Cooked Addiction

[Guest guest]

Cooked food is a nasty addiction. I believe we need to always remind

ourselves that it is an addiction. David Wolf called it " The mother

of all addictions " . Victoria Boutenko " Addiction to cooked food is

harder and stronger than any other addiction, In most of the books on

drugs they say the earlier the drugs or chemical substance are taken,

the harder they are to get off. " Most of us began eating cooked foods

before our 1st birthday. We know addictions are passed from mother to

child before birth. We know this addiction to cooked food goes back,

mother through child at least 150,000 years. We have been addicted a

long time. Again Victoria Boutenko " I've seen 132 people who had

cancer, and they came to the health institute (CHI) and they felt

better. Their tumors shrank, and they decided to stay raw, they even

applied to new jobs and applied to college, but when they went home,

and Christmas came, they all failed. All of them died. They couldn't

stay on raw food. They left children and loved ones behind because

they couldn't resist the addiction to cooked food. That is the truth.

I know their names. I knew these people. I was teaching them how to

grow sprouts, I was talking to their families. Their families

supported them. But they couldn't resist their addiction to cooked

food and they died. I remember Cynthia from Michigan who had support

from her whole family. She was a schoolteacher. Her three sons told

her, " Mom we're going to make juice for you. Just stay on this raw

food diet and stay alive. " Her husband said, " Stay raw, we all

support you. " She couldn't stay on the raw food diet. Her cancer came

back. She died. Cooked food is addictive " .

 

Lets all take a look at how many people have joined this club over

the years. Go to our home page and look on the upper right hand side

of the page last count is says we have 590 members. Now look at the

posts for the last month or two. How many people are still here?

Again Victoria Boutenko " I asked Don Haughey, owner of CHI, if he had

done any research on how many of his guests actually stayed on the

raw diet after they went home? He paused for a long moment, sighed

and answered, " About 2%. When they go home they don't stay on the

diet, " I was mystified. " Do they chose to die? " I asked. He didn't

answer; a tear came down his cheek. "

 

I have Victoria's book " 12 steps to raw foods " . I believe this is a

must read for anyone even thinking about going raw, and if you really

want to get inspired get her video tape; " Is Raw Food For You? "

http://www.rawfamily.com/home.htm

 

I plan to stop telling people about the evils of protein. I'm sure

you are all tired of it anyway. But look out I am on the cooked food

addiction band wagon, and I'm beating my drum.

 

Doug

[Guest guest]

Well, on THAT note, I believe I'm ready to go all raw/live foods. To heck

with the evening stir-fry. I'm just not " feeling " right about it. Hubby

will continue to have it. I think he's " behaviorally addicted " to a cooked

meal. Me? I'm fine with a less structured approach. So, I'll just have

sprouts, nuts, seeds, fruit - all in the same dish! Woohoo!

 

Oh, baby! Livin' on the edge now, eh?

 

Thanks, Dave, for that thoroughly depressing e-mail about all those people

who came back home just to fall back on addictive habits and ended up dead

anyway.

 

When you say " addiction " , what sort of addiction are you speaking of?

Psychological, physiological, behavioral, etc?

 

I really do appreciate your input.

 

Rose

[Guest guest]

Doug,

 

A fine drum beat.

 

The malaise of the cooked food problem is a rumbling earthquake.

 

Back in the 50s when Spencer Tracy and Cary Grant were smoking

on films, smoking was a social grace. Now one can go to cocktail

parties where not a puff is to be seen. Who would have thought that

such a change could happen in 50 years.

 

Now we see " organic " food about. The term " junk food " has entered

circulation, even governments put out messages saying eat more fresh

fruit and vegetables.

 

I believe in the genius of raw foodism! And I make such a sweeping

judgement with circumspection.

 

The quality of genius is that it can be comprehended by all men.

The greatest geniuses were the religious leaders as their genius could

be understood by the greatest theologians and the simplest peasants all

on different levels. (read the parable of the Sewer) By now the

Christian

message is so strongly woven into Western society that we have Socialism

 

and a Welfare State which ironically often pretends to be atheistic...

The Genius of Beethoven is attested from Lord Yehudi Menuin to the

humblest

concert attendee.

