we

adhere to Dr. Graham's recommended 80% carb from fruit/10% fat/10% protein

ratio as general guide, mono meals until evening when we are together as a

family (our child eats mono almost 100%). I eat/juice a lot of greens as was

recommended by a raw nutritional scientist (2 lbs a day)I met here in Texas

because I am breastfeeding my toddler.

 

The question is: What about juicing lots of greens as we do instead of

eating them? Frederic Patenaude, to whom I refer to much, feels this is a

toxic practice in his book Raw Secrets. And we have been juicing an hour

after having a bowl of however many veggies we wish such as radishes,

cucumbers, celery, tomatoes and avocados.

 

The Raw Power book and Dr. Graham's High Energy Diet Recipe Guide are my two

main references for our evening meal if I make one. For now, I have decided

not to have any breakfast & lunch times and just fend for ourselves when we

are hungry with plenty of fresh fruits around.

 

Thanks for the Matthew Grace website. His will be the next book I read on

raw for our family's benefit. I have not looked into anything for my child

but if anyone feels there is some important reference for her, I most

certainly will pick it up. She is 2 years old, still nursing, and will

continue this for as many years as she wishes. She can eat a bowl of salad

greens easily, avocados and fruits no problem, rotating her preferences

regularly. She will not accept any juice and we let her eat as she pleases

(except for dried fruits, which I have a " that's enough " point). With this,

I am comfortable.

 

Thanks, and looking forward to any comments.

 

Miko

 

 

 

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About the protein supplementation question, Rogers comments about not

using

Steve Arlin's Raw Power book caught my interest, as my husband strength

trains, and we use the recipes from this book once or twice a week to

satisfy his constant hunger to help his stamina, repair muscle tissue

and

the like. I have struggled to find a way to help him be really satisfied

on

the raw diet and so I have a follow up question to your solution to just

 

" eat more. "

+++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

I've found that if I am still hungry a salad just won't do it. I have to

have eaten enough fruit or enough fatty food to get the calories I need.

For the most part I stay away from the fatty foods if I want to have the

most energy possible. Digesting lots of fat takes away most of my

energy. This doesn't happen eating fruit.

 

When you eat more raw fruits and vegetables you are naturally eating

more protein or amino acids. This is what I mean by just eating more.

You have all the nutrients to build your muscles if you simply get

enough calories from a variety of fruits and vegetables. Has anyone ever

met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't.

 

On a high fruit diet I can gain muscle better because I sometimes do two

workouts in a day. I have so much energy that I want to work out more.

My muscles are bigger now than they have ever been, but that is simply

because I am working out harder.

 

The main key is the workout and not how much protein you eat. Protein

comes with too much fat attached to it. Fat is a killer of athletic

performance. So we only need as much protein as we need. An excess will

not make our muscles bigger. Our body recycles most of our protein

anyway. In reality one of last questions people need to ask is, " Where

do you get your protein? "

 

Humans have very low requirements for protein compared to other animals.

We also have very low fat requirements. If you are eating a 100% raw

food diet with variety you're getting all the essential fatty acids. You

don't have to eat fish to get omega 3's. It's in the fruits and

vegetables. I suspect that all of our nutrient needs are in fresh, ripe,

raw and organic fruits and vegetables. Nuts and seeds should be eaten

with moderation.

 

So if you're hubby is still hungry he should eat more fruit if you are

following Dr. Graham's program. Make sure to give plenty of time to

digest a salad before eating another fruit meal. Wait at least an hour

if you want best results. I've found a salad will screw up digestion of

fruits. Fruit should for the most part be eaten on an empty stomach.

 

Roger

 

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" Has anyone ever

met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. "

 

Roger, how would you go about recognizing someone with/without a protein

deficiency?

 

Regards,

Jess

 

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" Roger Haeske " <roger

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Monday, May 05, 2003 11:16 AM

RE: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

 

 

> About the protein supplementation question, Rogers comments about not

> using

> Steve Arlin's Raw Power book caught my interest, as my husband strength

> trains, and we use the recipes from this book once or twice a week to

> satisfy his constant hunger to help his stamina, repair muscle tissue

> and

> the like. I have struggled to find a way to help him be really satisfied

> on

> the raw diet and so I have a follow up question to your solution to just

>

> " eat more. "

> +++++++++++++++++++++++++

>

> I've found that if I am still hungry a salad just won't do it. I have to

> have eaten enough fruit or enough fatty food to get the calories I need.

> For the most part I stay away from the fatty foods if I want to have the

> most energy possible. Digesting lots of fat takes away most of my

> energy. This doesn't happen eating fruit.

>

> When you eat more raw fruits and vegetables you are naturally eating

> more protein or amino acids. This is what I mean by just eating more.

> You have all the nutrients to build your muscles if you simply get

> enough calories from a variety of fruits and vegetables. Has anyone ever

> met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't.

