Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 I really enjoyed the food combining tips from NW Walker. I am pretty sure I would never opt to have a colonic, however the rest of the article was most useful to me. About the protein supplementation question, Rogers comments about not using Steve Arlin's Raw Power book caught my interest, as my husband strength trains, and we use the recipes from this book once or twice a week to satisfy his constant hunger to help his stamina, repair muscle tissue and the like. I have struggled to find a way to help him be really satisfied on the raw diet and so I have a follow up question to your solution to just " eat more. " When we eat more greens, both of us become very bloated and have huge bowel movements afterwards. So, we started juicing most of our greens to get our leafies minus the bloating. As an additional bit of info on our diet, we adhere to Dr. Graham's recommended 80% carb from fruit/10% fat/10% protein ratio as general guide, mono meals until evening when we are together as a family (our child eats mono almost 100%). I eat/juice a lot of greens as was recommended by a raw nutritional scientist (2 lbs a day)I met here in Texas because I am breastfeeding my toddler. The question is: What about juicing lots of greens as we do instead of eating them? Frederic Patenaude, to whom I refer to much, feels this is a toxic practice in his book Raw Secrets. And we have been juicing an hour after having a bowl of however many veggies we wish such as radishes, cucumbers, celery, tomatoes and avocados. The Raw Power book and Dr. Graham's High Energy Diet Recipe Guide are my two main references for our evening meal if I make one. For now, I have decided not to have any breakfast & lunch times and just fend for ourselves when we are hungry with plenty of fresh fruits around. Thanks for the Matthew Grace website. His will be the next book I read on raw for our family's benefit. I have not looked into anything for my child but if anyone feels there is some important reference for her, I most certainly will pick it up. She is 2 years old, still nursing, and will continue this for as many years as she wishes. She can eat a bowl of salad greens easily, avocados and fruits no problem, rotating her preferences regularly. She will not accept any juice and we let her eat as she pleases (except for dried fruits, which I have a " that's enough " point). With this, I am comfortable. Thanks, and looking forward to any comments. Miko _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 About the protein supplementation question, Rogers comments about not using Steve Arlin's Raw Power book caught my interest, as my husband strength trains, and we use the recipes from this book once or twice a week to satisfy his constant hunger to help his stamina, repair muscle tissue and the like. I have struggled to find a way to help him be really satisfied on the raw diet and so I have a follow up question to your solution to just " eat more. " +++++++++++++++++++++++++ I've found that if I am still hungry a salad just won't do it. I have to have eaten enough fruit or enough fatty food to get the calories I need. For the most part I stay away from the fatty foods if I want to have the most energy possible. Digesting lots of fat takes away most of my energy. This doesn't happen eating fruit. When you eat more raw fruits and vegetables you are naturally eating more protein or amino acids. This is what I mean by just eating more. You have all the nutrients to build your muscles if you simply get enough calories from a variety of fruits and vegetables. Has anyone ever met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. On a high fruit diet I can gain muscle better because I sometimes do two workouts in a day. I have so much energy that I want to work out more. My muscles are bigger now than they have ever been, but that is simply because I am working out harder. The main key is the workout and not how much protein you eat. Protein comes with too much fat attached to it. Fat is a killer of athletic performance. So we only need as much protein as we need. An excess will not make our muscles bigger. Our body recycles most of our protein anyway. In reality one of last questions people need to ask is, " Where do you get your protein? " Humans have very low requirements for protein compared to other animals. We also have very low fat requirements. If you are eating a 100% raw food diet with variety you're getting all the essential fatty acids. You don't have to eat fish to get omega 3's. It's in the fruits and vegetables. I suspect that all of our nutrient needs are in fresh, ripe, raw and organic fruits and vegetables. Nuts and seeds should be eaten with moderation. So if you're hubby is still hungry he should eat more fruit if you are following Dr. Graham's program. Make sure to give plenty of time to digest a salad before eating another fruit meal. Wait at least an hour if you want best results. I've found a salad will screw up digestion of fruits. Fruit should for the most part be eaten on an empty stomach. Roger Discover the 10,000 year old Simple Secret for Effortless Weight Loss, Radiant Health, Super Athletic Performance, Spiritual, Mental, Emotional Health, Success and more. Go to www.superbeing.com/awesometechnique.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 " Has anyone ever met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. " Roger, how would you go about recognizing someone with/without a protein deficiency? Regards, Jess - " Roger Haeske " <roger <rawfood > Monday, May 05, 2003 11:16 AM RE: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > About the protein supplementation question, Rogers comments about not > using > Steve Arlin's Raw Power book caught my interest, as my husband strength > trains, and we use the recipes from this book once or twice a week to > satisfy his constant hunger to help his stamina, repair muscle tissue > and > the like. I have struggled to find a way to help him be really satisfied > on > the raw diet and so I have a follow up question to your solution to just > > " eat more. " > +++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I've found that if I am still hungry a salad just won't do it. I have to > have eaten enough fruit or enough fatty