RE: Blood test

[Guest guest]

Doug,

 

The test result is as you predicted. There was a muted warning warning

about protein and albumin, plus three or

four other points which may be of general interest.

 

The only mineral deficiency is zinc. It seem that comes from meat and

fish!

 

In the biochemistry of the lipids, the cholesterol is low but the

lipoprotein(a)reads 136 mg/dL when a " normal or desirable level is 0 -

30 mg/dL. That leaves me puzzled as to what action to take.

 

Omega 6 oil readings are about half what they should be. Whereas I have

read in American medical articles that the desirable ratio of Omega 3 :

Omega 6 is 1:1, this medic says 1:5 is fine but most people have a ratio

nearer 1:20

 

The homocystine level looks to be well over the top too. It read 24.3

when the recommended maximum level is 16 umol/L

 

Creatine reads 23 when it should read 50-250 mg/dL

 

The upshot is that I am recommended fermented Soya, rape seed and borage

oil, pulses and quinoa. I will take a zinc supplement, sprouted pulses

and quinoa but am hesitant Soya and rape.

 

It all comes printed out on four pages of what seems to me, esoteric

terminology.

 

On the bright side there are no warnings about being dehydrated.

 

If anyone can throw light on my concerns, please go ahead.

 

Peter

 

 

kauguy [no_reply ]

09 June 2003 15:39

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: How should I Make the most of grapefruit

 

 

 

Peter;

 

Keep in mind that when the results of your blood test come back, you

will most likely be told there is something wrong. What is

considered " normal " is in fact normal (average) for cooked foodists I

am sure you will at least be told you are low in protein and a

specific protein, albumin. Which is the blood form of mucus. In the

past raw foodists were killed, Christ, Joan of Arch, and the so

called Pagans (which were actually naturalists living on fruits on

seeds) and we are still condemned today.

 

Doug

 

 

 

rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...>

wrote:

> Doug,

>

> There is constriction of the flow of blood through my legs. I

manifest

> the symptoms

> known as claudication. According to my specialist cardio-vascular

> surgeon, I probably have Buergers disease and if not

aetherosclerosis.

> Either way it means plaque in the arteries. The plague is that it

> persists so long.

>

> I cannot run but I can now walk about 4.5 miles in an hour. One

doctor

> tells me that the body creates new arteries, another tells me that

I am

> a lot more healthy than I was. When I had the diagnosis I was

still on

> the wicked old ways

> and all that has changed. Blood pressure and cholesterol are low.

My GP

> says, " Whatever you are eating is great - no need for drugs with

your

> blood counts " .

>

> A first fast of 15 days is good. I did fasts of 2 days and five days

> before a 14 day fast and then went on to a 28 day fast after a

break of

> about 6 months. It certainly does lift one to a higher level of

> confidence and self control. The reassurance that you are in

control of

> your own body is tremendous. Those who see themselves at being at

the

> point of starvation if they miss a meal, simply have not lived.

>

> Tomorrow I get to see a French dietician who has sent about a pint

of my

> blood in small test tubes to be analysed. The results are in. When I

> told her what I eat, she thought I was some kind of maniac set out

on a

> path of self denial, destined to suffer chronic malnutrition and

> certainly in need of dietary counselling - or so it was written on

her

> face. I had to reassure her that if I knew so much about diet, I

would

> not be in her office.

>

> " A demain " as we say here

>

> Peter

>

>

>

> kauguy [no_reply ]

> 09 June 2003 06:43

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: How should I Make the most of grapefruit

>

>

> Peter;

>

> How do you know that you have plaque in your arteries? Do you have

> high blood pressure, or high cholesterol? I would think that your

> fast would have wiped it out. Remember, plaque is a symptom not the

> cause of the problem. You are already dealing with the cause. By

the

> way, I ended my fast, made it 15 days. I came off on apples which

are

> best according to Arnold Ehret. I believe that fasting is the next

> level after raw foods, and I plan to make it a part of my life.

>

> Doug

>

>

>

> rawfood , " Peter Gardiner "

<petergardiner@e...>

> wrote:

> > Interesting question!

> >

> > I have an article which extols the qualities of grapefruit pectin

> for

> > reducing the plaque in arteries.

> > The cur is to eat two a day - shins and all. I am sceptical as

the

> > medical profession do not seem to know about this phenomenon. It

> > seems a Dr. Cerda has mixed up a potion which he

> calls

> > Profibe. If I thought such a product were as useful as Health

> Services

> > Institute says, I might go for it anyway.

> >

> > Somewhere I read that grapefruits are not all that wonderful for

the

> > health.

