Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Sounds to me as if you are going through a strong detox. I'd suggest pacing yourself more. I need to do that. One day shopping or doing a lot of running around and I have to rest the next. BUT after a while on this regime I'm now getting stronger. Perhaps the toxins are running you somewhat ragged. Ups and downs happen. Keep on keeping on. Diane Rose and Fred Lieberman <pyrite wrote: Short version: I'm feeling depressed again. Long version: I've decided to expand the vegan diet to include much more live/raw foods. I'm also juicing daily with carrot, celery and wheatgrass. Just started adding wheatgrass three days ago. For the past few days, except for an evening meal, everything has been raw and/or live. For breakfast I've had a mixture of fruits and nuts - not dried, but fresh. Lunch has been a huge salad with lettuce, cabbage, carrot, dandelion, scallion, tomato, mushroom, along with various nuts and seeds, such as walnuts, almonds, pumpkin and sunflower. I top it off with a very little bit of Italian dressing. Everything is certified organic, including the dressing. The evening meal is either a stir-fry or a light pasta dish, but no heavy sauces or frying things beyond recognition. Now, over the past few days I've dropped a few pounds (yay!), gotten headaches which seem to be now subsiding, a runny nose which is also now subsiding; but now all of a sudden - DEPRESSION! This I need like a hole in the head. I'm also feeling like all I want to do is eat steak, cake, junk food, and just anything that doesn't outrun me! Those feelings are not unknown to me, unfortunately. I've lived my life by them and that's why I started this new lifestyle at 250! So, is this revisited depression a symptom of detox, like the headaches and the runny nose? Or is it something else? Is it my body saying I'm not taking in enough calories and my mind is translating it into other images? Now, something else happened. We went out the day before yesterday and yesterday to do some shopping. I don't do well with " store air " and I always react. Plus I'm a bit hypoglycemic and when we go on these jaunts I usually end up eating when I get home - a longer wait than I should have. I noticed that one days on a shopping jaunt was OK. But two days in a row and I end up like this: depressed. What's the scoop? Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 A few things could be happening here, Rose, but should be temporary. Detox of course and something called retracing. This is where the body remembers the toxic effect when you stored the toxin and when it is eliminated the symptoms return until the toxin is cleared. Generally it happens in reverse order to when you took the toxins in. Latest dump first, and the long time stores dump last. Also there may be some candida overrun that is now being threatened. Candida acts like a single organism sometimes when threatened and fights back at your attempts to put it in its place. These depression symptoms would fit in. If you get discouraged and are about to quit raw food, try 500 mg. of Niacinimide [synthetic vitamin B3] first. If your symptoms disappear, get back to me and I'll give you the protocol. You mentioned some hypoglycemia so this could also be insulin resistance symptoms. If you are now eating more carbs than before in relation to fats and proteins this could increase insulin resistance. If however you are eating fewer carbs, and more fiber, the insulin resistance may be retreating and until your body's cells adjust, these temporay symtoms happen. For more on this check out: http://www.syndrome-x.com/ rusty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 A few things could be happening here, Rose, but should be temporary. Detox of course and something called retracing. This is where the body remembers the toxic effect when you stored the toxin and when it is eliminated the symptoms return until the toxin is cleared. Generally it happens in reverse order to when you took the toxins in. Latest dump first, and the long time stores dump last. Also there may be some candida overrun that is now being threatened. Candida acts like a single organism sometimes when threatened and fights back at your attempts to put it in its place. These depression symptoms would fit in. If you get discouraged and are about to quit raw food, try 500 mg. of Niacinimide [synthetic vitamin B3] first. If your symptoms disappear, get back to me and I'll give you the protocol. You mentioned some hypoglycemia so this could also be insulin resistance symptoms. If you are now eating more carbs than before in relation to fats and proteins this could increase insulin resistance. If however you are eating fewer carbs, and more fiber, the insulin resistance may be retreating and until your body's cells adjust, these temporay symtoms happen. For more on this check out: http://www.syndrome-x.com/ rusty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Hi Rose, I don't think you said if you were prone to depression before, but I always have been, and I do remember going through a particularly severe episode shortly after going raw. It did lift, however, it took several days. For me, exercise always helps with depression. You might be interested in a book by Dr. Gabriel Cousens, called Depression Free for Life. He claims to have alleviated many people's depression through diet and supplementation, mainly with amino acids. I have been