food to get the calories I need. > For the most part I stay away from the fatty foods if I want to have the > most energy possible. Digesting lots of fat takes away most of my > energy. This doesn't happen eating fruit. > > When you eat more raw fruits and vegetables you are naturally eating > more protein or amino acids. This is what I mean by just eating more. > You have all the nutrients to build your muscles if you simply get > enough calories from a variety of fruits and vegetables. Has anyone ever > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. <snipe> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 " Has anyone ever met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. " Roger, how would you go about recognizing someone with/without a protein deficiency? [RH] I don't know because it seems to be extremely rare. The real problem is getting too much protein. Almost everyone on an SAD has way too much protein in their diet. Roger Regards, Jess - " Roger Haeske " <roger <rawfood > Monday, May 05, 2003 11:16 AM RE: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > About the protein supplementation question, Rogers comments about not > using > Steve Arlin's Raw Power book caught my interest, as my husband strength > trains, and we use the recipes from this book once or twice a week to > satisfy his constant hunger to help his stamina, repair muscle tissue > and > the like. I have struggled to find a way to help him be really satisfied > on > the raw diet and so I have a follow up question to your solution to just > > " eat more. " > +++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I've found that if I am still hungry a salad just won't do it. I have to > have eaten enough fruit or enough fatty food to get the calories I need. > For the most part I stay away from the fatty foods if I want to have the > most energy possible. Digesting lots of fat takes away most of my > energy. This doesn't happen eating fruit. > > When you eat more raw fruits and vegetables you are naturally eating > more protein or amino acids. This is what I mean by just eating more. > You have all the nutrients to build your muscles if you simply get > enough calories from a variety of fruits and vegetables. Has anyone ever > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. <snipe> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision it happening. rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote: > > " Has anyone ever > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote: > So if you're hubby is still hungry he should eat more fruit if you are > following Dr. Graham's program. Make sure to give plenty of time to > digest a salad before eating another fruit meal. Wait at least an hour > if you want best results. I've found a salad will screw up digestion of > fruits. Fruit should for the most part be eaten on an empty stomach. > > Roger I am ready to try this " more fruit " approach to satisfy my hubby. Many thanks, and it's much easier than me putting together a special (Raw Power) recipe, anyhow. Seriously, your advice has helped me remember that I am really convicted about Dr. Grahams' ideals for health, and your opinions do reflect them. A question: If a salad will screw up digestion of fruits, why does doing it the other way around seem to be fine? I do this myself, eating fruits before preparing salad and I feel okay. Another question: In the evening, when you recommend waiting to have more fruit, do you mean having a few bananas? Fatty fruits like avocado? Or non-sweet fruits, like red bell peppers? I am often confused when authors speak of eating fruits and the use of this term to incorporate foods like cucumbers, avocados, olives and so on. So, I just would like you to clarify as to what you mean by eating more fruit, especially in the evening. Miko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did Dr. Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a result of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also was quite gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox, weight loss, and the infamous " protein deficiencies almost never occur unless you don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein deficiency even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not eat enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake anymore.. I have cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =) now I'm working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating again so as not to end up infertile! Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're doing, and always listen to your instinct over other people's advice or " knowledge " .. > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie >rawfood >rawfood >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000 > >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision >it happening. > > >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote: > > > > " Has anyone ever > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. " > > > _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Well, where are you getting your protein from now? Regards, Jess - " Jackie North " <vegchick86 <rawfood > Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:24 AM Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did Dr. > Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a result > of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also was quite > gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox, weight > loss, and the infamous " protein deficiencies almost never occur unless you > don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein deficiency > even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not eat > enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake anymore.. I have > cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =) now I'm > working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating again so as > not to end up infertile! > > Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're doing, and > always listen to your instinct over other people's advice or " knowledge " .. > > > > > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie > >rawfood > >rawfood > >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000 > > > >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be > >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly > >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision > >it happening. > > > > > >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote: > > > > > > " Has anyone ever > > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. " > > > > > > > > _______________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Miko (Kobasigawa) Nelson [miko_nelson] Monday, May 05, 2003 10:16 PM rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote: > So if you're hubby is still hungry he should eat more fruit if you are > following Dr. Graham's program. Make sure to give plenty of time to > digest a salad before eating another fruit meal. Wait at least an hour > if you want best results. I've found a salad will screw up digestion of > fruits. Fruit should for the most part be eaten on an empty stomach. > > Roger I am ready to try this " more fruit " approach to satisfy my hubby. Many thanks, and it's much easier than me putting together a special (Raw Power) recipe, anyhow. Seriously, your advice has helped me remember that I am really convicted about Dr. Grahams' ideals for health, and your opinions do reflect them. A question: If a salad will screw up digestion of fruits, why does doing it the other way around seem to be fine? I do this myself, eating fruits before preparing salad and I feel okay. Another question: In the evening, when you recommend waiting to have more fruit, do you mean having a few bananas? Fatty fruits like avocado? Or non-sweet fruits, like red bell peppers? I am often confused when authors speak of eating fruits and the use of this term to incorporate foods like cucumbers, avocados, olives and so on. So, I just would like you to clarify as to what you mean by eating more fruit, especially in the evening. Miko [RH] Yes what is fruit can be a bit confusing. Again if you follow the 80/10/10 program then you'd probably want more sweet fruit. The problem with say tomatoes, or cucumber is that they are very low in calories. I find them about as satisfying as water. (One can feel full even on water, but eventually you are going to need some fuel and you'll feel hungry.) Avocados will make you full and I do eat them with salads. But this is a fatty fruit. If I eat this with my salad then I better not have any sweet fruit the rest of the evening. So what I meant was sweet fruit after you have digested the salad if you are still hungry. Eat as much sweet fruit as you crave. Sweet fruit digests much quicker than salads and that is why you should eat them first or on an empty stomach. Roger Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100% Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske, the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and http://www.superbeing.com. Go to http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn how to go 100% RAW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Quinoa is high in protein. Just soak it in pure water and eat. I love adding some spices to it and it tastes wonderful. Not all grains need to be cooked in order to eat it. rawfood , studio53 <studio53@o...> wrote: > Well, where are you getting your protein from now? > > Regards, > Jess > > > - > " Jackie North " <vegchick86@h...> > <rawfood > > Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:24 AM > Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > > > > I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did Dr. > > Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a result > > of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also was quite > > gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox, weight > > loss, and the infamous " protein deficiencies almost never occur unless you > > don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein deficiency > > even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not eat > > enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake anymore.. I > have > > cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =) now I'm > > working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating again so > as > > not to end up infertile! > > > > Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're doing, and > > always listen to your instinct over other people's advice or " knowledge " .. > > > > > > > > > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie> > > >rawfood > > >rawfood > > >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > > >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000 > > > > > >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be > > >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly > > >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision > > >it happening. > > > > > > > > >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > " Has anyone ever > > > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 In addition, we can also take alfalfa or nettle extracts for nutrition. I know that I don't eat enough for my nutrition and need to take these herbal extracts. rawfood , studio53 <studio53@o...> wrote: > Well, where are you getting your protein from now? > > Regards, > Jess > > > - > " Jackie North " <vegchick86@h...> > <rawfood > > Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:24 AM > Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > > > > I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did Dr. > > Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a result > > of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also was quite > > gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox, weight > > loss, and the infamous " protein deficiencies almost never occur unless you > > don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein deficiency > > even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not eat > > enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake anymore.. I > have > > cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =) now I'm > > working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating again so > as > > not to end up infertile! > > > > Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're doing, and > > always listen to your instinct over other people's advice or " knowledge " .. > > > > > > > > > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie> > > >rawfood > > >rawfood > > >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > > >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000 > > > > > >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be > > >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly > > >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision > > >it happening. > > > > > > > > >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > " Has anyone ever > > > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Quinola is grain based. A balanced protein would be 3 parts grain and 2 parts legumes or nuts. Adding some bean sprouts or nuts to the quinola would bring it into balance, but the quinola is starchy too and could add some insulin bump if too much is eaten at one serving. rusty - " backpackinggirl20012001 " <no_reply > <rawfood > Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:23 AM Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > Quinoa is high in protein. Just soak it in pure water and eat. I love > adding some spices to it and it tastes wonderful. Not all grains need > to be cooked in order to eat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Nutritional Data for 100 grams of QUINOA Mean value per 100.00 grams edible part; 0.0% refuse Portions: 1/2 CUP = 85.00 gm, 1 CUP = 170.00 gm 14.5% Cals from fat, 14.9% Cals from protein, 70.6% Cals from carbs. Name Unit Amount Food energy KCal: 374.000 Protein Gms : 13.100 Total lipid (fat) Gms : 5.800 Carbohydrate, by diff. Gms : 68.900 Total saturated fat Gms : 0.590 Ttl monounsaturated fat Gms : 1.535 Ttl polyunsaturated fat Gms : 2.347 Cholesterol Mg : 0.000 Sodium Mg : 21.000 Total dietary fiber Gms : 5.900 Vitamin A Re : 0.000 Vitamin A IU : 0.000 Ascorbic acid Mg : 0.000 Thiamin Mg : 0.198 Riboflavin Mg : 0.396 Niacin Mg : 2.930 Vitamin B6 Mg : 0.223 Folacin Mcg : 49.000 Vitamin B12 Mcg : 0.000 Potassium Mg : 740.000 Calcium Mg : 60.000 Phosphorus Mg : 410.000 Magnesium Mg : 210.000 Iron Mg : 9.250 Zinc Mg : 3.300 Pantothenic acid Mg : 1.047 Copper Mg : 0.820 Manganese Mg : 2.260 Ash Gms : 2.900 Water Gms : 9.300 Food energy KJ : 1567.000 Palmitic acid (16:0) Gms : 0.541 Stearic acid (18:0) Gms : 0.049 Palmitoleic acid(16:1) Gms : 0.010 Oleic acid (18:1) Gms : 1.525 Linoleic acid (18:2/n6) Gms : 2.214 Linolenic acid(18:3/n3) Gms : 0.133 Histidine Gms : 0.314 Isoleucine Gms : 0.472 Leucine Gms : 0.786 Lysine Gms : 0.734 Methionine Gms : 0.262 Methionine+Cystine Gms : 0.262 Phenylalanine Gms : 0.537 Tyrosine Gms : 0.367 Phenylalanine+Tyrosine Gms : 0.904 Threonine Gms : 0.459 Valine Gms : 0.589 Arginine Gms : 0.918 Alanine Gms : 0.616 Aspartic acid Gms : 0.956 Glutamic acid Gms : 1.559 Glycine Gms : 0.681 @Y: 0.407 Serine Gms : 0.484 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Jackie; Wild female animals and raw food women do not menstruate. Cessation of menstruation through raw foods is a sign of health and not a sign of any kind of deficiency. The only way you can become infertile is to continue to eat cooked food. It will happen during menopause, raw women do not go through menopause, and therefore remain fertile indefinitely. Protein in excess of 2% of our diet is dangerous and is the only cause of cancer. The eating of fruits and green leafy vegetables has the perfect amount of protein. Please read this article; http://www.justeatanapple.com/nuts_and_seeds.html I would also like to email you, and anyone else who is interested an excerpt from " Survival Into The 21st Century " by Viktoras Kulvinskas which talks about menstruation and raw women. This is a large file and I do not want to send it without your permission. Doug rawfood , " Jackie North " <vegchick86@h...> wrote: > I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did Dr. > Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a result > of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also was quite > gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox, weight > loss, and the infamous protein deficiencies almost never occur unless you > don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein deficiency > even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not eat > enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake anymore.. I have > cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =) now I'm > working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating again so as > not to end up infertile! > > Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're doing, and > always listen to your instinct over other people's advice or " knowledge " .. > > > > > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie> > >rawfood > >rawfood > >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000 > > > >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be > >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly > >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision > >it happening. > > > > > >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote: > > > > > > " Has anyone ever > > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. " > > > > > > > > _______________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Hello all. I haven't yet introduced myself properly to the group, but I hope that won't prohibit me from requesting a copy of the file you are talking about, Doug. I've noticed that when a woman's period stops as a side effect of birth control, its usually considered no big deal or even a good, beneficial side effect. Yet, when this occurs as a result of diet its considered a problem. I'd like to know the facts. Allan kauguy <no_reply > wrote:Jackie; Wild female animals and raw food women do not menstruate. Cessation of menstruation through raw foods is a sign of health and not a sign of any kind of deficiency. The only way you can become infertile is to continue to eat cooked food. It will happen during menopause, raw women do not go through menopause, and therefore remain fertile indefinitely. Protein in excess of 2% of our diet is dangerous and is the only cause of cancer. The eating of fruits and green leafy vegetables has the perfect amount of protein. Please read this article; http://www.justeatanapple.com/nuts_and_seeds.html I would also like to email you, and anyone else who is interested an excerpt from " Survival Into The 21st Century " by Viktoras Kulvinskas which talks about menstruation and raw women. This is a large file and I do not want to send it without your permission. Doug rawfood , " Jackie North " <vegchick86@h...