 

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" Has anyone ever

met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. "

 

Roger, how would you go about recognizing someone with/without a protein

deficiency?

[RH]

I don't know because it seems to be extremely rare. The real problem is

getting too much protein. Almost everyone on an SAD has way too much

protein in their diet.

 

Roger

 

Regards,

Jess

 

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" Roger Haeske " <roger

<rawfood >

Monday, May 05, 2003 11:16 AM

RE: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

 

 

> About the protein supplementation question, Rogers comments about not

> using

> Steve Arlin's Raw Power book caught my interest, as my husband

strength

> trains, and we use the recipes from this book once or twice a week to

> satisfy his constant hunger to help his stamina, repair muscle tissue

> and

> the like. I have struggled to find a way to help him be really

satisfied

> on

> the raw diet and so I have a follow up question to your solution to

just

>

> " eat more. "

> +++++++++++++++++++++++++

>

> I've found that if I am still hungry a salad just won't do it. I have

to

> have eaten enough fruit or enough fatty food to get the calories I

need.

> For the most part I stay away from the fatty foods if I want to have

the

> most energy possible. Digesting lots of fat takes away most of my

> energy. This doesn't happen eating fruit.

>

> When you eat more raw fruits and vegetables you are naturally eating

> more protein or amino acids. This is what I mean by just eating more.

> You have all the nutrients to build your muscles if you simply get

> enough calories from a variety of fruits and vegetables. Has anyone

ever

> met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't.

 

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I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be

totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly

processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision

it happening.

 

 

rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote:

>

> " Has anyone ever

> met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. "

>

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rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote:

 

> So if you're hubby is still hungry he should eat more fruit if you are

> following Dr. Graham's program. Make sure to give plenty of time to

> digest a salad before eating another fruit meal. Wait at least an hour

> if you want best results. I've found a salad will screw up digestion of

> fruits. Fruit should for the most part be eaten on an empty stomach.

>

> Roger

 

I am ready to try this " more fruit " approach to satisfy my hubby. Many

thanks, and it's much easier than me putting together a special (Raw

Power) recipe, anyhow.:) Seriously, your advice has helped me remember

that I am really convicted about Dr. Grahams' ideals for health, and

your opinions do reflect them.

 

A question: If a salad will screw up digestion of fruits, why does

doing it the other way around seem to be fine? I do this myself,

eating fruits before preparing salad and I feel okay.

 

Another question: In the evening, when you recommend waiting to have

more fruit, do you mean having a few bananas? Fatty fruits like

avocado? Or non-sweet fruits, like red bell peppers? I am often

confused when authors speak of eating fruits and the use of this term

to incorporate foods like cucumbers, avocados, olives and so on. So, I

just would like you to clarify as to what you mean by eating more

fruit, especially in the evening.

 

Miko

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I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did Dr.

Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a result

of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also was quite

gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox, weight

loss, and the infamous " protein deficiencies almost never occur unless you

don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein deficiency

even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not eat

enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake anymore.. I have

cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =) now I'm

working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating again so as

not to end up infertile!

 

Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're doing, and

always listen to your instinct over other people's advice or " knowledge " ..

 

 

 

> " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie

>rawfood

>rawfood

>Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

>Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000

>

>I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be

>totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly

>processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision

>it happening.

>

>

>rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote:

> >

> > " Has anyone ever

> > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. "

> >

>

 

 

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Well, where are you getting your protein from now?

 

Regards,

Jess

 

 

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" Jackie North " <vegchick86

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Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:24 AM

Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

 

 

> I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did Dr.

> Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a result

> of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also was quite

> gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox, weight

> loss, and the infamous " protein deficiencies almost never occur unless you

> don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein deficiency

> even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not eat

> enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake anymore.. I

have

> cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =) now I'm

> working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating again so

as

> not to end up infertile!

>

> Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're doing, and

> always listen to your instinct over other people's advice or " knowledge " ..

>

>

>

> > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie

> >rawfood

> >rawfood

> >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

> >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000

> >

> >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be

> >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly

> >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision

> >it happening.

> >

> >

> >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > > " Has anyone ever

> > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. "

> > >

> >

>

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Monday, May 05, 2003 10:16 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

 

rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote:

 

> So if you're hubby is still hungry he should eat more fruit if you are

> following Dr. Graham's program. Make sure to give plenty of time to

> digest a salad before eating another fruit meal. Wait at least an hour

> if you want best results. I've found a salad will screw up digestion

of

> fruits. Fruit should for the most part be eaten on an empty stomach.

>

> Roger

 

I am ready to try this " more fruit " approach to satisfy my hubby. Many

thanks, and it's much easier than me putting together a special (Raw

Power) recipe, anyhow.:) Seriously, your advice has helped me remember

that I am really convicted about Dr. Grahams' ideals for health, and

your opinions do reflect them.

