Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 Dear Doreen, I also am not a doctor but can tell you that in a brief, misguided attempt at Atkins--eating mostly vegetarian at that--I developed gout, as well as a host of other complaints. I have friends who are die hard Atkins and the husband has recently developed kidney failure. Nina Years ago my mother had a friend who was severely overweight. He had a history of kidney stones. He was a great lover of meat and enthusiastically received the Atkins Diet when it first came out. I am not a physician and cannot say if the Atkins Diet was the direct cause, but although he did lose a lot of weight, he also lost complete use of his kidneys and had to be put on dialysis permanently. Doreen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 I wanted to mention, and maybe this is obvious to everybody already, another possible complication for people who choose Atkins over more Ornish styled dietary regimens. Behavior, lifestyle, mindset. Growing up in Iowa I have seen many people who lack the mental ability to see the pleasure in eating a salad and have been raised on meat/dairy/fat. If it was good enough for grandpa then it's good enough for me, they would say to me. So when Atkins presented the option of maintaining the diet one was so accustomed to it was mentally easy, and physiologically satisfying despite what they could not feel and what they failed to read with respect to the nutritional and health consequences. Many of these people are the conservative mindset who deliberately choose to remain averse to change. They also have unhealthy coping mechanisms and tend to be prejudice of most everything foreign. They remind me of lab rats who for lack of an involuntary regurgatation system are extremely averse to new foods for fear that it could poison them and they wouldn't be able to vomit it out. Anyway, the point is that people have complex influences on their health and I would suspect many Atkins individuals have compromised health for reasons other than the diet, which contribute to the results associated with the diet. Marcus PS- Lychees are a wonderful fruit and fun to open. Ask for them in your produce section at natural foods stores or Indian/Asian markets because I know suppliers can get them in the US, just not a super high demand for 'em. --- Nina Dunham <ndunham wrote: > Dear Doreen, > > I also am not a doctor but can tell you that in a brief, misguided attempt > at Atkins--eating mostly vegetarian at that--I developed gout, as well as a > host of other complaints. I have friends who are die hard Atkins and the > husband has recently developed kidney failure. > > Nina > > Years ago my mother had a friend who was severely overweight. He had > a history of kidney stones. He was a great lover of meat and > enthusiastically received the Atkins Diet when it first came out. > > I am not a physician and cannot say if the Atkins Diet was the direct > cause, but although he did lose a lot of weight, he also lost > complete use of his kidneys and had to be put on dialysis permanently. > > Doreen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 ok, just my .02 as a trainer and nutritionist: the atkins diet works simply because it will cause the dieter to eat fewer calories. this is how ALL diets work. you could eat nothing but butter and still lose weight if you were eating fewer calories than you expended. is this a HEALTHY way to lose weight? no. does it work in the long run? no, and in fact, the weight will come back and then some because as soon as the dieter gets off the diet, the calories go up. during the diet the metabolism will drop to match the reduced number of calories. the metabolism will not come up as quickly as it went down, so the body's fat-burning mechanism will not be as efficient as it was before. this is what causes the " yo-yo " effect we all know and love. the atkins diet also causes significant fluid loss due to the excess protein consumed. it is, in essence, a pre-contest bodybuilder's diet. bodybuilders try to eliminate excess fluids before contests so that their muscles show to the fullest extent. protein uses a lot of water in the digestive process, so it will cause a dehydrative effect. this also factors into the " weight loss " on the atkins diet. the average person uses anywhere from .4 - .8 grams of protein per kg of body weight. the average athlete uses about .9-1g/kg. anything above this is simply not used by the body, and is excreted. all this excess protein can bind with calcium in the kidneys and cause stones; it can also cause edema and other fun things. carbs are not the evil entities that they are made out to be. carbohydrates are very important sources of energy, fiber, vitamins and minerals, and without them the body does not function as it should. complex carbohydrates, such as whole, unprocessed grains, fruits, and vegetables, are processed much more slowly in the body than are processed, " white " carbohydrates, and are not converted to fat as quickly. " white " carbs don't have much nutritional value, and can be safely eliminated from the diet. however, complex, " brown " carbs should make up 40-50% of your diet, unless you have a diabetic or similar condition that would require you to eat less. hope this helps. melody http://www.melodysmusic.