 

The genius of raw foodism rests on a basic premise that long ago the

only thing

that humans could be made of was raw food. The whole human physiology

was based

on a raw diet and any fool can see that. I find that the moment I

deviate from

a raw diet, I get a warning. A sudden sneeze tells me that I sampled

some sauce

I was cooking. All my guests eat cooked food. And they are an unhealthy

lot.

The human body functions so well on a raw diet and is a disaster of

gigantic

proportions on a cooked diet.

 

The key to the origin of the addiction to cooked food lies in survival.

Coming

out of the garden of Eden which must have been somewhere such as Africa

where climate change forced exit and a change in lifestyle... And even

if that

were not the case another some other circumstance brought the change.

 

Now we are free to clear up the mess and just as any addiction has a

root cause

and an exit, I am convinced that in 50 or 100 years Raw food will be the

rule rather

than the exception. Then we will all be liberated.

 

Peter

 

 

 

kauguy [no_reply ]

04 July 2003 22:57

rawfood

[Raw Food] Cooked Addiction

 

 

 

Cooked food is a nasty addiction. I believe we need to always remind

ourselves that it is an addiction. David Wolf called it " The mother

of all addictions " . Victoria Boutenko " Addiction to cooked food is

harder and stronger than any other addiction, In most of the books on

drugs they say the earlier the drugs or chemical substance are taken,

the harder they are to get off. " Most of us began eating cooked foods

before our 1st birthday. We know addictions are passed from mother to

child before birth. We know this addiction to cooked food goes back,

mother through child at least 150,000 years. We have been addicted a

long time. Again Victoria Boutenko " I've seen 132 people who had

cancer, and they came to the health institute (CHI) and they felt

better. Their tumors shrank, and they decided to stay raw, they even

applied to new jobs and applied to college, but when they went home,

and Christmas came, they all failed. All of them died. They couldn't

stay on raw food. They left children and loved ones behind because

they couldn't resist the addiction to cooked food. That is the truth.

I know their names. I knew these people. I was teaching them how to

grow sprouts, I was talking to their families. Their families

supported them. But they couldn't resist their addiction to cooked

food and they died. I remember Cynthia from Michigan who had support

from her whole family. She was a schoolteacher. Her three sons told

her, " Mom we're going to make juice for you. Just stay on this raw

food diet and stay alive. " Her husband said, " Stay raw, we all

support you. " She couldn't stay on the raw food diet. Her cancer came

back. She died. Cooked food is addictive " .

 

Lets all take a look at how many people have joined this club over

the years. Go to our home page and look on the upper right hand side

of the page last count is says we have 590 members. Now look at the

posts for the last month or two. How many people are still here?

Again Victoria Boutenko " I asked Don Haughey, owner of CHI, if he had

done any research on how many of his guests actually stayed on the

raw diet after they went home? He paused for a long moment, sighed

and answered, " About 2%. When they go home they don't stay on the

diet, " I was mystified. " Do they chose to die? " I asked. He didn't

answer; a tear came down his cheek. "

 

I have Victoria's book " 12 steps to raw foods " . I believe this is a

must read for anyone even thinking about going raw, and if you really

want to get inspired get her video tape; " Is Raw Food For You? "

http://www.rawfamily.com/home.htm

 

I plan to stop telling people about the evils of protein. I'm sure

you are all tired of it anyway. But look out I am on the cooked food

addiction band wagon, and I'm beating my drum.

 

Doug

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Rose;

 

It had to happen sooner or later. Trying to be 90% raw, is like an

alcoholic trying to get by just drinking in the evening. It takes a

lot of courage to go 100%. Remember courage comes from joy. So take

every opportunity to make it fun. If you need support just let us

know that's what we are here for. The reason I posted that depressing

message about cooked food addiction, is because it is important to

know what kind of monster we are up against. You can't fight

something you have no knowledge of. When I first went raw I made a

lot of raw recipes. They are a lot of fun, don't be afraid to

experiment with them. My girl friend is also not raw. It bothered me

at first but you get used to it, now her food just stinks to me.