> wrote: > I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did Dr. > Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a result > of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also was quite > gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox, weight > loss, and the infamous protein deficiencies almost never occur unless you > don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein deficiency > even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not eat > enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake anymore.. I have > cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =) now I'm > working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating again so as > not to end up infertile! > > Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're doing, and > always listen to your instinct over other people's advice or " knowledge " .. > > > > > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie> > >rawfood > >rawfood > >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000 > > > >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be > >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly > >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision > >it happening. > > > > > >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote: > > > > > > " Has anyone ever > > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. " > > > > > > > > _______________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 On Sat, 10 May 2003, kauguy wrote: > Jackie; Wild female animals and raw food women do not menstruate. > Cessation of menstruation through raw foods is a sign of health and > not a sign of any kind of deficiency. The only way you can become > infertile is to continue to eat cooked food. It will happen during > menopause, raw women do not go through menopause, and therefore > remain fertile indefinitely. Protein in excess of 2% of our diet is > dangerous and is the only cause of cancer. There are a LOT of other carcinogens besides protein. I'm extremely interested in the question of fertility, but unfortunately, I don't feel that I can trust what you say after your " only cause of cancer " remark. Even so, I'm interested in your thoughts on fertility. Would be happy to read Viktoras Kulvinska's thoughts. Please send 'em along. Concerned about credibility of arguments used to support raw foods, (and also interested in pursuing the questions of whether not menstruating is safe, and whether fertility never ends in raw women, as I'm 41 and childless), Margie The eating of fruits and > green leafy vegetables has the perfect amount of protein. Please read > this article; http://www.justeatanapple.com/nuts_and_seeds.html I > would also like to email you, and anyone else who is interested an > excerpt from " Survival Into The 21st Century " by Viktoras Kulvinskas > which talks about menstruation and raw women. This is a large file > and I do not want to send it without your permission. > > Doug > > > > rawfood , " Jackie North " <vegchick86@h...> > wrote: > > I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did > Dr. > > Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a > result > > of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also > was quite > > gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox, > weight > > loss, and the infamous protein deficiencies almost never occur > unless you > > don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein > deficiency > > even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not > eat > > enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake > anymore.. I have > > cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =) > now I'm > > working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating > again so as > > not to end up infertile! > > > > Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're > doing, and > > always listen to your instinct over other people's advice > or " knowledge " .. > > > > > > > > > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie> > > >rawfood > > >rawfood > > >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > > >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000 > > > > > >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be > > >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly > > >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision > > >it happening. > > > > > > > > >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > " Has anyone ever > > > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 << I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did Dr. Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a result of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. >> I had similar problems. YOu can get protein deficincies on the raw vegan diet, especially if your body is not healthy enough to manufature its own " non-essetial " amino acids like taurine and proline. After 3 years on the raw vegan dit, I have deficiencies of several amino acids...especially taurine, proline, and possibly some other amino acids like methionine. I suffered from multiple chem sensitivies, weakness, low hormones (my choloesterol was almost zero), poor moods, etc. I was also defieicnet in several B vit's. I added 2-3 egg yolks to my diet each day and some taurine supplemts and B vitamins and my health and strength has come back. I still eat 100% raw and eat the same as before (pretty much like David Wolfe but with more fruit.) Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 I forgot to mention I also was deficient in tyrosine...necessary for dopamine production. rawfood , alreadyherenow <no_reply> wrote: > << I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did Dr. Grahams program for a > while, but became extremely unbalanced with a result of candida and > multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. >> > > I had similar problems. YOu can get protein deficincies on the raw > vegan diet, especially if your body is not healthy enough to > manufature its own " non-essetial " amino acids like taurine and > proline. > After 3 years on the raw vegan dit, I have deficiencies of several > amino acids...especially taurine, proline, and possibly some other > amino acids like methionine. > I suffered from multiple chem sensitivies, weakness, low hormones (my > choloesterol was almost zero), poor moods, etc. > I was also defieicnet in several B vit's. I added 2-3 egg yolks to my > diet each day and some taurine supplemts and B vitamins and my health > and strength has come back. I still eat 100% raw and eat the same as > before (pretty much like David Wolfe but with more fruit.) > > Pete > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 On Sat, 10 May 2003, alreadyherenow wrote: > I forgot to mention I also was deficient in tyrosine...necessary for > dopamine production. How did you determine what you were deficient in? Any leads for further info on testing for amino acid, protein, and/or mineral deficiencies? (And why don't doctors routinely test for this sort of thing?) Best, Margie -- Marjorie Roswell 3443 Guilford Terrace Baltimore, MD 21218 mroswell 410-467-3727 Newest Site: rawfoodwiki.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Hi, Margie...... " doctors " don't work for their patients.....they work for the pharmaceutical giants. As soon as they can discover a new deficiency or symptom, rest assured a new drug will find its way to the public. As far as I can tell, all that " doctors " routinely test for is, cholesterol and breast cancer (mammograms.....which are responsible for the ongoing breast cancer epidemic)...and other trifling matters that benefit the aforementioned giant pharmaceutical cartel. I am of the opinion that there are benefits of being the custodian of your own health first and foremost. Please forgive me for being such a zealot as regards naturopathic health. Very best to you, too.......Betsy - " Margie Roswell " <mroswell <rawfood > Saturday, May 10, 2003 1:08 PM Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > > (And why don't doctors routinely test for this sort of thing?) > > Best, > > Margie > > -- > Marjorie Roswell > 3443 Guilford Terrace > Baltimore, MD 21218 > mroswell > 410-467-3727 > Newest Site: rawfoodwiki.org > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 I agree in good part, though I don't think that most physicians would agree that they're not working on behalf of their patients. On all the other matters, I agree. You might be interested to know about an organization called No Free Lunch (www.nofreelunch.org). The organization's target audience is mostly young doctors who haven't yet been totally subsumed by the pharmaceuticals, and the (literal) free lunches that are usually offerred to medical staff. The home page in itself is actually quite funny if you're familiar with the real " CAGE " test for drug dependancy. The research they've got is also worth knowing about. It's not a suprise that the organization can clearly document the pharmaceuticals' influence over prescriptions. Anyhow, still interested in the original question: how does one learn if he or she is deficient in amino acids, vitamins, or minerals, or anything? Is there a good guide to blood work, or urinalysis related to deficiencies? Best, Margie On Sat, 10 May 2003, Betsy wrote: > Hi, Margie...... " doctors " don't work for their patients.....they work for > the pharmaceutical giants. As soon as they can discover a new deficiency or > symptom, rest assured a new drug will find its way to the public. As far as > I can tell, all that " doctors " routinely test for is, cholesterol and breast > cancer (mammograms.....which are responsible for the ongoing breast cancer > epidemic)...and other trifling matters that benefit the aforementioned giant > pharmaceutical cartel. I am of the opinion that there are benefits of > being the custodian of your own health first and foremost. Please forgive > me for being such a zealot as regards naturopathic health. Very best to > you, too.......Betsy > > > - > " Margie Roswell " <mroswell > <rawfood > > Saturday, May 10, 2003 1:08 PM > Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > > > > > > (And why don't doctors routinely test for this sort of thing?) > > > > Best, > > > > Margie > > > > -- > > Marjorie Roswell > > 3443 Guilford Terrace > > Baltimore, MD 21218 > > mroswell > > 410-467-3727 > > Newest Site: rawfoodwiki.org > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Doug, I know plenty of long term raw food women who menstruate regularly.. it seems that only the extremely underweight raw food women stop menstruating, which was the case with myself. I wasn't menstruating when I first went raw for this same reason.. I disagree about the protein.. and it was this type of information that brought me ill health in the first place. To all the other replies to my post- I spend a lot of time at Gabriel's center, the Tree of Life.. and have had a " whole person healing " with Gabriel Cousens.. and this is where I was informed of all of my health problems, of which there were many. I feel *so* much better now =) >kauguy <no_reply > >rawfood >rawfood >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham >Sat, 10 May 2003 09:24:18 -0000 > >Jackie; Wild female animals and raw food women do not menstruate. >Cessation of menstruation through raw foods is a sign of health and >not a sign of any kind of deficiency. The only way you can become >infertile is to continue to eat cooked food. It will happen during >menopause, raw women do not go through menopause, and therefore >remain fertile indefinitely. Protein in excess of 2% of our diet is >dangerous and is the only cause of cancer. The eating of fruits and >green leafy vegetables has the perfect amount of protein. Please read >this article; http://www.justeatanapple.com/nuts_and_seeds.html I >would also like to email you, and anyone else who is interested an >excerpt from " Survival Into The 21st Century " by Viktoras Kulvinskas >which talks about menstruation and raw women. This is a large file >and I do not want to send it without your permission. > >Doug > > > >rawfood , " Jackie North " <vegchick86@h...