Guest guest Posted January 19, 2003 Report Share Posted January 19, 2003 >>...how " low carb " pasta is made?<< [is]...there really is such a thing as " low carb " pasta. The answer is yes, and no! Actually, there are several brands of pasta on the market calling themselves " low carb " . And certainly, they are much lower in carbs than " traditional " pasta. But, " low carb " pasta usually has around 10g of carbs per serving - and that may be too much for those in the initial stages of their low carb diet. So, before rushing out and ordering low carb pasta, wait until you've completed your " induction " stage. Then, order away! If you're not doing an " Atkins " type diet, but only trying to lower your carbohydrate intake, these are a great adddition to your diet anytime. How can " pasta " be made low carb? The main ingredient of all the pastas we checked was SOY in one form or another. Most low carb pastas DO contain wheat or wheat gluten as well, so if you're allergic to wheat, or you need to be on a gluten free diet, these products are not suitable for you. Do these product taste like " real " pasta? Not exactly. Due to the soy content, they do have a slight soy taste. But most folks find them acceptable, especially with a nice Alfredo sauce, or a well seasoned low carb tomato sauce. And make sure you follow the cooking instructions EXACTLY - otherwise you'll end up with a sticky mess! The most popular brands of low carb pasta seem to be: Due Amici, KETO, ProSlim, and Pastalia. No doubt, as the lower carb lifestyle becomes more accepted more companies will be making it - so keep searching! To read more about this topic, go to... http://www.lowcarbcookies.com/low_carb_pasta.htm >>...what the Keto thing is all about<< Hmmm, it looks to me like the people behind the " Keto thing " are the same people behind the founding of " The Life Extension Foundation " 20 years ago, which I've referred too here before. Orignially, I was not too interested in the " Keto thing, " but this finding adds a lot more credibility to it and it's usefulness in my diet. Both links are the same company... http://www.ketofoods.com/ http://www.lifeservices.com/index.html This is their nutritional research organization... http://www.lef.org/ I'm excited about finding this new info. Now, I can replace the standard carb bread maching mixes with ones that deliver 10 g of carb per serving instead of 30+ g. >>referring to the ketosis Atkins recommends? Being in ketosis means your body has burned a large amount of fat in response to the fact that it didn't have sufficient glucose available for energy needs. Under everyday conditions, the carbohydrates you eat are converted to glucose, which is the body's primary source of energy. Whenever your intake of carbohydrates is limited to a certain range, for a long enough period of time, you'll reach a point where your body draws on its alternate energy system, fat stores, for fuel. This condition called dietary ketosis, means your body burns fat and turns it into a source of fuel called ketones. Ketones are produced whenever body fat is burned. When you burn a larger amount of fat than is immediately needed for energy, the excess ketones are discarded in the urine. Dietary ketosis is among the most maligned and misunderstood concepts in nutrition because it is often confused with ketoacidosis, which is a life-threatening condition most often associated with uncontrolled insulin-deficient Type 1 diabetes. In the Type 1 diabetic, the absence of insulin leads to a toxic build-up of blood glucose and an extreme break-down of fat and muscle tissue. This condition doesn't occur in individuals who have even a small amount of insulin, whether from natural production or artificially administered. Dietary ketosis, however, is a natural adjustment to the body's reduced intake of carbohydrates as the body shifts its primary source of energy from carbohydrates to stored fat. The presence of insulin keeps ketone production in check so that a mild, beneficial ketosis is achieved. Blood glucose levels are stabilized within a normal range and there is no break-down of healthy muscle tissue. See this link for more info... http://www.ketosis-ketoacidosis-difference.com/ I do not do the Atkin's Diet. I know a number of people who do but don't know any veggies who do. Instead, I use my variation of " The Soy Zone " diet. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 Hello, everyone, My name is Ann, and I'm feeling a little dismayed at some things I read today. At another group, a woman posted a list of medical studies, pro and con, about the raw foods diet. One of the negatives was that they found an increase in dental cavities in long-term raw foodists. Another negative from a noted nutritionist stated that eventually raw foodists begin to " waste " . The diet depletes the pancreas' enzymes and makes the adrenals weak, which, alon with many other nasty things, can eventually make the person's cholesterol levels in crease. As I already have pancreas, adrenal, and dental problems, I certainly don't want to make them any worse. I got on this diet because it just seemed so right for me. I don't know if I can go back to cooked food now. Also, a well-recognized macrobiotic book states that too many raw foods makes a person slow-witted and hazy. I've been suffering from that since I got on the diet 1 1/2 mos. ago. How long can I expect that to last. Thanks to anyone who can answer. Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 Ann, There more bunk out there than I care to read. Your noted nutritionist should be tested for his knowledge. Please ask him how cooking food improves the quality of the nutrients of particular foods. If he can name say ten foods which are enhanced in terms of health by cooking which do not set out from a starting point of being poisonous in the first place, then I am sure he will rock this forum to its foundations. I predict that we will all learn from the experience. Sure massive amounts of citric acid will rot your teeth. So too will huge quantities of nuts. I wonder how much good cooking an overdose of anything will do. Looking forward to some interesting reading. Just as a matter of interest, I am visiting a dietician, MD, with a degree in microbiology who is performing all kinds of tests. If there are adrenal or pancreatic or cholesterol or any other weaknesses I will be back here to find out what to do about them. When people are asked to guess my age by looking at me, they usually get it wrong by 20 years and I feel fine. Five years ago, neither was the case. Peter arjaxaa [arjax] 25 May 2003 02:04 rawfood [Raw Food] more questions Hello, everyone, My name is Ann, and I'm feeling a little dismayed at some things I read today. At another group, a woman posted a list of medical studies, pro and con, about the raw foods diet. One of the negatives was that they found an increase in dental cavities in long-term raw foodists. Another negative from a noted nutritionist stated that eventually raw foodists begin to " waste " . The diet depletes the pancreas' enzymes and makes the adrenals weak, which, alon with many other nasty things, can eventually make the person's cholesterol levels in crease. As I already have pancreas, adrenal, and dental problems, I certainly don't want to make them any worse. I got on this diet because it just seemed so right for me. I don't know if I can go back to cooked food now. Also, a well-recognized macrobiotic book states that too many raw foods makes a person slow-witted and hazy. I've been suffering from that since I got on the diet 1 1/2 mos. ago. How long can I expect that to last. Thanks to anyone who can answer. Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 Hi Ann, There are plenty of naysayers out there on almost anything you can imagine. It is amazing that raw living foods that are full of enzymes would cause the pancreas to lose its enzymes. Just keep up your living food lifestyle and don't give those who profit from your declining health any space in your world. Seek out those who have been on this lifestyle for many years and follow their lead. Bill ---- rawfood Sunday, May 25, 2003 9:23:46 AM rawfood [Raw Food] more questions Hello, everyone, My name is Ann, and I'm feeling a little dismayed at some things I read today. At another group, a woman posted a list of medical studies, pro and con, about the raw foods diet. One of the negatives was that they found an increase in dental cavities in long-term raw foodists. Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 Peter, Thanks so much for sharing. I just needed some support from people. I am lucky enough to have a wonderfully sympathic husband, who's not ready to take the raw plunge yet, but I get so much negativity from all others. I do not live in an " enlightened " town. I know I feel better. I know I look better; everyone comments on the " glow " . I guess I was just at the point where I couldn't hear one more negative thing w/out some support, which you provided. Thanks, again, and let us know about your tests. Hope to heck you come back with a glowing report! Peace, Ann - Peter Gardiner rawfood Sunday, May 25, 2003 10:00 AM RE: [Raw Food] more questions Ann, There more bunk out there than I care to read. Your noted nutritionist should be tested for his knowledge. Please ask him how cooking food improves the quality of the nutrients of particular foods. If he can name say ten foods which are enhanced in terms of health by cooking which do not set out from a starting point of being poisonous in the first place, then I am sure he will rock this forum to its foundations. I predict that we will all learn from the experience. Sure massive amounts of citric acid will rot your teeth. So too will huge quantities of nuts. I wonder how much good cooking an overdose of anything will do. Looking forward to some interesting reading. Just as a matter of interest, I am visiting a dietician, MD, with a degree in microbiology who is performing all kinds of tests. If there are adrenal or pancreatic or cholesterol or any other weaknesses I will be back here to find out what to do about them. When people are asked to guess my age by looking at me, they usually get it wrong by 20 years and I feel fine. Five years ago, neither was the case. Peter arjaxaa [arjax] 25 May 2003 02:04 rawfood [Raw Food] more questions Hello, everyone, My name is Ann, and I'm feeling a little dismayed at some things I read today. At another group, a woman posted a list of medical studies, pro and con, about the raw foods diet. One of the negatives was that they found an increase in dental cavities in long-term raw foodists. Another negative from a noted nutritionist stated that eventually raw foodists begin to " waste " . The diet depletes the pancreas' enzymes and makes the adrenals weak, which, alon with many other nasty things, can eventually make the person's cholesterol levels in crease. As I already have pancreas, adrenal, and dental problems, I certainly don't want to make them any worse. I got on this diet because it just seemed so right for me. I don't know if I can go back to cooked food now. Also, a well-recognized macrobiotic book states that too many raw foods makes a person slow-witted and hazy. I've been suffering from that since I got on the diet 1 1/2 mos. ago. How long can I expect that to last. Thanks to anyone who can answer. Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 Bill, Thanks for the positive message. Sometimes a girl just needs some encouragement! Please read note to Peter, also. Thanks! Ann - Bill Tinsley rawfood Sunday, May 25, 2003 10:02 AM Re: [Raw Food] more questions Hi Ann, There are plenty of naysayers out there on almost anything you can imagine. It is amazing that raw living foods that are full of enzymes would cause the pancreas to lose its enzymes. Just keep up your living food lifestyle and don't give those who profit from your declining health any space in your world. Seek out those who have been on this lifestyle for many years and follow their lead. Bill ---- rawfood Sunday, May 25, 2003 9:23:46 AM rawfood [Raw Food] more questions Hello, everyone, My name is Ann, and I'm feeling a little dismayed at some things I read today. At another group, a woman posted a list of medical studies, pro and con, about the raw foods diet. One of the negatives was that they found an increase in dental cavities in long-term raw foodists. Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 Hmmmmm. 1 1/2 months and feeling slow-witted and hazy? I spent about 4 months like that in the beginning, although I had good days in there as well, just enough to keep me motivated. Detox is no fun, but you will get through it! I have heard that over-eating citrus fruit is not good for your teeth. However, I do not eat much fruit, and very little citrus, and have not had problems as yet. I can't comment on the pancreatic enzyme stuff, but I would suggest waiting until the major detoxing is done and seeing how you feel. Doesn't that tell you more than blah blah blah about enzymes? I feel great most of the time, and I am relatively cleaned out, but I will admit I am not a perfect raw fooder and I do eat some cooked, although usually at least vegetarian. I have also done some really stupid things since going mostly raw, like eating something very obviously not raw or vegetarian and paid the price - felt like crap and once even threw it up about 4 hours later. My body, in this relatively cleaned out state, knows what is good for it and what isn't. What a great thing! Hang in there, it will get better, Sally rawfood , " arjaxaa " <arjax@c...> wrote: > Hello, everyone, > > My name is Ann, and I'm feeling a little dismayed at some things I > read today. At another group, a woman posted a list of medical > studies, pro and con, about the raw foods diet. One of the negatives > was that they found an increase in dental cavities in long-term raw > foodists. > > Another negative from a noted nutritionist stated that eventually raw > foodists begin to " waste " . The diet depletes the pancreas' enzymes > and makes the adrenals weak, which, alon with many other nasty > things, can eventually make the person's cholesterol levels in crease. > > As I already have pancreas, adrenal, and dental problems, I certainly > don't want to make them any worse. I got on this diet because it > just seemed so right for me. I don't know if I can go back to cooked > food now. > > Also, a well-recognized macrobiotic book states that too many raw > foods makes a person slow-witted and hazy. I've been suffering from > that since I got on the diet 1 1/2 mos. ago. How long can I expect > that to last. > > Thanks to anyone who can answer. > > Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 Hi Sally, I range between 75% and 100% raw everyday. I'm sure I will slip at some point, but for right now it makes me ill to think of eating cooked food. With this kind of encouragement, I'll deinitely let my body be the judge. Thank you so much, Ann - sallyannaz rawfood Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:45 PM [Raw Food] Re: more questions Hmmmmm. 1 1/2 months and feeling slow-witted and hazy? I spent about 4 months like that in the beginning, although I had good days in there as well, just enough to keep me motivated. Detox is no fun, but you will get through it! I have heard that over-eating citrus fruit is not good for your teeth. However, I do not eat much fruit, and very little citrus, and have not had problems as yet. I can't comment on the pancreatic enzyme stuff, but I would suggest waiting until the major detoxing is done and seeing how you feel. Doesn't that tell you more than blah blah blah about enzymes? I feel great most of the time, and I am relatively cleaned out, but I will admit I am not a perfect raw fooder and I do eat some cooked, although usually at least vegetarian. I have also done some really stupid things since going mostly raw, like eating something very obviously not raw or vegetarian and paid the price - felt like crap and once even threw it up about 4 hours later. My body, in this relatively cleaned out state, knows what is good for it and what isn't. What a great thing! Hang in there, it will get better, Sally rawfood , " arjaxaa " <arjax@c...