Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 nickysparkler <nickysparkler wrote: Hi I remember Pete from another raw foods board as well. Apparantly he eats 100% raw fruits & vegetables and all he has added in to combat B-Vitamin Deficiencies is raw egg yolks and for that people were vicious towards him. TEV: Yep. Pete has been booted off of other forums (as: Paleo Pete; No Dogma Pete; etc.) I dispute that anyone was vicious. He seems to have gotten what he deserved, in my opinion. Each time I have seen his posts, he has attempted to insert his opinion over those of others. One of his assertions was that the human digestive tract resembled most closely that of a dog's. That is a false statement. He inserted his opinion as if his were right and the opinions of others were wrong. I think he became combative due to his treatment on other boards. TEV: I disagree. He produced the combativeness via his assertions and the way he asserted them. I do understand that because eggs are animal products they may not go over well on a raw VEGAN board. I just kind of wish Pete could start a group that was based on a 100% raw diet that included raw egg yolks & maybe raw goats milk. I think they (especially raw egg yolks) could be the missing ingredient that could help people stay 100% raw w/out deficiencies and cravings, drastic weight loss etc. TEV: This is what Pete " should " have done; ie, start his own group based on his assertion that animal foods are needed. IOW, he wasn't in the raw vegan forums to share an accord; instead he was simply throwing around his agenda and his idealogy. Why not set up a group Nicky, if you " wish " it to be so? thanks nicky The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Good point. Pete should start his own group and disseminate his beliefs there instead of creating controversy on these other groups. It's free to do on . Anyone can create a group. As far as B vitamins. On a vegan raw diet you get an abundance of B vitamins. Just go to www.fitday.com <http://www.fitday.com/> and enter what you eat on a daily basis. If you eat lots of fruits and green veggies you'll have an abundance of B vitamins without eating eggs. The only thing you'll really be short on according to the USRDA would be B12, D and calcium. Bacteria in the body produces B12, we don't necessarily need to ingest it, we get D from daily exposure to sunlight. If you don't get enough sunlight then you may need to supplement with vitamin D. We don't need excessive amounts of calcium if we eat a low protein diet. The Chinese have about a 40% lower calcium intake than in the US and yet they virtually have no osteoporosis. If you eat lots of green leafy veggies you'll get plenty of calcium. Here's a quote from the Q and A section page 243 of Eat to Live by Dr. Joel Fuhrman. " Q: I feel best when I eat a high-protein diet, with plenty of animal products. Does that mean these recommendations, to eat a plant-based diet, are not for me? A: I have thousands of patients eating a vegetarian or near vegetarian diets, and over the past fifteen years have noted a very small percentage of the total who initially report that they feel better with significant animal products in their diet and worse on a vegetarian diet. Almost all these complaints resolve with time on the new diet. I believe the main reasons for this are as follows: A diet heavily burdened with animal products places a toxic stress on the detoxification systems of the body. As with stopping caffeine, cigarettes, and heroin, many observe withdrawal symptoms for a short period, usually including fatigue, weakness, headaches, or loose stools. In 95 percent of these cases, these symptoms resolve within two weeks. It is more common that the temporary adjustment period lasts less than a week, in which you might feel fatigue, have headaches or gas, or experience other mild symptoms as your body withdraws from your prior toxic habits. Don't buy the fallacy that you " need more protein. " The menus in this book offer sufficient protein - and protein deficiency does not cause fatigue. (My emphasis) Even my vegan menus supply about 50 grams of protein per 1,000 calories, a whopping amount. Stopping dangerous but stimulating foods causes temporary fatigue. Increased gas and loose stools are also occasionally observed when switching to a diet containing so much fiber and different fibers that the digestive tract has never encountered before. Over many years, the body has adjusted its secretions and peristaltic waves (digestive-related bowel contractions) to a low-fiber diet. These symptoms also improve with time. Chewing extra well, sometimes even blending salads, helps in this period of transition. Some people must avoid beans initially, and then use them only in small amounts, adding more to the diet gradually over a period of weeks to train the digestive tract to handle and digest these new fibers. Certain people have increased fat requirements, and the type of vegetarian diet they may have been on in the past was not rich enough in certain essential fats for them. This can occur in those eating a plant-based diet that includes lots of low-fat wheat and grain products. Frequently, adding ground flaxseed or flaxseed oil to the diet to supply additional omega-3 fats is helpful. Some, especially thin individuals, require more calories and more fat to sustain weight. This is usually " fixed " by including raw nuts, raw nut butters, avocados, and other healthy foods that are nutrient-rich and also high in fat and calories. Even these naturally