Victoria Boutenko says in her video " Is Raw Food For You " , that

cooked food is addictive on four levels, chemical, biological,

mental, and spiritual. I will watch the video again tomorrow and try

to be more specific, The good news is that; before she realized that

cooked food was an addiction. the seminars she was conducting were

100% failures, she called the people one month after the seminar and

100% had failed. Once she realized it was an addiction and was able

to make people aware that they were addicted. (most of us know

intellectually that we are addicted but have not discovered it in

ourselves) then her success rate rose to 100% success after one

month. In her seminars she doesn't try to convince people that they

are addicted. She helps them to discover it within themselves. She

has a questionnaire which I will post later, that helps in this

process. If I get time I will post it tomorrow. The first step in the

12 step program is to understand that we are addicted. But in the

meantime Rose; if you have problems let us know. You are not alone.

 

Doug

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " Rose and Fred Lieberman "

<pyrite@c...> wrote:

> Well, on THAT note, I believe I'm ready to go all raw/live foods.

To heck

> with the evening stir-fry. I'm just not " feeling " right about it.

Hubby

> will continue to have it. I think he's " behaviorally addicted " to

a cooked

> meal. Me? I'm fine with a less structured approach. So, I'll

just have

> sprouts, nuts, seeds, fruit - all in the same dish! Woohoo!

>

> Oh, baby! Livin' on the edge now, eh?

>

> Thanks, Dave, for that thoroughly depressing e-mail about all those

people

> who came back home just to fall back on addictive habits and ended

up dead

> anyway.

>

> When you say " addiction " , what sort of addiction are you speaking

of?

> Psychological, physiological, behavioral, etc?

>

> I really do appreciate your input.

>

> Rose

[Guest guest]

Doug and Rose,

 

A distinction between the cooked food addiction and others is that

benefits of withdrawal are very immediate. In 24 hours or less even

significant improvements in health can be felt. Others take a bit

longer

to come through.

 

Thus I have found there was no purgatory in moving over to the raw

diet as there is with most other addictions. That said, I do not deny

that a mild feeling of hunger lingered with me for quite a bit as the

body was obviously search around for the old poisons to get

carbohydrates,

for instance.

 

The trick I found was to over buy and then when the craving comes to

just

carry on eating. On a raw diet, general over eating is, I think,

difficult.

 

So have courage when you go the 100% raw there is no " cold turkey "

effect to fear.

 

Peter

 

 

 

kauguy [no_reply ]

06 July 2003 08:27

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Cooked Addiction

 

 

 

Rose;

 

It had to happen sooner or later. Trying to be 90% raw, is like an

alcoholic trying to get by just drinking in the evening. It takes a

lot of courage to go 100%. Remember courage comes from joy. So take

every opportunity to make it fun. If you need support just let us

know that's what we are here for. The reason I posted that depressing

message about cooked food addiction, is because it is important to

know what kind of monster we are up against. You can't fight

something you have no knowledge of. When I first went raw I made a

lot of raw recipes. They are a lot of fun, don't be afraid to

experiment with them. My girl friend is also not raw. It bothered me

at first but you get used to it, now her food just stinks to me.

Victoria Boutenko says in her video " Is Raw Food For You " , that

cooked food is addictive on four levels, chemical, biological,

mental, and spiritual. I will watch the video again tomorrow and try

to be more specific, The good news is that; before she realized that

cooked food was an addiction. the seminars she was conducting were

100% failures, she called the people one month after the seminar and

100% had failed. Once she realized it was an addiction and was able

to make people aware that they were addicted. (most of us know

intellectually that we are addicted but have not discovered it in

ourselves) then her success rate rose to 100% success after one

month. In her seminars she doesn't try to convince people that they

are addicted. She helps them to discover it within themselves. She

has a questionnaire which I will post later, that helps in this

process. If I get time I will post it tomorrow. The first step in the

12 step program is to understand that we are addicted. But in the

meantime Rose; if you have problems let us know. You are not alone.

 

Doug

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " Rose and Fred Lieberman "

<pyrite@c...> wrote:

> Well, on THAT note, I believe I'm ready to go all raw/live foods.

To heck

> with the evening stir-fry. I'm just not " feeling " right about it.