> wrote: > Hello, everyone, > > My name is Ann, and I'm feeling a little dismayed at some things I > read today. At another group, a woman posted a list of medical > studies, pro and con, about the raw foods diet. One of the negatives > was that they found an increase in dental cavities in long-term raw > foodists. > > Another negative from a noted nutritionist stated that eventually raw > foodists begin to " waste " . The diet depletes the pancreas' enzymes > and makes the adrenals weak, which, alon with many other nasty > things, can eventually make the person's cholesterol levels in crease. > > As I already have pancreas, adrenal, and dental problems, I certainly > don't want to make them any worse. I got on this diet because it > just seemed so right for me. I don't know if I can go back to cooked > food now. > > Also, a well-recognized macrobiotic book states that too many raw > foods makes a person slow-witted and hazy. I've been suffering from > that since I got on the diet 1 1/2 mos. ago. How long can I expect > that to last. > > Thanks to anyone who can answer. > > Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2003 Report Share Posted May 26, 2003 Ann, On the pancreas. Seemingly the human pancreas is much developed compared with other species of mammals. This is so that extra enzymes can be produced to break down the cooked foods. Of course the job is still done badly as much of the chemistry of cooking still does not get processed. In fact it often shifts into fat cells which linger around until they are detoxed out. Thus when you go on the raw diet you give the pancreas a rest and it can start getting back to the size nature refined it for in the first place. So your noted nutritionist observed correctly when he said that pancreatic size reduces. That part is right. Very likely that his other objective observations are correct. Where he falls over is in his subjective considerations are shoddy. I doubt whether he draw much of a line between a vegetarian who has a cooked pasta dinner for example and a raw foodist. After all in both cases, protein meat is absent. A simple vegetarian can easily get into the mess as he described. We get the flack and feel he is talking misguided bunk. Human misunderstanding is a rich area. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2003 Report Share Posted May 26, 2003 Hello to all I'm new to the list, as well as relatively new to the raw foods movement, but I couldn't stand to lurk anymore after reading this post. To all the nutrionists and dieticians and everyone who has advice about the dangers of eating raw food, I would ask them what diet they recommend. It is very easy to say you shouldn't eat this or that but try getting a positive recommendation from any of them and see what they say. In all liklihood they will recommend a diet of " moderation " with meat, dairy, and grains included, despite the mountain of evidence indicting these foods as a major contributor of poor health. These " health " practitioners will rarely criticize the standard American diet but instead recommend vitamins, pills, and other supplements instead of changes to the diet. I'm sorry to rant but it amazes me how many of these people malign the raw food diet but don't do the same for diets based on meats, grains and dairy that have had thousands of studies conducted which more than prove their unhealthful side effects. If they were to do so, what would be left for us to eat at all? Allan " Radical changes require radical methods " - Raw1811 The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2003 Report Share Posted May 26, 2003 Allan, Glad you are aboard. I think that dieticians have to accommodate conventional wisdom to stay in business which is where they are. Saying the truth would lose them customers so fast that they would have to close down. Then they would be in an even worst state of malnutrition. That is the reality so try to be kind to them. Peter raw agent [raw1811] 26 May 2003 17:38 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Re: more questions Hello to all I'm new to the list, as well as relatively new to the raw foods movement, but I couldn't stand to lurk anymore after reading this post. To all the nutrionists and dieticians and everyone who has advice about the dangers of eating raw food, I would ask them what diet they recommend. It is very easy to say you shouldn't eat this or that but try getting a positive recommendation from any of them and see what they say. In all liklihood they will recommend a diet of " moderation " with meat, dairy, and grains included, despite the mountain of evidence indicting these foods as a major contributor of poor health. These " health " practitioners will rarely criticize the standard American diet but instead recommend vitamins, pills, and other supplements instead of changes to the diet. I'm sorry to rant but it amazes me how many of these people malign the raw food diet but don't do the same for diets based on meats, grains and dairy that have had thousands of studies