Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 As requested, I saved only the portion of Peter's reply that pertains to these comments. I was wondering: what type of zinc supplement have you found, and what you think of the imbalances you may create in your body as Douglas Graham believes would be the result of your taking a supplement? Brian Clemment of the Hippocrates Health Institute states: " Most supplements are not whole food supplements and are not good. They are made of chemicals and are a waste. However, the use of whole food supplements will help when someone is ill. It will also help someone who is healthy and an athelete. When I talk about whole food supplements, I am talking about living food supplements. " Dr. Doug Graham states: " Nutritionists estimate that more than 2/3rds of all the nutrents on the planet have yet to be discovered. They know that all nutrients work in a coordinated fashion with at least 8 to 10 others. The simple math of this indicates that anytime we take a supplement, we are definiately creating imbalances with at least 5 to 10 other nutritional factors, and then in turn, 25 to 100 more. " Miko rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > The test result is as you predicted. There was a muted warning warning > about protein and albumin, plus three or > four other points which may be of general interest. > > The only mineral deficiency is zinc. It seem that comes from meat and > fish! > The upshot is that I am recommended fermented Soya, rape seed and borage > oil, pulses and quinoa. I will take a zinc supplement, sprouted pulses > and quinoa but am hesitant Soya and rape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Thanks Miko, The supplement I have is made by Herbaxt Laboratories in France with the name bio-zinc. It says that there is vitamin b6 and vitamin B6 mixed with it to assist absorption. Since I have no deficiencies in those other areas that advantage of those added vitamins may be minimal. There is talk of amino acid proline. I have been taking it for 2 days now and suspect that the positive effect is more than placebo. I will stop taking it when I have a better alternative. I doubt that one little pill will inflict much harm in the short term and I will stop it like so many other things if I find myself slipping. Somehow I have by artificial means become depleted in zinc and am not totally deaf to the medical profession. I await your opinions Peter Miko (Kobasigawa) Nelson [miko_nelson] 11 June 2003 04:27 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Blood test and zinc supplement As requested, I saved only the portion of Peter's reply that pertains to these comments. I was wondering: what type of zinc supplement have you found, and what you think of the imbalances you may create in your body as Douglas Graham believes would be the result of your taking a supplement? Brian Clemment of the Hippocrates Health Institute states: " Most supplements are not whole food supplements and are not good. They are made of chemicals and are a waste. However, the use of whole food supplements will help when someone is ill. It will also help someone who is healthy and an athelete. When I talk about whole food supplements, I am talking about living food supplements. " Dr. Doug Graham states: " Nutritionists estimate that more than 2/3rds of all the nutrents on the planet have yet to be discovered. They know that all nutrients work in a coordinated fashion with at least 8 to 10 others. The simple math of this indicates that anytime we take a supplement, we are definiately creating imbalances with at least 5 to 10 other nutritional factors, and then in turn, 25 to 100 more. " Miko rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > The test result is as you predicted. There was a muted warning warning > about protein and albumin, plus three or four other points which may > be of general interest. > > The only mineral deficiency is zinc. It seem that comes from meat and > fish! > The upshot is that I am recommended fermented Soya, rape seed and > borage oil, pulses and quinoa. I will take a zinc supplement, sprouted > pulses and quinoa but am hesitant Soya and rape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 I do find that the reference link given by Roger a preferable long-term way to allow the body to assimilate the zinc and whatever else as been eaten away from the body by harmful substances from the past diet. Is this what you mean by " artificial means? " Someone else in this forum asked you recently if you weren't pretty clean from your fasts now. In this light, your body may be able to regain its zinc quickly. About your having taken the supplement for 2 days, what is the " positive effect " you mention more specifically? I have a personal concern about supplements that they are just another thing my body has to detox and my liver is already overworked enough.(I won't insist about it, and this is just an aside: after my first month raw and I was dreadfully fatigued, I did take vitamin B supplements for less than a month and seemingly became relieved of this. The fatigue was bound to go away at some point, along with the maladies. At the time, I felt that my body was so unclean, it might be incapable of assimilating what it needed from the good food I was eating, so I followed this hunch and took the B supplements.) Miko rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > Somehow I have by artificial means become depleted in zinc and am not > totally deaf to the medical profession. > I await your opinions > > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Miko, The positive effect of the zinc is that I feel physical strength returning. As though body or muscle mass might go up. It is still soon to tell. What I mean by " artificial " means is some deviation from a healthy diet. A natural diet should not give me a deficit. Now I look at the Lists Roger has shown me, I can see that a SAD diet provides enough zinc to redo the roof in a short space of time. I think there is enough zinc about in seeds but I have deliberately been eating few of them in recent months. It could be the absorption will improve with time anyway and it could be that the kick start of the dietician is a better idea. Normally I do not take dietary supplements in the form of pills so I experience little of the bad effects of them. It is now a long time since I have been on a long fast. It could be that I start a fast towards the autumn for a week or so to see whether any detoxification takes place but I suspect that there is not much to clear out. Peter Miko (Kobasigawa) Nelson [miko_nelson] 12 June 2003 06:13 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Blood test and zinc supplement I do find that the reference link given by Roger a preferable long-term way to allow the body to assimilate the zinc and whatever else as been eaten away from the body by harmful substances from the past diet. Is this what you mean by " artificial means? " Someone else in this forum asked you recently if you weren't pretty clean from your fasts now. In this light, your body may be able to regain its zinc quickly. About your having taken the supplement for 2 days, what is the " positive effect " you mention more specifically? I have a personal concern about supplements that they are just another thing my body has to detox and my liver is already overworked enough.