Guest guest Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 I have a question for you guys: How does one regain health when the digestive system is in SAD shape. I have two friends in their 40's who would dearly like to improve their health, but they are in pretty bad shape after eating the Standard American Diet (SAD) for all these years. One of them will double up in pain if she so much as eats a piece of raw food such as banana. Apparently she was tested and she said her system doesn't produce any enzymes and she cannot digest raw food. The second one got all excited about eating raw food but her digestive system is so broken down that raw foods tear her up inside and she had a stool sample and there is blood in her stools from eating raw food. What can they do now? Juice fast? Colon cleanse? What is the first step when someone is so far gone? Is there a book recommendation I could give them? Jenny Silliman Sequim ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 It seems to me that juice fasting might create diarrhea. It might take a short water fast which would allow the body to clean out and then maybe a juice fast before going on to raw eating. The digestive system needs time to clean and heal before being hit with raw foods. I know people who have diverticulitis and can't even eat any fruits or juices and have to eat all cooked foods. Its too bad. rawfood , jennysilliman@j... wrote: > I have a question for you guys: > How does one regain health when the digestive system is in SAD shape. > > I have two friends in their 40's who would dearly like to improve their > health, but they are in pretty bad shape after eating the Standard > American Diet (SAD) for all these years. One of them will double up in > pain if she so much as eats a piece of raw food such as banana. > Apparently she was tested and she said her system doesn't produce any > enzymes and she cannot digest raw food. The second one got all excited > about eating raw food but her digestive system is so broken down that raw > foods tear her up inside and she had a stool sample and there is blood in > her stools from eating raw food. > > What can they do now? Juice fast? Colon cleanse? What is the first step > when someone is so far gone? Is there a book recommendation I could give > them? > > Jenny Silliman > Sequim > > ______________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 Sequim, Let us suppose that they have other problems unrelated to eating raw food that is causing their blood soaked stools! Then the question of what to do about the root cause should take precedence. The list of problems that can put blood in stools is long. Enough said by me. I am not a medic. Peter jennysilliman [jennysilliman] 10 September 2003 21:58 rawfood [Raw Food] Regaining Health I have a question for you guys: How does one regain health when the digestive system is in SAD shape. I have two friends in their 40's who would dearly like to improve their health, but they are in pretty bad shape after eating the Standard American Diet (SAD) for all these years. One of them will double up in pain if she so much as eats a piece of raw food such as banana. Apparently she was tested and she said her system doesn't produce any enzymes and she cannot digest raw food. The second one got all excited about eating raw food but her digestive system is so broken down that raw foods tear her up inside and she had a stool sample and there is blood in her stools from eating raw food. What can they do now? Juice fast? Colon cleanse? What is the first step when someone is so far gone? Is there a book recommendation I could give them? Jenny Silliman Sequim ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 hello all, i was wondering if juicing little bits will work............just starting off slowly and in small quantities....... maybe their bodies will accept it this way.........more like a question than an answer. i'm not a doctor either. rik rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > Sequim, > > Let us suppose that they have other problems unrelated to eating raw > food that is causing > their blood soaked stools! Then the question of what to do about the > root cause should take > precedence. The list of problems that can put blood in stools is long. > > Enough said by me. I am not a medic. > > Peter > > > > > > jennysilliman@j... [jennysilliman@j...] > 10 September 2003 21:58 > rawfood > [Raw Food] Regaining Health > > > > I have a question for you guys: > How does one regain health when the digestive system is in SAD shape. > > I have two friends in their 40's who would dearly like to improve their > health, but they are in pretty bad shape after eating the Standard > American Diet (SAD) for all these years. One of them will double up in > pain if she so much as eats a piece of raw food such as banana. > Apparently she was tested and she said her system doesn't produce any > enzymes and she cannot digest raw food. The second one got all excited > about eating raw food but her digestive system is so broken down that > raw foods tear her up inside and she had a stool sample and there is > blood in her stools from eating raw food. > > What can they do now? Juice fast? Colon cleanse? What is the first step > when someone is so far gone? Is there a book recommendation I could give > them? > > Jenny Silliman > Sequim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Hi there Jenny! I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are two options here: either go for broke and go on a supervised water-fast with