juice

[Guest guest]

I just ordered a Champion juicer and am so excited!!! I found

one on ebay and got it for a total of $116.32. Since I found one

at the health food store for $199 and found one online for $182,

I think I got a good deal. It comes with a juicing book, but I

was hoping that I could get some favorite juice recipes from some

of the group members.

 

Before asking, I went to the site for this group to

see if any were listed. I was thinking it might be good for us

to have a data base for juice recipes so people can go and find

them instead of asking the list all the time. This would work

well with other type recipes (or salads) as well.

 

I also would like to know how one juices wheat grass. Where do

you get it? and in what form, etc.?

 

In the past I have broken out any time I had something such as

barley green, spirulina, and other type of green supplements. I

was thinking that after being on a vegan diet and eating mostly

raw and doing some water fasting, that this may not be a problem

in the future. I will hope for the best by being optimistic

enough to ask the questions about wheat grass.

 

I got the 3 books I ordered from National Health Association

today, as well as 5 back issues of Science Health magazine. I am

looking forward to all this reading!!!

 

Thanks.

 

Viveca

[Guest guest]

Viveca,

 

You did get a good deal. Mine was more than that and that was over eleven

years ago. Here is a recipe I love, but I don't make it all the time. Still,

it's a favorite...

 

5 or 6 carrots

handful of spinach

one apple

small sliver of ginger

 

The ginger is bitey, so go easy on it, but I love this. It's even good

without the ginger. I was very skeptical about adding an apple to veggies but I

have had no problems digesting it. I got this from Marilyn Diamond's latest

book, Fitonics for Life. Enjoy your juicer!

 

I think your idea about a data base for recipes is excellent. I wanted to

ask, too, what are others' favorite foods/recipes? Sometimes I'm in the mood

for just the fruit or veggie (breakfast today was two bananas) and sometimes I

want something more complex. Maybe someone can let us know how to go about

doing this.

 

Cathe

 

 

I just ordered a Champion juicer and am so excited!!! I found

one on ebay and got it for a total of $116.32. Since I found one

at the health food store for $199 and found one online for $182,

I think I got a good deal. It comes with a juicing book, but I

was hoping that I could get some favorite juice recipes from some

of the group members.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " cathe " <cathe@b...> wrote:

> Viveca,

>

> You did get a good deal. Mine was more than that and that was

over eleven years ago.

 

I've gotten most of my equipment on ebay. I just got a 4 tray

excalibur dehydrator with 4 teflex sheets for $45.00!!! There are

always *tons* of champion juicers on there. I also got a small

cuisinart food processor for $14.00. Even with shipping charges for

heavy items, you still end up paying less than you would new, and if

it's something you end up not using much you're not out a huge wad of

cash.

 

Bridgitte

[Guest guest]

Bridgitte,

 

My hubby just told me he's going to get me a dehydrator as a gift, so I will

definitely look on eBay. Why do I always forget about eBay???

 

Cathe

-

Bridgitte

rawfood

Friday, July 11, 2003 11:13 AM

Re: [Raw Food] juice

 

 

rawfood , " cathe " <cathe@b...> wrote:

> Viveca,

>

> You did get a good deal. Mine was more than that and that was

over eleven years ago.

 

I've gotten most of my equipment on ebay. I just got a 4 tray

excalibur dehydrator with 4 teflex sheets for $45.00!!! There are

always *tons* of champion juicers on there. I also got a small

cuisinart food processor for $14.00. Even with shipping charges for

heavy items, you still end up paying less than you would new, and if

it's something you end up not using much you're not out a huge wad of

cash.

 

Bridgitte

 

 

[Guest guest]

RawSeattle , " b l a n k e n s h i p "

<stereofield@h...> wrote:

> Could you elaborate on this?

>

> thx,

>

> B

> Juice is a concentrated food, so I would not rely totally upon

juice for nutrients, unless you are on a juice fast.

