nursing mother wanting to start raw diet

[Guest guest]

Hello!

I had this week a wonderful 2 1/2 raw days, my first attempt at going raw

but stopped because I am a nursing mother (albiet to a 19 month old) and

saw my daughter acting and sleeping differently. Acting tired, sleeping

restlessly. She too was eating mostly raw. I think the behavior change

was diet related. How can I tell if I am getting what I need for the two

of us and if a raw diet is the right thing for her? Or- where can I look

for nutritional info? Or-Any other nursing/pregnant mothers on this list

who can share their experience?

Thanks,

Mary

[Guest guest]

hi mary

a growing child need all the vitamins that are necessary for growth,

passed 18 years then perhaps go on raw diet but not before. you will

only cause problems not solve them.

jean-claude at lolo55

 

 

proudmary23 [proudmary23]

31 July 2003 01:42

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] nursing mother wanting to start raw diet

 

 

 

Hello!

I had this week a wonderful 2 1/2 raw days, my first attempt at going

raw but stopped because I am a nursing mother (albiet to a 19 month old)

and saw my daughter acting and sleeping differently. Acting tired,

sleeping restlessly. She too was eating mostly raw. I think the

behavior change was diet related. How can I tell if I am getting what I

need for the two of us and if a raw diet is the right thing for her?

Or- where can I look for nutritional info? Or-Any other nursing/pregnant

mothers on this list who can share their experience? Thanks, Mary

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

hi Mary, don't think it's a great time to start raw. You're detoxifying when you

do that, and that goes into your milk. If you'd been raw before you were

pregnant, then it would be ok continuing that when the baby comes and beyond.

Good luck

 

proudmary23 wrote:Hello!

I had this week a wonderful 2 1/2 raw days, my first attempt at going raw

but stopped because I am a nursing mother (albiet to a 19 month old) and

saw my daughter acting and sleeping differently. Acting tired, sleeping

restlessly. She too was eating mostly raw. I think the behavior change

was diet related. How can I tell if I am getting what I need for the two

of us and if a raw diet is the right thing for her? Or- where can I look

for nutritional info? Or-Any other nursing/pregnant mothers on this list

who can share their experience?

Thanks,

Mary

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Mary,

 

The changes you noted in your child are symptoms that something was wrong. Your

change in diet and her change in diet are the most obvious connections.

 

The digestive tract of a child less than 2 years old is not completely

developed. They will end up malnourished on raw foods.

 

For the first two years, an infant/child needs a diet high in cholesterol

(mother's milk is high in cholesterol) to allow the brain to properly develop.

They also need high levels of lactose (milk sugar). The milk sugar in the

child's digestive tract is broken down to glucose (for fuel plus...) and

galactose (for proper brain development).

 

Unless you are an Eskimo, the odds of you getting enough protein on a raw diet

to help your child develop properly is very improbable. Your physiological

makeup would have to be carefully examined and monitored to determine whether

your milk is adequate for your developing child.

 

Fred

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mary;

 

Stay away from protein cooked or raw. You do not need it and your

baby doesn't need it protein is the only cause of cancer. All tumors

are made up of protein that the body is trying to get rid of. Human

breast milk is only 2% protein and drops to 1% by the time the baby

reaches 2 years, which is right in line with fruits and vegetables.

Don't worry about your baby's diet all he needs is your breast milk.

You may want to hold off going 100% raw until you are finished breast

feeding. You don't want to go through detox during this period. If

you want to read more about the dangers of protein read this

article; http://www.justeatanapple.com/nuts_and_seeds.html . Also in

the book " Living Foods for Optimum Health " by Brian R. Clement " The

Center

for Science in the Public Interest reports that the average American

takes in about 150 grams of protein each day. But you need only a

fraction of that amount, where does the excess go? Well, the body

can't store protein, the lymphatic system attempts to remove the

excess. But when the burden becomes too great for the lymph to handle

protein " traps " (tumors) are created, which the body seals off in

order to protect the rest of its organs and tissues, As Nobel prize

winner Dr. Otto Warburg showed, when oxygen supply is decreased by as

little as 30 percent, these trapped cells can become malignant cancer

cells. Warburg found that unlike normal healthy cells, malignant

cancer cells don't require oxygen to reproduce, in a sense, the

cancerous cells consume waste, saving the body from poisoning by

excess protein, but this survival tactic can cause uncontrolled,

terminal cancer. " I know that medical science has a large list of

carcinogens, but without tumors (protein traps) the cancer has no

place to grow. Mothers milk is only 2% protein for a baby that

doubles its size and weight in 180 days by the time the child reaches

2 years of age mothers protein drops to 1% "

 

Protein was the 90s sugar. touted as neccassary

for building muscle and strong bones, it is put into

everything. Energy bars, drinks, smoothies, anything

considered healthy, or athletic is pumped full of protein.