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Like like your 2¢. Move more+ eat less= losing weight. It works! ~ PT ~ No snowflake ever falls in the wrong place. ~ Zen saying ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~> , nadiana1@a... wrote: > ok, just my .02 as a trainer and nutritionist: > > the atkins diet works simply because it will cause the dieter to eat fewer > calories. this is how ALL diets work. you could eat nothing but butter and > still lose weight if you were eating fewer calories than you expended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Melody, Thanks for giving the *real* low-down on Atkins. I work in a bookstore and if our booksales are any indication, Dr. Atkins' " corporation " has made more than than its fair share on the current dieting obsession. And they still keep cranking out " new " books to encourage people to spend, spend, spend. It drives me crazy, but there isn't much I can do about it since the higher-ups decide what to sell, and it's all about profits. *sigh* More than once I've been asked what I think about the diet (no comment, or I'll just start getting mad) and whether it works or not (not a clue, hey, I'm just a bookseller!). Your summary of the reasons why this diet works, and why it's not healthy, will give me some quality " fuel " to feed those poor hapless souls looking for a quick way to lose a few pounds. Then I'll direct them to some more reasonable dieting advice (Dr. Weil and Dr. Art Hister for the Canadian folks, both who lean towards the Veggie Way). My 2 cents well spent! Cheers, Kathy --- Melody wrote: > ok, just my .02 as a trainer and nutritionist: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 Good for you, Kathy. Just for curiousity sake, what bookstore do you work for; is it a large chain like Waldenbooks or B & N? ~ PT ~ Month of April - aerial is the horizon; Fatigued the oxen; bare the land; Common is the visitor without an invitation. ~ anon. Welsh poem ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~> , " Kathy " <treegrrl29> wrote: > Thanks for giving the *real* low-down on Atkins. I work in a > bookstore and if our booksales are any indication, Dr. > Atkins' " corporation " has made more than than its fair share on the > current dieting obsession. And they still keep cranking out " new " > books to encourage people to spend, spend, spend. It drives me crazy, > but there isn't much I can do about it since the higher-ups decide > what to sell, and it's all about profits. *sigh* > > More than once I've been asked what I think about the diet (no > comment, or I'll just start getting mad) and whether it works or not > (not a clue, hey, I'm just a bookseller!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Actually there are numerous studies that show those on Atkins and other controlled-carb plans eat more calories than those on other diets. All I know is that all the rich foods I eat are hardly low in calories. I really believe that once I got all the sugar out of my cells, my metabolism was reprogrammed. I can eat more and still lose weight. I have also read that we metabolize the calories from proteins and carbs differently, that " a calorie is not a calorie " . Has anyone read The Schwarzbein Principle? Dr. Diana Schwarzbein is a leading endocrinologist and wrote the introduction to the Somersize books (the plan I am on). She devotes a chapter to how " a calorie is not a calorie " . She says low-calorie and low fat diets are unhealthy. Her books is an eye opener and I highly recommend it. I believe this books contains vegetarian recipes, and she has a cookbook which includes vegetarian recipes, too, if anyone is interested. Also, as far as moving more and eating less, that certainly didn't work in my case. Before I started the lower-carb plan I'm on, I exercised like crazy. I tried to cut back on fat and portions and all the traditional diet tricks you hear of, but I only got bigger. I yo-yo dieted myself up to almost obesity! But once I got all the sugar out of my system and ate real food, the pounds melted off. I still exercise, but what I lost was due to what I ate, not how much I moved. Cindy , " ~ PT ~ " <patchouli_troll> wrote: > Like like your 2¢. > Move more+ eat less= losing weight. > It works! > > ~ PT ~ > > No snowflake ever falls in the wrong place. > ~ Zen saying > ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~> > , nadiana1@a... wrote: > > ok, just my .02 as a trainer and nutritionist: > > > > the atkins diet works simply because it will cause the dieter to > eat fewer > > calories. this is how ALL diets work. you could eat nothing but > butter and > > still lose weight if you were eating fewer calories than you > expended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 , " Cindy " <cindybin2001> wrote: Dr. Diana Schwarzbein is > a leading endocrinologist and wrote the introduction to the > Somersize books (the plan I am on). She devotes a chapter to how " a > calorie is not a calorie " . She says low-calorie and low fat diets > are unhealthy. well, yes and no. i do agree that a calorie is not a calorie-- the body processes certain foods differently from others. for instance, processed ( " white " ) foods, such as white flour, sugars, white rice, and even white potatoes to some degree, are very easily processed by the body-- most of the digestive work has been done already, so the body doesn't have to do much to break this stuff down. in simplest terms, without going into digestive science, whatever isn't used up right away gets stored as fat. fatty foods are also more easily stored as fat, and in addition are higher in calories per gram than other foods. however, i do not agree that a lower-calorie, lower-fat diet is unhealthy. VERY low-calorie diets (i.e., a diet that does not provide enough calories to fuel the person's weight, metabolism, and activity level) are bad-- they cause the metabolism to drop and the body to use muscle as fuel. VERY low-fat diets, i.e. diets that are under 20% fat, are also unhealthy and do not provide the body with the proper balance it needs to absorb nutrients. here is my bsaic food lecture. it should be pretty straightforward, but it's what i use as a tool to discuss with my clients, so if anything is unclear, let me know: MELODY'S WORLD-FAMOUS FOOD LECTURE Part One: Basic Calories The following is a BASIC formula for determining how many calories per day your body needs. BASIC means that your body is NOT a formula, and cannot/should not be summarized as such. The number you get from this formula should be a STARTING POINT. It may be perfect for you, or may need some tweaking in one direction or another. Do NOT, as a general rule, allow this number to drop below 1400-1500 calories per day. (WEIGHT * 11) * (your activity level—see below) + (WEIGHT * 11) ACTIVITY LEVEL: 20% = Sedentary 30% = Light Activity 40% = Strenuous Activity 3x/week + 50% = Olympic-calibre training Part Two: Melody's Rules 1) Know what you're eating!!! (read labels, buy organic whenever possible) 2) Minimize processed ( " white " ) foods 3) Be aware of portion sizes 4) Don't drink your calories!! 5) Aim to eat 5-6 small meals per day (every three hours). Each meal should have some complex carbs, some protein, and some fat. Examples: whole-grain bread with 1 tbsp. peanut butter, apple with string cheese, edamame 6) Avoid the evil High-Fructose Corn Syrup! 7) Eat like an angel 6 days, give yourself a cheat day. Part Three: Okay, So What Do I Eat?!? COMPLEX CARBOHYDRATES: 40-50% of total calories (less for diabetics/carb sensitive) DON'T NEGLECT YOUR CARBS!!! ¸ WHOLE GRAIN (or sprouted) breads/pastas (It must say " whole " ) ¸ Brown rice ¸ Amaranth, quinoa, barley, spelt, teff, etc. ¸ VEGETABLES ¸ FRUITS PROTEIN: 30-40% of total calories ¸ Lean meats (white meat poultry, fish) ¸ Egg whites ¸ Non/Lo fat dairy ¸ Soy products ¸ Beans ¸ Whole grains ¸ Nuts/seeds (in moderation) FATS: 20% of total calories GOOD FATS Mono/Polyunsaturated ¸ Olive oil ¸ Canola oil ¸ Grapeseed oil ¸ Nuts/seeds ¸ Avocadoes BAD FATS Saturated/Hydrogenated (trans fats) X Solid fats (margarine, shortening, butter) X Animal fats of all kinds (lard, dairy, meat) X Palm oil X Coconut hope this helps... melody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 You mentioned that fatty foods are more easily stored as fat, but from what I've learned through controlled-carb plans is that this is not necessarily true. It's only when you combine fatty foods with carbs, as in a donut or cookies, that they have the potential to pack on pounds. Insulin must be present for fat to be stored, and fat alone does not cause an insulin response. On Somersizing, the lower carb plan I'm on, you don't have to worry about calories, and you eat fat and protein alone, separate from carbs, so you don't raise your insulin level. , " nadiana01 " <nadiana1@a...