 

A question: If a salad will screw up digestion of fruits, why does

doing it the other way around seem to be fine? I do this myself,

eating fruits before preparing salad and I feel okay.

 

Another question: In the evening, when you recommend waiting to have

more fruit, do you mean having a few bananas? Fatty fruits like

avocado? Or non-sweet fruits, like red bell peppers? I am often

confused when authors speak of eating fruits and the use of this term

to incorporate foods like cucumbers, avocados, olives and so on. So, I

just would like you to clarify as to what you mean by eating more

fruit, especially in the evening.

 

Miko

[RH]

Yes what is fruit can be a bit confusing. Again if you follow the

80/10/10 program then you'd probably want more sweet fruit.

 

The problem with say tomatoes, or cucumber is that they are very low in

calories. I find them about as satisfying as water. (One can feel full

even on water, but eventually you are going to need some fuel and you'll

feel hungry.)

 

Avocados will make you full and I do eat them with salads. But this is a

fatty fruit. If I eat this with my salad then I better not have any

sweet fruit the rest of the evening.

 

So what I meant was sweet fruit after you have digested the salad if you

are still hungry. Eat as much sweet fruit as you crave.

 

Sweet fruit digests much quicker than salads and that is why you should

eat them first or on an empty stomach.

 

Roger

 

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Quinoa is high in protein. Just soak it in pure water and eat. I love

adding some spices to it and it tastes wonderful. Not all grains need

to be cooked in order to eat it.

 

rawfood , studio53 <studio53@o...> wrote:

> Well, where are you getting your protein from now?

>

> Regards,

> Jess

>

>

> -

> " Jackie North " <vegchick86@h...>

> <rawfood >

> Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:24 AM

> Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

>

>

> > I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did

Dr.

> > Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with

a result

> > of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also

was quite

> > gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about

detox, weight

> > loss, and the infamous " protein deficiencies almost never occur

unless you

> > don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein

deficiency

> > even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to

not eat

> > enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake

anymore.. I

> have

> > cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =)

now I'm

> > working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating

again so

> as

> > not to end up infertile!

> >

> > Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're

doing, and

> > always listen to your instinct over other people's advice

or " knowledge " ..

> >

> >

> >

> > > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie>

> > >rawfood

> > >rawfood

> > >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

> > >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000

> > >

> > >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to

be

> > >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of

mostly

> > >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could

envision

> > >it happening.

> > >

> > >

> > >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " Has anyone ever

> > > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck

haven't. "

> > > >

> > >

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In addition, we can also take alfalfa or nettle extracts for

nutrition. I know that I don't eat enough for my nutrition and need

to take these herbal extracts.

 

rawfood , studio53 <studio53@o...> wrote:

> Well, where are you getting your protein from now?

>

> Regards,

> Jess

>

>

> -

> " Jackie North " <vegchick86@h...>

> <rawfood >

> Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:24 AM

> Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

>

>

> > I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did

Dr.

> > Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with

a result

> > of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also

was quite

> > gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about

detox, weight

> > loss, and the infamous " protein deficiencies almost never occur

unless you

> > don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein

deficiency

> > even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to

not eat

> > enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake

anymore.. I

> have

> > cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =)

now I'm

> > working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating

again so

> as

> > not to end up infertile!

> >

> > Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're

doing, and

> > always listen to your instinct over other people's advice

or " knowledge " ..

> >

> >

> >

> > > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie>

> > >rawfood

> > >rawfood

> > >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

> > >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000

> > >

> > >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to

be

> > >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of

mostly

> > >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could

envision

> > >it happening.

> > >

> > >

> > >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " Has anyone ever

> > > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck

haven't. "

> > > >

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Quinola is grain based. A balanced protein would be 3 parts grain and 2

parts legumes or nuts. Adding some bean sprouts or nuts to the quinola

would bring it into balance, but the quinola is starchy too and could add

some insulin bump if too much is eaten at one serving.

rusty

 

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Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:23 AM

Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

 

 

> Quinoa is high in protein. Just soak it in pure water and eat. I love

> adding some spices to it and it tastes wonderful. Not all grains need

> to be cooked in order to eat it.

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Nutritional Data for 100 grams of QUINOA

Mean value per 100.00 grams edible part; 0.0% refuse

Portions: 1/2 CUP = 85.00 gm, 1 CUP = 170.00 gm

14.5% Cals from fat, 14.9% Cals from protein, 70.6% Cals from carbs.