Hubby

> will continue to have it. I think he's " behaviorally addicted " to

a cooked

> meal. Me? I'm fine with a less structured approach. So, I'll

just have

> sprouts, nuts, seeds, fruit - all in the same dish! Woohoo!

>

> Oh, baby! Livin' on the edge now, eh?

>

> Thanks, Dave, for that thoroughly depressing e-mail about all those

people

> who came back home just to fall back on addictive habits and ended

up dead

> anyway.

>

> When you say " addiction " , what sort of addiction are you speaking

of?

> Psychological, physiological, behavioral, etc?

>

> I really do appreciate your input.

>

> Rose

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Doug. I'd love to hear more about that video.

 

Rose

[Guest guest]

Doug,

 

I was equally glad you posted about the cooked foods addiction. *And* that your

girlfriend is not raw. My family is not even vegetarian. My transition to

vegetarianism has been recent, though, so I don't blame them. Last night we

grilled burgers. I also grilled some veggies. My kids *threw away half their

hamburgers* and opted for grilled veggie sandwiches, instead. <smile> It's a

start.

 

It's difficult living with someone who craves what I consider to be junk to eat,

and then watch them complain about a weight problem. But since your post, I

look at it as an addiction and I'm not as judgmental. None of us is perfect,

but I feel SO much lighter, cleaner, more ALIVE on raw foods than I did before.

I pray my family will catch on.

 

My only concern is that I get enough of a variety. How can I be sure I am

getting all the vitamins and minerals I need? Do I need to be eating a large

variety of raw f/v? Also, what is a young coconut and how do you know if you've

got one. I read about this on another site.

 

Thanks,

Cathe

 

 

The reason I posted that depressing

message about cooked food addiction, is because it is important to

know what kind of monster we are up against. You can't fight

something you have no knowledge of. When I first went raw I made a

lot of raw recipes. They are a lot of fun, don't be afraid to

experiment with them. My girl friend is also not raw. It bothered me

at first but you get used to it, now her food just stinks to me.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Cathe,

 

I strongly suggest you read the book, Eat to Live. In it you'll see

strong evidence that you'll get every nutrient you need with a raw diet

consisting of mostly fruits and vegetables.

 

Keep in mind how the USRDA came into being. They just measured

relatively healthy people on a cooked food diet. Whatever levels of

nutrients they had in their bodies were what was then considered normal.

We'll have to come up with a vegetarian, vegan and raw foodist RDA.

 

That book will clear up many of your questions in a way to give you

complete confidence.

 

Roger

 

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you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100%

Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske,

the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and

http://www.superbeing.com <http://www.superbeing.com/> . Go to

http://www.superbeingdiet.com <http://www.superbeingdiet.com%20/> to

learn how to go 100% RAW.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Rose and Cathe;

 

First of all I think you ladies are fantastic. You have been raw for

such a short time and already you are reaching out to help others. I

think what you are doing is very spiritual. More on this later. Rose;

here is the web site for that video.

http://www.rawfamily.com/products.htm

 

Now about the levels of addiction; I was trying to write this down

while watching Victoria Boutenko's video Is Raw Food For You. Which

is HARD. But I think I got the gist of it.

 

" The first level is Chemical. All carbohydrates, after they are

cooked turn chemically into sucrose, white sugar. Sugar is the most

chemically addictive substance on earth. The chemical molecule of

sugar is very similar to the chemical molecule of cocaine. People

coming off cooked carbohydrates feel calmer and happier. Just as

people coming off cocaine. This is why the basis off all

international cuisine is cooked carbohydrates. In America its

potatoes, in Russia, bread, in Mexico, tortillas, Italy, pasta, etc.

This is only one chemical in cooked food. There is also caffeine,

chocolate, preservatives, in fact almost 2,000 addictive chemicals

in cooked and processed foods.

 

The second level is Biological. She talks about a book " Sacred wisdom

of the human body " by Dr. Alexander Zarmonoff. (I searched for this

book and couldn't find it.) Dr. Zarmonoff says that a cooked fooder

produces 2 gal of digestive juices per day. Compared to a raw fooder

which produces only 1 cup per day. If you are exposed to the sight,

smell, or taste of your favorite cooked food, your body will start to

pump these juices. This is a very uncomfortable feeling, you feel

tension, irritability, light headed even head ach and hunger pains.

