Guest guest Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 M Wrote: I would be concerned about detoxing and having that detox going directly to the breast milk. I would wait until you are done with that and then change. Jenny's Experience: When I went 80% raw a couple of years ago I was breastfeeding and though I detoxed I never saw any ill effects in that baby, Luke. Now I'm nursing Peter, age 5 months now, and I've been all raw for two months. Again I have seen no ill effects in my baby even when I was detoxing. I have had pimples, canker sores, sore throat, headaches, heavy limbs, rashes, flu-like symptoms and tiredness from detoxing. However, I've seen none of these in either breastfed baby. I have only seen glowing health, extreme alertness, and good growth and development in both of my babies. Peter is the smileyest baby you've ever met--fat & happy! If a breastfeeding mother, or anyone, starts to go into a heavy detoxification and wants to slow it down you can just do as George Malkmus of the Hallelujah Diet recommends and after your big supper salad have a baked potato or yam or some brown rice or steamed veges. This will slow down the detoxing to a more comfortable rate. When you are ready for the healing crisis, and want to push through to the incredible high of radiant health and well-being, GO ALL RAW. I would not tell anyone to WAIT if they are ready to start eating RAW food full of live enzymes that are so good for both mother and baby. Is it better to continue to ingest devitalized cooked foods? Jenny Silliman Sequim, WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 > I would not tell anyone to WAIT if they are ready to start eating RAW > food full of live enzymes that are so good for both mother and baby. Is > it better to continue to ingest devitalized cooked foods? Jenny, That is what I was thinking. What if I had an addiction to alcohol? Should I slowly taper that down rather than quitting altogether? Why would it be better for my baby for my milk to be made from foods that have lost their nutritional value? I realize we are all at different levels. Some of us have bodies that are more toxic than others. My intuition tells me to go all raw, so I am going to give it a try starting Tuesday. If I start to go through a healing crisis, I will slow it down with some cooked food. Even if the baby has some discomfort, I expect it to be short lived. Surely it will be better than the colds many formula babies go through every year. ~Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 I could very well be wrong on this, and I am by no means an expert and perhaps my thinking is flawed somehow. Based on your experience I would say it just might be. I guess my concern stems from the fact that when detoxing the body is releasing toxins that have been stored for god knows how long. During detox I think there are more toxins in the blood, and body fluid than during a period of a normal diet (whatever that diet may be at the time). I remember how I felt during detox and it wasn't fun, I would hate to somehow bring a baby through that with me, which was my concern. Is it possible that breast milk is somehow filtered of toxins? I wholeheartedly endorse the raw diet, I just am unclear if the right time to make that change is while breastfeeding. I am interested to see others experience and or thoughts on this subject also. Thank you very much for sharing your experience Jenny. MOnte rawfood , jennysilliman@j... wrote: > M Wrote: I would be concerned about detoxing and having that detox going > directly to the breast milk. I would wait until you are done with that > and then change. > > Jenny's Experience: > > When I went 80% raw a couple of years ago I was breastfeeding and though > I detoxed I never saw any ill effects in that baby, Luke. > > Now I'm nursing Peter, age 5 months now, and I've been all raw for two > months. Again I have seen no ill effects in my baby even when I was > detoxing. > > I have had pimples, canker sores, sore throat, headaches, heavy limbs, > rashes, flu-like symptoms and tiredness from detoxing. However, I've seen > none of these in either breastfed baby. I have only seen glowing health, > extreme alertness, and good growth and development in both of my babies. > Peter is the smileyest baby you've ever met--fat & happy! > > If a breastfeeding mother, or anyone, starts to go into a heavy > detoxification and wants to slow it down you can just do as George > Malkmus of the Hallelujah Diet recommends and after your big supper salad > have a baked potato or yam or some brown rice or steamed veges. This will > slow down the detoxing to a more comfortable rate. > > When you are ready for the healing crisis, and want to push through to > the incredible high of radiant health and well-being, GO ALL RAW. > > I would not tell anyone to WAIT if they are ready to start eating RAW > food full of live enzymes that are so good for both mother and baby. Is > it better to continue to ingest devitalized cooked foods? > > Jenny Silliman > Sequim, WA > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 I have been breastfeeding for 2 1/2 years and went through, and still go through, detox and short fasts. Eating better will ultimately benefit both parties in the end, and prevail over whatever concerns you expressed regarding toxins. I have some illustrations below. Seeing NO cooking going on in the home is important to a small child who is learning at a rapid rate about the world around her. She says, " This food is raw, not cooked. " So, in addition to the physical benefit of this diet, (and the addictions of the SAD diet not being passed on), we have a positive attitude about all foods in the home. Nothing is forbidden and there is no rationing because it's all good. We have no arguments about what to finish up on one's plate and we know that everyone eats what one wants, when they want it. On another note, when I experience detox, I nurse less or not at all. I may have my husband take my child for part of the day while I rest. When I am better, we nurse more. Instead of slowing down the detox, I try to get good and sick and get through it, unless there is something I must do in my life, in which case I'll just eat more food in attempts to make symptoms decrease. Generally, I am just saying that each mother might just try to follow her instincts and convictions and, somehow, all these questions get answered by themselves. Lastly, I had the fortune of running into a raw-vegan nutritional scientist in the grocery store one week after going raw. His advice and future support gave me the confidence to stick to these beliefs and to handle detox episodes according to his councel. So, I think it would be helpful to you raw nursing moms to find someone like that (over the laypersons in this forum) who have helped many other raw breastfeeding moms to aid in making decision in this matter. Miko rawfood , " M " <mavalkyrie> wrote: > I could very well be wrong on this, and I am by no means an expert > and perhaps my thinking is flawed somehow. Based on your experience I > would