thin individuals will significantly improve their health and lower their risk of degenerative diseases if they reduce their dependency on animal foods and consume more plant-derived fats, such as nuts, instead. There is also the rare individual who needs more concentrated sources of protein and fat in his diet because of digestive impairment, Crohn's disease, short gut syndromes, or other uncommon medical conditions. I have also encountered patients on rare occasions who become too thin and malnourished on what I would consider an ideal, nutrient-dense diet. On such occasions, more animal products have been needed to reduce fiber content, slow transit time in the gut, and aid absorption and concentration of amino acids at each meal. This problem usually is the result of some digestive impairment or difficulty with absorption. I have only seen a handful of such cases in the past ten years of practice. In other words, not even one in 100, in my estimation, requires animal products regularly in his diet. (My emphasis) These individuals should still follow my general recommendations for excellent health and can accommodate their individual needs by keeping animal-product consumption down to comparatively low levels. " I thought this would benefit and ease the fears of many in this group. Dr. Fuhrman has been recommending a mostly raw food and vegan diet to people for 15 years. So he has quite a bit of experience when it comes to these issues. He seems quite practical. He doesn't live by a philosophy only. He'll adjust his recommendations depending on the health and results his patients are getting. I believe if we were healthy a vegan diet raw food diet would be ideal. But not all of us have everything working properly inside of us anymore. However as Dr. Fuhrman points out those individuals are rare. Pete was probably one of those individuals. To Your Radiant Health and Happiness, Roger Haeske Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100% Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske, the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and http://www.superbeing.com. Go to http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn how to go 100% RAW. tev treowlufu [goraw808] Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:51 PM rawfood [Raw Food] For Pete's sake nickysparkler <nickysparkler wrote: Hi I remember Pete from another raw foods board as well. Apparantly he eats 100% raw fruits & vegetables and all he has added in to combat B-Vitamin Deficiencies is raw egg yolks and for that people were vicious towards him. TEV: Yep. Pete has been booted off of other forums (as: Paleo Pete; No Dogma Pete; etc.) I dispute that anyone was vicious. He seems to have gotten what he deserved, in my opinion. Each time I have seen his posts, he has attempted to insert his opinion over those of others. One of his assertions was that the human digestive tract resembled most closely that of a dog's. That is a false statement. He inserted his opinion as if his were right and the opinions of others were wrong. I think he became combative due to his treatment on other boards. TEV: I disagree. He produced the combativeness via his assertions and the way he asserted them. I do understand that because eggs are animal products they may not go over well on a raw VEGAN board. I just kind of wish Pete could start a group that was based on a 100% raw diet that included raw egg yolks & maybe raw goats milk. I think they (especially raw egg yolks) could be the missing ingredient that could help people stay 100% raw w/out deficiencies and cravings, drastic weight loss etc. TEV: This is what Pete " should " have done; ie, start his own group based on his assertion that animal foods are needed. IOW, he wasn't in the raw vegan forums to share an accord; instead he was simply throwing around his agenda and his idealogy. Why not set up a group Nicky, if you " wish " it to be so? thanks nicky The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Roger, Thank you for that informative post. It is so helpful and, as you state, reassuring when we constantly hear contratictory advice. --Jenny Silliman Sequim, WA ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Roger, I'd like to offer this one on the back foot as it may be outside this forum's area. A recent blood test I had showed high homocystine for which the treatment was B6 and B12. Also for the lipid all readings were good save Lipoprotein (A) for which reading was very high and the medic wants to use slow Niacin. I think the latter is also called B3. I do not know what it is. Thus I am still hunting to get my diet straight. That was a rub from Pete to me! Peter Roger Haeske [roger] 24 September 2003 21:38 rawfood RE: [Raw Food] For Pete's sake Good point. Pete should start his own group and disseminate his beliefs there instead of creating controversy on these other groups. It's free to do on . Anyone can create a group. As far as B vitamins. On a vegan raw diet you get an abundance of B vitamins. Just go to www.fitday.com <http://www.fitday.com/> and enter what you eat on a daily basis. If you eat lots of fruits and green veggies you'll have an abundance of B vitamins without eating eggs. The only thing you'll really be short on according to the USRDA would be B12, D and calcium. Bacteria in the body produces B12, we don't necessarily need to ingest it, we get D from daily exposure to sunlight. If you don't get enough sunlight then you may need to supplement with vitamin D. We don't need excessive amounts of calcium if we eat a low