Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 B " H This is written in anticipation of a common reaction to encountering the Principles of Proper Food Combining for the first time. Most people think it is enough to have given up eating flesh in order to maintain health. While giving up meat, and often more importantly milk and milk products, are wonderful first steps they are certainly not the be-all and end-all of maximal eating. When we give up eating meat we need to make ourselves ready to accept new wisdom if we are to get the most out of vegetarian living. Moving up to a higher level of morality always entails becoming able to receive new wisdom, and we should joyfully embrace that new wisdom - in our own time and gradually. Part of wisdom is knowing what kinds of things are " just for me " and what things are principles that are generally, or even universally, applicable. Just for me things include: " I don't particularly like tomatoes. " , I think purple is prettier than pink. " " I prefer cherry wood to oak. " (All of those things are true about me, BTW.) When it comes to certain other matters, however, it is not in our best interest to say that it is " just a theory " or " I don't believe in... " until one has researched it. We have to be able to discern between those types of matters in order to live wisely and well. Vegetarianism is a part of living wisely and well, but it is subsumed by wisdom, not the lord over it. It is simply a fact of chemistry that fully formed proteins require an acidic enviornment in the stomach in order to be digested, while carbs require an alkaline enviornment in order to be digested. If we eat them together the stomach will secrete both the acid and basic secretions necessary for the digestion of both. What happens? Right. Exactly what our high school chem lab tests taught us. The acid and the base neutralize one another. Digestion will still occur as the body is very determined to live, but at a much more sluggish rate. The mass of undigested food will take two or three times longer to digest and will putrify in our gut. Many of the nutrients will be lost. Our bodies will labor long and hard to digest the food. Thus, precious energy is frittered away - energy that might be used to bring joy to someone and make the world better. The last point is the reason I present the principles of proper food combining to you. I have no vested interest in the matter other than the fact that I inhabit this world with you and would like to see everyone's energy freed up for joyous activity. Beans and chickpeas, for instance, contain protein and carbs. The gas they give us the the result of imperfect digestion going. Even those natural foods are not handled well by our bodies. They rot in our gut. The gas is being released as part of theh process of the decomposition of the bean molecules. The situation is much worse if one eats cheese and bread. Proteins and carbs should be eaten separately, about 4-6 hours apart if the last meal was properly combined, and always with vegetables to get them through our gut ASAP. It took me years to adopt the principles of proper food combining, not because I didn't see immediately that they are true and stand up to everything we know about chemistry, as well as everything we experience about indegestion, fatigue and ultimately disease, *but because they were on a higher level of perfection than I was then ready to receive*. It took me years of work on myself to become ready to accept the principles of proper food combining, but I realized I needed the work, not the principles. There is a difference between saying: " I have not yet been made aware of this. " or " This is more wisdom than I can handle right now. " and just saying: " If it works for you. " or " I don't believe in that. " or " Poo Poo. " (which is what a gut that doesn't accept these principles says) Doreen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 Hi Doreen, " Principles of Proper Food Combining... ....It is simply a fact of chemistry that fully formed proteins require an acidic enviornment in the stomach in order to be digested, while carbs require an alkaline enviornment in order to be digested. Intuitively, we know that many things we have been taught are wrong. We fight to cut the ties with those myths to free ourselves. We need to be careful not to substitute one myth for another myth. It is a myth that proteins require an acidic environment to be digested. There is no truth in that statement. In fact, the person who initiated that statement lied to everyone. Protein needs both an acid and alkaline environment to be digested. The process of protein digestion begins in the stomach (acidic) and ends in the small intestine (alkaline). There are three groups of enzymes which are involved in this process. The first appears in the stomach, the second is secreted by the pancreas into the small intestine, and the third is secreted by the small intestine into the small intestine. Proteins are long chained molecules made up of smaller units called amino acids. Each protein structure has its own arrangement of amino acids. There are about 20 different amino acids which by common agreement, make up human protein - alanine, arginine, asparagine, aspartic acid, cysteine, glutamic acid, glutamine, glycine, histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, proline, serine, threonine, tryptophan, tyrosine, and valine. Eight of these are considered essential for humans, because we do not have the enzymes in our cells to manufacture them. They are lysine, tryptophan, valine, histidine, leucine, isoleucine, phenylalanine, threonine, methionine, and arginine. The best sources of these amino acids are animal sources. A second source which is less bioavailable are plant proteins. Each enzyme is very specific. Each enzyme is only able to do one specific action. Digestive enzymes separate larger molecules into smaller molecules. Pepsin, the enzyme in the stomach, which initiates (begins) protein digestion, recognizes the link, the union, between two specific amino acids. That link is where the separation takes place. The pancreas produces specific protein digestive enzymes which recognize other amino acid to amino acid links and act upon them. The small intestine enzymes which digest protein, act on even different amino acid to amino acid links. Ultimately, what is left are protein structures, polypeptides, dipeptides, and amino acids. All of these can be absorbed. The majority of the digested mixture is dipeptides (2 amino acids connected together). Only a small amount of amino acids are ever produced. " Digestion will still occur as the body is very determined to live, but at a much more sluggish rate. The body has an intelligence all of its own. It knows what is the right speed needed to digest the food we eat. " The mass of undigested food will take two or three times longer to digest and will putrify in our gut. Digested or undigested foods can putrefy in our gut. The wrong type of bacteria does that to us. Putrefying bacteria does not discriminate between digested and non-digested food. They are not prejudice. " The gas is being released as part of theh process of the decomposition of the bean molecules. Not everyone who eats beans becomes gassy from beans. Why? " The situation is much worse if one eats cheese and bread. This does not happen with all types of cheese, all types of breads, and every person. So, we need to ask the questions: What type of cheese does it occur with (almost all hard cheeses are cultured with their own type of streptococcus bacteria) What types of bread are we talking about? How is the bread prepared by the person who is about to eat it? What is true about the person who becomes gassy? Not all individuals are affected by this condition. Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 ---B " H Thank you for this post, Fred: Just a couple of responses below: In rawfood , fred lieberman <fred_lieberman> wrote: > Hi Doreen, > > " Principles of Proper Food Combining... > ...It is simply a fact of chemistry that fully formed proteins require an acidic enviornment in the stomach in order to be digested, while carbs require an alkaline enviornment in order to be digested. > > > It is a myth that proteins require an acidic environment to be digested. There is no truth in that statement. In fact, the person who initiated that statement lied to everyone. > > Protein needs both an acid and alkaline environment to be digested. The process of protein digestion begins in the stomach (acidic) and ends in the small intestine (alkaline). You are bearing out a basic principle of food combining. It is precisely *in the stomach* that the enviornment has to be acidic in order for proteins to be digested properly. If the process of digestion does not occur under maximal conditions in the stomach the maximum amount of nutrients do not survive the digestion process. > > > > Proteins are long chained molecules made up of smaller units called amino acids. Each protein structure has its own arrangement of amino acids. > > > > Eight of these are considered essential for humans, because we do not have the enzymes in our cells to manufacture them. They are lysine, tryptophan, valine, histidine, leucine, isoleucine, phenylalanine, threonine, methionine, and arginine. The best sources of these amino acids are animal sources. A second source which is less bioavailable are plant proteins. L-taurine is also considered an essential amino acid, although it functions differently in the body than the ones you named. > > " Digestion will still occur as the body is very determined to live, but at a much more sluggish rate. > > The body has an intelligence all of its own. It knows what is the right speed needed to digest the food we eat. It will certainly do its best to deal with what we put into it. But why make life harder for our bodies? > > " The mass of undigested food will take two or three times longer to digest and will putrify in our gut. > > Digested or undigested foods can putrefy in our gut. The wrong type of bacteria does that to us. Putrefying bacteria does not discriminate between digested and non-digested food. That is not my understanding. Please check your last statement. To the best of my knowledge, disease causing microbes very definitely prefer a putrified enviornment. > > " The gas is being released as part of theh process of the > decomposition of the bean molecules. > > Not everyone who eats beans becomes gassy from beans. Why? Some people's bodies are healthier and moral vital than others. > > " The situation is much worse if one eats cheese and bread. > > This does not happen with all types of cheese, all types of breads, and every person. So, we need to ask the questions: > > What type of cheese does it occur with (almost all hard cheeses are cultured with their own type of streptococcus bacteria) > What types of bread are we talking about? > How is the bread prepared by the person who is about to eat it? > What is true about the person who becomes gassy? Not all individuals are affected by this condition. I would refer you to the physicians and biologists who are members of > The Int'l Natural Hygiene Society. They are in a better position to explain the reasons for the principles than I. You'll find some excellent resources if you search " natural hygiene pioneers " . Take a look at Dr. Shelton's, Dr. Tilden's, Dr. Sidwa's work, as well as that of some of the " young " generation. Some modern pracitioners' sites are there as well. Doreen > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 ~snip~ > Digested or undigested foods can putrefy in our gut. The wrong type of bacteria does that to us. Putrefying bacteria does not discriminate between digested and non-digested food. ~snip~ > To the best of my knowledge, disease causing microbes very definitely prefer a putrified enviornment - Is not the distinction aerobic vs. anaerobic? The Lower the pH the better the environment fon anerobic, the Higher the better for aerobic? rusty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 Hi Fred, Doreen and All, I think we have to be careful with all of this scientific talk and rely more on our results and common sense. While Fred was trying to disprove some of what Doreen was saying I also saw some things he claimed which are incorrect when you look at the current research. For instance to say that animal proteins are more bioavailable I believe to be a false statement. It is however a statement or belief that is purported in many circles. I have read about several studies disproving that. Also all proteins originate from plant sources anyway, so why not get it from the source. It's simply old thinking promoted my the meat industry that animal proteins are better absorbed than vegetable proteins. Here's another example. Last summer I was speaking to a guy at Rutgers University who was doing research on Cancer. He was some kind of biologist. He told me that the current research says that now there are only two amino acids that are essential. The body supposedly can manufacture the rest. I don't know if this is true but he was a researcher in the field. By the way if anyone knows of where I can find more information on this two essential amino acid theory, please send me the links or study to read. The point is that science keeps on finding out more things. But many people are functioning with outdated information. The general public seems to be at least 50 years behind in their general knowledge about nutrition. But before there was science to explain and back up all of these claims, there was always our experiences. I know from my own experiences that food combining works. I do know that when I eat beans I get more gas. Who cares why. It isn't healthy. By the way that is one thing I disagree with Dr. Joel Fuhrman about. He recommends eating beans because of some anticancer compounds. But he doesn't know anything about food combining and doesn't address it at all in his book, " Eat to Live. " For the most part it is an excellent book if you want to be convinced by endless studies that fruits and vegetables are the best foods for humans by far. Peace and Health to All of You, Roger Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100% Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske, the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and http://www.superbeing.com <http://www.superbeing.com/> . Go to http://www.superbeingdiet.com <http://www.superbeingdiet.com%20/> to learn how to go 100% RAW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 To the best of my knowledge, disease causing microbes very definitely prefer a putrified enviornment Everything is not always as black and white as we are led to believe. Is not the distinction aerobic vs. anaerobic? The Lower the pH the better the environment fon anerobic, the higher the better for aerobic? I am not that well versed in bacteriology to answer that statement. Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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