 

It is all true, protein does build strong bones and

muscle. Children need protein to grow. But how much do we

need? If we take our clues from nature, it looks like

we do not need very much. Every animal has its

highest requirement of protein at its fastest rate of

growth. With humans, and all animals, it is right after

birth. A human baby doubles its weight in the first 180

days of life. Human breast milk; 1 1/2 to 2 1/2

percent protein. " For many years it was thought that

nature made a mistake in not putting enough protein in

mother's milk. (this is typical, meat eaters trying to

change nature in order to make it agree with them) Amino

acid studies were done on rats, attempting to find out

the correct amount of protein needed by humans. In

proportion to their size/weight, rats need 3 1/2 times the

amount of protein needed by humans, because rats grow to

adult size much faster than humans. Therefore, they

need more protein relative to their size/weight. The

protein of rat's breast milk is 10 times more

concentrated than human breast milk. Human breast milk has 1-2

grams of protein per 100 milliliters, and the baby

doubles its weight in 180 days. Rat's milk is 8-11 grams

of protein per 100 milliliters, and a rat doubles

its weight in 4-5 days.

 

There are eight amino acids that the body cannot produce and make

within itself, so they must be contained in the foods that are

eaten; without them protein deficiencies will result.

So, foods that contain the eight essential amino

acids are considered complete protein and are

necessary. Most fruits and vegetables contain all the

essential amino acids that are necessary for growth.

 

The estimated amounts of protein needed by the human

adult have been shown to be as little as 2.5% of our

daily calorie intake. This amount is equivalent to less

than 20 grams a day--two-thirds of an ounce. During

the First World War, Denmark was surrounded by German

submarines and could not receive shipped foods. The

inhabitants de-emphasized animal proteins and lived basically

on apples, potatoes, and other vegetables. The death

rate during this time was reduced by 40%. There are

natives living in the South Seas who are enormously

healthy, living on only 15-20 grams per day. " I myself

(Humbart Santillo) have existed on 20 grams or less of

protein daily since 1977. With this low-protein diet I

have overcome allergies and arthritic symptoms, and

lost 75 pounds of unnecessary weight. I exercise at

least 90 minutes daily, lecture in 200 cities a year,

study music, and still only sleep 4 1/2 hours a night I

never have a runny nose or experience fatigue, unless I

overwork. "

 

Here is an article on raising a raw baby;

http://www.rawvegan.com/rawwithbaby.html

 

Doug

 

 

 

rawfood , proudmary23@j... wrote:

> Hello!

> I had this week a wonderful 2 1/2 raw days, my first attempt at

going raw

> but stopped because I am a nursing mother (albiet to a 19 month

old) and

> saw my daughter acting and sleeping differently. Acting tired,

sleeping

> restlessly. She too was eating mostly raw. I think the behavior

change

> was diet related. How can I tell if I am getting what I need for

the two

> of us and if a raw diet is the right thing for her? Or- where can

I look

> for nutritional info? Or-Any other nursing/pregnant mothers on this

list

> who can share their experience?

> Thanks,

> Mary

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,

 

If your hypothesis was correct, then Eskimos and other old cultures that consume

high levels of protein would have been extinct a long time ago.

 

Fred

 

kauguy <no_reply > wrote:

Mary;

 

Stay away from protein cooked or raw. You do not need it and your

baby doesn't need it protein is the only cause of cancer. All tumors

are made up of protein that the body is trying to get rid of. Human

breast milk is only 2% protein and drops to 1% by the time the baby

reaches 2 years, which is right in line with fruits and vegetables.

Don't worry about your baby's diet all he needs is your breast milk.

You may want to hold off going 100% raw until you are finished breast

feeding. You don't want to go through detox during this period. If

you want to read more about the dangers of protein read this

article; http://www.justeatanapple.com/nuts_and_seeds.html . Also in

the book " Living Foods for Optimum Health " by Brian R. Clement " The

Center

for Science in the Public Interest reports that the average American

takes in about 150 grams of protein each day. But you need only a

fraction of that amount, where does the excess go? Well, the body

can't store protein, the lymphatic system attempts to remove the

excess. But when the burden becomes too great for the lymph to handle

protein " traps " (tumors) are created, which the body seals off in

order to protect the rest of its organs and tissues, As Nobel prize

winner Dr. Otto Warburg showed, when oxygen supply is decreased by as

little as 30 percent, these trapped cells can become malignant cancer

cells. Warburg found that unlike normal healthy cells, malignant

cancer cells don't require oxygen to reproduce, in a sense, the

cancerous cells consume waste, saving the body from poisoning by

excess protein, but this survival tactic can cause uncontrolled,

terminal cancer. " I know that medical science has a large list of

carcinogens, but without tumors (protein traps) the cancer has no

place to grow. Mothers milk is only 2% protein for a baby that

doubles its size and weight in 180 days by the time the child reaches

2 years of age mothers protein drops to 1% "

 

Protein was the 90s sugar. touted as neccassary

for building muscle and strong bones, it is put into

everything. Energy bars, drinks, smoothies, anything

considered healthy, or athletic is pumped full of protein.