protein diet. The Chinese have about a 40% lower calcium intake than in the US and yet they virtually have no osteoporosis. If you eat lots of green leafy veggies you'll get plenty of calcium. Here's a quote from the Q and A section page 243 of Eat to Live by Dr. Joel Fuhrman. " Q: I feel best when I eat a high-protein diet, with plenty of animal products. Does that mean these recommendations, to eat a plant-based diet, are not for me? A: I have thousands of patients eating a vegetarian or near vegetarian diets, and over the past fifteen years have noted a very small percentage of the total who initially report that they feel better with significant animal products in their diet and worse on a vegetarian diet. Almost all these complaints resolve with time on the new diet. I believe the main reasons for this are as follows: A diet heavily burdened with animal products places a toxic stress on the detoxification systems of the body. As with stopping caffeine, cigarettes, and heroin, many observe withdrawal symptoms for a short period, usually including fatigue, weakness, headaches, or loose stools. In 95 percent of these cases, these symptoms resolve within two weeks. It is more common that the temporary adjustment period lasts less than a week, in which you might feel fatigue, have headaches or gas, or experience other mild symptoms as your body withdraws from your prior toxic habits. Don't buy the fallacy that you " need more protein. " The menus in this book offer sufficient protein - and protein deficiency does not cause fatigue. (My emphasis) Even my vegan menus supply about 50 grams of protein per 1,000 calories, a whopping amount. Stopping dangerous but stimulating foods causes temporary fatigue. Increased gas and loose stools are also occasionally observed when switching to a diet containing so much fiber and different fibers that the digestive tract has never encountered before. Over many years, the body has adjusted its secretions and peristaltic waves (digestive-related bowel contractions) to a low-fiber diet. These symptoms also improve with time. Chewing extra well, sometimes even blending salads, helps in this period of transition. Some people must avoid beans initially, and then use them only in small amounts, adding more to the diet gradually over a period of weeks to train the digestive tract to handle and digest these new fibers. Certain people have increased fat requirements, and the type of vegetarian diet they may have been on in the past was not rich enough in certain essential fats for them. This can occur in those eating a plant-based diet that includes lots of low-fat wheat and grain products. Frequently, adding ground flaxseed or flaxseed oil to the diet to supply additional omega-3 fats is helpful. Some, especially thin individuals, require more calories and more fat to sustain weight. This is usually " fixed " by including raw nuts, raw nut butters, avocados, and other healthy foods that are nutrient-rich and also high in fat and calories. Even these naturally thin individuals will significantly improve their health and lower their risk of degenerative diseases if they reduce their dependency on animal foods and consume more plant-derived fats, such as nuts, instead. There is also the rare individual who needs more concentrated sources of protein and fat in his diet because of digestive impairment, Crohn's disease, short gut syndromes, or other uncommon medical conditions. I have also encountered patients on rare occasions who become too thin and malnourished on what I would consider an ideal, nutrient-dense diet. On such occasions, more animal products have been needed to reduce fiber content, slow transit time in the gut, and aid absorption and concentration of amino acids at each meal. This problem usually is the result of some digestive impairment or difficulty with absorption. I have only seen a handful of such cases in the past ten years of practice. In other words, not even one in 100, in my estimation, requires animal products regularly in his diet. (My emphasis) These individuals should still follow my general recommendations for excellent health and can accommodate their individual needs by keeping animal-product consumption down to comparatively low levels. " I thought this would benefit and ease the fears of many in this group. Dr. Fuhrman has been recommending a mostly raw food and vegan diet to people for 15 years. So he has quite a bit of experience when it comes to these issues. He seems quite practical. He doesn't live by a philosophy only. He'll adjust his recommendations depending on the health and results his patients are getting. I believe if we were healthy a vegan diet raw food diet would be ideal. But not all of us have everything working properly inside of us anymore. However as Dr. Fuhrman points out those individuals are rare. Pete was probably one of those individuals. To Your Radiant Health and Happiness, Roger Haeske Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100% Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske, the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and http://www.superbeing.com. Go to http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn how to go 100% RAW. tev treowlufu [goraw808] Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:51 PM rawfood [Raw Food] For Pete's sake nickysparkler <nickysparkler wrote: Hi I remember Pete from another raw foods board as well. Apparantly he eats 100% raw fruits & vegetables and all he has added in to combat B-Vitamin Deficiencies is raw egg yolks