> >wrote: > > I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did >Dr. > > Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a >result > > of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also >was quite > > gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox, >weight > > loss, and the infamous protein deficiencies almost never occur >unless you > > don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein >deficiency > > even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not >eat > > enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake >anymore.. I have > > cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =) >now I'm > > working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating >again so as > > not to end up infertile! > > > > Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're >doing, and > > always listen to your instinct over other people's advice >or " knowledge " .. > > > > > > > > > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie> > > >rawfood > > >rawfood > > >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > > >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000 > > > > > >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be > > >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly > > >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision > > >it happening. > > > > > > > > >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > " Has anyone ever > > > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Margie; I like to throw little things like; " Protein is the only cause of cancer " into my messages because it tends to rile people up and get them started thinking. And they usually fire a message right back at me. Thank You. I try not to give my thoughts or opinions on anything. My opinions are, usually wrong. The reason we have these people going to doctors and trusting medical science, in this club is because they do not realize; that as raw foodists, we are outside the boundaries of medical science. Their rules do not apply to us. If you look back over my messages you will see that a big part of my role in this club has been to show the members of the club, how different and special we are. We have made a big courageous step in our lives. When we became raw foodists we took responsibility for our own health. No doctor would advise us to do that. We must understand that medical science is not set up to deal with us. When they examine us, they are comparing us to people who eat Big Macs. Of course we are deficient in protein. We don't eat meat. The main reason I want to send this excerpt " The Biological Superiority of Woman " to people in the club is because it shows one of the ways that we are very different. Years ago we had a lady who's doctor told her she was low in the protein; Albumin, and tried to get her to eat more eggs. What we are doing as raw foodists is trying to get rid of mucus in our bodies. Everything you want out of raw foods, be it health, weight loss, higher mental function, longevity, immunity to disease, what ever we want is only possible by first ridding our bodies of mucus. Albumin is mucus. It is nothing more than snot in our blood. Egg whites are high in albumin because all they are is mucus. For us, all doctors are good for is first aid. They are very good at stitching up cuts, and setting bones. But if you're sick, they will KILL you. Here is an article to read on this subject; http://www.justeatanapple.com/medicine_condems.html Now about why protein is the only cause of cancer. If you don't have the book " Living Foods For Optimum Health " by Brian R. Clement, get it. Brian is an old time raw foodist, colleague of Ann Wigmor, and the director of the Hippocrates Health Institute. He states " The Center for Science in the Public Interest reports that the average American takes in about 150 grams of protein each day. But you need only a fraction of that amount, where does the excess go? Well, the body can't store protein, the lymphatic system attempts to remove the excess. But when the burden becomes too great for the lymph to handle protein " traps " (tumors) are created, which the body seals off in order to protect the rest of its organs and tissues, As Nobel prize winner Dr. Otto Warburg showed, when oxygen supply is decreased by as little as 30 percent, these trapped cells can become malignant cancer cells. Warburg found that unlike normal healthy cells, malignant cancer cells don't require oxygen to reproduce, in a sense, the cancerous cells consume waste, saving the body from poisoning by excess protein, but this survival tactic can cause uncontrolled, terminal cancer. " I know that medical science has a large list of carcinogens, but without tumors (protein traps) the cancer has no place to grow. Mothers milk is only 2% protein for a baby that doubles its size and weight in 180 days by the time the child reaches 2 years of age mothers protein drops to 1%. Doug rawfood , Margie Roswell <mroswell@f...> wrote: > On Sat, 10 May 2003, kauguy wrote: > > > Jackie; Wild female animals and raw food women do not menstruate. > > Cessation of menstruation through raw foods is a sign of health and > > not a sign of any kind of deficiency. The only way you can become > > infertile is to continue to eat cooked food. It will happen during > > menopause, raw women do not go through menopause, and therefore > > > remain fertile indefinitely. Protein in excess of 2% of our diet is > > dangerous and is the only cause of cancer. > > There are a LOT of other carcinogens besides protein. > > I'm extremely interested in the question of fertility, but unfortunately, > I don't feel that I can trust what you say after your " only cause of > cancer " remark. > > Even so, I'm interested in your thoughts on fertility. Would be happy > to read Viktoras Kulvinska's thoughts. Please send 'em along. > > Concerned about credibility of arguments used to support raw foods, > (and also interested in pursuing the questions of whether not menstruating > is safe, and whether fertility never ends in raw women, as I'm 41 and > childless), > > Margie > > > The eating of fruits and > green leafy vegetables has the perfect amount > of protein. Please read > > this article; http://www.justeatanapple.com/nuts_and_seeds.html I > > would also like to email you, and anyone else who is interested an > > excerpt from " Survival Into The 21st Century " by Viktoras Kulvinskas > > which talks about menstruation and raw women. This is a large file > > and I do not want to send it without your permission. > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > rawfood , " Jackie North " <vegchick86@h...