a properly trained and experienced expert or take it VERY slowly making little changes, say one a week. The first would see rapid changes but would also induce mega detox which could be quite distressing and so *MUST*, (I cannot over- emphasize that), be done in a proper clinic with the right personnel. There would be no food intake to cause reactions, the system would just cleanse and years of abuse could be cleared up in a couple of weeks. That's pretty extreme though and the person would have to be brave and dedicated to regaining health to go for this option. I think juice-fasting would be unhelpful in this case as the reactions you mentioned to any raw food might get in the way. Ask an expert though. The other, which can be done alone, would be to start with small changes and make them regularly. Perhaps, as there seems to be some reaction to raw foods, avoid those for the time being and start cutting down and eliminating things such as drug drinks - alcohol, caffeine etc to start with. Then move onto getting sugar right down, replacing all refined foods with whole ones and eating more vegetables - cooked to start with. Also get additives and salt down to a minimum and work towards eliminating animal foods. They could draw up a plan to introduce one new change every 2-3 days. Within a couple of months, they should be ready to start introducing some raw foods and could even be on a clean, wholefood vegan diet by this time. They'll have some detox, but it will be much gentler and the body will be soothed and will heal slowly and gradually. When they get to this stage, perhaps something like the 'Fit for Life' plan would be a good next step. (This is a good book to read and is a goal that everyone can attain to! 100% raw is not for eveeryone, but we can all food-combine and eat 70% raw easily enough. It's by Harvey and Marilyn Diamond.) In fact, food combining is something that can be introduced at once. Should be, in fact. > Apparently she was tested and she said her system doesn't produce any > enzymes and she cannot digest raw food. Hmm, this isn't true. It just can't be. We need enzymes to digest ALL foods - more for cooked as they are harder work and have none of their own left. Without enzymes, we die! Anyway, the body can and will heal given the right conditions. Perhaps the gentle way would be best. They could work together and cheer each other on, yes?=) > What can they do now? .... Colon cleanse? This may be a good idea! A series of colonics would no doubt be a giid investment for someone in this condition. Also, EXERCISE! Dirty word ot many, but it speeds up detoxification and makes it smoother and easier to bear. Please let us know how they get on and what they're going to do! Cheering on from the sidelines: Elisabeth=) UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Jenny and Elisabeth, Elisabeth, you say you are no expert and neither am I but you have broadly suggested what the experts suggest and the route I took to going raw in the first place. I was 90% raw before I found this forum or any notion of " Raw Foodism " as it seemed to be called. I read quite a lot from experts. An inflection I would like to offer is that there is a large place for juicing in transition as Jenny practices. There can be juicing fasts which help detoxification. Now, I only juice for guests. The slow start as you suggest is quite fast in practice. Lets say red meat goes in the first week, then coffee the second, sugar, poultry, fish or sardines, etc. Tea might go up for a week or two but then its turn will come. The smoking took a month or so with other things going. After a few months I found I was ready to start short fasts mixing in a bit of juicing and after suitable breaks go on the longer water fasts with the intestinal washes. The upshot was that I never suffered badly from detoxification and felt better and better as time went on. I never suffered from getting worse before feeling better. I suspect that many of the people who have problems going raw take on too much too fast. Peter Elisabeth Braun [elisabeth.braun] 12 September 2003 23:15 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Regaining Health Hi there Jenny! I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are two options here: either go for broke and go on a supervised water-fast with a properly trained and experienced expert or take it VERY slowly making little changes, say one a week. The first would see rapid changes but would also induce mega detox which could be quite distressing and so *MUST*, (I cannot over- emphasize that), be done in a proper clinic with the right personnel. There would be no food intake to cause reactions, the system would just cleanse and years of abuse could be cleared up in a couple of weeks. That's pretty extreme though and the person would have to be brave and dedicated to regaining health to go for this option. I think juice-fasting would be unhelpful in this case as the reactions you mentioned to any raw food might get in the way. Ask an expert though. The other, which can be done alone, would be to start with small changes and make them regularly. Perhaps, as there seems to be some reaction to raw foods, avoid those for the time being and start cutting down and eliminating things such as drug drinks - alcohol, caffeine etc to start with. Then move onto getting sugar right down, replacing all refined foods with whole ones and eating more vegetables - cooked to start with. Also get additives and salt down to a minimum and work towards eliminating animal foods. They