You must have this food weather you have just eaten or not. When you

are looking at your favorite food and your body is salivating and

pumping fluids into your digestive system, you cannot command your

body to stop doing this. This is why willpower always fails.

 

The third level is Mental. When we experience stress, we need to eat

something comforting. We were taught this from childhood. Our parents

would give us something to eat if we were crying or upset. Eating

cooked food makes us mentally foggy and sleepy. We don't know how to

cope with our emotions without eating something cooked. Being alone

with our emotions and not having anything cooked to eat can be very

uncomfortable. This could actually lead us to spiritual discovery,

but we don't do that we eat instead.

 

The forth level is Spiritual. As human beings don't we feel special?

We feel special because we all have a spiritual mission in life. If

we don't follow our spiritual mission we begin to develop spiritual

pain. When we have everything we need, a place to live a car, family,

clothing, why are we not happy? When there is no need to feel sad, we

still can feel empty like something is not happening. We begin to

experience this spiritual pain more and more as we grow older. This

is why all 12 step programs are spiritual. "

 

I am an atheist. The only way I can be spiritual is to reach out to

help another human being. We all do just that in this club all the

time. Without knowing it we are already supporting each other. Which

is step 12 " I shall provide support to other raw fooders. "

 

Doug

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " Rose and Fred Lieberman "

<pyrite@c...> wrote:

> Thanks, Doug. I'd love to hear more about that video.

>

> Rose

[Guest guest]

soory but eating meat is not an adcation. our bodies are meant to eat

some meat. do you think way back in our cave man days we ate vegi yea do

 

you think we ate meat yep. I do belive alot fo meat is bad but also is

not eating me. look at alcia siverstone you can till unless they make up

 

her up that sh is pure vegi her skin is gostley white. and she looks

anarexic and unhealthy

 

 

[RH] The thinnest people are the longest lived and the healthiest. Maybe

your conception of health and what looks good is what is wrong? Also

when people are switching to a raw diet they'll often look worse at

first but as they recover their health they look increasingly better and

get younger looking.

 

Roger

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Doug,

 

Fascinating! Excellent. Informative.

 

Peter

 

 

kauguy [no_reply ]

07 July 2003 02:47

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Cooked Addiction

 

 

 

Rose and Cathe;

 

First of all I think you ladies are fantastic. You have been raw for

such a short time and already you are reaching out to help others. I

think what you are doing is very spiritual. More on this later. Rose;

here is the web site for that video.

http://www.rawfamily.com/products.htm

 

Now about the levels of addiction; I was trying to write this down

while watching Victoria Boutenko's video Is Raw Food For You. Which

is HARD. But I think I got the gist of it.

 

" The first level is Chemical. All carbohydrates, after they are

cooked turn chemically into sucrose, white sugar. Sugar is the most

chemically addictive substance on earth. The chemical molecule of

sugar is very similar to the chemical molecule of cocaine. People

coming off cooked carbohydrates feel calmer and happier. Just as

people coming off cocaine. This is why the basis off all

international cuisine is cooked carbohydrates. In America its

potatoes, in Russia, bread, in Mexico, tortillas, Italy, pasta, etc.

This is only one chemical in cooked food. There is also caffeine,

chocolate, preservatives, in fact almost 2,000 addictive chemicals

in cooked and processed foods.

 

The second level is Biological. She talks about a book " Sacred wisdom

of the human body " by Dr. Alexander Zarmonoff. (I searched for this

book and couldn't find it.) Dr. Zarmonoff says that a cooked fooder

produces 2 gal of digestive juices per day. Compared to a raw fooder

which produces only 1 cup per day. If you are exposed to the sight,

smell, or taste of your favorite cooked food, your body will start to

pump these juices. This is a very uncomfortable feeling, you feel

tension, irritability, light headed even head ach and hunger pains.

You must have this food weather you have just eaten or not. When you

are looking at your favorite food and your body is salivating and

pumping fluids into your digestive system, you cannot command your

body to stop doing this. This is why willpower always fails.