> > > wrote: > > > I have a protein deficiency.. I've been raw for 1.5 years.. I did > > Dr. > > > Grahams program for a while, but became extremely unbalanced with a > > result > > > of candida and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies. I also > > was quite > > > gullible when it came to advice from many raw fooders about detox, > > weight > > > loss, and the infamous protein deficiencies almost never occur > > unless you > > > don't eat anything " .. right.. yes, you CAN develop a protein > > deficiency > > > even eating raw fruits and vegetables... and it is very easy to not > > eat > > > enough calories when eating raw. I don't make that mistake > > anymore.. I have > > > cured my candida and deficiencies..thank you gabriel cousens.. =) > > now I'm > > > working on gaining weight (body fat) so I can begin menstruating > > again so as > > > not to end up infertile! > > > > > > Even raw food can be dangerous.. make sure you know what you're > > doing, and > > > always listen to your instinct over other people's advice > > or " knowledge " .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie> > > > >rawfood > > > >rawfood > > > >Re: [Raw Food] Arlin, Patenaude, and Dr Graham > > > >Mon, 05 May 2003 20:58:27 -0000 > > > > > > > >I have never met anyone with one either, the diet would have to be > > > >totally devoid of fruit and vegetables, meat, and consist of mostly > > > >processed junk food and soda. That is the only way I could envision > > > >it happening. > > > > > > > > > > > >rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > " Has anyone ever > > > > > met someone with a protein deficiency? I sure as heck haven't. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 rawfood , Margie Roswell <mroswell@f...> wrote: > On Sat, 10 May 2003, alreadyherenow wrote: > > > I forgot to mention I also was deficient in tyrosine...necessary for > > dopamine production. > > How did you determine what you were deficient in? Mostly from symptoms and dietary history and experimentation. I also took EAV tests. The health problems related to amino acid deficincies are well established. When I added the amino acids that I suspected I was deficient in, it made huge changes in my health. For instance, if your liver isn't making enough tyrosine (not in plants) than you won't make enough dopamine because tyrosine is the precurser for dopamine. Low dopamine leads to depression, low drive, foggy brain, etc. When I added tyrosine, it was light a light switch was turned on. At first I took it everyday, but now that my deficiency is corrected, I only have to take it once a week and the benfits hold. Taurine was another big one I was deficient in. Taurine deficiencies result in your liver not being able to clear toxins correctly. This leads to multiople chemical sensitivities. My MCS got much better after adding taurine to my diet. Proline was another one. According to Dr. Slagle, most people with arthritis and other chronic health problems have low proline. Prolin eis necessary for building cartilage. Proline helped my neck arthritis heal. I had it for years before now. > (And why don't doctors routinely test for this sort of thing?) Honestly. I do not know! Most doctors just prescribe drugs to deal with symptoms. Naturopaths understand the role of deficincies in disease and they test for deficiencies. BestWishes, Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 I forgot to say that I also looked at my health history. Liver tests showed that my liver was not making hardly any cholesterol. My ALT liver enzymes were also slightly raised (indicated mild liver damage). At one time I had jaundice. The liver manufactures many non-essential amino acids like tyrosine and taurine. If the liver is not working up to par, then it won't be making all the nutrients your body needs. 1+1+1=3 . That is where an outside source of these nutrients can save your health. Besides, most anthropologists agree that we have always had an outside source of these nutrients (like insects and eggs) in our diet for our entire evolution. To just cut them out cold turkey and ask your body to pick up the stack is asking alot..especially if your health is not all that great to begin with. Take Care. Pete rawfood , alreadyherenow <no_reply> wrote: > rawfood , Margie Roswell <mroswell@f...> wrote: > > On Sat, 10 May 2003, alreadyherenow wrote: > > > > > I forgot to mention I also was deficient in tyrosine...necessary > for > > > dopamine production. > > > > How did you determine what you were deficient in? > > Mostly from symptoms and dietary history and experimentation. I also > took EAV tests. The health problems related to amino acid deficincies > are well established. When I added the amino acids that I suspected I > was deficient in, it made huge changes in my health. For instance, if > your liver isn't making enough tyrosine (not in plants) than you > won't make enough dopamine because tyrosine is the precurser for > dopamine. Low dopamine leads to depression, low drive, foggy brain, > etc. When I added tyrosine, it was light a light switch was turned on. > At first I took it everyday, but now that my deficiency is corrected, > I only have to take it once a week and the benfits hold. > Taurine was another big one I was deficient in. Taurine deficiencies > result in your liver not being able to clear toxins correctly. This > leads to multiople chemical sensitivities. My MCS got much better > after adding taurine to my diet. > Proline was another one. According to Dr. Slagle, most people with > arthritis and other chronic health problems have low proline. Prolin > eis necessary for building cartilage. Proline helped my neck > arthritis heal. I had it for years before now. > > > (And why don't doctors routinely test for this sort of thing?) > > Honestly. I do not know! Most doctors just prescribe drugs to deal > with symptoms. Naturopaths understand the role of deficincies in > disease and they test for deficiencies. > > BestWishes, > Pete > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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