following many of his suggestions with success. Good luck, Sally Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. http://calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Rusty, thanks so much for that information. Retracing makes so much sense. But I gotta tell ya - I'm 55 years old with decades of eating abuse under my elastic waist. I'll be dead before my body " un-remembers " everything! I say that half in jest, but it does give me pause. Am I in for a long seige? I will try the niacinamide and see what happens. I'll let you know. A little while ago today the depression got to a very bad place, a place I never go to. I'm having trouble snapping out of it. I'll be fine, but it's a very bad feeling. However, other than the psychological/emotional " stuff " - I'm actually feeling much, much, much better physically. Thanks again for your help. Retracing really rings a bell for me. Later, Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Hey, Diana. Thanks for the support. It's good to know someone has gone through it and came out the other end. Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Sally, I do believe I have been prone to depression. And, like you, have just recently experienced a bad spell of it not too long into going raw. But today? I feel very good. I feel calm and centered, not anxious. More in the " now. " (Eckhart Tolle would be proud). And as I understand more about retracing (Thanks, Rusty), these periods of calm should be more often and longer lasting. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if my life-long depression and anxiety were/are completely diet related. Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Rose, Lifelong depression could very well indeed be diet related. I healed myself of 6 and half years of depression and panic attacks by going on a raw food diet. Now I’ve never been happier. Life is such a joy and pleasure. At a raw food support group meeting tonight, I just went around and shook everyone’s hands. I felt so much joy I wanted to share it. (A warm sunny day also had something to do with it :-).) Instead of depression, I have joy. All my life I thought it was supposed to be a struggle. Now it’s simple and full of happiness. We would have much less fighting and fear if everyone went on a healthy raw food diet. Roger Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100% Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske, the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and http://www.superbeing.com <http://www.superbeing.com/> . Go to http://www.superbeingdiet.com <http://www.superbeingdiet.com%20/> to learn how to go 100% RAW. Rose and Fred Lieberman [pyrite] Monday, June 02, 2003 5:47 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Is this detox? Sally, I do believe I have been prone to depression. And, like you, have just recently experienced a bad spell of it not too long into going raw. But today? I feel very good. I feel calm and centered, not anxious. More in the " now. " (Eckhart Tolle would be proud). And as I understand more about retracing (Thanks, Rusty), these periods of calm should be more often and longer lasting. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if my life-long depression and anxiety were/are completely diet related. Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Rose, Depression is one of the many possible symptoms of detoxification. Years ago I suffered depression but it all went permanently when I changed diet and started walking for an hour a day. Personally I think the walk is more important than the diet. I suspect that no depression could survive the brisk walk and the diet change. Peter Roger Haeske [roger] 03 June 2003 06:32 rawfood RE: [Raw Food] Is this detox? Rose, Lifelong depression could very well indeed be diet related. I healed myself of 6 and half years of depression and panic attacks by going on a raw food diet. Now I've never been happier. Life is such a joy and pleasure. At a raw food support group meeting tonight, I just went around and shook everyone's hands. I felt so much joy I wanted to share it. (A warm sunny day also had something to do with it :-).) Instead of depression, I have joy. All my life I thought it was supposed to be a struggle. Now it's simple and full of happiness. We would have much less fighting and fear if everyone went on a healthy raw food diet. Roger Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100% Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske, the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and http://www.superbeing.com <http://www.superbeing.com/> . Go to http://www.superbeingdiet.com <http://www.superbeingdiet.com%20/> to learn how to go 100% RAW. Rose and Fred Lieberman [pyrite] Monday, June 02, 2003 5:47 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Is this detox? Sally, I do believe I have been prone to depression. And, like you, have just recently experienced a bad spell of it not too long into going raw. But today? I feel very good. I feel calm and centered, not anxious. More in the " now. " (Eckhart Tolle would be proud). And as I understand more about retracing (Thanks, Rusty), these periods of calm should be more often and longer lasting. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if my life-long depression and anxiety were/are completely diet related. Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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