 

The third level is Mental. When we experience stress, we need to eat

something comforting. We were taught this from childhood. Our parents

would give us something to eat if we were crying or upset. Eating

cooked food makes us mentally foggy and sleepy. We don't know how to

cope with our emotions without eating something cooked. Being alone

with our emotions and not having anything cooked to eat can be very

uncomfortable. This could actually lead us to spiritual discovery,

but we don't do that we eat instead.

 

The forth level is Spiritual. As human beings don't we feel special?

We feel special because we all have a spiritual mission in life. If

we don't follow our spiritual mission we begin to develop spiritual

pain. When we have everything we need, a place to live a car, family,

clothing, why are we not happy? When there is no need to feel sad, we

still can feel empty like something is not happening. We begin to

experience this spiritual pain more and more as we grow older. This

is why all 12 step programs are spiritual. "

 

I am an atheist. The only way I can be spiritual is to reach out to

help another human being. We all do just that in this club all the

time. Without knowing it we are already supporting each other. Which

is step 12 " I shall provide support to other raw fooders. "

 

Doug

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " Rose and Fred Lieberman "

<pyrite@c...> wrote:

> Thanks, Doug. I'd love to hear more about that video.

>

> Rose

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dave,

 

Your argument is based upon the idea that eating meat once a week is

healthy.

If such were the case, then most surely we would all be flat out nuts.

 

I suspect that the person who told you that eating meat once a week was

good, knew

that meat eating in general is not a good idea. Alas he also know that

people

who eat just a convention plate of vegetables for each meal and some

fruit are

generally much better off with meat once a week.

 

You need to understand that here we do our counting differently. Two

slices of tomato with some

chopped parsley does not make a meal. Try a pound of spinach and treat

that as your meat.

Then add in an avocado or two, a couple of handfuls of sprouts and now

you are on the way to a meal.

 

Your plate is going to be filled up four times to get that lot on!

 

Easy to see why that touch of meat once a week could seem " healthy " even

though meat is not good for you at all.

 

Peter

 

 

 

Dave [teamcourage]

07 July 2003 04:04

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Cooked Addiction

 

 

 

hey like I said am learning form you guys but your just flat out nuts

saying eating meat is an addiction how can it be when addictions are un

healthy and eating meat even once a week is healthy. maybe it is just

the opposite and the vegertions have the addictions. since begin pure

veggie is unhealthy.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

cathe,

Please tell me how you grilled what vegetables. My huisband grills them for me

ocassionally, but I am looking for better other options.

Thanks,

Sharon

 

cathe <cathe wrote:

Doug,

 

I was equally glad you posted about the cooked foods addiction. *And* that your

girlfriend is not raw. My family is not even vegetarian. My transition to

vegetarianism has been recent, though, so I don't blame them. Last night we

grilled burgers. I also grilled some veggies. My kids *threw away half their

hamburgers* and opted for grilled veggie sandwiches, instead. <smile> It's a

start.

 

It's difficult living with someone who craves what I consider to be junk to eat,

and then watch them complain about a weight problem. But since your post, I

look at it as an addiction and I'm not as judgmental. None of us is perfect,

but I feel SO much lighter, cleaner, more ALIVE on raw foods than I did before.

I pray my family will catch on.

 

My only concern is that I get enough of a variety. How can I be sure I am

getting all the vitamins and minerals I need? Do I need to be eating a large

variety of raw f/v? Also, what is a young coconut and how do you know if you've

got one. I read about this on another site.

 

Thanks,

Cathe

 

 

The reason I posted that depressing

message about cooked food addiction, is because it is important to

know what kind of monster we are up against. You can't fight

something you have no knowledge of. When I first went raw I made a

lot of raw recipes. They are a lot of fun, don't be afraid to

experiment with them. My girl friend is also not raw. It bothered me

at first but you get used to it, now her food just stinks to me.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

soory meat is needed and there are nutrents that you won't get. look at

any of the vegi web sights out there that show pcis every oen has the

perosn sit undera heat lamp for an hour so that they don't look as white

as a ghost. skiping meat is not helathy. and I want told to eat it once

a week that is what works for me. like the doc who know smore about true

nutrationt hen any peron on ehre eat meat when eve youw ant just don't

go alot on it becuse you don't need the extra proteen.