> >

> > I would like to know forum thoughts on the subject

> >

> > Peter

> >

> >

> > gclah2002 [no_reply ]

> > 06 June 2003 22:07

> > rawfood

> > [Raw Food] How should I Make the most of grapefruit

> >

> >

> > Anyone have any suggestions for enjoying grapefruit as a meal--

> snack?

> > and using most of it without waste? (including skins?) thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

What are pulses?

 

Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote:Doug,

 

" The upshot is that I am recommended fermented Soya, rape seed and borage

oil, pulses and quinoa. I will take a zinc supplement, sprouted pulses

and quinoa but am hesitant Soya and rape. "

[Guest guest]

Don't use rape [canola], use flax oil and EV Olive oil. of the best blend

I've found is UDO's Choice put out by Flora.

 

For soy always use fermented or sprouted soy. All the down sides of soy

disappear during ferment or sprouting. Miso soup is great.

Omega 3 should exceed Omega 6 by just a little.

rusty

[Guest guest]

Sounds to me like you're not getting enough sun. Zinc is an airborne mineral,

and Omega 6 is a complex compound which your body can build from other minerals.

Where do you live?

[Guest guest]

Peter, the only recommendation I would have is to search for a vegan and/or

raw foodist physician who knows blood chemistry. Otherwise, I think you'll

end up being jerked around by bits and pieces of scattered knowledge.

 

Try a google search or your local health food store. Folks there might know

of a physician who eats the way you do.

 

Rose

[Guest guest]

What is called " legumes " in America, I think. Peas, lentils, beans,

chick peas, etc

 

 

Patty Foley [livingenergy2002]

10 June 2003 14:52

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Blood test

 

 

What are pulses?

 

Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote:Doug,

 

" The upshot is that I am recommended fermented Soya, rape seed and

borage oil, pulses and quinoa. I will take a zinc supplement, sprouted

pulses and quinoa but am hesitant Soya and rape. "

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Rose, a good idea.

 

Peter

 

 

Rose and Fred Lieberman [pyrite]

10 June 2003 18:21

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Blood test

 

 

Peter, the only recommendation I would have is to search for a vegan

and/or raw foodist physician who knows blood chemistry. Otherwise, I

think you'll end up being jerked around by bits and pieces of scattered

knowledge.

 

Try a google search or your local health food store. Folks there might

know of a physician who eats the way you do.

 

Rose

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Rusty,

 

Please expound for me the detrimentals of rape seed oil (which is also known as

canola?). Just curious as the attributes of this oil.

 

Thanks.

 

TEV

 

Rusty <rustym wrote:

Don't use rape [canola], use flax oil and EV Olive oil. of the best blend

I've found is UDO's Choice put out by Flora.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Rusty,

 

Fermenting is a choice which I would rather avoid.

 

I used to eat quite a lot of sprouted mung beans - then I read it is

full of estrogens - now I eat it only occasionally. I'd resent being

addressed as " Madame " on the telephone.

 

Lin seed I have. It is a bit of a nuisance as it needs to be kept in

the dark to preserve the Omega 3 oil. If I put it in the fridge, it

gets be too cold to sprout. In fact I have never managed to sprout it:

I just soak it for 12 hours or so. I prefer the notion of sprouting to

the alternative of grinding it as the latter does not kill off the

enzyme inhibitors. What is the current best thought on what to do with

lin seed?

 

EV Olive oil. Is this truly raw? What does EV stand for?

 

Am still mulling over the root cause of the high lipoprotein(a) reading.

I have eaten a few coconuts over the past few weeks and I now read they

are taboo in this area.

 

 

Peter

 

 

Rusty [rustym]

10 June 2003 17:39

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Blood test

 

 

Don't use rape [canola], use flax oil and EV Olive oil. of the best

blend I've found is UDO's Choice put out by Flora.

 

For soy always use fermented or sprouted soy. All the down sides of soy

disappear during ferment or sprouting. Miso soup is great. Omega 3

should exceed Omega 6 by just a little. rusty

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>EV Olive oil. Is this truly raw? What does EV stand for?

-

Extra virgin, [first pressing] Buy the cold pressed form so no heat

breakdown

Estrogens per se are not bad. Just as there are good fats and bad fats,

there are bad estrogens and good estrogens. Your body is full of them. And

the same for proteins. Some can kill and some can build.

rusty

[Guest guest]

Thanks Frank

 

I live in Brussels, temperate Europe, and the winter is over so I now go

in the sun quite a bit. I live in the city centre and there is a thin

film of dirt that lands every day. Which minerals are required for the

building of Omega 6?