> wrote: > , " Cindy " <cindybin2001> > wrote: > Dr. Diana Schwarzbein is > > a leading endocrinologist and wrote the introduction to the > > Somersize books (the plan I am on). She devotes a chapter to how " a > > calorie is not a calorie " . She says low-calorie and low fat diets > > are unhealthy. > > well, yes and no. i do agree that a calorie is not a calorie-- the > body processes certain foods differently from others. for instance, > processed ( " white " ) foods, such as white flour, sugars, white rice, > and even white potatoes to some degree, are very easily processed by > the body-- most of the digestive work has been done already, so the > body doesn't have to do much to break this stuff down. in simplest > terms, without going into digestive science, whatever isn't used up > right away gets stored as fat. > > fatty foods are also more easily stored as fat, and in addition are > higher in calories per gram than other foods. > > however, i do not agree that a lower-calorie, lower-fat diet is > unhealthy. VERY low-calorie diets (i.e., a diet that does not provide > enough calories to fuel the person's weight, metabolism, and activity > level) are bad-- they cause the metabolism to drop and the body to use > muscle as fuel. VERY low-fat diets, i.e. diets that are under 20% > fat, are also unhealthy and do not provide the body with the proper > balance it needs to absorb nutrients. > > here is my bsaic food lecture. it should be pretty straightforward, > but it's what i use as a tool to discuss with my clients, so if > anything is unclear, let me know: > > MELODY'S WORLD-FAMOUS FOOD LECTURE > > Part One: Basic Calories > > The following is a BASIC formula for determining how many calories per > day your body needs. BASIC means that your body is NOT a formula, and > cannot/should not be summarized as such. The number you get from this > formula should be a STARTING POINT. It may be perfect for you, or may > need some tweaking in one direction or another. Do NOT, as a general > rule, allow this number to drop below 1400-1500 calories per day. > > (WEIGHT * 11) * (your activity level—see below) + (WEIGHT * 11) > > ACTIVITY LEVEL: > 20% = Sedentary > 30% = Light Activity > 40% = Strenuous Activity 3x/week + > 50% = Olympic-calibre training > > > Part Two: Melody's Rules > > 1) Know what you're eating!!! (read labels, buy organic whenever > possible) > 2) Minimize processed ( " white " ) foods > 3) Be aware of portion sizes > 4) Don't drink your calories!! > 5) Aim to eat 5-6 small meals per day (every three hours). Each meal > should have some complex carbs, some protein, and some fat. Examples: > whole-grain bread with 1 tbsp. peanut butter, apple with string > cheese, edamame > 6) Avoid the evil High-Fructose Corn Syrup! > 7) Eat like an angel 6 days, give yourself a cheat day. > > > Part Three: Okay, So What Do I Eat?!? > > COMPLEX CARBOHYDRATES: 40-50% of total calories (less for > diabetics/carb sensitive) > DON'T NEGLECT YOUR CARBS!!! > > ¸ WHOLE GRAIN (or sprouted) breads/pastas (It must say " whole " ) > ¸ Brown rice > ¸ Amaranth, quinoa, barley, spelt, teff, etc. > ¸ VEGETABLES > ¸ FRUITS > > PROTEIN: 30-40% of total calories > > ¸ Lean meats (white meat poultry, fish) > ¸ Egg whites > ¸ Non/Lo fat dairy > ¸ Soy products > ¸ Beans > ¸ Whole grains > ¸ Nuts/seeds (in moderation) > > > FATS: 20% of total calories > > GOOD FATS > > Mono/Polyunsaturated > > ¸ Olive oil > ¸ Canola oil > ¸ Grapeseed oil > ¸ Nuts/seeds > ¸ Avocadoes > > BAD FATS > > Saturated/Hydrogenated (trans fats) > > X Solid fats (margarine, shortening, butter) > X Animal fats of all kinds (lard, dairy, meat) > X Palm oil > X Coconut > > hope this helps... > > melody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 oh, and don't even get me STARTED on how i feel about the atkins diet... blah. melody http://www.flawlessfitness.com http://www.melodysmusic.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Women can die from it! It is totally unrealistic. It causes depressian in women. Men already complain of our " PMS " so why make it worse? Little laugh time for you, Coco > > nadiana1 > 2004/07/22 Thu AM 10:43:05 EDT > > Re: atkins > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 You know I find it funny how everyone finds Atkins so healthy but always leave out the fact Dr. Atkins himself died an OBESE unhealthy man. Hmmmm...makes you wonder eh? Cheers -Jawsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Coco... never heard that women can be depressed from the Atkins Diet though I think it's proven to be ineffective nonesense. My wife and I were on it in the late 70's and she became severely depressed and unbalanced with PSM but didnt relate it to the diet. She actually didn't snap out of it while we were together, which was a difficult situation. I ended up with custody of my 3 sons whom I raised as vegetarians. They are now adults and still practicing vegetarianism. DS , Coco <squinkabink@b...