 

 

Name Unit Amount

Food energy KCal: 374.000

Protein Gms : 13.100

Total lipid (fat) Gms : 5.800

Carbohydrate, by diff. Gms : 68.900

Total saturated fat Gms : 0.590

Ttl monounsaturated fat Gms : 1.535

Ttl polyunsaturated fat Gms : 2.347

Cholesterol Mg : 0.000

Sodium Mg : 21.000

Total dietary fiber Gms : 5.900

Vitamin A Re : 0.000

Vitamin A IU : 0.000

Ascorbic acid Mg : 0.000

Thiamin Mg : 0.198

Riboflavin Mg : 0.396

Niacin Mg : 2.930

Vitamin B6 Mg : 0.223

Folacin Mcg : 49.000

Vitamin B12 Mcg : 0.000

Potassium Mg : 740.000

Calcium Mg : 60.000

Phosphorus Mg : 410.000

Magnesium Mg : 210.000

Iron Mg : 9.250

Zinc Mg : 3.300

Pantothenic acid Mg : 1.047

Copper Mg : 0.820

Manganese Mg : 2.260

Ash Gms : 2.900

Water Gms : 9.300

Food energy KJ : 1567.000

Palmitic acid (16:0) Gms : 0.541

Stearic acid (18:0) Gms : 0.049

Palmitoleic acid(16:1) Gms : 0.010

Oleic acid (18:1) Gms : 1.525

Linoleic acid (18:2/n6) Gms : 2.214

Linolenic acid(18:3/n3) Gms : 0.133

Histidine Gms : 0.314

Isoleucine Gms : 0.472

Leucine Gms : 0.786

Lysine Gms : 0.734

Methionine Gms : 0.262

Methionine+Cystine Gms : 0.262

Phenylalanine Gms : 0.537

Tyrosine Gms : 0.367

Phenylalanine+Tyrosine Gms : 0.904

Threonine Gms : 0.459

Valine Gms : 0.589

Arginine Gms : 0.918

Alanine Gms : 0.616

Aspartic acid Gms : 0.956

Glutamic acid Gms : 1.559

Glycine Gms : 0.681

@Y: 0.407

Serine Gms : 0.484

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Jackie; Wild female animals and raw food women do not menstruate.

Cessation of menstruation through raw foods is a sign of health and

not a sign of any kind of deficiency. The only way you can become

infertile is to continue to eat cooked food. It will happen during

menopause, raw women do not go through menopause, and therefore

remain fertile indefinitely. Protein in excess of 2% of our diet is

dangerous and is the only cause of cancer. The eating of fruits and

green leafy vegetables has the perfect amount of protein. Please read

this article; http://www.justeatanapple.com/nuts_and_seeds.html I

would also like to email you, and anyone else who is interested an

excerpt from " Survival Into The 21st Century " by Viktoras Kulvinskas

which talks about menstruation and raw women. This is a large file

and I do not want to send it without your permission.

 

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rawfood , " Jackie North " <vegchick86@h...>

wrote:

> I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did

Dr.

> Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a

result

> of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also

was quite

> gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox,

weight

> loss, and the infamous protein deficiencies almost never occur

unless you

> don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein

deficiency

> even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not

eat

> enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake

anymore.. I have

> cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =)

now I'm

> working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating

again so as

> not to end up infertile!

>

> Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're

doing, and

> always listen to your instinct over other people's advice

or " knowledge " ..

>

>

>

> > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie>

> >rawfood

> >rawfood

> >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

> >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000

> >

> >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be

> >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly

> >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision

> >it happening.

> >

> >

> >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > > " Has anyone ever

> > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. "

> > >

> >

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Hello all.

I haven't yet introduced myself properly to the group, but I hope that won't

prohibit me from requesting a copy of the file you are talking about, Doug.

I've noticed that when a woman's period stops as a side effect of birth control,

its usually considered no big deal or even a good, beneficial side effect. Yet,

when this occurs as a result of diet its considered a problem. I'd like to know

the facts. Allan

 

kauguy <no_reply > wrote:Jackie; Wild female animals and raw food

women do not menstruate.

Cessation of menstruation through raw foods is a sign of health and

not a sign of any kind of deficiency. The only way you can become

infertile is to continue to eat cooked food. It will happen during

menopause, raw women do not go through menopause, and therefore

remain fertile indefinitely. Protein in excess of 2% of our diet is

dangerous and is the only cause of cancer. The eating of fruits and

green leafy vegetables has the perfect amount of protein. Please read

this article; http://www.justeatanapple.com/nuts_and_seeds.html I

would also like to email you, and anyone else who is interested an

excerpt from " Survival Into The 21st Century " by Viktoras Kulvinskas

which talks about menstruation and raw women. This is a large file

and I do not want to send it without your permission.

 

Doug

 

 

 

rawfood , " Jackie North " <vegchick86@h...>

wrote:

> I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did

Dr.

> Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a

result

> of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also

was quite

> gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox,

weight

> loss, and the infamous protein deficiencies almost never occur

unless you

> don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein

deficiency

> even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not

eat

> enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake

anymore.. I have

> cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =)

now I'm

> working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating

again so as

> not to end up infertile!