 

Peter

 

 

Frank " Gopal " Cohen [jack-ss]

10 June 2003 18:16

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Blood test

 

 

Sounds to me like you're not getting enough sun. Zinc is an airborne

mineral, and Omega 6 is a complex compound which your body can build

from other minerals. Where do you live?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...>

wrote:

> The only mineral deficiency is zinc. It seem that comes from meat

and

> fish!

 

Peter: Nuts and seeds contain zinc!

Brazil nuts 4.59 mg per 100 gr.

Sesame seeds (unhulled) 7.75 mg per 100 gr.

 

-Nan

[Guest guest]

That, I don't know. Which is why I take a solution of colloidal minerals that

have at least 12 differesnt minerals. But mineral use can't be fully achieved

without sunlight. That much I know.

 

 

-

Peter Gardiner

rawfood

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:19 AM

RE: [Raw Food] Blood test

 

 

Thanks Frank

 

I live in Brussels, temperate Europe, and the winter is over so I now go

in the sun quite a bit. I live in the city centre and there is a thin

film of dirt that lands every day. Which minerals are required for the

building of Omega 6?

 

Peter

 

 

[Guest guest]

> and Omega 6 is a complex compound which your body can build from other

minerals. Where do you live?

-

Hi Frank Do you have new studies I can look at.

My information was that Omega 6 is an essential fatty acid. Essential

meaning your body CANNOT make it from other fats. And omega 6 is a fat not a

mineral.

rusty

 

 

-

" Frank " Gopal " Cohen " <jack-ss

<rawfood >

Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:16 AM

Re: [Raw Food] Blood test

 

 

> Sounds to me like you're not getting enough sun. Zinc is an airborne

mineral, and Omega 6 is a complex compound which your body can build from

other minerals. Where do you live?

 

[Guest guest]

Canola oil can be OK if you cold press it yourself and use it immediately..

It breaks down very quickly into undesireable fatty acids. In it's freshest

form it's a good source of Omega 6 with some Omega 3.

Bretter to use flax as it's Omega 3 - 6 ratio is greater and it's more

stable.

Your health food store may carry a brand called Udo's Choice which is a

blend of Omega 3 and 6 oils in the exact balance the body can use. It was

formulated by Dr. Udo Erasmus, author of Fats that Heal: Fats that Kill.

http://www.udoerasmus.com/

rusty

-

" tev treowlufu " <goraw808

<rawfood >

Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:03 AM

Re: [Raw Food] Blood test

 

 

> Rusty,

>

> Please expound for me the detrimentals of rape seed oil (which is also

known as canola?). Just curious as the attributes of this oil.

>

> Thanks.

>

> TEV

>

> Rusty <rustym wrote:

> Don't use rape [canola], use flax oil and EV Olive oil. of the best blend

> I've found is UDO's Choice put out by Flora.

>

[Guest guest]

> Peter: Nuts and seeds contain zinc!

> Brazil nuts 4.59 mg per 100 gr.

> Sesame seeds (unhulled) 7.75 mg per 100 gr.

>

> -Nan

Exactly Nan, and they also contain the trace mineral selenium which is an

anti oxidant and reqrired for a healthy

cardio-vascular system.

rsusty

-

" nanna_mi " <no_reply >

<rawfood >

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:48 AM

Re: [Raw Food] Blood test

 

 

> rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...>

> wrote:

> > The only mineral deficiency is zinc. It seem that comes from meat

> and

> > fish!

>

> Peter: Nuts and seeds contain zinc!

> Brazil nuts 4.59 mg per 100 gr.

> Sesame seeds (unhulled) 7.75 mg per 100 gr.

>

> -Nan

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nina,

 

Sometimes I find Brazil nut in the UK but they are often old and dry.

 

Over here in Europe I only find them shelled and that involves heat

to crack the shells with cooked results.

 

By contrast the sesame looks interesting especially with the numbers.

It seems that to keep pace with the supplement, I would need 200 grams

per day.

 

I suspect that the absorption will be better and the body will sniff out

the

zinc if it really needs it!

 

In a way I was thinking that other long term raw foodists and especially

those

who are here for health reasons might have similar blood tests and that

something

constructive might come out of sharing some of the salient points.

 

 

Peter

 

 

nanna_mi [no_reply ]

11 June 2003 10:49

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Blood test

 

 

rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...>

wrote:

> The only mineral deficiency is zinc. It seem that comes from meat

and

> fish!

 

Peter: Nuts and seeds contain zinc!

Brazil nuts 4.59 mg per 100 gr.

Sesame seeds (unhulled) 7.75 mg per 100 gr.

