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I have a question for you guys:

How does one regain health when the digestive system is in SAD shape.

 

I have two friends in their 40's who would dearly like to improve their

health, but they are in pretty bad shape after eating the Standard

American Diet (SAD) for all these years. One of them will double up in

pain if she so much as eats a piece of raw food such as banana.

Apparently she was tested and she said her system doesn't produce any

enzymes and she cannot digest raw food. The second one got all excited

about eating raw food but her digestive system is so broken down that raw

foods tear her up inside and she had a stool sample and there is blood in

her stools from eating raw food.

 

What can they do now? Juice fast? Colon cleanse? What is the first step

when someone is so far gone? Is there a book recommendation I could give

them?

 

Jenny Silliman

Sequim

 

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It seems to me that juice fasting might create diarrhea. It might

take a short water fast which would allow the body to clean out and

then maybe a juice fast before going on to raw eating. The digestive

system needs time to clean and heal before being hit with raw foods.

I know people who have diverticulitis and can't even eat any fruits

or juices and have to eat all cooked foods. Its too bad.

 

rawfood , jennysilliman@j... wrote:

> I have a question for you guys:

> How does one regain health when the digestive system is in SAD

shape.

>

> I have two friends in their 40's who would dearly like to improve

their

> health, but they are in pretty bad shape after eating the Standard

> American Diet (SAD) for all these years. One of them will double up

in

> pain if she so much as eats a piece of raw food such as banana.

> Apparently she was tested and she said her system doesn't produce

any

> enzymes and she cannot digest raw food. The second one got all

excited

> about eating raw food but her digestive system is so broken down

that raw

> foods tear her up inside and she had a stool sample and there is

blood in

> her stools from eating raw food.

>

> What can they do now? Juice fast? Colon cleanse? What is the first

step

> when someone is so far gone? Is there a book recommendation I could

give

> them?

>

> Jenny Silliman

> Sequim

>

> ______________

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Sequim,

 

Let us suppose that they have other problems unrelated to eating raw

food that is causing

their blood soaked stools! Then the question of what to do about the

root cause should take

precedence. The list of problems that can put blood in stools is long.

 

Enough said by me. I am not a medic.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

jennysilliman [jennysilliman]

10 September 2003 21:58

rawfood

[Raw Food] Regaining Health

 

 

 

I have a question for you guys:

How does one regain health when the digestive system is in SAD shape.

 

I have two friends in their 40's who would dearly like to improve their

health, but they are in pretty bad shape after eating the Standard

American Diet (SAD) for all these years. One of them will double up in

pain if she so much as eats a piece of raw food such as banana.

Apparently she was tested and she said her system doesn't produce any

enzymes and she cannot digest raw food. The second one got all excited

about eating raw food but her digestive system is so broken down that

raw foods tear her up inside and she had a stool sample and there is

blood in her stools from eating raw food.

 

What can they do now? Juice fast? Colon cleanse? What is the first step

when someone is so far gone? Is there a book recommendation I could give

them?

 

Jenny Silliman

Sequim

 

______________

The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the

web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to

sign up today!

 

 

 

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hello all,

i was wondering if juicing little bits will work............just

starting off slowly and in small quantities....... maybe their

bodies will accept it this way.........more like a question than an

answer. i'm not a doctor either. rik

 

 

 

rawfood , " Peter Gardiner "

<petergardiner@e...> wrote:

> Sequim,

>

> Let us suppose that they have other problems unrelated to eating

raw

> food that is causing

> their blood soaked stools! Then the question of what to do about

the

> root cause should take

> precedence. The list of problems that can put blood in stools is

long.

>

> Enough said by me. I am not a medic.

>

> Peter

>

>

>

>

>

> jennysilliman@j... [jennysilliman@j...]

> 10 September 2003 21:58

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Regaining Health

>

>

>

> I have a question for you guys:

> How does one regain health when the digestive system is in SAD

shape.

>

> I have two friends in their 40's who would dearly like to improve

their

> health, but they are in pretty bad shape after eating the Standard

> American Diet (SAD) for all these years. One of them will double

up in

> pain if she so much as eats a piece of raw food such as banana.

> Apparently she was tested and she said her system doesn't produce

any

> enzymes and she cannot digest raw food. The second one got all

excited

> about eating raw food but her digestive system is so broken down

that

> raw foods tear her up inside and she had a stool sample and there

is

> blood in her stools from eating raw food.

>

> What can they do now? Juice fast? Colon cleanse? What is the first

step

> when someone is so far gone? Is there a book recommendation I

could give

> them?

>

> Jenny Silliman

> Sequim

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Hi there Jenny!

 

I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are two options here:

either go for broke and go on a supervised water-fast with a properly

trained and experienced expert or take it VERY slowly making little

changes, say one a week.

