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Rose,

 

5 days out of 55 years is less than 1 tenth of 1 % of your life. (5 out of

(55x365=20,075) = 0.000249 = .025 % of your life. It took 55 years to

become 250 pounds. You probably want to lose 100, or so? After 5 days,

..025% of 100 is .025 pounds. So assuming you lose at around the same rate

you gained, you should have lost around a fifth of a tenth of a pound by

now.

 

Okay, I'm a bit analytical (it's my nature.) But the summary of all that

math is: " give it more time, the weight will come off! "

 

Stationary bikes, by the way, are boring. Even with a TV on. Hey, it's

spring! Find your local trail and walk there.

 

All the best,

 

Margie

 

On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Rose and Fred Lieberman wrote:

 

> I know I'm in for a fairly long healing journey. After all, it's years of

> abuse, I'm 55, I weigh close to 250 lbs. Thankfully, I have no health

> problems to speak of, except the obesity. (No HBP, no intestinal/digestive

> ailments, no metabolic disorders, etc.)

>

> The first week I went raw I lost 5 lbs. As I'm detox'g, I've gone through

> lots of aches, pains, etc., but now, after exposing myself to various toxic

> environments, I find myself steadily gaining a half-pound per day for the

> past five days. I've now gained back half the weight I lost that first

> week.

>

> Shopping two days in a row, exposure to newspapers, etc. - they all cause me

> some grief. But it is so damned discouraging to be eating correctly, going

> through the retracing process, feeling better more often - just to gain

> weight. I mean, it's not like I'm a size 8. Weight loss means a lot to me

> and I'm not getting there. I bought a stationary bike and am up to 2 miles

> per day, and I plan to keep going.

>

> Is weight loss at the end of this healing process for me? My head says:

> " Well, of course it is " , but the scale mocks me and pushes all the right

> buttons!

>

> Aside from that, yesterday was a very good day for me depression-wise,

> although in the evening my appetite started to run amuck - I believe I

> wasn't really hungry, I believe it was memory.

>

> But this weight thing!

>

> Rose

>

>

>

>

>

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Rose:

The weight will fluctuate as water content comes and goes...Stick with it,

you will be amazed at your progress. In the meantime we should all distance

ourselves from the media and the news from time to time. Talk about

depressing.

Rob

 

 

 

 

> But this weight thing!

>

> Rose

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I know I'm in for a fairly long healing journey. After all, it's years of

abuse, I'm 55, I weigh close to 250 lbs. Thankfully, I have no health

problems to speak of, except the obesity. (No HBP, no intestinal/digestive

ailments, no metabolic disorders, etc.)

 

The first week I went raw I lost 5 lbs. As I'm detox'g, I've gone through

lots of aches, pains, etc., but now, after exposing myself to various toxic

environments, I find myself steadily gaining a half-pound per day for the

past five days. I've now gained back half the weight I lost that first

week.

 

Shopping two days in a row, exposure to newspapers, etc. - they all cause me

some grief. But it is so damned discouraging to be eating correctly, going

through the retracing process, feeling better more often - just to gain

weight. I mean, it's not like I'm a size 8. Weight loss means a lot to me

and I'm not getting there. I bought a stationary bike and am up to 2 miles

per day, and I plan to keep going.

 

Is weight loss at the end of this healing process for me? My head says:

" Well, of course it is " , but the scale mocks me and pushes all the right

buttons!

 

Aside from that, yesterday was a very good day for me depression-wise,

although in the evening my appetite started to run amuck - I believe I

wasn't really hungry, I believe it was memory.

 

But this weight thing!

 

Rose

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> But this weight thing!

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Plateaus, Rose. Don't concern yourself with slight weight gains. 5 pounds

could simply be water retention or as you are doing a bit of exercise you

might be gaining muscle and not fat. The detoxing/retracing process works

in plateaus. Nothing for a few days then a major dump, then no symptoms for

a while and suddenly you'll feel toxic for a while etc. The good news about

detoxifying is that the toxins are stored in the fat cells so as you

detoxify you burn fat and as you burn fat you detoxify.

But beware of counter atacks, depression, discouragement, sudden cravings

etc. Your body's set point wants to return to the comfort zone, and it

takes a while to re set to a new lower set point. When you feel hunger just

give your body a fat snack. That is, say to your stomach and digestive

system, " Help yourself to the fat stores " . And feel the fat being eaten up.

That little hunger pain is a simple " Chomp " of fat being eaten.

And most important, ***get this weight thing out of your mind and STOP

LOSING WEIGHT***. Your subconscious will seek to find that which you LOSE.

Visualize the size you desire to be as a goal and then " LIGHTEN UP " . Put

your scales away for a while and when you fit size 10 then weigh yourself.

We manifest what we focus on, [what you resist will persist because your

focus is on what you are resisting, in this case weight] so if you change

your focus from losing weight to lightening up, the process becomes

positive..

rusty.

 

 

 

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" Rose and Fred Lieberman " <pyrite

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Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:38 AM

[Raw Food] So discouraging...

 

 

> I know I'm in for a fairly long healing journey. After all, it's years of

> abuse, I'm 55, I weigh close to 250 lbs. Thankfully, I have no health

> problems to speak of, except the obesity. (No HBP, no intestinal/digestive

> ailments, no metabolic disorders, etc.)

>

> The first week I went raw I lost 5 lbs. As I'm detox'g, I've gone through

> lots of aches, pains, etc., but now, after exposing myself to various

toxic

> environments, I find myself steadily gaining a half-pound per day for the

> past five days. I've now gained back half the weight I lost that first

> week.

>

> Shopping two days in a row, exposure to newspapers, etc. - they all cause

me

> some grief. But it is so damned discouraging to be eating correctly,

going

> through the retracing process, feeling better more often - just to gain

> weight. I mean, it's not like I'm a size 8. Weight loss means a lot to

me

> and I'm not getting there. I bought a stationary bike and am up to 2

miles

> per day, and I plan to keep going.

>

> Is weight loss at the end of this healing process for me? My head says:

> " Well, of course it is " , but the scale mocks me and pushes all the right

> buttons!

>

> Aside from that, yesterday was a very good day for me depression-wise,

> although in the evening my appetite started to run amuck - I believe I

> wasn't really hungry, I believe it was memory.

>

> But this weight thing!

>

> Rose

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If you don't have any health problems, what drew you to Raw Foods?

Was it weightloss? Something else? Combination of things? I hate

scales, I would throw it away (or atleast hide it for a month)

Right now I think your scale could do more harm than good.

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Monte asked: " If you don't have any health problems, what drew you to Raw

Foods?

Was it weightloss? Something else? Combination of things? "

 

What drew me to raw foods, vegan, etc. is my increasing reactivity to the

environment - newspapers, store air, etc. I really didn't come to it with

weight loss in mind, but I figured that it would happen as a byproduct.

 

Unfortunately, weight loss doesn't seem to be a consistent byproduct - at

least not yet.

 

So, I decided that the morning eggs (something I really didn't want to do

anyway) gotta go. But I'm feeling that protein is a real problem in my diet

and maybe that's why water weight isn't being lost. So, I'll go toward

tofu - maybe make a morning smoothie with it, or an afternoon light

stir-fry.

 

But I'm trying to be vegan and mostly raw/live.

 

The weight loss is only a concern as a barometer of my overall body's

function. If I gain weight steadily - that is NOT a good sign. That could

mean any number of things, from my reaction to the environment, to a

weakened heart muscle, to Goddess knows what.

 

Anyway, it was my environmental reactivity that caused me to go to the

organic vegan and live/raw foods.

 

Rose

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