>

> Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're

doing, and

> always listen to your instinct over other people's advice

or " knowledge " ..

>

>

>

> > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie>

> >rawfood

> >rawfood

> >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

> >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000

> >

> >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be

> >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly

> >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision

> >it happening.

> >

> >

> >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > > " Has anyone ever

> > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. "

> > >

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On Sat, 10 May 2003, kauguy wrote:

 

> Jackie; Wild female animals and raw food women do not menstruate.

> Cessation of menstruation through raw foods is a sign of health and

> not a sign of any kind of deficiency. The only way you can become

> infertile is to continue to eat cooked food. It will happen during

> menopause, raw women do not go through menopause, and therefore

 

> remain fertile indefinitely. Protein in excess of 2% of our diet is

> dangerous and is the only cause of cancer.

 

There are a LOT of other carcinogens besides protein.

 

I'm extremely interested in the question of fertility, but unfortunately,

I don't feel that I can trust what you say after your " only cause of

cancer " remark.

 

Even so, I'm interested in your thoughts on fertility. Would be happy

to read Viktoras Kulvinska's thoughts. Please send 'em along.

 

Concerned about credibility of arguments used to support raw foods,

(and also interested in pursuing the questions of whether not menstruating

is safe, and whether fertility never ends in raw women, as I'm 41 and

childless),

 

Margie

 

 

The eating of fruits and > green leafy vegetables has the perfect amount

of protein. Please read

> this article; http://www.justeatanapple.com/nuts_and_seeds.html I

> would also like to email you, and anyone else who is interested an

> excerpt from " Survival Into The 21st Century " by Viktoras Kulvinskas

> which talks about menstruation and raw women. This is a large file

> and I do not want to send it without your permission.

>

> Doug

>

>

>

> rawfood , " Jackie North " <vegchick86@h...>

> wrote:

> > I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did

> Dr.

> > Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a

> result

> > of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also

> was quite

> > gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox,

> weight

> > loss, and the infamous protein deficiencies almost never occur

> unless you

> > don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein

> deficiency

> > even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not

> eat

> > enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake

> anymore.. I have

> > cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =)

> now I'm

> > working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating

> again so as

> > not to end up infertile!

> >

> > Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're

> doing, and

> > always listen to your instinct over other people's advice

> or " knowledge " ..

> >

> >

> >

> > > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie>

> > >rawfood

> > >rawfood

> > >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

> > >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000

> > >

> > >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be

> > >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly

> > >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision

> > >it happening.

> > >

> > >

> > >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " Has anyone ever

> > > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. "

> > > >

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<< I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did Dr. Grahams program for a

while, but became extremely unbalanced with a result of candida and

multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. >>

 

I had similar problems. YOu can get protein deficincies on the raw

vegan diet, especially if your body is not healthy enough to

manufature its own " non-essetial " amino acids like taurine and

proline.

After 3 years on the raw vegan dit, I have deficiencies of several

amino acids...especially taurine, proline, and possibly some other

amino acids like methionine.

I suffered from multiple chem sensitivies, weakness, low hormones (my

choloesterol was almost zero), poor moods, etc.

I was also defieicnet in several B vit's. I added 2-3 egg yolks to my

diet each day and some taurine supplemts and B vitamins and my health

and strength has come back. I still eat 100% raw and eat the same as

before (pretty much like David Wolfe but with more fruit.)

 

Pete

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I forgot to mention I also was deficient in tyrosine...necessary for

dopamine production.

 

rawfood , alreadyherenow <no_reply> wrote:

> << I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did Dr. Grahams program for a

> while, but became extremely unbalanced with a result of candida and

> multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. >>

>

> I had similar problems. YOu can get protein deficincies on the raw

> vegan diet, especially if your body is not healthy enough to

> manufature its own " non-essetial " amino acids like taurine and

> proline.

> After 3 years on the raw vegan dit, I have deficiencies of several

> amino acids...especially taurine, proline, and possibly some other

> amino acids like methionine.

> I suffered from multiple chem sensitivies, weakness, low hormones

(my

> choloesterol was almost zero), poor moods, etc.

> I was also defieicnet in several B vit's. I added 2-3 egg yolks to

my

> diet each day and some taurine supplemts and B vitamins and my

health

> and strength has come back. I still eat 100% raw and eat the same

as

> before (pretty much like David Wolfe but with more fruit.)

>

> Pete

> >

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> I forgot to mention I also was deficient in tyrosine...necessary for

> dopamine production.

 

How did you determine what you were deficient in? Any leads for further

info on testing for amino acid, protein, and/or mineral deficiencies?

 

(And why don't doctors routinely test for this sort of thing?)