> wrote: > Women can die from it! It is totally unrealistic. It causes depressian in women. > Men already complain of our " PMS " so why make it worse? > Little laugh time for you, > Coco > > > > nadiana1@a... > > 2004/07/22 Thu AM 10:43:05 EDT > > > > Re: atkins > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 That is exactly what I tell people. They say, " Well, uhhh... " Stupidity is the trend these days. It's called stop eating a humungous portion of food and eat what you know is good for you. Everyone knows what is good for them. Little kids know that hamburgers are bad for them. Only 30 minutes of exercise a day is needed to keep you in shape. Why follow trend diets that ask you not to eat fruit for an extensive amount of time. Not eating fruit...sounds totally healthy to me. Ranting Coco > " Jawsh Wright " <degenr869 > 2004/07/22 Thu PM 02:51:20 EDT > > Re: atkins > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 David, It reduces a hormone that regulates depression in women. Women already have 50% less of this hormone compared to men. It was in Reader's Digest. I was waiting in the Doctor's office. THey had two articles in favor of vegetarians. One on all of the deadly disease animal flesh contains and one on bashing Atkins. Not once did they say vegetarians avoid any of these deadly diseases. They jsut say wash this, wash that. Coco > " David Star " <hempprince > 2004/07/22 Thu PM 03:29:55 EDT > > Re: atkins > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 PS: That is wonderful that you raised your children to be vegetarians. Many people think its cruel to do so. I don't think so. I never thought so. It will make them live longer, appreciate animals and the enviorment, learn to cook(!), and be self relient. Coco > " David Star " <hempprince > 2004/07/22 Thu PM 03:29:55 EDT > > Re: atkins > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 According to his hospital records, he was not obese. Here's a quote from the Snopes article on the subject: " Thanks to his death certificate (as displayed at The Smoking Gun), we know Atkins was 258 pounds at the time of his death. Yet according to a copy of his medical records, as turned over to USA Today by the diet guru's widow, Atkins weighed 195 pounds upon admission to the hospital 8 April 2003 following his fall. He died on 17 April 2003 after having been in a coma for more than a week.? I don't think Atkins is a healthy diet, but let's not give in to urban legend hysteria, mmmkay? Jawsh Wright <degenr869 wrote: You know I find it funny how everyone finds Atkins so healthy but always leave out the fact Dr. Atkins himself died an OBESE unhealthy man. Hmmmm...makes you wonder eh? Cheers -Jawsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Coco <squinkabink wrote: >Everyone knows what is good for them. Who are you calling " everyone " ? In fact, the majority of people in the US do not know what is healthy, either in diet or behavior. >Little kids know that hamburgers are bad for them. Not unless their parents tell them. >Not eating fruit...sounds totally healthy to me. Fruit is pretty high in sugar. It's better to eat fruit than fruit juice, but it's better to eat vegetables than to eat fruit. Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 What hormone is this? Depression is a complicated illness. And frankly, I've read a lot of Reader's Digest, and they aren't a very reliable source. They print what is popular, not necessarily what is factual. They also have a very narrow political bias: they are a conservative Christian publication (they are open about this, it's not something I'm inferring.) Coco <squinkabink wrote: David, It reduces a hormone that regulates depression in women. Women already have 50% less of this hormone compared to men. Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Did anyone laugh at the mmmk? That cracks me up everytime. Does anyone know what show that's from? Coco Oh, the weight was all lies. He wasn't either one, but he wasn't exactly at a healthy weight. reptile grrl [reptilegoddess] Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:48 PM Re: Re: atkins According to his hospital records, he was not obese. Here's a quote from the Snopes article on the subject: " Thanks to his death certificate (as displayed at The Smoking Gun), we know Atkins was 258 pounds at the time of his death. Yet according to a copy of his medical records, as turned over to USA Today by the diet guru's widow, Atkins weighed 195 pounds upon admission to the hospital 8 April 2003 following his fall. He died on 17 April 2003 after having been in a coma for more than a week.? I don't think Atkins is a healthy diet, but let's not give in to urban legend hysteria, mmmkay? Jawsh Wright <degenr869 wrote: You know I find it funny how everyone finds Atkins so healthy but always leave out the fact Dr. Atkins himself died an OBESE unhealthy man. Hmmmm...makes you wonder eh? Cheers -Jawsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 I'm sorry I'm not sure exactly what it was. It started with a S that is all I am positive about. I was not able to recall much, so just ignore what I said. reptile grrl [reptilegoddess] Thursday, July 22, 2004 4:02 PM Re: Re: atkins What hormone is this? Depression is a complicated illness. And frankly, I've read a lot of Reader's Digest, and they aren't a very reliable source. They print what is popular, not necessarily what is factual. They also have a very narrow political bias: they are a conservative Christian publication (they are open about this, it's not something I'm inferring.) Coco <squinkabink wrote: David, It reduces a hormone that regulates depression in women. Women already have 50% less of this hormone compared to men. Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Dr. Atkins did not die an obese an unhealthy man. He had a heart condition that was totally unrelated to his diet, and was on medication that caused weight gain at the end of his life. His doctors told him to continue eating just the way he always had. Atkins is not about sitting around gorging on bacon all day as the media portrays. It is mostly vegetables! It's all about balance, adjusting your intake of healthy, whole-grain carbs to your metabolism and activity level. You also cut out sugar and refined carbs, and eat a normal amount of healthy protein and fats. It has worked for a lot of people. I am not on Atkins but I have read the books and have used the recipes. I have been on Somersize, a lower carb plan, for the past 3 years. It is simlar to Atkins but no induction period, so I did eat some fruit all along. It is true that you don't eat fruit for a while on Atkins, but it is not forever. Many people need to cut out carbohydrates like that which will spike their insulin level, in order to jump-start their weight loss. It is only for a short time though. As I said, Atkins (and Somersize) incorporates lots and lots of vegetables and I believe these plans are very healthy. You can even do Somersize as vegetarian. ~Cindy , " Jawsh Wright " <degenr869> wrote: > You know I find it funny how everyone finds Atkins so healthy but > always leave out the fact Dr. Atkins himself died an OBESE unhealthy > man. Hmmmm...makes you wonder eh? Cheers > > -Jawsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Ok, I have read Dr. Atkin's book too. I read it when my SO went on the diet. Although I cannot speak as to the healthiness of the diet itself (I myself try to eat in a low-processed carb way; i.e. very little breads, pastas, sugar, and other processed carbs; I prefer to get my carbs from vegetables), the book was full of misinformation. Dr. Atkins was a medical doctor, but I strongly suspect that the book was ghostwritten, because some of the assertions in the book are not at all true, and in fact are medically irresponsible. For instance, the book discusses carbohydrate cravings or addictions. The book says that a craving for or addiction to a certain food or food group is " food intolerance. " This is obviously not true- a food intolerance is an allergy or inability to digest a food. It's not a craving! Any doctor, especially one who has come to specialize in diet, would know that. The book also claims that death due to myocardial infarction was unknown before the 20th century. This is also untrue! In fact, people (mostly men, because they ate more) very often died of what we now know as myocardial infarction. They just called it by a different name! If someone had lots of chest pains, and then died of what appeared to be a " heart attack " , the popular term was that " his heart burst " . So while it's true that death certificates didn't say things like " heart disease " in the 19th century, it is blatantly not true that heart disease did not occur very much. It's true that the book does advise that one eventually eat many vegetables. However, the initial induction phase is very low-carbohydrate, and one can eat almost no vegetables while on induction. My SO was allowed to eat a spinach salad every day. That was it. I've heard really good things about Somersize. I'm just not interested, personally, in following a strict regimen of " can eat this, can't eat that " . I like to eat what I feel like eating when I feel like it- I think it's good to listen to my body. - priscilla Cindy <cindybin2001 wrote: Dr. Atkins did not die an obese an unhealthy man. He had a heart condition that was totally unrelated to his diet, and was on medication that caused weight gain at the end of his life. His doctors told him to continue eating just the way he always had. Atkins is not about sitting around gorging on bacon all day as the media portrays. It is mostly vegetables! It's all about balance, adjusting your intake of healthy, whole-grain carbs to your metabolism and activity level. You also cut out sugar and refined carbs, and eat a normal amount of healthy protein and fats. It has worked for a lot of people. I am not on Atkins but I have read the books and have used the recipes. I have been on Somersize, a lower carb plan, for the past 3 years. It is simlar to Atkins but no induction period, so I did eat some fruit all along. It is true that you don't eat fruit for a while on Atkins, but it is not forever. Many people need to cut