 

The first would see rapid changes but would also induce mega detox

which could be quite distressing and so *MUST*, (I cannot over-

emphasize that), be done in a proper clinic with the right

personnel. There would be no food intake to cause reactions, the

system would just cleanse and years of abuse could be cleared up in a

couple of weeks. That's pretty extreme though and the person would

have to be brave and dedicated to regaining health to go for this

option. I think juice-fasting would be unhelpful in this case as the

reactions you mentioned to any raw food might get in the way. Ask an

expert though.

 

The other, which can be done alone, would be to start with small

changes and make them regularly. Perhaps, as there seems to be some

reaction to raw foods, avoid those for the time being and start

cutting down and eliminating things such as drug drinks - alcohol,

caffeine etc to start with. Then move onto getting sugar right down,

replacing all refined foods with whole ones and eating more

vegetables - cooked to start with. Also get additives and salt down

to a minimum and work towards eliminating animal foods. They could

draw up a plan to introduce one new change every 2-3 days. Within a

couple of months, they should be ready to start introducing some raw

foods and could even be on a clean, wholefood vegan diet by this

time. They'll have some detox, but it will be much gentler and the

body will be soothed and will heal slowly and gradually. When they

get to this stage, perhaps something like the 'Fit for Life' plan

would be a good next step. (This is a good book to read and is a

goal that everyone can attain to! 100% raw is not for eveeryone, but

we can all food-combine and eat 70% raw easily enough. It's by

Harvey and Marilyn Diamond.) In fact, food combining is something

that can be introduced at once. Should be, in fact.

 

> Apparently she was tested and she said her system doesn't produce

any

> enzymes and she cannot digest raw food.

 

Hmm, this isn't true. It just can't be. We need enzymes to digest

ALL foods - more for cooked as they are harder work and have none of

their own left. Without enzymes, we die! Anyway, the body can and

will heal given the right conditions. Perhaps the gentle way would

be best. They could work together and cheer each other on, yes?=)

 

> What can they do now? .... Colon cleanse?

 

This may be a good idea! A series of colonics would no doubt be a

giid investment for someone in this condition. Also, EXERCISE!

Dirty word ot many, but it speeds up detoxification and makes it

smoother and easier to bear.

 

Please let us know how they get on and what they're going to do!

 

Cheering on from the sidelines:

 

Elisabeth=)

UK

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Jenny and Elisabeth,

 

Elisabeth, you say you are no expert and neither am I but you have

broadly suggested what the experts suggest and the route I took to going

raw in the first place. I was 90% raw before I found this forum or any

notion of " Raw Foodism " as it seemed to be called. I read quite a lot

from experts.

 

An inflection I would like to offer is that there is a large place for

juicing in transition as Jenny practices. There can be juicing fasts

which help detoxification. Now, I only juice for guests.

 

The slow start as you suggest is quite fast in practice. Lets say red

meat goes in the first week, then coffee the second, sugar, poultry,

fish or sardines, etc. Tea might go up for a week or two but then its

turn will come. The smoking took a month or so with other things going.

After a few months I found I was ready to start short fasts mixing in a

bit of juicing and after suitable breaks go on the longer water fasts

with the intestinal washes. The upshot was that I never suffered badly

from detoxification and felt better and better as time went on. I never

suffered from getting worse before feeling better.

 

I suspect that many of the people who have problems going raw take on

too much too fast.

 

Peter

 

 

 

Elisabeth Braun [elisabeth.braun]

12 September 2003 23:15

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Regaining Health

 

 

 

Hi there Jenny!

 

I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are two options here:

either go for broke and go on a supervised water-fast with a properly

trained and experienced expert or take it VERY slowly making little

changes, say one a week.

 

The first would see rapid changes but would also induce mega detox

which could be quite distressing and so *MUST*, (I cannot over-

emphasize that), be done in a proper clinic with the right

personnel. There would be no food intake to cause reactions, the

system would just cleanse and years of abuse could be cleared up in a

couple of weeks. That's pretty extreme though and the person would

have to be brave and dedicated to regaining health to go for this

option. I think juice-fasting would be unhelpful in this case as the

reactions you mentioned to any raw food might get in the way. Ask an

expert though.

 

The other, which can be done alone, would be to start with small

changes and make them regularly. Perhaps, as there seems to be some

reaction to raw foods, avoid those for the time being and start

cutting down and eliminating things such as drug drinks - alcohol,

caffeine etc to start with. Then move onto getting sugar right down,

replacing all refined foods with whole ones and eating more

vegetables - cooked to start with. Also get additives and salt down

to a minimum and work towards eliminating animal foods. They could

draw up a plan to introduce one new change every 2-3 days. Within a

couple of months, they should be ready to start introducing some raw

foods and could even be on a clean, wholefood vegan diet by this

time. They'll have some detox, but it will be much gentler and the

body will be soothed and will heal slowly and gradually. When they

get to this stage, perhaps something like the 'Fit for Life' plan

would be a good next step. (This is a good book to read and is a

goal that everyone can attain to! 100% raw is not for eveeryone, but

we can all food-combine and eat 70% raw easily enough. It's by

Harvey and Marilyn Diamond.) In fact, food combining is something

that can be introduced at once. Should be, in fact.