conducted which more than prove their unhealthful side effects. If they were to do so, what would be left for us to eat at all? Allan " Radical changes require radical methods " - Raw1811 The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2003 Report Share Posted May 26, 2003 Hi Allan: Welcome and good post. Remember nutritionists feed off the system and preach the system using the 4 food groups. But note that the 4 food group posters are put out by the dairy foundation. Go figure. rusty - " raw agent " <raw1811 <rawfood > Monday, May 26, 2003 8:38 AM Re: [Raw Food] Re: more questions > Hello to all > I'm new to the list, as well as relatively new to the raw foods movement, but I couldn't stand to lurk anymore after reading this post. > > To all the nutrionists and dieticians and everyone who has advice about the dangers of eating raw food, I would ask them what diet they recommend. It is very easy to say you shouldn't eat this or that but try getting a positive recommendation from any of them and see what they say. In all liklihood they will recommend a diet of " moderation " with meat, dairy, and grains included, despite the mountain of evidence indicting these foods as a major contributor of poor health. These " health " practitioners will rarely criticize the standard American diet but instead recommend vitamins, pills, and other supplements instead of changes to the diet. > > I'm sorry to rant but it amazes me how many of these people malign the raw food diet but don't do the same for diets based on meats, grains and dairy that have had thousands of studies conducted which more than prove their unhealthful side effects. If they were to do so, what would be left for us to eat at all? > > Allan > > " Radical changes require radical methods " - Raw1811 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2003 Report Share Posted May 26, 2003 >One of the negatives was that they found an increase in dental >cavities in long-term raw foodists. As so many fruits are picked under-ripe, they tend to be more acidic and may cause more erosion of the teeth. I have noticed more sensitivity in my teeth when eating a lot of citrus and especially when eating pineapple. Like citrus, they are picked prematurely for shipping. Something I have noticed, which seems to benefit the teeth is the way I eat my salads. In recent months I have eaten more mono and more simply. When I eat salad greens without dressings of any kind ( " dry " ) the sensitivity of my teeth decreased! In the past, when I flossed, it could be painful. Now, I may notice only minor sensitivity. It seems like my teeth are absorbing minerals directly from the greens. I have never noticed that when using dressings or oil, etc. It seems that dressings, etc. coat the greens and the teeth and prevent this exchange of minerals. (BTW, I usually eat organic mixed baby salad greens, " spring mix " ) I still eat some mixed (raw, vegan) foods, but try to eat at least one large " dry " salad a day for the health of my teeth. Has anyone else experienced this? >Another negative from a noted nutritionist stated that eventually raw >foodists begin to " waste " . The diet depletes the pancreas' enzymes >and makes the adrenals weak, which, along with many other nasty >things, can eventually make the person's cholesterol levels in crease. I've been 100% raw for over 2 years and have remained slender throughout, with basically no change in weight until recently. I dropped 2 or 3 pounds, now I am putting it back on with more muscle weight. I've noticed my body doesn't seem to have any need for adding fat weight. I believe that raw foodists' bodies just work more efficiently and know what they are doing! Consider just trusting your body and follow what you believe is right. Regarding the pancreas, like Peter mentioned, it seems that if the pancreas shrinks or has less enzymes, one obvious answer (overlooked by most,) is that the body obviously doesn't need them! >As I already have pancreas, adrenal, and dental problems, I certainly >don't want to make them any worse. I got on this diet because it >just seemed so right for me. I don't know if I can go back to cooked >food now. A lot of us have gotten onto this diet because it felt right. Once on the diet, we try to find what balance of foods is right for us, while allowing our body to clean out and readjust to a natural diet. It has been not only decades for many of us, since we ate " naturally " (at birth, though even that was not " natural " with mothers consuming a standard American diet,) but perhaps thousands of generations. " Nutrition " has never been an exact science and even among raw foodists, there are varying beliefs. Read, listen, and then do what you body ( & intuition) tells you! >Also, a well-recognized macrobiotic book states that too many raw >foods makes a person slow-witted and hazy. I've been suffering from >that since I got on the diet 1 1/2 mos. ago. How long can I expect >that to last. I had a lot of that even BEFORE going raw. I still have some, but it seems much better. I suspect heavy metals and other toxicity play a big part of that. I'm just allowing my body to do what it needs to detoxify. After decades of improper diet, it may take some time. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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