 

Best,

 

Margie

 

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Hi, Margie...... " doctors " don't work for their patients.....they work for

the pharmaceutical giants. As soon as they can discover a new deficiency or

symptom, rest assured a new drug will find its way to the public. As far as

I can tell, all that " doctors " routinely test for is, cholesterol and breast

cancer (mammograms.....which are responsible for the ongoing breast cancer

epidemic)...and other trifling matters that benefit the aforementioned giant

pharmaceutical cartel. I am of the opinion that there are benefits of

being the custodian of your own health first and foremost. Please forgive

me for being such a zealot as regards naturopathic health. Very best to

you, too.......Betsy

 

 

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" Margie Roswell " <mroswell

<rawfood >

Saturday, May 10, 2003 1:08 PM

Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

 

 

>

> (And why don't doctors routinely test for this sort of thing?)

>

> Best,

>

> Margie

>

> --

> Marjorie Roswell

> 3443 Guilford Terrace

> Baltimore, MD 21218

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I agree in good part, though I don't think that most physicians would

agree that they're not working on behalf of their patients. On all the

other matters, I agree. You might be interested to know about an

organization called No Free Lunch (www.nofreelunch.org). The

organization's target audience is mostly young doctors who haven't yet

been totally subsumed by the pharmaceuticals, and the (literal) free

lunches that are usually offerred to medical staff.

 

The home page in itself is actually quite funny if you're familiar with

the real " CAGE " test for drug dependancy.

 

The research they've got is also worth knowing about. It's not a suprise

that the organization can clearly document the pharmaceuticals' influence

over prescriptions.

 

Anyhow, still interested in the original question: how does one learn if

he or she is deficient in amino acids, vitamins, or minerals, or anything?

Is there a good guide to blood work, or urinalysis related to

deficiencies?

 

Best,

 

Margie

 

 

On Sat, 10 May 2003, Betsy wrote:

 

> Hi, Margie...... " doctors " don't work for their patients.....they work for

> the pharmaceutical giants. As soon as they can discover a new deficiency or

> symptom, rest assured a new drug will find its way to the public. As far as

> I can tell, all that " doctors " routinely test for is, cholesterol and breast

> cancer (mammograms.....which are responsible for the ongoing breast cancer

> epidemic)...and other trifling matters that benefit the aforementioned giant

> pharmaceutical cartel. I am of the opinion that there are benefits of

> being the custodian of your own health first and foremost. Please forgive

> me for being such a zealot as regards naturopathic health. Very best to

> you, too.......Betsy

>

>

> -

> " Margie Roswell " <mroswell

> <rawfood >

> Saturday, May 10, 2003 1:08 PM

> Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

>

>

> >

> > (And why don't doctors routinely test for this sort of thing?)

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > Margie

> >

> > --

> > Marjorie Roswell

> > 3443 Guilford Terrace

> > Baltimore, MD 21218

> > mroswell

> > 410-467-3727

> > Newest Site: rawfoodwiki.org

> >

>

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Doug,

 

I know plenty of long term raw food women who menstruate regularly.. it

seems that only the extremely underweight raw food women stop menstruating,

which was the case with myself. I wasn't menstruating when I first went raw

for this same reason.. I disagree about the protein.. and it was this type

of information that brought me ill health in the first place.

 

To all the other replies to my post- I spend a lot of time at Gabriel's

center, the Tree of Life.. and have had a " whole person healing " with

Gabriel Cousens.. and this is where I was informed of all of my health

problems, of which there were many. I feel *so* much better now =)

 

>kauguy <no_reply >

>rawfood

>rawfood

>Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

>Sat, 10 May 2003 09:24:18 -0000

>

>Jackie; Wild female animals and raw food women do not menstruate.

>Cessation of menstruation through raw foods is a sign of health and

>not a sign of any kind of deficiency. The only way you can become

>infertile is to continue to eat cooked food. It will happen during

>menopause, raw women do not go through menopause, and therefore

>remain fertile indefinitely. Protein in excess of 2% of our diet is

>dangerous and is the only cause of cancer. The eating of fruits and

>green leafy vegetables has the perfect amount of protein. Please read

>this article; http://www.justeatanapple.com/nuts_and_seeds.html I

>would also like to email you, and anyone else who is interested an

>excerpt from " Survival Into The 21st Century " by Viktoras Kulvinskas

>which talks about menstruation and raw women. This is a large file

>and I do not want to send it without your permission.

>

>Doug

>

>

>

>rawfood , " Jackie North " <vegchick86@h...>

>wrote:

> > I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did

>Dr.

> > Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a

>result

> > of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also

>was quite

> > gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox,

>weight

> > loss, and the infamous protein deficiencies almost never occur

>unless you

> > don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein

>deficiency

> > even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not

>eat

> > enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake

>anymore.. I have

> > cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =)

>now I'm

> > working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating

>again so as

> > not to end up infertile!

