Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 http://groups.msn.com/robertatkins/1.msnw http://www.drmcdougall.com/debate.html http://www.drmcdougall.com/protein_diets.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Just out of curiosity, are there any websites showing the opposite to be the truth. Fred mavalkyrie <mavalkyrie wrote: http://groups.msn.com/robertatkins/1.msnw http://www.drmcdougall.com/debate.html http://www.drmcdougall.com/protein_diets.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Confusing, isn't it.......All's I know is that I first tried the raw food diet around 15 years ago when I went to a Ray Kent Live Food Dinner at a local health food store and after going on raw food, I went from being a blob of inertia to a picture of energy and glowing health. It works for me........Betsy - fred lieberman rawfood Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:49 PM Re: [Raw Food] Interesting articles about High Protein Diets Just out of curiosity, are there any websites showing the opposite to be the truth. Fred mavalkyrie <mavalkyrie wrote: http://groups.msn.com/robertatkins/1.msnw http://www.drmcdougall.com/debate.html http://www.drmcdougall.com/protein_diets.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Of course. I am sure Atkins has studies to back their product/plan up. rawfood , fred lieberman <fred_lieberman> wrote: > Just out of curiosity, are there any websites showing the opposite to be the truth. > > Fred > > mavalkyrie <mavalkyrie> wrote: > http://groups.msn.com/robertatkins/1.msnw > > http://www.drmcdougall.com/debate.html > > http://www.drmcdougall.com/protein_diets.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 Atkins is about high fat, high protein, and low carbs. Unfortunately, with three variables, it is impossibe to come to any conclusion ablout a single variable. Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Great post mavalkyrie; The propaganda about protein comes from the meat and dairy industries, not from medical research. All vegetarian animals eat low protein diets, including primates. Vegetarian animals have a longer intestine than carnivores (vegetables take longer to digest than meat) and a folded and chambered bowel designed to slow down digestion to allow more absorption of nutrients. The dogs bowel, for instance is a short smooth pipe. Dr. Ralph Bircher claims that a low- protein diet has demonstrated that the body needs 10-20% less oxygen and a 30% lower calorie-intake. This conserves the resources of the body. High protein diets, on the other hand, tend to accelerate the turnover of protein in the body, put the cells into high activity, and promote stress and premature aging. Cancer is characterized by this rapid protein synthesis. " Intuitive Eating; Humbart Santillo, N.D., Ph.D. Humbart goes on to show how excess protein causes osteoporosis, cancer (all tumors are pockets of protein that the body is trying to get rid of), " Undigested protein must be eliminated by the kidneys. This unnecessary work stresses out the kidneys so much that gradually lesions are developed and tissues begin to harden. In the colon this excess protein-waste putrefies into toxic substances called indols, skatols, and hydrogen sulfide, etc. Some of these substances are reabsorbed into the bloodstream and are eventually found in the urine, These substances irritate the bladder and kidneys, and cause an unnecessary loss of vital energy. " In spite of their short efficient digestive system, carnivores sleep 20 hours per day, have little stamina, and short life spans. A cheetah can run 90 miles per hour. But if it doesn't make a kill, it can't hunt again until the following day. It is estimated that an adult gorilla has the ability to bench press 4000 pounds. The favorite food of the gorilla is wild celery it is less than 1% (.66%) protein. Without a doubt the strongest, most energetic and longest lived animals are raw vegans. The meat and dairy industries are telling us that to build strong bodies we need a lot of protein. The truth is just the opposite. Doug rawfood , " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie> wrote: > http://groups.msn.com/robertatkins/1.msnw > > http://www.drmcdougall.com/debate.html > > http://www.drmcdougall.com/protein_diets.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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