could draw up a plan to introduce one new change every 2-3 days. Within a couple of months, they should be ready to start introducing some raw foods and could even be on a clean, wholefood vegan diet by this time. They'll have some detox, but it will be much gentler and the body will be soothed and will heal slowly and gradually. When they get to this stage, perhaps something like the 'Fit for Life' plan would be a good next step. (This is a good book to read and is a goal that everyone can attain to! 100% raw is not for eveeryone, but we can all food-combine and eat 70% raw easily enough. It's by Harvey and Marilyn Diamond.) In fact, food combining is something that can be introduced at once. Should be, in fact. > Apparently she was tested and she said her system doesn't produce any > enzymes and she cannot digest raw food. Hmm, this isn't true. It just can't be. We need enzymes to digest ALL foods - more for cooked as they are harder work and have none of their own left. Without enzymes, we die! Anyway, the body can and will heal given the right conditions. Perhaps the gentle way would be best. They could work together and cheer each other on, yes?=) > What can they do now? .... Colon cleanse? This may be a good idea! A series of colonics would no doubt be a giid investment for someone in this condition. Also, EXERCISE! Dirty word ot many, but it speeds up detoxification and makes it smoother and easier to bear. Please let us know how they get on and what they're going to do! Cheering on from the sidelines: Elisabeth=) UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Hi Jenny: Elisabeth has given you the paramaters and some good advice. There is also a middle ground and a balance that is just for you, BUT!. You can't get there from here. To go into a prize fight event with only a smidgin of pactice is a sure way to find disaster. Step by step. As Elisabeth has pinted out, get a few small victories under your belt [excuse the pun] and go from there. If you have a chance to browse an organic vegetable and fruit counter try choosing a One Day Raw menue, and DO IT. Next week do another with different foods. Check how you feel the following day and when you're ready put two days together etc. Easy does it, makes it easy. And let us know how you're doing. rusty - " Elisabeth Braun " <elisabeth.braun <rawfood > Friday, September 12, 2003 2:15 PM [Raw Food] Re: Regaining Health > Hi there Jenny! > > I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are two options here: > either go for broke and go on a supervised water-fast with a properly > trained and experienced expert or take it VERY slowly making little > changes, say one a week. > > The first would see rapid changes but would also induce mega detox > which could be quite distressing and so *MUST*, (I cannot over- > emphasize that), be done in a proper clinic with the right > personnel. There would be no food intake to cause reactions, the > system would just cleanse and years of abuse could be cleared up in a > couple of weeks. That's pretty extreme though and the person would > have to be brave and dedicated to regaining health to go for this > option. I think juice-fasting would be unhelpful in this case as the > reactions you mentioned to any raw food might get in the way. Ask an > expert though. > > The other, which can be done alone, would be to start with small > changes and make them regularly. Perhaps, as there seems to be some > reaction to raw foods, avoid those for the time being and start > cutting down and eliminating things such as drug drinks - alcohol, > caffeine etc to start with. Then move onto getting sugar right down, > replacing all refined foods with whole ones and eating more > vegetables - cooked to start with. Also get additives and salt down > to a minimum and work towards eliminating animal foods. They could > draw up a plan to introduce one new change every 2-3 days. Within a > couple of months, they should be ready to start introducing some raw > foods and could even be on a clean, wholefood vegan diet by this > time. They'll have some detox, but it will be much gentler and the > body will be soothed and will heal slowly and gradually. When they > get to this stage, perhaps something like the 'Fit for Life' plan > would be a good next step. (This is a good book to read and is a > goal that everyone can attain to! 100% raw is not for eveeryone, but > we can all food-combine and eat 70% raw easily enough. It's by > Harvey and Marilyn Diamond.) In fact, food combining is something > that can be introduced at once. Should be, in fact. > > > Apparently she was tested and she said her system doesn't produce > any > > enzymes and she cannot digest raw food. > > Hmm, this isn't true. It just can't be. We need enzymes to digest > ALL foods - more for cooked as they are harder work and have none of > their own left. Without enzymes, we die! Anyway, the body can and > will heal given the right conditions. Perhaps the gentle way would > be best. They could work together and cheer each other on, yes?=) > > > What can they do now? .... Colon cleanse? > > This may be a good idea! A series of colonics would no doubt be a > giid investment for someone in this condition. Also, EXERCISE! > Dirty word ot many, but it speeds up detoxification and makes it > smoother and easier to bear. > > Please let us know how they get on and what they're going to do! > > Cheering on from the sidelines: > > Elisabeth=) > UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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