(I won't insist about it, and this is just an aside: after my first month raw and I was dreadfully fatigued, I did take vitamin B supplements for less than a month and seemingly became relieved of this. The fatigue was bound to go away at some point, along with the maladies. At the time, I felt that my body was so unclean, it might be incapable of assimilating what it needed from the good food I was eating, so I followed this hunch and took the B supplements.) Miko rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > Somehow I have by artificial means become depleted in zinc and am not > totally deaf to the medical profession. I await your opinions > > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Peter; Read your post 3824 again you said " Roger has shown me, I can see that a SAD diet provides enough zinc to redo the roof in a short space of time. " That's it, your zinc levels are based on the levels of a cooked fooder (considered normal by the medical establishment). Just a thought. Doug rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > Miko, > > The positive effect of the zinc is that I feel physical strength > returning. As though body or muscle mass might go up. > It is still soon to tell. > > What I mean by " artificial " means is some deviation from a healthy diet. > A natural diet should not give me a deficit. Now I look at the Lists > Roger has shown me, I can see that a SAD diet provides enough zinc to > redo the roof in a short space of time. I think there is enough zinc > about in seeds but I have deliberately been eating few of them in recent > months. > > It could be the absorption will improve with time anyway and it could be > that the kick start of the dietician is a better idea. > > Normally I do not take dietary supplements in the form of pills so I > experience little of the bad effects of them. > > It is now a long time since I have been on a long fast. It could be > that I start a fast towards the autumn for a week or so to see whether > any detoxification takes place but I suspect that there is not much to > clear out. > > Peter > > > Miko (Kobasigawa) Nelson [miko_nelson@h...] > 12 June 2003 06:13 > rawfood > [Raw Food] Re: Blood test and zinc supplement > > > I do find that the reference link given by Roger a preferable long- term > way to allow the body to assimilate the zinc and whatever else as been > eaten away from the body by harmful substances from the past diet. Is > this what you mean by " artificial means? " > > Someone else in this forum asked you recently if you weren't pretty > clean from your fasts now. In this light, your body may be able to > regain its zinc quickly. About your having taken the supplement for 2 > days, what is the " positive effect " you mention more specifically? > > I have a personal concern about supplements that they are just another > thing my body has to detox and my liver is already overworked enough.(I > won't insist about it, and this is just an aside: after my first month > raw and I was dreadfully fatigued, I did take vitamin B supplements for > less than a month and seemingly became relieved of this. The fatigue was > bound to go away at some point, along with the maladies. At the time, I > felt that my body was so unclean, it might be incapable of assimilating > what it needed from the good food I was eating, so I followed this hunch > and took the B supplements.) > > Miko > > rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> > wrote: > > > Somehow I have by artificial means become depleted in zinc and am not > > totally deaf to the medical profession. I await your opinions > > > > Peter > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Doug, I guess it depends to some extent upon the perceived low level. It could be a statistic based upon a percentile of the population or it could be where problems or deficiency symptoms creep in. Irony is that another supplement I have for vitamin B6 and B12 to reduce homocystine levels is playing havoc with my kidneys! I need a medic who understands that raw foodists react differently from the toxicities Peter kauguy [no_reply ] 20 June 2003 12:04 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Blood test and zinc supplement Peter; Read your post 3824 again you said " Roger has shown me, I can see that a SAD diet provides enough zinc to redo the roof in a short space of time. " That's it, your zinc levels are based on the levels of a cooked fooder (considered normal by the medical establishment). Just a thought. Doug rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > Miko, > > The positive effect of the zinc is that I feel physical strength > returning. As though body or muscle mass might go up. It is still soon > to tell. > > What I mean by " artificial " means is some deviation from a healthy diet. > A natural diet should not give me a deficit. Now I look at the Lists > Roger has shown me, I can see that a SAD diet provides enough zinc to > redo the roof in a short space of time. I think there is enough zinc > about in seeds but I have deliberately been eating few of them in recent > months. > > It could be the absorption will improve with time anyway and it could be > that the kick start of the dietician is a better idea. > > Normally I do not take dietary supplements in the form of pills so I > experience little of the bad effects of them. > > It is now a long time since I have been on a long fast. It could be > that I start a fast towards the autumn for a week or so to see whether > any detoxification takes place but I suspect that there is not much to > clear out. > > Peter > > > Miko (Kobasigawa) Nelson [miko_nelson@h...] > 12 June 2003 06:13 > rawfood > [Raw Food] Re: Blood test and zinc supplement > > > I do find that the reference link given by Roger a preferable long- term > way to allow the body to assimilate the zinc and whatever else as been > eaten away from the body by harmful substances from the past diet. Is > this what you mean by " artificial means? " > > Someone else in this forum asked you recently if you weren't pretty > clean from your fasts now. In this light, your body may be able to > regain its zinc quickly. About your having taken the supplement for 2 > days, what is the " positive effect " you mention more specifically? > > I have a personal concern about supplements that they are just another > thing my body has to detox and my liver is already overworked enough.(I > won't insist about it, and this is just an aside: after my first month > raw and I was dreadfully fatigued, I did take vitamin B supplements for > less than a month and seemingly became relieved of this. The fatigue was > bound to go away at some point, along with the maladies. At the time, I > felt that my body was so unclean, it might be incapable of assimilating > what it needed from the good food I was eating, so I followed this hunch > and took the B supplements.) > > Miko > > rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> > wrote: > > > Somehow I have by artificial means become depleted in zinc and am not > > totally deaf to the medical profession. I await your opinions > > > > Peter > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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