Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Hello Shell, You wrote in reference to the articles on the Weston Price web site " Please may I ask why you are a raw food vegetarian if you respect the writings on this web site. " I don't respect all the writings, but many of them are great. I only read the articles that interest me. You mentioned reading the article about a pig heart transplant, that subject doesn't interest me so I haven't read it! I respect the work of Weston Price and his book " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration " . I also respect the work of Francis M. Pottenger and his study " Pottenger's Cats " . Because I respect both Price and Pottenger, I respect the work of the The Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation (PPNF). I respect their work on vegetarian nutrition, such as properly prepared grains and raw organic dairy. This is an article on Pottenger's Cats: http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/PottsCats.htm I am a raw vegetarian, and the PPNF articles provide me with good articles on the importance of raw butter, raw milk, and raw yougurt. Here is another article on Doug Morrison's web site about Price and raw butter: http://www.topica.com/lists/howweheal/read/message.html? mid=806335425 & sort=d & start=74 I also respect Doug Morrison and his book " How We Heal " . Doug is a huge fan of Weston Price and the PPNF. The PPNF has another great website: http://www.realmilk.com/ Mike rawfood , " Andy & Shell " <andy.mich@n...> wrote: > Hi Mike, > Thank you for answering my E-mail. > Sorry for my use of the word flog, here in the UK, this simply means to > sell and I was refering to the other articles, not the Weston Price ones. > Please may I ask why you are a raw food vegetarian if you respect the > writings on this web site. In almost every article he disagrees with a > vegetarian diet, except for people with extreme conditions. I don't know > where to start to point out examples, but perhaps start with > http://www.westonaprice.org/myths_truths/myths_truths_vegetarianism.ht ml > I have been a healthy vegan for over ten years, and would never plummit into > being totally raw, without fully investigating the health issues first, > which is why I'm giving you the third degree (hope you don't mind my > questions). Many of the things I read at this site had me hopping mad, but, > you are right in that other articles seemed very sensible. Arguements such > as that it is kind to animals to eat them, as long as we treat them well > during their shortened lives doesn't hold any sway for me. Also, using the > arguements that woman should choose whether or not she would have a pigs > heart transplanted to save her own child is so rediculous. If he can't see > that a person in such a distressed state is not fit to make such a decision > and that should be up to law, then he's lost. Why not let murder victims > relatives make up the sentence, or ask, would you buy a homeless persons > liver for your dying husband. These are not things that should be asked of > a desperate person. > Anyway, I'm not sure I can read any more, it just gets me mad. I hope you > are not offended, as I'm truely glad to have browsed the site and I did take > note of many other things, and as you suggested did not dismiss it all out > of hand. I appreciate all reading materials and hopefully stay with an open > mind. > Love Shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Mike, " I don't respect all the writings " I do not respect yours any more. Peter Mike [snyder68] 16 September 2003 21:31 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Weston Price Hello Shell, You wrote in reference to the articles on the Weston Price web site " Please may I ask why you are a raw food vegetarian if you respect the writings on this web site. " I don't respect all the writings, but many of them are great. I only read the articles that interest me. You mentioned reading the article about a pig heart transplant, that subject doesn't interest me so I haven't read it! I respect the work of Weston Price and his book " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration " . I also respect the work of Francis M. Pottenger and his study " Pottenger's Cats " . Because I respect both Price and Pottenger, I respect the work of the The Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation (PPNF). I respect their work on vegetarian nutrition, such as properly prepared grains and raw organic dairy. This is an article on Pottenger's Cats: http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/PottsCats.htm I am a raw vegetarian, and the PPNF articles provide me with good articles on the importance of raw butter, raw milk, and raw yougurt. Here is another article on Doug Morrison's web site about Price and raw butter: http://www.topica.com/lists/howweheal/read/message.html? mid=806335425 & sort=d & start=74 I also respect Doug Morrison and his book " How We Heal " . Doug is a huge fan of Weston Price and the PPNF. The PPNF has another great website: http://www.realmilk.com/ Mike rawfood , " Andy & Shell " <andy.mich@n...