and for that people were vicious towards him. TEV: Yep. Pete has been booted off of other forums (as: Paleo Pete; No Dogma Pete; etc.) I dispute that anyone was vicious. He seems to have gotten what he deserved, in my opinion. Each time I have seen his posts, he has attempted to insert his opinion over those of others. One of his assertions was that the human digestive tract resembled most closely that of a dog's. That is a false statement. He inserted his opinion as if his were right and the opinions of others were wrong. I think he became combative due to his treatment on other boards. TEV: I disagree. He produced the combativeness via his assertions and the way he asserted them. I do understand that because eggs are animal products they may not go over well on a raw VEGAN board. I just kind of wish Pete could start a group that was based on a 100% raw diet that included raw egg yolks & maybe raw goats milk. I think they (especially raw egg yolks) could be the missing ingredient that could help people stay 100% raw w/out deficiencies and cravings, drastic weight loss etc. TEV: This is what Pete " should " have done; ie, start his own group based on his assertion that animal foods are needed. IOW, he wasn't in the raw vegan forums to share an accord; instead he was simply throwing around his agenda and his idealogy. Why not set up a group Nicky, if you " wish " it to be so? thanks nicky The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Bummer...I'm good on B6, but way low on B12. Roger...does your fitday daily food report show that your B12 is ok ? I was under the impression that a healthy vegan raw body produced it's own B12. I was low on D as well, but I'm out in the sun a lot, so thats not a problem. For all other nutrients, I am WAY over the RDA ! Thanks for listing Fitdays site, I had never been there before....fun to play with. Rufus --- Roger Haeske <roger wrote: > Good point. > > Pete should start his own group and disseminate his > beliefs there > instead of creating controversy on these other > groups. It's free to do > on . Anyone can create a group. > > As far as B vitamins. On a vegan raw diet you get an > abundance of B > vitamins. Just go to www.fitday.com > <http://www.fitday.com/> and enter > what you eat on a daily basis. If you eat lots of > fruits and green > veggies you'll have an abundance of B vitamins > without eating eggs. > > The only thing you'll really be short on according > to the USRDA would be > B12, D and calcium. Bacteria in the body produces > B12, we don't > necessarily need to ingest it, we get D from daily > exposure to sunlight. > If you don't get enough sunlight then you may need > to supplement with > vitamin D. We don't need excessive amounts of > calcium if we eat a low > protein diet. > > The Chinese have about a 40% lower calcium intake > than in the US and yet > they virtually have no osteoporosis. If you eat lots > of green leafy > veggies you'll get plenty of calcium. > > Here's a quote from the Q and A section page 243 of > Eat to Live by Dr. > Joel Fuhrman. > > " Q: I feel best when I eat a high-protein diet, with > plenty of animal > products. Does that mean these recommendations, to > eat a plant-based > diet, are not for me? > > A: I have thousands of patients eating a vegetarian > or near vegetarian > diets, and over the past fifteen years have noted a > very small > percentage of the total who initially report that > they feel better with > significant animal products in their diet and worse > on a vegetarian > diet. Almost all these complaints resolve with time > on the new diet. I > believe the main reasons for this are as follows: > > A diet heavily burdened with animal products places > a toxic stress on > the detoxification systems of the body. As with > stopping caffeine, > cigarettes, and heroin, many observe withdrawal > symptoms for a short > period, usually including fatigue, weakness, > headaches, or loose stools. > In 95 percent of these cases, these symptoms resolve > within two weeks. > > It is more common that the temporary adjustment > period lasts less than a > week, in which you might feel fatigue, have > headaches or gas, or > experience other mild symptoms as your body > withdraws from your prior > toxic habits. Don't buy the fallacy that you " need > more protein. " The > menus in this book offer sufficient protein - and > protein deficiency > does not cause fatigue. (My emphasis) Even my vegan > menus supply about > 50 grams of protein per 1,000 calories, a whopping > amount. Stopping > dangerous but stimulating foods causes temporary > fatigue. > > Increased gas and loose stools are also occasionally > observed when > switching to a diet containing so much fiber and > different fibers that > the digestive tract has never encountered before. > Over many years, the > body has adjusted its secretions and peristaltic > waves > (digestive-related bowel contractions) to a > low-fiber diet. These > symptoms also improve with time. Chewing extra well, > sometimes even > blending salads, helps in this period of transition. > Some people must > avoid beans initially, and then use them only in > small amounts, adding > more to the diet gradually over a period of weeks to > train the digestive > tract to handle and digest these new fibers. > > Certain people have increased fat requirements, and > the type of > vegetarian diet they may have been on in the past > was not rich enough in > certain essential fats for them. This can occur in > those eating a > plant-based diet that includes lots of low-fat wheat > and grain products. > Frequently, adding ground flaxseed or flaxseed oil > to the diet to supply > additional omega-3 fats is helpful. Some, especially > thin individuals, > require more calories and more fat to sustain > weight. This is usually > " fixed " by including raw nuts, raw nut butters, > avocados, and other > healthy foods that are nutrient-rich and also high > in fat and calories. > Even these naturally thin individuals will > significantly improve their > health and lower their risk of degenerative diseases > if they reduce > their dependency on animal foods and consume more > plant-derived fats, > such as nuts, instead. > > There is also the rare individual who needs more > concentrated sources of > protein and fat in his diet because of digestive > impairment, Crohn's > disease, short gut syndromes, or other uncommon > medical conditions. I > have also encountered patients on rare occasions who > become too thin and > malnourished on what I would consider an ideal, > nutrient-dense diet. On > such occasions, more animal products have been > needed to reduce fiber > content, slow transit time in the gut, and aid > absorption and > concentration of amino acids at each meal. This > problem usually is the > result of some digestive impairment or difficulty > with absorption. I > have only seen a handful of such cases in the past > ten years of > practice. In other words, not even one in 100, in my > estimation, > requires animal products regularly in his diet. (My > emphasis) These > individuals should still follow my general > recommendations for excellent > health and can accommodate their individual needs > by keeping > animal-product consumption down to comparatively low > levels. " > > I thought this would benefit and ease the fears of > many in this group. > Dr. Fuhrman has been recommending a mostly raw food > and vegan diet to > people for 15 years. So he has quite a bit of > experience when it comes > to these issues. He seems quite practical. He > doesn't live by a > philosophy only. He'll adjust his recommendations > depending on the > health and results his patients are getting. > > I believe if we were healthy a vegan diet raw food > diet would be ideal. > But not all of us have everything working properly > inside of us anymore. > However as Dr. Fuhrman points out those individuals > are rare. Pete was > probably one of those individuals. > > To Your Radiant Health and Happiness, Roger Haeske > > Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to > stick with it? Now > you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets > to success on a 100% > Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food > Coach, Roger Haeske, > the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite > Tennis and > http://www.superbeing.com. Go to > http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn > how to go 100% RAW. > > > > tev treowlufu [goraw808] > Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:51 PM > rawfood > === message truncated === The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Rufus, According to fitday I haven't consumed any B12 or vitamin D. Most vegan foods won't have any B12. But as you mentioned bacteria produces B12 in the body and the body can absorb it. Some people have problems absorbing it properly and so they may need to supplement their B12. Even many meat eaters are low in B12. I think bananas are very high in B6. To Your Radiant Health and Happiness, Roger Haeske Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100% Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske, the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and http://www.superbeing.com. Go to http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn how to go 100% RAW. Rufus Shaw [rufus10_99] Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:36 PM rawfood RE: [Raw Food] For Pete's sake Bummer...I'm good on B6, but way low on B12. Roger...does your fitday daily food report show that your B12 is ok ? I was under the impression that a healthy vegan raw body produced it's own B12. I was low on D as well, but I'm out in the sun a lot, so thats not a problem. For all other nutrients, I am WAY over the RDA ! Thanks for listing Fitdays site, I had never been there before....fun to play with. Rufus --- Roger Haeske <roger wrote: > Good point. > > Pete should start his own group and disseminate his > beliefs there > instead of creating controversy on these other > groups. It's free to do > on . Anyone can create a group. > > As far as B vitamins. On a vegan raw diet you get an > abundance of B > vitamins. Just go to www.fitday.com > <http://www.fitday.com/> and enter > what you eat on a daily basis. If you eat lots of > fruits and green > veggies you'll have an abundance of B vitamins > without eating eggs. > > The only thing you'll really be short on according > to the USRDA would be > B12, D and calcium. Bacteria in the body produces > B12, we don't > necessarily need to ingest it, we get D from daily > exposure to sunlight. > If you don't get enough sunlight then you may need > to supplement with > vitamin D. We don't need excessive amounts of > calcium if we eat a low > protein diet. > > The Chinese have about a 40% lower calcium intake > than in the US and yet > they virtually have no osteoporosis. If you eat lots > of green leafy > veggies you'll get plenty of calcium. > > Here's a quote from the Q and A section page 243 of > Eat to Live by Dr. > Joel Fuhrman. > > " Q: I feel best when I eat a high-protein diet, with > plenty of animal > products. Does that mean these recommendations, to > eat a plant-based > diet, are not for me? > > A: I have thousands of patients eating a vegetarian > or near vegetarian > diets, and over the past fifteen years have noted a > very small > percentage of the total who initially report that > they feel better with > significant animal products in their diet and worse > on a vegetarian > diet. Almost all these complaints resolve with time > on the new diet. I > believe the main reasons for this are as follows: > > A diet heavily burdened with animal products places > a toxic stress on > the detoxification systems of the body. As with > stopping caffeine, > cigarettes, and heroin, many observe withdrawal > symptoms for a short > period, usually including fatigue, weakness, > headaches, or loose stools. > In 95 percent of these cases, these symptoms resolve > within two weeks. > > It is more common that the temporary adjustment > period lasts less than a > week, in which you might feel fatigue, have > headaches or gas, or > experience other mild symptoms as your body > withdraws from your prior > toxic habits. Don't buy the fallacy that you " need > more protein. " The > menus in this book offer sufficient protein - and > protein deficiency > does not cause fatigue. (My emphasis) Even my vegan > menus supply about > 50 grams of protein per 1,000 calories, a whopping > amount. Stopping > dangerous but stimulating foods causes temporary > fatigue. > > Increased gas and loose stools are also occasionally > observed when > switching to a diet containing so much fiber and > different fibers that > the digestive tract has never encountered before. > Over many years, the > body has adjusted its secretions and peristaltic > waves > (digestive-related bowel contractions) to a > low-fiber diet. These > symptoms also improve with time. Chewing extra well, > sometimes even > blending salads, helps in this period of transition. > Some people must > avoid beans initially, and then use them only in > small amounts, adding > more to the diet gradually over a period of weeks to > train the digestive > tract to handle and digest these new fibers. > > Certain people have increased fat requirements, and > the type of > vegetarian diet they may have been on in the past > was not rich enough in > certain essential fats for them. This can occur in > those eating a > plant-based diet that includes lots of low-fat wheat > and grain products. > Frequently, adding ground flaxseed or flaxseed oil > to the diet to supply > additional omega-3 fats is helpful. Some, especially > thin individuals, > require more calories and more fat to sustain > weight. This is usually > " fixed " by including raw nuts, raw nut butters, > avocados, and other > healthy foods that are nutrient-rich and also high > in fat and calories. > Even these naturally thin individuals will > significantly improve their > health and lower their risk of degenerative diseases > if they reduce > their dependency on animal foods and consume more > plant-derived fats, > such as nuts, instead. > > There is also the rare individual who needs more > concentrated sources of > protein and fat in his diet because of digestive > impairment, Crohn's > disease, short gut syndromes, or other uncommon > medical conditions. I > have also encountered patients on rare occasions who > become too thin and > malnourished on what I would consider an ideal, > nutrient-dense diet. On > such occasions, more animal products have been > needed to reduce fiber > content, slow transit time in the gut, and aid > absorption and > concentration of amino acids at each meal. This > problem usually is the > result of some digestive impairment or difficulty > with absorption. I > have only seen a handful of such cases in the past > ten years of > practice. In other words, not even one in 100, in my > estimation, > requires animal products regularly in his diet. (My > emphasis) These > individuals should still follow my general > recommendations for excellent > health and can accommodate their individual needs > by keeping > animal-product consumption down to comparatively low > levels. " > > I thought this would benefit and ease the fears of > many in this group. > Dr. Fuhrman has been recommending a mostly raw food > and vegan diet to > people for 15 years. So he has quite a bit of > experience when it comes > to these issues. He seems quite practical. He > doesn't live by a > philosophy only. He'll adjust his recommendations > depending on the > health and results his patients are getting. > > I believe if we were healthy a vegan diet raw food > diet would be ideal. > But not all of us have everything working properly > inside of us anymore. > However as Dr. Fuhrman points out those individuals > are rare. Pete was > probably one of those individuals. > > To Your Radiant Health and Happiness, Roger Haeske > > Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to > stick with it? Now > you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets > to success on a 100% > Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food > Coach, Roger Haeske, > the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite > Tennis and > http://www.superbeing.com. Go to > http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn > how to go 100% RAW. > > > > tev treowlufu [goraw808] > Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:51 PM > rawfood > === message truncated === The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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