 

-Nan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Frank I do the same; I put 20 drops colloidals into 1 gallon distilled

water and leave the glass jar of water in the sunlight for 4 hours.

I've lost the link but I've seen microscpoe images and electronic renderings

of how the water becomes energized following this process.

20 drops colloidals should take care of your daily trace mineral

requirements, that's why I use distilled water to start so the finished

prduct has exactly the right amount of energized minerals.

Locally they are sold as 'liquid trace minerals'.

rusty

>

>

[Guest guest]

Frank

 

I share the view that the sun is good in lots of ways.

I have chosen the path of taking no supplements and then

getting the blood test to target the deficiencies. The only

mineral that is sticking out badly is zinc. Hopefully my root is

shorter.

 

To those who bleat to me about my " weird diet " . I can say that although

my diet is

low on carbohydrate, protein and fats, my blood test I have only a zinc

deficiency and a few items

to " optimise on " as my nutritionist says. I can then ask them what their

tests show up!

 

Peter

 

 

 

Frank " Gopal " Cohen [jack-ss]

11 June 2003 10:52

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Blood test

 

 

That, I don't know. Which is why I take a solution of colloidal minerals

that have at least 12 differesnt minerals. But mineral use can't be

fully achieved without sunlight. That much I know.

 

 

-

Peter Gardiner

rawfood

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:19 AM

RE: [Raw Food] Blood test

 

 

Thanks Frank

 

I live in Brussels, temperate Europe, and the winter is over so I now

go

in the sun quite a bit. I live in the city centre and there is a thin

film of dirt that lands every day. Which minerals are required for

the

building of Omega 6?

 

Peter

 

 

[Guest guest]

Peter and others:

 

Here is a page listing nutrient levels in different foods. You can

find out how much zinc for instance there is in most foods. For

instance one raw apple contains .07 milligrams of zinc. Sunflower

seeds seem to have quite a bit of zinc as well.

 

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR15/wtrank/wt_rank.html

 

If the above URL doesn't work, you can try this shorter one.

 

http://tinyurl.com/e3f1

 

Unfortunately, they don't have all foods listed in their raw state.

Check it out though. Very interesting.

 

Roger

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Roger,

 

Looks like fast food is the place to get zinc in abundance. No wonder I

am short.

 

Another point on my test which I did not draw attention to is that the

level of insulin

in my blood is 2 mu International Units / ml when the normal is

somewhere between 3 and 22.

 

More evidence that the raw diet gives the pancreas a rest.

 

Peter

 

 

Roger [roger]

12 June 2003 01:31

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Blood test

 

 

Peter and others:

 

Here is a page listing nutrient levels in different foods. You can

find out how much zinc for instance there is in most foods. For

instance one raw apple contains .07 milligrams of zinc. Sunflower

seeds seem to have quite a bit of zinc as well.

 

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR15/wtrank/wt_rank.html

 

If the above URL doesn't work, you can try this shorter one.

 

http://tinyurl.com/e3f1

 

Unfortunately, they don't have all foods listed in their raw state.

Check it out though. Very interesting.

 

Roger

 

Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it?

Now you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on

a 100% Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach,

Roger Haeske, the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite

Tennis and http://www.superbeing.com. Go to

http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn how to go 100% RAW.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/12/03 4:58:28 AM, rawfood writes:

 

<< Most

supplements are not whole food supplements and are not good >>

 

This might be true in some cases depending on quality and quanity! Now I do

not understand why no responses favorably towards alfalfa. It is wonderful

stuff for everyone except for those that have lupus.

 

Alfalfa is a whole food. This web site is PACK with excellent information.

 

http://www.purlife.com

[Guest guest]

Hey Rusty,

I'm sorry, I don't have specific studies for this that I can send you to,

but I can tell you the paper trail of my raw food journey. I've studied all the

writings of Viktoras Kulvinskas, Dr. Ann Whigmore, and Dr. Arnold Ehret.

Somewhere there I heard the info regarding Omega 6 compounds.

As far as I remember, Omega 6 is an essential fatty acid produced by mammals

or aquatic animals, hence the meat-eater's argument for eating fish or chicken.

But if one has the proper vitamins and minerals in one's diet, their own body

should produce it, just as a chicken or fish does. Hope that helps.

 

Cheers,

Frank

 

 

 

-

Rusty

rawfood

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:08 AM

Re: [Raw Food] Blood test

 

 

> and Omega 6 is a complex compound which your body can build from other

minerals. Where do you live?

-

Hi Frank Do you have new studies I can look at.

My information was that Omega 6 is an essential fatty acid. Essential

meaning your body CANNOT make it from other fats. And omega 6 is a fat not a

mineral.

rusty