> wrote: > Hi Mike, > Thank you for answering my E-mail. > Sorry for my use of the word flog, here in the UK, this simply means to > sell and I was refering to the other articles, not the Weston Price ones. > Please may I ask why you are a raw food vegetarian if you respect the > writings on this web site. In almost every article he disagrees with a > vegetarian diet, except for people with extreme conditions. I don't know > where to start to point out examples, but perhaps start with > http://www.westonaprice.org/myths_truths/myths_truths_vegetarianism.ht ml > I have been a healthy vegan for over ten years, and would never plummit into > being totally raw, without fully investigating the health issues first, > which is why I'm giving you the third degree (hope you don't mind my > questions). Many of the things I read at this site had me hopping mad, but, > you are right in that other articles seemed very sensible. Arguements such > as that it is kind to animals to eat them, as long as we treat them well > during their shortened lives doesn't hold any sway for me. Also, using the > arguements that woman should choose whether or not she would have a pigs > heart transplanted to save her own child is so rediculous. If he can't see > that a person in such a distressed state is not fit to make such a decision > and that should be up to law, then he's lost. Why not let murder victims > relatives make up the sentence, or ask, would you buy a homeless persons > liver for your dying husband. These are not things that should be asked of > a desperate person. > Anyway, I'm not sure I can read any more, it just gets me mad. I hope you > are not offended, as I'm truely glad to have browsed the site and I did take > note of many other things, and as you suggested did not dismiss it all out > of hand. I appreciate all reading materials and hopefully stay with an open > mind. > Love Shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > > I do not respect yours any more. > > Peter Peter, Why are you throwing the baby out with the bathwater? The info on the Weston Price site can be applied to a vegetarian diet free of meat. There are many highly scientific observations on tbe Weston Price site. There are studies of people and there health and longevity and what they ate. There is also some great info on certain nutrients in animal foods. (BTW, a DHA and b12 deficiency causes irational anger . The info on the Weston Price site can be applied to a vegetarian diet free of meat. Hi Mike! Pete > > > Mike [snyder68@h...] > 16 September 2003 21:31 > rawfood > [Raw Food] Re: Weston Price > > > > Hello Shell, > > You wrote in reference to the articles on the Weston Price web site > " Please may I ask why you are a raw food vegetarian if you respect > the writings on this web site. " > > I don't respect all the writings, but many of them are great. I > only read the articles that interest me. You mentioned reading the > article about a pig heart transplant, that subject doesn't interest > me so I haven't read it! > > I respect the work of Weston Price and his book " Nutrition and > Physical Degeneration " . I also respect the work of Francis M. > Pottenger and his study " Pottenger's Cats " . Because I respect both > Price and Pottenger, I respect the work of the The Price-Pottenger > Nutrition Foundation (PPNF). I respect their work on vegetarian > nutrition, such as properly prepared grains and raw organic dairy. > > This is an article on Pottenger's Cats: > http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/PottsCats.htm > > I am a raw vegetarian, and the PPNF articles provide me with good > articles on the importance of raw butter, raw milk, and raw yougurt. > Here is another article on Doug Morrison's web site about Price and > raw butter: > > http://www.topica.com/lists/howweheal/read/message.html? > mid=806335425 & sort=d & start=74 > > I also respect Doug Morrison and his book " How We Heal " . Doug is a > huge fan of Weston Price and the PPNF. > > The PPNF has another great website: http://www.realmilk.com/ > > Mike > > rawfood , " Andy & Shell " <andy.mich@n...> wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Thank you for answering my E-mail. > > Sorry for my use of the word flog, here in the UK, this simply > means to > > sell and I was refering to the other articles, not the Weston Price > ones. > > Please may I ask why you are a raw food vegetarian if you respect > the > > writings on this web site. In almost every article he disagrees > with a > > vegetarian diet, except for people with extreme conditions. I > don't know > > where to start to point out examples, but perhaps start with > > > http://www.westonaprice.org/myths_truths/myths_truths_vegetarianism.ht > ml > > I have been a healthy vegan for over ten years, and would never > plummit into > > being totally raw, without fully investigating the health issues > first, > > which is why I'm giving you the third degree (hope you don't mind my > > questions). Many of the things I read at this site had me hopping > mad, but, > > you are right in that other articles seemed very sensible. > Arguements such > > as that it is kind to animals to eat them, as long as we treat them > well > > during their shortened lives doesn't hold any sway for me. Also, > using the > > arguements that woman should choose whether or not she would have a > pigs > > heart transplanted to save her own child is so rediculous. If he > can't see > > that a person in such a distressed state is not fit to make such a > decision > > and that should be up to law, then he's lost. Why not let murder > victims > > relatives make up the sentence, or ask, would you buy a homeless > persons > > liver for your dying husband. These are not things that should be > asked of > > a desperate person. > > Anyway, I'm not sure I can read any more, it just gets me mad. I > hope you > > are not offended, as I'm truely glad to have browsed the site and I > did take > > note of many other things, and as you suggested did not dismiss it > all out > > of hand. I appreciate all reading materials and hopefully stay > with an open > > mind. > > Love Shell. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Mike, Why would I gain anything by reading Weston Price pages? I would have a problem reading more than a bit about the merits of eating animal food. I can understand that long ago we were all fishes and ate each other but that was sufficiently long ago for evolution to re-adjust with tens of millions of years to spare. More careful inspection of the mamalalian phenomenon is merited before a carnivorous passage for man is counselled. Sorry for Brian who was upset by me... Peter alreadyherenow [no_reply ] 16 September 2003 22:27 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Weston Price rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > > I do not respect yours any more. > > Peter Peter, Why are you throwing the baby out with the bathwater? The info on the Weston Price site can be applied to a vegetarian diet free of meat. There are many highly scientific observations on tbe Weston Price site. There are studies of people and there health and longevity and what they ate. There is also some great info on certain nutrients in animal foods. (BTW, a DHA and b12 deficiency causes irational anger . The info on the Weston Price site can be applied to a vegetarian diet free of meat. Hi Mike! Pete > > > Mike [snyder68@h...] > 16 September 2003 21:31 > rawfood > [Raw Food] Re: Weston Price > > > > Hello Shell, > > You wrote in reference to the articles on the Weston Price web site > " Please may I ask why you are a raw food vegetarian if you respect > the writings on this web site. " > > I don't respect all the writings, but many of them are great. I > only read the articles that interest me. You mentioned reading the > article about a pig heart transplant, that subject doesn't interest > me so I haven't read it! > > I respect the work of Weston Price and his book " Nutrition and > Physical Degeneration " . I also respect the work of Francis M. > Pottenger and his study " Pottenger's Cats " . Because I respect both > Price and Pottenger, I respect the work of the The Price-Pottenger > Nutrition Foundation (PPNF). I respect their work on vegetarian > nutrition, such as properly prepared grains and raw organic dairy. > > This is an article on Pottenger's Cats: > http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/PottsCats.htm > > I am a raw vegetarian, and the PPNF articles provide me with good > articles on the importance of raw butter, raw milk, and raw yougurt. > Here is another article on Doug Morrison's web site about Price and > raw butter: > > http://www.topica.com/lists/howweheal/read/message.html? > mid=806335425 & sort=d & start=74 > > I also respect Doug Morrison and his book " How We Heal " . Doug is a > huge fan of Weston Price and the PPNF. > > The PPNF has another great website: http://www.realmilk.com/ > > Mike > > rawfood , " Andy & Shell " <andy.mich@n...> wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Thank you for answering my E-mail. > > Sorry for my use of the word flog, here in the UK, this simply > means to > > sell and I was refering to the other articles, not the Weston Price > ones. > > Please may I ask why you are a raw food vegetarian if you respect > the > > writings on this web site. In almost every article he disagrees > with a > > vegetarian diet, except for people with extreme conditions. I > don't know > > where to start to point out examples, but perhaps start with > > > http://www.westonaprice.org/myths_truths/myths_truths_vegetarianism.ht > ml > > I have been a healthy vegan for over ten years, and would never > plummit into > > being totally raw, without fully investigating the health issues > first, > > which is why I'm giving you the third degree (hope you don't mind my > > questions). Many of the things I read at this site had me hopping > mad, but, > > you are right in that other articles seemed very sensible. > Arguements such > > as that it is kind to animals to eat them, as long as we treat them > well > > during their shortened lives doesn't hold any sway for me. Also, > using the > > arguements that woman should choose whether or not she would have a > pigs > > heart transplanted to save her own child is so rediculous. If he > can't see > > that a person in such a distressed state is not fit to make such a > decision > > and that should be up to law, then he's lost. Why not let murder > victims > > relatives make up the sentence, or ask, would you buy a homeless > persons > > liver for your dying husband. These are not things that should be > asked of > > a desperate person. > > Anyway, I'm not sure I can read any more, it just gets me mad. I > hope you > > are not offended, as I'm truely glad to have browsed the site and I > did take > > note of many other things, and as you suggested did not dismiss it > all out > > of hand. I appreciate all reading materials and hopefully stay > with an open > > mind. > > Love Shell. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > > Why would I gain anything by reading Weston Price pages? There are direct factual anthropological observations, scientific studies, and other facts there to be gained. You would gain factual knowledge and be exposed to logical ideas that would question and challenge your current beleif system. This is healthy. Are you scared that you will find info there that will shake the foundations of our beliefs? << I would have a problem reading more than a bit about the merits of > eating animal food. I can understand that long ago we were all fishes > and ate each other but that was sufficiently long ago for evolution to > re-adjust with tens of millions of years to spare.>> There has never been any indication that we ever adjusted to a vegan diet. There is no evidence we were ever vegan. Lots of evidence, like comparative anatomy and fossil records indicates we have always eaten a percentage of animals foods. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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