Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 B " H Living in Israel, the country with the second largest of vegetarians per capita in the world after India, I have just hit up against the appalling ignorance of " octo-lovo " " vegetarians " in the States. I tried to introduce them to the Principles of Proper Food Combining as described by Natural Hygiene and came up not only against ignorance, but refusal to accept the principles. I got the " what works for you " bit. I got " It's just a theory. We get whole proteins if we don't eat all the essential amino acids at one meal. " :-/ I got a general, " Poo poo " (which is exactly what an GI tract that isn't fed on Natural Hygienic principles usually says). Clueless. Any ideas how to explain nicely that lacto-ovo isn't any more humane, or any wiser nutritionally for that matter, than eating meat to people who sign their posts " Namaste " ? Doreen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 rawfood , " Doreen Bell-Dotan " <dordot2001> wrote: > > Any ideas how to explain nicely that lacto-ovo isn't any more humane, > or any wiser nutritionally for that matter, than eating meat to > people who sign their posts " Namaste " ? > Personally, I don't go dishing out information unless people are interested and asking. Otherwise, imho, it sounds preachy and people usually don't want to hear it. Fwiw, I've found some of your posts to sound that way. But the information is certainly valuable. I find that people become curious when they're ready to hear. It took me just under a year from finding raw food to actually going raw. It sort of happened naturally when the time was right. Bridgitte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 How do we also tell people that we are cutting off the life of a plant for our own needs is wrong. Each plant has their own consciousness and feelings. Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 > Any ideas how to explain nicely that lacto-ovo isn't any more humane, > or any wiser nutritionally for that matter, than eating meat to > people who sign their posts " Namaste " ? - Here's more cultural resitance from a highly vegetarian Country. Ghandi use the non-viloent approach and ate only foods " Freely Given " Those were: Seeds, nuts, fruits and veggies and milk and eggs. Although we may argue that we " Took " the milk and eggs, The Yogi's, at least Ghandi's branch, considered dairy, non violent and freely given. How would you convince them othewise? rusty - " Doreen Bell-Dotan " <dordot2001 <rawfood > Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:33 AM [Raw Food] I'm Kinda Blown Away > B " H > > Living in Israel, the country with the second largest of vegetarians > per capita in the world after India, I have just hit up against the > appalling ignorance of " octo-lovo " " vegetarians " in the States. > > I tried to introduce them to the Principles of Proper Food Combining > as described by Natural Hygiene and came up not only against > ignorance, but refusal to accept the principles. > > I got the " what works for you " bit. > > I got " It's just a theory. We get whole proteins if we don't eat all > the essential amino acids at one meal. " :-/ > > I got a general, " Poo poo " (which is exactly what an GI tract that > isn't fed on Natural Hygienic principles usually says). > > Clueless. > > Any ideas how to explain nicely that lacto-ovo isn't any more humane, > or any wiser nutritionally for that matter, than eating meat to > people who sign their posts " Namaste " ? > > Doreen > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 rawfood , " Rusty " <rustym@p...> wrote: > > Any ideas how to explain nicely that lacto-ovo isn't any more humane, > > or any wiser nutritionally for that matter, than eating meat to > > people who sign their posts " Namaste " ? > - > Here's more cultural resitance from a highly vegetarian Country. > Ghandi use the non-viloent approach and ate only foods " Freely Given " Those > were: Seeds, nuts, fruits and veggies and milk and eggs. Although we may > argue that we " Took " the milk and eggs, The Yogi's, at least Ghandi's > branch, considered dairy, non violent and freely given. > How would you convince them othewise? Ghandi also drank his urine. The Creatinine and uric acid in urine should never be reingested. No one is always right. My son eats eggs. I buy him eggs that come from chickens who are allowed free range and who are fed organic feed. Ever work in a regular chicken coop? I did on kibbutz. Once. It was sort of unpleasant to gather the chickens up between my fingers, feel their legs break sometimes, see them 20 to a cage, sometimes the collection truck runs them over and their guts splash out. Enjoy those muffins. If you can get milk that is unpasteurized, unhomogenized, from cows that are allowed free range, and eat grass that has not chemicals in it - hey, go fo' it. Doreen > > rusty > - > " Doreen Bell-Dotan " <dordot2001> > <rawfood > > Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:33 AM > [Raw Food] I'm Kinda Blown Away > > > > B " H > > > > Living in Israel, the country with the second largest of vegetarians > > per capita in the world after India, I have just hit up against the > > appalling ignorance of " octo-lovo " " vegetarians " in the States. > > > > I tried to introduce them to the Principles of Proper Food Combining > > as described by Natural Hygiene and came up not only against > > ignorance, but refusal to accept the principles. > > > > I got the " what works for you " bit. > > > > I got " It's just a theory. We get whole proteins if we don't eat all > > the essential amino acids at one meal. " :-/ > > > > I got a general, " Poo poo " (which is exactly what an GI tract that > > isn't fed on Natural Hygienic principles usually says). > > > > Clueless. > > > > Any ideas how to explain nicely that lacto-ovo isn't any more humane, > > or any wiser nutritionally for that matter, than eating meat to > > people who sign their posts " Namaste " ? > > > > Doreen > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 rawfood , fred lieberman <fred_lieberman> wrote: > How do we also tell people that we are cutting off the life of a plant for our own needs is wrong. Each plant has their own consciousness and feelings. > > Fred You bet, Fred. Ever read the chapter on eating in Khalil Gibran's THE PROPHET? My husband and I were discussing this. It is a very complicated subject and I should write a book, not a post, about it. I'll tell you another thing: I know ritual slaughterers who have told me that they have had the experience of a cow actually craning her neck to be slaughtered because she was so weary of her incarnation as a cow. It doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen. Is it wrong to allow that which is holy in an animal to be assumed into that which is holy in a human - to assume the holy into the more holy still? The issue is very, very deep. Doreen > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 >The Creatinine and uric acid in urine > should never be reingested. - Now you tell me! rty - " Doreen Bell-Dotan " <dordot2001 <rawfood > Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:41 AM Re: [Raw Food] I'm Kinda Blown Away > rawfood , " Rusty " <rustym@p...