out carbohydrates like that which will spike their insulin level, in order to jump-start their weight loss. It is only for a short time though. As I said, Atkins (and Somersize) incorporates lots and lots of vegetables and I believe these plans are very healthy. You can even do Somersize as vegetarian. ~Cindy Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 I don't feel that Somersize is a strict regimen--I do listen to my body, as you said. What would drive me crazy is something like Weight Watchers, counting points all day. No offense to anyone on that program, but definitely not for me. I like eating as much as I want whenever I'm hungry, and not worrying about points, calories, etc. I agree, there are few vegetables allowed on Atkins during induction. This is just for a very short time, though. It's really irritating when the media portrays the Atkins plan as completely eliminating carbs forever. Many people need to severely restrict any type of carbs at first, in order to jumpstart their weight loss. I personally did not need to do that, but I can see the reasoning behind it. ~Cindy , reptile grrl <reptilegoddess> wrote: > Ok, I have read Dr. Atkin's book too. I read it when my SO went on the diet. > > Although I cannot speak as to the healthiness of the diet itself (I myself try to eat in a low-processed carb way; i.e. very little breads, pastas, sugar, and other processed carbs; I prefer to get my carbs from vegetables), the book was full of misinformation. Dr. Atkins was a medical doctor, but I strongly suspect that the book was ghostwritten, because some of the assertions in the book are not at all true, and in fact are medically irresponsible. > > For instance, the book discusses carbohydrate cravings or addictions. The book says that a craving for or addiction to a certain food or food group is " food intolerance. " This is obviously not true- a food intolerance is an allergy or inability to digest a food. It's not a craving! Any doctor, especially one who has come to specialize in diet, would know that. > > The book also claims that death due to myocardial infarction was unknown before the 20th century. This is also untrue! In fact, people (mostly men, because they ate more) very often died of what we now know as myocardial infarction. They just called it by a different name! If someone had lots of chest pains, and then died of what appeared to be a " heart attack " , the popular term was that " his heart burst " . So while it's true that death certificates didn't say things like " heart disease " in the 19th century, it is blatantly not true that heart disease did not occur very much. > > It's true that the book does advise that one eventually eat many vegetables. However, the initial induction phase is very low- carbohydrate, and one can eat almost no vegetables while on induction. My SO was allowed to eat a spinach salad every day. That was it. > > I've heard really good things about Somersize. I'm just not interested, personally, in following a strict regimen of " can eat this, can't eat that " . I like to eat what I feel like eating when I feel like it- I think it's good to listen to my body. > > - priscilla > > Cindy <cindybin2001> wrote: > Dr. Atkins did not die an obese an unhealthy man. He had a heart > condition that was totally unrelated to his diet, and was on > medication that caused weight gain at the end of his life. His > doctors told him to continue eating just the way he always had. > Atkins is not about sitting around gorging on bacon all day as the > media portrays. It is mostly vegetables! It's all about balance, > adjusting your intake of healthy, whole-grain carbs to your > metabolism and activity level. You also cut out sugar and refined > carbs, and eat a normal amount of healthy protein and fats. It has > worked for a lot of people. I am not on Atkins but I have read the > books and have used the recipes. I have been on Somersize, a lower > carb plan, for the past 3 years. It is simlar to Atkins but no > induction period, so I did eat some fruit all along. It is true that > you don't eat fruit for a while on Atkins, but it is not forever. > Many people need to cut out carbohydrates like that which will spike > their insulin level, in order to jump-start their weight loss. It is > only for a short time though. As I said, Atkins (and Somersize) > incorporates lots and lots of vegetables and I believe these plans > are very healthy. You can even do Somersize as vegetarian. > > ~Cindy > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 Those Atkins fools dont know about meat rendering and all the horrible toxins that go into " animal protien " that is put in animal feed. May the fool rot in his own stew and all the others like him. My virtual art studio http://www.birthofanangel.com/atmara.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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