 

 

Ben,

 

Maybe *I* can elaborate on the issue.

 

1. Drinking juice--consuming *anything* other than water and air, for

that matter--is not really a " fast " , although many in the raw food

movement and other circles confusedly call what is more accurately a

juice *diet*, a " fast " . In a true *fast*, where one takes as much

rest as possible and consumes only water and air, there are certain

key physiological processes that occur (I won't go into all details

here), which will never be allowed to occur on any sort of diet

(again, " diet " = consumption of anything beyond water and air,

whether it be juice or anything else). I have heard this from more

than one professional fast supervisor, with combined experience of

more than a decade supervising hundreds, if not thousand, of clients.

 

2. Even if you didn't pasteurize it at all, any and all juice is

still processed, concentrated, and refined. I don't think it's hard

to see this: the original whole food is put through a mechanical

process (hence " processed " ), right? And, if you drink let's say a

cup--1/2 a lb.--of good ol' Odwalla apple juice, it came out of maybe

twice the weight--1 lb.--or more of the original whole food, apples.

In that sense, it's concentrated, isn't it? Also, the pulp is

separated out and discarded, so the resulting product, juice, is also

refined, no? The juicing process (there's that word again) is even

referred to also as " extraction " --juice is extracted

(literally, " dragged out " if you piece out the parent Latin vocab)

from it's source. To me, it's discomforting to note the similarities

here between juicing and the production of, say, white sugar from

cane, or cocaine from coca: all these methods involve processing,

concentrating, and refining.

 

Due to all this denaturing pre-work on the original whole food, I

definitely don't consider juice an ideal substance to consume.

Although I *do* agree that it's more healthy than many other

beverages. So if you ever have to make a choice between juice and,

say, a " potent potable " ( " alcoholic drink " ) as Jeopardy would call

it, by all means drink the juice. I myself haven't totally excluded

juices from my diet, but at the same time, I realize that in order to

have the *optimum*, *natural* diet, I wouldn't include any juice that

took all this processing to create it. (Now, [young] coconut water

is a different story, as it comes in a highly liquid state in nature,

in other words, without any human intervention.)

 

I wish this reasoning had been pointed out to me earlier in my life.

There was a time when I was drinking what I thought to be pretty

healthy stuff--unpasteurized, organic fresh-squeezed orange juice in

plastic half-gallons from Whole Foods. It was even pulpy; I like OJ

like that. :-) Like you, for a number of relatively extensive time

periods, I was eating little solid food, and just drinking lots of

this OJ. It was around that time, before going on the all-raw path,

that I developed an annoying (although, gladly, not *painful*) nerve

condition that hasn't gone away for years now. I don't believe there

was any coincidence. So, from personal experience and reasoning, I

would advise you to follow what I believe is a more healthy course,

friend. One word: EAT! ;-) Or, if it's more appropriate, FAST! :-)

[but remember what a " real " fast is: complete rest, and nothing but

water and air...I guess sunshine and love vibes from companions are

good too. ;-)]

 

I say, if you like juice, there's plenty of it in it's natural, whole

form in (young) coconut water, and fresh, JUICY FRUITS! Yum yum

yum. :-)

[Guest guest]

I'd like to add to what has already been said. I agree that it is better than

the alternative. Juice is a fractured food as Eric put it so well, it isn't

" whole " . It is considered concentrated because it extracts most of the

nutrition from the fruit and vegies used, discarding the less nutritious fibrous

material. One of the things one needs to remember when consuming juices

specially fruit juices and some vegetables like carrots and others, is that

while you have concentrated nutrition you also have concentrated sugar. When

you eat a " whole " fruit Which includes its fiber you don't spike up your blood

sugar level not mentioning one can't possibly eat the equivalent number of whole

fruits as one can in juice form. The other consideration when consuming

pasteurized juices in great quantities is that the sugar is no longer in the

form of glycogen which is easier for the body to use, and the rest of its

nutritious elements has also been compromised and a great number destroyed by

heat and you are left with a lot of concentrated glucose.