> wrote: > > > Any ideas how to explain nicely that lacto-ovo isn't any more > humane, > > > or any wiser nutritionally for that matter, than eating meat to > > > people who sign their posts " Namaste " ? > > - > > Here's more cultural resitance from a highly vegetarian Country. > > Ghandi use the non-viloent approach and ate only foods " Freely > Given " Those > > were: Seeds, nuts, fruits and veggies and milk and eggs. Although > we may > > argue that we " Took " the milk and eggs, The Yogi's, at least > Ghandi's > > branch, considered dairy, non violent and freely given. > > How would you convince them othewise? > > Ghandi also drank his urine. The Creatinine and uric acid in urine > should never be reingested. No one is always right. > > My son eats eggs. I buy him eggs that come from chickens who are > allowed free range and who are fed organic feed. > > Ever work in a regular chicken coop? I did on kibbutz. Once. It was > sort of unpleasant to gather the chickens up between my fingers, feel > their legs break sometimes, see them 20 to a cage, sometimes the > collection truck runs them over and their guts splash out. Enjoy > those muffins. > > If you can get milk that is unpasteurized, unhomogenized, from cows > that are allowed free range, and eat grass that has not chemicals in > it - hey, go fo' it. > > Doreen > > > > rusty > > - > > " Doreen Bell-Dotan " <dordot2001> > > <rawfood > > > Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:33 AM > > [Raw Food] I'm Kinda Blown Away > > > > > > > B " H > > > > > > Living in Israel, the country with the second largest of > vegetarians > > > per capita in the world after India, I have just hit up against > the > > > appalling ignorance of " octo-lovo " " vegetarians " in the States. > > > > > > I tried to introduce them to the Principles of Proper Food > Combining > > > as described by Natural Hygiene and came up not only against > > > ignorance, but refusal to accept the principles. > > > > > > I got the " what works for you " bit. > > > > > > I got " It's just a theory. We get whole proteins if we don't eat > all > > > the essential amino acids at one meal. " :-/ > > > > > > I got a general, " Poo poo " (which is exactly what an GI tract that > > > isn't fed on Natural Hygienic principles usually says). > > > > > > Clueless. > > > > > > Any ideas how to explain nicely that lacto-ovo isn't any more > humane, > > > or any wiser nutritionally for that matter, than eating meat to > > > people who sign their posts " Namaste " ? > > > > > > Doreen > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 rawfood , " Rusty " <rustym@p...> wrote: > >The Creatinine and uric acid in urine > > should never be reingested. > - > Now you tell me! > rty > LOL. Good one. Doreen > - > " Doreen Bell-Dotan " <dordot2001> > <rawfood > > Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:41 AM > Re: [Raw Food] I'm Kinda Blown Away > > > > rawfood , " Rusty " <rustym@p...> wrote: > > > > Any ideas how to explain nicely that lacto-ovo isn't any more > > humane, > > > > or any wiser nutritionally for that matter, than eating meat to > > > > people who sign their posts " Namaste " ? > > > - > > > Here's more cultural resitance from a highly vegetarian Country. > > > Ghandi use the non-viloent approach and ate only foods " Freely > > Given " Those > > > were: Seeds, nuts, fruits and veggies and milk and eggs. Although > > we may > > > argue that we " Took " the milk and eggs, The Yogi's, at least > > Ghandi's > > > branch, considered dairy, non violent and freely given. > > > How would you convince them othewise? > > > > Ghandi also drank his urine. The Creatinine and uric acid in urine > > should never be reingested. No one is always right. > > > > My son eats eggs. I buy him eggs that come from chickens who are > > allowed free range and who are fed organic feed. > > > > Ever work in a regular chicken coop? I did on kibbutz. Once. It was > > sort of unpleasant to gather the chickens up between my fingers, feel > > their legs break sometimes, see them 20 to a cage, sometimes the > > collection truck runs them over and their guts splash out. Enjoy > > those muffins. > > > > If you can get milk that is unpasteurized, unhomogenized, from cows > > that are allowed free range, and eat grass that has not chemicals in > > it - hey, go fo' it. > > > > Doreen > > > > > > rusty > > > - > > > " Doreen Bell-Dotan " <dordot2001> > > > <rawfood > > > > Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:33 AM > > > [Raw Food] I'm Kinda Blown Away > > > > > > > > > > B " H > > > > > > > > Living in Israel, the country with the second largest of > > vegetarians > > > > per capita in the world after India, I have just hit up against > > the > > > > appalling ignorance of " octo-lovo " " vegetarians " in the States. > > > > > > > > I tried to introduce them to the Principles of Proper Food > > Combining > > > > as described by Natural Hygiene and came up not only against > > > > ignorance, but refusal to accept the principles. > > > > > > > > I got the " what works for you " bit. > > > > > > > > I got " It's just a theory. We get whole proteins if we don't eat > > all > > > > the essential amino acids at one meal. " :-/ > > > > > > > > I got a general, " Poo poo " (which is exactly what an GI tract that > > > > isn't fed on Natural Hygienic principles usually says). > > > > > > > > Clueless. > > > > > > > > Any ideas how to explain nicely that lacto-ovo isn't any more > > humane, > > > > or any wiser nutritionally for that matter, than eating meat to > > > > people who sign their posts " Namaste " ? > > > > > > > > Doreen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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