> >

> > Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're

>doing, and

> > always listen to your instinct over other people's advice

>or " knowledge " ..

> >

> >

> >

> > > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie>

> > >rawfood

> > >rawfood

> > >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

> > >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000

> > >

> > >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be

> > >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly

> > >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision

> > >it happening.

> > >

> > >

> > >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " Has anyone ever

> > > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. "

> > > >

> > >

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Margie; I like to throw little things like; " Protein is the only

cause of cancer " into my messages because it tends to rile people up

and get them started thinking. And they usually fire a message right

back at me. Thank You. I try not to give my thoughts or opinions on

anything. My opinions are, usually wrong. The reason we have these

people going to doctors and trusting medical science, in this club is

because they do not realize; that as raw foodists, we are outside the

boundaries of medical science. Their rules do not apply to us. If you

look back over my messages you will see that a big part of my role in

this club has been to show the members of the club, how different and

special we are. We have made a big courageous step in our lives. When

we became raw foodists we took responsibility for our own health. No

doctor would advise us to do that. We must understand that medical

science is not set up to deal with us. When they examine us, they are

comparing us to people who eat Big Macs. Of course we are deficient

in protein. We don't eat meat. The main reason I want to send this

excerpt " The Biological Superiority of Woman " to people in the club

is because it shows one of the ways that we are very different. Years

ago we had a lady who's doctor told her she was low in the protein;

Albumin, and tried to get her to eat more eggs. What we are doing as

raw foodists is trying to get rid of mucus in our bodies. Everything

you want out of raw foods, be it health, weight loss, higher mental

function, longevity, immunity to disease, what ever we want is only

possible by first ridding our bodies of mucus. Albumin is mucus. It

is nothing more than snot in our blood. Egg whites are high in

albumin because all they are is mucus. For us, all doctors are good

for is first aid. They are very good at stitching up cuts, and

setting bones. But if you're sick, they will KILL you. Here is an

article to read on this subject;

http://www.justeatanapple.com/medicine_condems.html Now about why

protein is the only cause of cancer. If you don't have the

book " Living Foods For Optimum Health " by Brian R. Clement, get it.

Brian is an old time raw foodist, colleague of Ann Wigmor, and the

director of the Hippocrates Health Institute. He states " The Center

for Science in the Public Interest reports that the average American

takes in about 150 grams of protein each day. But you need only a

fraction of that amount, where does the excess go? Well, the body

can't store protein, the lymphatic system attempts to remove the

excess. But when the burden becomes too great for the lymph to handle

protein " traps " (tumors) are created, which the body seals off in

order to protect the rest of its organs and tissues, As Nobel prize

winner Dr. Otto Warburg showed, when oxygen supply is decreased by as

little as 30 percent, these trapped cells can become malignant cancer

cells. Warburg found that unlike normal healthy cells, malignant

cancer cells don't require oxygen to reproduce, in a sense, the

cancerous cells consume waste, saving the body from poisoning by

excess protein, but this survival tactic can cause uncontrolled,

terminal cancer. " I know that medical science has a large list of

carcinogens, but without tumors (protein traps) the cancer has no

place to grow. Mothers milk is only 2% protein for a baby that

doubles its size and weight in 180 days by the time the child reaches

2 years of age mothers protein drops to 1%.

 

Doug

 

 

 

rawfood , Margie Roswell <mroswell@f...> wrote:

> On Sat, 10 May 2003, kauguy wrote:

>

> > Jackie; Wild female animals and raw food women do not menstruate.

> > Cessation of menstruation through raw foods is a sign of health

and

> > not a sign of any kind of deficiency. The only way you can become

> > infertile is to continue to eat cooked food. It will happen

during

> > menopause, raw women do not go through menopause, and therefore

>

> > remain fertile indefinitely. Protein in excess of 2% of our diet

is

> > dangerous and is the only cause of cancer.

>

> There are a LOT of other carcinogens besides protein.

>

> I'm extremely interested in the question of fertility, but

unfortunately,

> I don't feel that I can trust what you say after your " only cause of

> cancer " remark.

>

> Even so, I'm interested in your thoughts on fertility. Would be

happy

> to read Viktoras Kulvinska's thoughts. Please send 'em along.

>

> Concerned about credibility of arguments used to support raw foods,

> (and also interested in pursuing the questions of whether not

menstruating

> is safe, and whether fertility never ends in raw women, as I'm 41

and

> childless),

>

> Margie

>

>

> The eating of fruits and > green leafy vegetables has the perfect

amount

> of protein. Please read

> > this article; http://www.justeatanapple.com/nuts_and_seeds.html

I

> > would also like to email you, and anyone else who is interested

an

> > excerpt from " Survival Into The 21st Century " by Viktoras

Kulvinskas

> > which talks about menstruation and raw women. This is a large

file

> > and I do not want to send it without your permission.