 

> Apparently she was tested and she said her system doesn't produce

any

> enzymes and she cannot digest raw food.

 

Hmm, this isn't true. It just can't be. We need enzymes to digest

ALL foods - more for cooked as they are harder work and have none of

their own left. Without enzymes, we die! Anyway, the body can and

will heal given the right conditions. Perhaps the gentle way would

be best. They could work together and cheer each other on, yes?=)

 

> What can they do now? .... Colon cleanse?

 

This may be a good idea! A series of colonics would no doubt be a

giid investment for someone in this condition. Also, EXERCISE!

Dirty word ot many, but it speeds up detoxification and makes it

smoother and easier to bear.

 

Please let us know how they get on and what they're going to do!

 

Cheering on from the sidelines:

 

Elisabeth=)

UK

 

 

 

 

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Hi Jenny: Elisabeth has given you the paramaters and some good advice. There

is also a middle ground and a balance that is just for you, BUT!.

You can't get there from here.

To go into a prize fight event with only a smidgin of pactice is a sure way

to find disaster.

Step by step.

As Elisabeth has pinted out, get a few small victories under your belt

[excuse the pun] and go from there.

If you have a chance to browse an organic vegetable and fruit counter try

choosing a One Day Raw menue, and DO IT.

 

Next week do another with different foods.

Check how you feel the following day and when you're ready put two days

together etc.

Easy does it, makes it easy.

And let us know how you're doing.

rusty

 

 

-

" Elisabeth Braun " <elisabeth.braun

<rawfood >

Friday, September 12, 2003 2:15 PM

[Raw Food] Re: Regaining Health

 

 

> Hi there Jenny!

>

> I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are two options here:

> either go for broke and go on a supervised water-fast with a properly

> trained and experienced expert or take it VERY slowly making little

> changes, say one a week.

>

> The first would see rapid changes but would also induce mega detox

> which could be quite distressing and so *MUST*, (I cannot over-

> emphasize that), be done in a proper clinic with the right

> personnel. There would be no food intake to cause reactions, the

> system would just cleanse and years of abuse could be cleared up in a

> couple of weeks. That's pretty extreme though and the person would

> have to be brave and dedicated to regaining health to go for this

> option. I think juice-fasting would be unhelpful in this case as the

> reactions you mentioned to any raw food might get in the way. Ask an

> expert though.

>

> The other, which can be done alone, would be to start with small

> changes and make them regularly. Perhaps, as there seems to be some

> reaction to raw foods, avoid those for the time being and start

> cutting down and eliminating things such as drug drinks - alcohol,

> caffeine etc to start with. Then move onto getting sugar right down,

> replacing all refined foods with whole ones and eating more

> vegetables - cooked to start with. Also get additives and salt down

> to a minimum and work towards eliminating animal foods. They could

> draw up a plan to introduce one new change every 2-3 days. Within a

> couple of months, they should be ready to start introducing some raw

> foods and could even be on a clean, wholefood vegan diet by this

> time. They'll have some detox, but it will be much gentler and the

> body will be soothed and will heal slowly and gradually. When they

> get to this stage, perhaps something like the 'Fit for Life' plan

> would be a good next step. (This is a good book to read and is a

> goal that everyone can attain to! 100% raw is not for eveeryone, but

> we can all food-combine and eat 70% raw easily enough. It's by

> Harvey and Marilyn Diamond.) In fact, food combining is something

> that can be introduced at once. Should be, in fact.

>

> > Apparently she was tested and she said her system doesn't produce

> any

> > enzymes and she cannot digest raw food.

>

> Hmm, this isn't true. It just can't be. We need enzymes to digest

> ALL foods - more for cooked as they are harder work and have none of

> their own left. Without enzymes, we die! Anyway, the body can and

> will heal given the right conditions. Perhaps the gentle way would

> be best. They could work together and cheer each other on, yes?=)

>

> > What can they do now? .... Colon cleanse?

>

> This may be a good idea! A series of colonics would no doubt be a

> giid investment for someone in this condition. Also, EXERCISE!

> Dirty word ot many, but it speeds up detoxification and makes it

> smoother and easier to bear.

>

> Please let us know how they get on and what they're going to do!

>

> Cheering on from the sidelines:

>

> Elisabeth=)

> UK

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