 

Socorro

 

--- " ericscottfarris " <EricScottFarris wrote:

RawSeattle , " b l a n k e n s h i p "

<stereofield@h...> wrote:

> Could you elaborate on this?

>

> thx,

>

> B

> Juice is a concentrated food, so I would not rely totally upon

juice for nutrients, unless you are on a juice fast.

 

 

Ben,

 

Maybe *I* can elaborate on the issue.

 

1. Drinking juice--consuming *anything* other than water and air, for

that matter--is not really a " fast " , although many in the raw food

movement and other circles confusedly call what is more accurately a

juice *diet*, a " fast " . In a true *fast*, where one takes as much

rest as possible and consumes only water and air, there are certain

key physiological processes that occur (I won't go into all details

here), which will never be allowed to occur on any sort of diet

(again, " diet " = consumption of anything beyond water and air,

whether it be juice or anything else). I have heard this from more

than one professional fast supervisor, with combined experience of

more than a decade supervising hundreds, if not thousand, of clients.

 

2. Even if you didn't pasteurize it at all, any and all juice is

still processed, concentrated, and refined. I don't think it's hard

to see this: the original whole food is put through a mechanical

process (hence " processed " ), right? And, if you drink let's say a

cup--1/2 a lb.--of good ol' Odwalla apple juice, it came out of maybe

twice the weight--1 lb.--or more of the original whole food, apples.

In that sense, it's concentrated, isn't it? Also, the pulp is

separated out and discarded, so the resulting product, juice, is also

refined, no? The juicing process (there's that word again) is even

referred to also as " extraction " --juice is extracted

(literally, " dragged out " if you piece out the parent Latin vocab)

from it's source. To me, it's discomforting to note the similarities

here between juicing and the production of, say, white sugar from

cane, or cocaine from coca: all these methods involve processing,

concentrating, and refining.

 

Due to all this denaturing pre-work on the original whole food, I

definitely don't consider juice an ideal substance to consume.

Although I *do* agree that it's more healthy than many other

beverages. So if you ever have to make a choice between juice and,

say, a " potent potable " ( " alcoholic drink " ) as Jeopardy would call

it, by all means drink the juice. I myself haven't totally excluded

juices from my diet, but at the same time, I realize that in order to

have the *optimum*, *natural* diet, I wouldn't include any juice that

took all this processing to create it. (Now, [young] coconut water

is a different story, as it comes in a highly liquid state in nature,

in other words, without any human intervention.)

 

I wish this reasoning had been pointed out to me earlier in my life.

There was a time when I was drinking what I thought to be pretty

healthy stuff--unpasteurized, organic fresh-squeezed orange juice in

plastic half-gallons from Whole Foods. It was even pulpy; I like OJ

like that. :-) Like you, for a number of relatively extensive time

periods, I was eating little solid food, and just drinking lots of

this OJ. It was around that time, before going on the all-raw path,

that I developed an annoying (although, gladly, not *painful*) nerve

condition that hasn't gone away for years now. I don't believe there

was any coincidence. So, from personal experience and reasoning, I

would advise you to follow what I believe is a more healthy course,

friend. One word: EAT! ;-) Or, if it's more appropriate, FAST! :-)

[but remember what a " real " fast is: complete rest, and nothing but

water and air...I guess sunshine and love vibes from companions are

good too. ;-)]

 

I say, if you like juice, there's plenty of it in it's natural, whole

form in (young) coconut water, and fresh, JUICY FRUITS! Yum yum

yum. :-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Fiber is certainly important. The fiber actually slows down

absorption, so it doesn't spike the blood sugar, like Socorro

mentioned. Some naturopaths & nutritionists suggest cutting juices

with equal amounts of water to slow down the absorption of those

sugars.

 

Jeff