[Guest guest]

Dear Dave,

 

 

 

You obviously have no understanding of addiction, as evidenced by the fact that

you think the only thing that makes something " addictive " is the fact that it is

harmful. An addiction is an inability to stop doing something, which, by nature

is what makes it harmful. If someone " wishes " to stop eating cooked food but

cannot, then, by definition, they have an addiction to cooked food. Of course,

people can also be addicted to " healthy " things, and people have destroyed their

lives and the lives of their families by being addicted to things that in

moderate quantities might be considered " healthy. " Some of the things of which

I speak are exercise, sex, work, religion, and the list goes on and on. Those

things are all perfectly wonderful, but not when they are the outlet of

someone's addiction.

 

 

 

If you do not believe you are " addicted " to cooked food (or even just meat for

that matter), I suggest to try to go without it for a month and see how you do.

If you have no addiction, than there will be no temptation to do other than what

you have set out to do, and you will not have even the slightest desire to eat

cooked food.

 

 

 

Let me know if you decide to accept the challenge. You will undoubtedly find

out whether you are truly the master of your own desires, or if an addiction has

power over you.

 

 

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Malinda

 

 

 

Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:03:56 -0600

Dave <teamcourage

Re: Cooked Addiction

 

hey like I said am learning form you guys but your just flat out nuts

saying eating meat is an addiction how can it be when addictions are un

healthy and eating meat even once a week is healthy. maybe it is just

the opposite and the vegertions have the addictions. since begin pure

veggie is unhealthy.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Doug,

 

Thanks for the kudos...not sure how well deserved it is as I am merely a

floundering newbie myself, but it is much appreciated. Thanks again!

 

Cathe

 

Rose and Cathe;

 

First of all I think you ladies are fantastic. You have been raw for

such a short time and already you are reaching out to help others. I

think what you are doing is very spiritual. More on this later.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Roger,

 

Tonight I ordered " Eat to Live " from the library. Should have it in a couple of

days. Also ordered " Raw: The Uncook Book " and will have that in a week or so.

I'm excited--thanks for the tip(s).

 

Cathe

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Doug

 

I rarely post. Rather I'm reading most that is posted because I'm new to raw

foods and don't know how to go about everything or, for that matter, anything.

I've been having a dickens of a time getting started on raw meals with the

exception of breakfast. Being addicted to cooked food never entered my mind but

now I think that's my problem. We've been eating out a lot which has fed my

addiction to cooked foods.

Thanks so much for being on the bandwagon regarding this addiction. It will

help me considerably to thwart the problem.

 

Diane

[Guest guest]

Diane;

 

The thing about discovering that we are addicted. Is a gigantic

breakthrough. If you don't know that your addicted, and you cave in

to temptation, then you beat yourself up, you might tell yourself

that you can't do it. Its too hard, and you might quit completely.

But if you understand you are dealing with an addiction. then caving

in is not your fault. You were overpowered by your addiction.

Victoria Boutenko said " one out of a thousand people can quit on

willpower alone. " When you consider the 4 levels of addiction. I

don't know how anyone could resist chemical, biological, mental, and

spiritual addiction. this doesn't mean that we go around caving in

all the time. What we do is get help. We are not strong enough to do

this alone. Victoria says to get a card and write down all the

reasons you want to stay raw. On the other side of the card write the

phone number of someone you can call. This person does not need to be

raw just someone who supports you. That person tells you to turn the

card back over and read what it says, tells you about alternatives to

eating something cooked, and just supports you. If we do cave in

don't beat yourself up, just get back on the program. We might lose a

battle now and then but we will win the war.

 

As long as I stay in contact with this club I stay clean. But I have

a raw friend who needs a lot of support (is not online) so I am

trying to get her to be my raw buddy. I work for a corporation that

was founded by and is still run by a group of drug addicts. These

guys all went through N.A. together and are the second largest

construction company on the big island of Hawaii. They have only been

in business 5 years. I believe the reason these guys are so

successful is because they are clean and sober. I want to spend some

time talking to them on how N.A. works, how we could use the

internet. I have never gone through any thing like that.