say it just might be. I guess my concern stems from the fact > that when detoxing the body is releasing toxins that have been stored > for god knows how long. During detox I think there are more toxins in > the blood, and body fluid than during a period of a normal diet > (whatever that diet may be at the time). I remember how I felt during > detox and it wasn't fun, I would hate to somehow bring a baby through > that with me, which was my concern. Is it possible that breast milk > is somehow filtered of toxins? I wholeheartedly endorse the raw diet, > I just am unclear if the right time to make that change is while > breastfeeding. I am interested to see others experience and or > thoughts on this subject also. Thank you very much for sharing your > experience Jenny. > > MOnte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 rawfood , " M " <mavalkyrie> wrote: I guess my concern stems from the fact > that when detoxing the body is releasing toxins that have been stored > for god knows how long. During detox I think there are more toxins in > the blood, and body fluid than during a period of a normal diet > (whatever that diet may be at the time). I would hate to somehow bring a baby through > that with me, which was my concern. Is it possible that breast milk > is somehow filtered of toxins? I just am unclear if the right time to make that change is while > breastfeeding. I am interested to see others experience and or > thoughts on this subject also. Hi everyone, I was just reading something about this the other day actually, I can't remember where, I think it must have been on living-foods.com, but during the first trimester of a womans pregnancy her body goes through a very thorough detox of every organ for the fetal environment to be " absolutely pristine " . Thus the first trimester is littered with nausea, expelling the toxins from the mother's body. (unless of course you are already raw and detoxed, like I was for my first pregnancy and I never experienced a moment of nausea, and that goes for this pregnancy as well, thank goodness) So a woman who is considering breastfeeding has already gone through a very decent detox during her pregnancy and, yes, a mother's breastmilk is filtered. A detoxing mother doesn't mean a detoxing baby. Our bodies were made so perfectly that these systems do have their checks and balances, never underestimate the body's power to be perfect!!! Here's to happy and healthy children of the future! Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 That makes sense to me. Our bodies are so amazing aren't they? I believe I am changing my thinking on this. rawfood , " sisterkris2003 " <sisterkris2003> wrote: > rawfood , " M " <mavalkyrie> wrote: > I guess my concern stems from the fact > > that when detoxing the body is releasing toxins that have been > stored > > for god knows how long. During detox I think there are more toxins > in > > the blood, and body fluid than during a period of a normal diet > > (whatever that diet may be at the time). I would hate to somehow > bring a baby > through > > that with me, which was my concern. Is it possible that breast > milk > > is somehow filtered of toxins? I just am unclear if the right > time to make that change is while > > breastfeeding. I am interested to see others experience and or > > thoughts on this subject also. > > Hi everyone, > I was just reading something about this the other day actually, I > can't remember where, I think it must have been on living- foods.com, > but during the first trimester of a womans pregnancy her body goes > through a very thorough detox of every organ for the fetal > environment to be " absolutely pristine " . Thus the first trimester is > littered with nausea, expelling the toxins from the mother's body. > (unless of course you are already raw and detoxed, like I was for my > first pregnancy and I never experienced a moment of nausea, and that > goes for this pregnancy as well, thank goodness) So a woman who is > considering breastfeeding has already gone through a very decent > detox during her pregnancy and, yes, a mother's breastmilk is > filtered. A detoxing mother doesn't mean a detoxing baby. Our > bodies were made so perfectly that these systems do have their > checks and balances, never underestimate the body's power to be > perfect!!! > Here's to happy and healthy children of the future! > Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 M, The body detoxes all the time when you are on a cooked diet. Not as as fast perhaps as when a switch is made over to going raw. Undigested food comes out the skin, nose, ears etc. It would not surprise me to hear it tips out with the baby milk too. Thus continuing a SAD diet for the sake of the child seems questionable The detoxification will rapidly slow down after a few days and the purer result should benefit both parties quite quickly. Either way it must surely be a matter of degree only and not crucial unless an obvious problem arises. Of course I am no expert. Peter M [mavalkyrie] 09 September 2003 07:07 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Detoxing & Breastfeeding That makes sense to me. Our bodies are so amazing aren't they? I believe I am changing my thinking on this. rawfood , " sisterkris2003 " <sisterkris2003> wrote: > rawfood , " M " <mavalkyrie> wrote: I guess > my concern stems from the fact > > that when detoxing the body is releasing toxins that have been > stored > > for god knows how long. During detox I think there are more toxins > in > > the blood, and body fluid than during a period of a normal diet > > (whatever that diet may be at the time). I would hate to somehow > bring a baby > through > > that with me, which was my concern. Is it possible that breast > milk > > is somehow filtered of toxins? I just am unclear if the right > time to make that change is while > > breastfeeding. I am interested to see others experience and or > > thoughts on this subject also. > > Hi everyone, > I was just reading something about this the other day actually, I > can't remember where, I think it must have been on living- foods.com, > but during the first trimester of a womans pregnancy her body goes > through a very thorough detox of every organ for the fetal > environment to be " absolutely pristine " . Thus the first trimester is > littered with nausea, expelling the toxins from the mother's body. > (unless of course you are already raw and detoxed, like I was for my > first pregnancy and I never experienced a moment of nausea, and that > goes for this pregnancy as well, thank goodness) So a woman who is > considering breastfeeding has already gone through a very decent > detox during her pregnancy and, yes, a mother's breastmilk is > filtered. A detoxing mother doesn't mean a detoxing baby. Our > bodies were made so perfectly that these systems do have their > checks and balances, never underestimate the body's power to be > perfect!!! > Here's to happy and healthy children of the future! > Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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