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Sounds to me as if you are going through a strong detox. I'd suggest pacing

yourself more. I need to do that. One day shopping or doing a lot of running

around and I have to rest the next. BUT after a while on this regime I'm now

getting stronger. Perhaps the toxins are running you somewhat ragged. Ups and

downs happen. Keep on keeping on.

 

Diane

 

Rose and Fred Lieberman <pyrite wrote:

Short version: I'm feeling depressed again.

 

Long version: I've decided to expand the vegan diet to include much more

live/raw foods. I'm also juicing daily with carrot, celery and wheatgrass.

Just started adding wheatgrass three days ago.

 

For the past few days, except for an evening meal, everything has been raw

and/or live.

 

For breakfast I've had a mixture of fruits and nuts - not dried, but fresh.

 

Lunch has been a huge salad with lettuce, cabbage, carrot, dandelion,

scallion, tomato, mushroom, along with various nuts and seeds, such as

walnuts, almonds, pumpkin and sunflower. I top it off with a very little

bit of Italian dressing. Everything is certified organic, including the

dressing.

 

The evening meal is either a stir-fry or a light pasta dish, but no heavy

sauces or frying things beyond recognition.

 

Now, over the past few days I've dropped a few pounds (yay!), gotten

headaches which seem to be now subsiding, a runny nose which is also now

subsiding; but now all of a sudden - DEPRESSION! This I need like a hole in

the head. I'm also feeling like all I want to do is eat steak, cake, junk

food, and just anything that doesn't outrun me!

 

Those feelings are not unknown to me, unfortunately. I've lived my life by

them and that's why I started this new lifestyle at 250!

 

So, is this revisited depression a symptom of detox, like the headaches and

the runny nose? Or is it something else? Is it my body saying I'm not

taking in enough calories and my mind is translating it into other images?

 

Now, something else happened. We went out the day before yesterday and

yesterday to do some shopping. I don't do well with " store air " and I

always react. Plus I'm a bit hypoglycemic and when we go on these jaunts I

usually end up eating when I get home - a longer wait than I should have. I

noticed that one days on a shopping jaunt was OK. But two days in a row and

I end up like this: depressed.

 

What's the scoop?

 

Rose

 

 

 

 

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A few things could be happening here, Rose, but should be temporary.

Detox of course and something called retracing. This is where the body

remembers the toxic effect when you stored the toxin and when it is

eliminated the symptoms return until the toxin is cleared. Generally it

happens in reverse order to when you took the toxins in. Latest dump first,

and the long time stores dump last.

 

Also there may be some candida overrun that is now being threatened.

Candida acts like a single organism sometimes when threatened and fights

back at your attempts to put it in its place. These depression symptoms

would fit in.

 

If you get discouraged and are about to quit raw food, try 500 mg. of

Niacinimide [synthetic vitamin B3] first. If your symptoms disappear, get

back to me and I'll give you the protocol.

 

You mentioned some hypoglycemia so this could also be insulin resistance

symptoms.

If you are now eating more carbs than before in relation to fats and

proteins this could increase insulin resistance.

If however you are eating fewer carbs, and more fiber, the insulin

resistance may be retreating and until your body's cells adjust, these

temporay symtoms happen. For more on this check out:

http://www.syndrome-x.com/

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A few things could be happening here, Rose, but should be temporary.

Detox of course and something called retracing. This is where the body

remembers the toxic effect when you stored the toxin and when it is

eliminated the symptoms return until the toxin is cleared. Generally it

happens in reverse order to when you took the toxins in. Latest dump first,

and the long time stores dump last.

 

Also there may be some candida overrun that is now being threatened.

Candida acts like a single organism sometimes when threatened and fights

back at your attempts to put it in its place. These depression symptoms

would fit in.

 

If you get discouraged and are about to quit raw food, try 500 mg. of

Niacinimide [synthetic vitamin B3] first. If your symptoms disappear, get

back to me and I'll give you the protocol.

 

You mentioned some hypoglycemia so this could also be insulin resistance

symptoms.

If you are now eating more carbs than before in relation to fats and

proteins this could increase insulin resistance.

If however you are eating fewer carbs, and more fiber, the insulin

resistance may be retreating and until your body's cells adjust, these

temporay symtoms happen. For more on this check out:

http://www.syndrome-x.com/

rusty

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Hi Rose,

I don't think you said if you were prone to depression

before, but I always have been, and I do remember

going through a particularly severe episode shortly

after going raw. It did lift, however, it took

several days. For me, exercise always helps with

depression.