 

In several places that Victoria Boutenko has taught, support groups

have formed and meet on a regular basis. One of those is Raw Seattle

Support Groups. They have a web site www.rawseattle.org I am also

going to contact them. I am in the process of creating a web page to

support raw people in my community. All this stuff keeps me sooooo

raw.

 

Doug

 

 

 

 

rawfood , Diane Law <joy2knit> wrote:

> Doug

>

> I rarely post. Rather I'm reading most that is posted because I'm

new to raw foods and don't know how to go about everything or, for

that matter, anything.

> I've been having a dickens of a time getting started on raw meals

with the exception of breakfast. Being addicted to cooked food never

entered my mind but now I think that's my problem. We've been eating

out a lot which has fed my addiction to cooked foods.

> Thanks so much for being on the bandwagon regarding this

addiction. It will help me considerably to thwart the problem.

>

> Diane

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/11/03 10:29:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

joy2knit writes:

 

> I rarely post. Rather I'm reading most that is posted because I'm new to

> raw foods and don't know how to go about everything or, for that matter,

> anything.

> I've been having a dickens of a time getting started on raw meals with the

> exception of breakfast. Being addicted to cooked food never entered my

mind

> but now I think that's my problem.

 

Same here. No problem eating breakfast and lunch.. but when dinner comes, I

want something cooked, or savory. I think I will have to start going to the

local raw foods restaurant and treating myself for dinner to get into the raw

mode.

 

I had some cooked food last night, and it gave me heartburn. I think tomorrow

night I'll go to the raw foods restaurant... and get plenty of take-out as

well.

 

I've got the house to myself now since my wife and I are separated.. so I

have the opportunity to make raw work for me, with no interferences.. she came

over yesterday and got all of " her food " out of the house.. so now whatever's

left I can just toss, and start from scratch.. raw.

 

Starting over once again,

 

Art

[Guest guest]

Hi Art

 

So what do you think it is that makes a desire for the cooked food for dinner.

I can eat raw all day but come dinner time...gimme that cooked stuff. If dinner

is also raw then I don't feel satisfied all evening. Do you think that it's

psychological dependence upon cooked?

 

Diane

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Misery loves company. As you go later in the day your body will increase

it's detoxification because you have only eaten raw all day. But since

you still have excess toxins from cooked foods in your body, you will

crave having more of them. Once those toxins are gone the evening

cravings will go as well.

 

I used to have the same exact cravings. With time and eating 100% raw I

quickly got over those cravings.

 

Roger

 

Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now

you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100%

Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske,

the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and

http://www.superbeing.com <http://www.superbeing.com/> . Go to

http://www.superbeingdiet.com <http://www.superbeingdiet.com%20/> to

learn how to go 100% RAW.

 

 

Diane Law [joy2knit]

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:26 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Cooked Addiction

 

Hi Art

 

So what do you think it is that makes a desire for the cooked food for

dinner. I can eat raw all day but come dinner time...gimme that cooked

stuff. If dinner is also raw then I don't feel satisfied all evening.

Do you think that it's psychological dependence upon cooked?

 

Diane

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Roger

 

Thanks for your comments. They really helped me understand. Sure will be glad

when this detox stuff finishes. Also, now I know what is going on I won't get

so uptight about the process.

 

Diane

 

Roger Haeske <roger wrote:

Misery loves company. As you go later in the day your body will increase

it's detoxification because you have only eaten raw all day. But since

you still have excess toxins from cooked foods in your body, you will

crave having more of them. Once those toxins are gone the evening

cravings will go as well.

 

I used to have the same exact cravings. With time and eating 100% raw I

quickly got over those cravings.

 

Roger

 

Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now

you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100%

Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske,

the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and

http://www.superbeing.com <http://www.superbeing.com/> . Go to

http://www.superbeingdiet.com <http://www.superbeingdiet.com%20/> to

learn how to go 100% RAW.

 

 

Diane Law [joy2knit]

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:26 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Cooked Addiction

 

Hi Art

 

So what do you think it is that makes a desire for the cooked food for

dinner. I can eat raw all day but come dinner time...gimme that cooked

stuff. If dinner is also raw then I don't feel satisfied all evening.

Do you think that it's psychological dependence upon cooked?

 

Diane

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.