> >

> > Doug

> >

> >

> >

> > rawfood , " Jackie North " <vegchick86@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I

did

> > Dr.

> > > Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced

with a

> > result

> > > of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I

also

> > was quite

> > > gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about

detox,

> > weight

> > > loss, and the infamous protein deficiencies almost never occur

> > unless you

> > > don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein

> > deficiency

> > > even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to

not

> > eat

> > > enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake

> > anymore.. I have

> > > cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens..

=)

> > now I'm

> > > working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin

menstruating

> > again so as

> > > not to end up infertile!

> > >

> > > Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're

> > doing, and

> > > always listen to your instinct over other people's advice

> > or " knowledge " ..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie>

> > > >rawfood

> > > >rawfood

> > > >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham

> > > >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000

> > > >

> > > >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have

to be

> > > >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of

mostly

> > > >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could

envision

> > > >it happening.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > " Has anyone ever

> > > > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck

haven't. "

> > > > >

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> On Sat, 10 May 2003, alreadyherenow wrote:

>

> > I forgot to mention I also was deficient in tyrosine...necessary

for

> > dopamine production.

>

> How did you determine what you were deficient in?

 

Mostly from symptoms and dietary history and experimentation. I also

took EAV tests. The health problems related to amino acid deficincies

are well established. When I added the amino acids that I suspected I

was deficient in, it made huge changes in my health. For instance, if

your liver isn't making enough tyrosine (not in plants) than you

won't make enough dopamine because tyrosine is the precurser for

dopamine. Low dopamine leads to depression, low drive, foggy brain,

etc. When I added tyrosine, it was light a light switch was turned on.

At first I took it everyday, but now that my deficiency is corrected,

I only have to take it once a week and the benfits hold.

Taurine was another big one I was deficient in. Taurine deficiencies

result in your liver not being able to clear toxins correctly. This

leads to multiople chemical sensitivities. My MCS got much better

after adding taurine to my diet.

Proline was another one. According to Dr. Slagle, most people with

arthritis and other chronic health problems have low proline. Prolin

eis necessary for building cartilage. Proline helped my neck

arthritis heal. I had it for years before now.

 

> (And why don't doctors routinely test for this sort of thing?)

 

Honestly. I do not know! Most doctors just prescribe drugs to deal

with symptoms. Naturopaths understand the role of deficincies in

disease and they test for deficiencies.

 

BestWishes,

Pete

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I forgot to say that I also looked at my health history.

Liver tests showed that my liver was not making hardly any

cholesterol. My ALT liver enzymes were also slightly raised

(indicated mild liver damage). At one time I had jaundice. The liver

manufactures many non-essential amino acids like tyrosine and

taurine. If the liver is not working up to par, then it won't be

making all the nutrients your body needs. 1+1+1=3 . That is where an

outside source of these nutrients can save your health. Besides, most

anthropologists agree that we have always had an outside source of

these nutrients (like insects and eggs) in our diet for our entire

evolution. To just cut them out cold turkey and ask your body to pick

up the stack is asking alot..especially if your health is not all

that great to begin with.

 

 

Take Care.

Pete

 

rawfood , alreadyherenow <no_reply> wrote:

> rawfood , Margie Roswell <mroswell@f...>

wrote:

> > On Sat, 10 May 2003, alreadyherenow wrote:

> >

> > > I forgot to mention I also was deficient in

tyrosine...necessary

> for

> > > dopamine production.

> >

> > How did you determine what you were deficient in?

>

> Mostly from symptoms and dietary history and experimentation. I

also

> took EAV tests. The health problems related to amino acid

deficincies

> are well established. When I added the amino acids that I suspected

I

> was deficient in, it made huge changes in my health. For instance,

if

> your liver isn't making enough tyrosine (not in plants) than you

> won't make enough dopamine because tyrosine is the precurser for

> dopamine. Low dopamine leads to depression, low drive, foggy brain,

> etc. When I added tyrosine, it was light a light switch was turned

on.

> At first I took it everyday, but now that my deficiency is

corrected,

> I only have to take it once a week and the benfits hold.

> Taurine was another big one I was deficient in. Taurine

deficiencies

> result in your liver not being able to clear toxins correctly. This

> leads to multiople chemical sensitivities. My MCS got much better

> after adding taurine to my diet.

> Proline was another one. According to Dr. Slagle, most people with

> arthritis and other chronic health problems have low proline.

Prolin

> eis necessary for building cartilage. Proline helped my neck

> arthritis heal. I had it for years before now.

>

> > (And why don't doctors routinely test for this sort of thing?)

>

> Honestly. I do not know! Most doctors just prescribe drugs to deal

> with symptoms. Naturopaths understand the role of deficincies in

> disease and they test for deficiencies.

>

> BestWishes,

> Pete

> >

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