 

You might be interested in a book by Dr. Gabriel

Cousens, called Depression Free for Life. He claims

to have alleviated many people's depression through

diet and supplementation, mainly with amino acids. I

have been following many of his suggestions with

success.

 

Good luck,

Sally

 

 

 

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Rusty, thanks so much for that information. Retracing makes so much sense.

But I gotta tell ya - I'm 55 years old with decades of eating abuse under my

elastic waist. I'll be dead before my body " un-remembers " everything! I

say that half in jest, but it does give me pause. Am I in for a long seige?

 

I will try the niacinamide and see what happens. I'll let you know.

 

A little while ago today the depression got to a very bad place, a place I

never go to. I'm having trouble snapping out of it. I'll be fine, but it's

a very bad feeling. However, other than the psychological/emotional

" stuff " - I'm actually feeling much, much, much better physically.

 

Thanks again for your help. Retracing really rings a bell for me.

 

Later,

 

Rose

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Sally, I do believe I have been prone to depression. And, like you, have

just recently experienced a bad spell of it not too long into going raw.

 

But today? I feel very good. I feel calm and centered, not anxious. More

in the " now. " (Eckhart Tolle would be proud).

 

And as I understand more about retracing (Thanks, Rusty), these periods of

calm should be more often and longer lasting.

 

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if my life-long depression and anxiety

were/are completely diet related.

 

Rose

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Rose,

 

Lifelong depression could very well indeed be diet related. I healed

myself of 6 and half years of depression and panic attacks by going on a

raw food diet. Now I’ve never been happier. Life is such a joy and

pleasure. At a raw food support group meeting tonight, I just went

around and shook everyone’s hands. I felt so much joy I wanted to share

it. (A warm sunny day also had something to do with it :-).)

 

Instead of depression, I have joy. All my life I thought it was supposed

to be a struggle. Now it’s simple and full of happiness. We would have

much less fighting and fear if everyone went on a healthy raw food diet.

 

Roger

 

Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now

you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100%

Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske,

the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and

http://www.superbeing.com <http://www.superbeing.com/> . Go to

http://www.superbeingdiet.com <http://www.superbeingdiet.com%20/> to

learn how to go 100% RAW.

 

 

Rose and Fred Lieberman [pyrite]

Monday, June 02, 2003 5:47 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Is this detox?

 

Sally, I do believe I have been prone to depression. And, like you,

have

just recently experienced a bad spell of it not too long into going raw.

 

But today? I feel very good. I feel calm and centered, not anxious.

More

in the " now. " (Eckhart Tolle would be proud).

 

And as I understand more about retracing (Thanks, Rusty), these periods

of

calm should be more often and longer lasting.

 

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if my life-long depression and anxiety

were/are completely diet related.

 

Rose

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Rose,

 

Depression is one of the many possible symptoms of detoxification.

Years

ago I suffered depression but it all went permanently when I changed

diet and

started walking for an hour a day. Personally I think the walk is more

important than the diet. I suspect that no depression could survive

the brisk walk and the diet change.

 

Peter

 

 

Roger Haeske [roger]

03 June 2003 06:32

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Is this detox?

 

 

Rose,

 

Lifelong depression could very well indeed be diet related. I healed

myself of 6 and half years of depression and panic attacks by going on a

raw food diet. Now I've never been happier. Life is such a joy and

pleasure. At a raw food support group meeting tonight, I just went

around and shook everyone's hands. I felt so much joy I wanted to share

it. (A warm sunny day also had something to do with it :-).)

 

Instead of depression, I have joy. All my life I thought it was supposed

to be a struggle. Now it's simple and full of happiness. We would have

much less fighting and fear if everyone went on a healthy raw food diet.

 

Roger

 

Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now

you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100%

Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske,

the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and

http://www.superbeing.com <http://www.superbeing.com/> . Go to

http://www.superbeingdiet.com <http://www.superbeingdiet.com%20/> to

learn how to go 100% RAW.

 

 

Rose and Fred Lieberman [pyrite]

Monday, June 02, 2003 5:47 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Is this detox?

 

Sally, I do believe I have been prone to depression. And, like you,

have just recently experienced a bad spell of it not too long into going

raw.

 

But today? I feel very good. I feel calm and centered, not anxious.

More in the " now. " (Eckhart Tolle would be proud).

 

And as I understand more about retracing (Thanks, Rusty), these periods

of calm should be more often and longer lasting.

 

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if my life-long depression and anxiety

were/are completely diet related.

 

Rose

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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