 

It is all true, protein does build strong bones and

muscle. Children need protein to grow. But how much do we

need? If we take our clues from nature, it looks like

we do not need very much. Every animal has its

highest requirement of protein at its fastest rate of

growth. With humans, and all animals, it is right after

birth. A human baby doubles its weight in the first 180

days of life. Human breast milk; 1 1/2 to 2 1/2

percent protein. " For many years it was thought that

nature made a mistake in not putting enough protein in

mother's milk. (this is typical, meat eaters trying to

change nature in order to make it agree with them) Amino

acid studies were done on rats, attempting to find out

the correct amount of protein needed by humans. In

proportion to their size/weight, rats need 3 1/2 times the

amount of protein needed by humans, because rats grow to

adult size much faster than humans. Therefore, they

need more protein relative to their size/weight. The

protein of rat's breast milk is 10 times more

concentrated than human breast milk. Human breast milk has 1-2

grams of protein per 100 milliliters, and the baby

doubles its weight in 180 days. Rat's milk is 8-11 grams

of protein per 100 milliliters, and a rat doubles

its weight in 4-5 days.

 

There are eight amino acids that the body cannot produce and make

within itself, so they must be contained in the foods that are

eaten; without them protein deficiencies will result.

So, foods that contain the eight essential amino

acids are considered complete protein and are

necessary. Most fruits and vegetables contain all the

essential amino acids that are necessary for growth.

 

The estimated amounts of protein needed by the human

adult have been shown to be as little as 2.5% of our

daily calorie intake. This amount is equivalent to less

than 20 grams a day--two-thirds of an ounce. During

the First World War, Denmark was surrounded by German

submarines and could not receive shipped foods. The

inhabitants de-emphasized animal proteins and lived basically

on apples, potatoes, and other vegetables. The death

rate during this time was reduced by 40%. There are

natives living in the South Seas who are enormously

healthy, living on only 15-20 grams per day. " I myself

(Humbart Santillo) have existed on 20 grams or less of

protein daily since 1977. With this low-protein diet I

have overcome allergies and arthritic symptoms, and

lost 75 pounds of unnecessary weight. I exercise at

least 90 minutes daily, lecture in 200 cities a year,

study music, and still only sleep 4 1/2 hours a night I

never have a runny nose or experience fatigue, unless I

overwork. "

 

Here is an article on raising a raw baby;

http://www.rawvegan.com/rawwithbaby.html

 

Doug

 

 

 

rawfood , proudmary23@j... wrote:

> Hello!

> I had this week a wonderful 2 1/2 raw days, my first attempt at

going raw

> but stopped because I am a nursing mother (albiet to a 19 month

old) and

> saw my daughter acting and sleeping differently. Acting tired,

sleeping

> restlessly. She too was eating mostly raw. I think the behavior

change

> was diet related. How can I tell if I am getting what I need for

the two

> of us and if a raw diet is the right thing for her? Or- where can

I look

> for nutritional info? Or-Any other nursing/pregnant mothers on this

list

> who can share their experience?

> Thanks,

> Mary

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,

 

If your hypothesis was correct, then Eskimos and other old cultures that

consume high levels of protein would have been extinct a long time ago.

 

 

Fred

[RH] An overconsumption of protein and fat certainly isn't healthy. Many

people talk about the so-called health of the Eskimos, but from what I

understand the average lifespan of an Eskimo is 39 years and they have a

very high rate of osteoporosis. The original Eskimos lived on a diet of

mostly animal fat. They did what they could, but it was not ideal.

 

Roger

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[Guest guest]

....from what I understand the average lifespan of an Eskimo is 39 years and they

have a very high rate of osteoporosis. The original Eskimos lived on a diet of

mostly animal fat. They did what they could, but it was not ideal.

 

You are 100% correct. They lived to be about 40 years. They also lived a full

life in those 40 years. Around the age of 40 years, their teeth were worn down

and instead of being a burden to their children, they decide to let go of this

journey. They say their goodbyes, sit on the ice and accept the inevitable.

 

Fred