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nickysparkler <nickysparkler wrote:

Hi I remember Pete from another raw foods board as well. Apparantly

he eats 100% raw fruits & vegetables and all he has added in to

combat B-Vitamin Deficiencies is raw egg yolks and for that people

were vicious towards him.

 

TEV: Yep. Pete has been booted off of other forums (as: Paleo Pete; No Dogma

Pete; etc.) I dispute that anyone was vicious. He seems to have gotten what he

deserved, in my opinion. Each time I have seen his posts, he has attempted to

insert his opinion over those of others. One of his assertions was that the

human digestive tract resembled most closely that of a dog's. That is a false

statement. He inserted his opinion as if his were right and the opinions of

others were wrong.

 

I think he became combative due to his treatment on other boards.

 

TEV: I disagree. He produced the combativeness via his assertions and the way he

asserted them.

 

I do understand that because eggs are animal products they may not go

over well on a raw VEGAN board. I just kind of wish Pete could

start a group that was based on a 100% raw diet that included raw

egg yolks & maybe raw goats milk. I think they (especially raw egg

yolks) could be the missing ingredient that could help people stay

100% raw w/out deficiencies and cravings, drastic weight loss etc.

 

TEV: This is what Pete " should " have done; ie, start his own group based on his

assertion that animal foods are needed. IOW, he wasn't in the raw vegan forums

to share an accord; instead he was simply throwing around his agenda and his

idealogy. Why not set up a group Nicky, if you " wish " it to be so?

 

 

 

thanks

nicky

 

 

 

 

 

 

The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual

into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of

all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each

is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1]

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Good point.

 

Pete should start his own group and disseminate his beliefs there

instead of creating controversy on these other groups. It's free to do

on . Anyone can create a group.

 

As far as B vitamins. On a vegan raw diet you get an abundance of B

vitamins. Just go to www.fitday.com <http://www.fitday.com/> and enter

what you eat on a daily basis. If you eat lots of fruits and green

veggies you'll have an abundance of B vitamins without eating eggs.

 

The only thing you'll really be short on according to the USRDA would be

B12, D and calcium. Bacteria in the body produces B12, we don't

necessarily need to ingest it, we get D from daily exposure to sunlight.

If you don't get enough sunlight then you may need to supplement with

vitamin D. We don't need excessive amounts of calcium if we eat a low

protein diet.

 

The Chinese have about a 40% lower calcium intake than in the US and yet

they virtually have no osteoporosis. If you eat lots of green leafy

veggies you'll get plenty of calcium.

 

Here's a quote from the Q and A section page 243 of Eat to Live by Dr.

Joel Fuhrman.

 

" Q: I feel best when I eat a high-protein diet, with plenty of animal

products. Does that mean these recommendations, to eat a plant-based

diet, are not for me?

 

A: I have thousands of patients eating a vegetarian or near vegetarian

diets, and over the past fifteen years have noted a very small

percentage of the total who initially report that they feel better with

significant animal products in their diet and worse on a vegetarian

diet. Almost all these complaints resolve with time on the new diet. I

believe the main reasons for this are as follows:

 

A diet heavily burdened with animal products places a toxic stress on

the detoxification systems of the body. As with stopping caffeine,

cigarettes, and heroin, many observe withdrawal symptoms for a short

period, usually including fatigue, weakness, headaches, or loose stools.

In 95 percent of these cases, these symptoms resolve within two weeks.

 

It is more common that the temporary adjustment period lasts less than a

week, in which you might feel fatigue, have headaches or gas, or

experience other mild symptoms as your body withdraws from your prior

toxic habits. Don't buy the fallacy that you " need more protein. " The

menus in this book offer sufficient protein - and protein deficiency

does not cause fatigue. (My emphasis) Even my vegan menus supply about

50 grams of protein per 1,000 calories, a whopping amount. Stopping

dangerous but stimulating foods causes temporary fatigue.

 

Increased gas and loose stools are also occasionally observed when

switching to a diet containing so much fiber and different fibers that

the digestive tract has never encountered before. Over many years, the

body has adjusted its secretions and peristaltic waves

(digestive-related bowel contractions) to a low-fiber diet. These

symptoms also improve with time. Chewing extra well, sometimes even

blending salads, helps in this period of transition. Some people must

avoid beans initially, and then use them only in small amounts, adding

more to the diet gradually over a period of weeks to train the digestive

tract to handle and digest these new fibers.

 

Certain people have increased fat requirements, and the type of

vegetarian diet they may have been on in the past was not rich enough in

certain essential fats for them. This can occur in those eating a

plant-based diet that includes lots of low-fat wheat and grain products.

Frequently, adding ground flaxseed or flaxseed oil to the diet to supply

additional omega-3 fats is helpful. Some, especially thin individuals,

require more calories and more fat to sustain weight. This is usually

" fixed " by including raw nuts, raw nut butters, avocados, and other

healthy foods that are nutrient-rich and also high in fat and calories.

Even these naturally thin individuals will significantly improve their

health and lower their risk of degenerative diseases if they reduce

their dependency on animal foods and consume more plant-derived fats,

such as nuts, instead.

 

There is also the rare individual who needs more concentrated sources of

protein and fat in his diet because of digestive impairment, Crohn's

disease, short gut syndromes, or other uncommon medical conditions. I

have also encountered patients on rare occasions who become too thin and

malnourished on what I would consider an ideal, nutrient-dense diet. On

such occasions, more animal products have been needed to reduce fiber

content, slow transit time in the gut, and aid absorption and

concentration of amino acids at each meal. This problem usually is the

result of some digestive impairment or difficulty with absorption. I

have only seen a handful of such cases in the past ten years of

practice. In other words, not even one in 100, in my estimation,

requires animal products regularly in his diet. (My emphasis) These

individuals should still follow my general recommendations for excellent

health and can accommodate their individual needs by keeping

animal-product consumption down to comparatively low levels. "

 

I thought this would benefit and ease the fears of many in this group.

Dr. Fuhrman has been recommending a mostly raw food and vegan diet to

people for 15 years. So he has quite a bit of experience when it comes

to these issues. He seems quite practical. He doesn't live by a

philosophy only. He'll adjust his recommendations depending on the

health and results his patients are getting.

 

I believe if we were healthy a vegan diet raw food diet would be ideal.

But not all of us have everything working properly inside of us anymore.

However as Dr. Fuhrman points out those individuals are rare. Pete was

probably one of those individuals.

 

To Your Radiant Health and Happiness, Roger Haeske

 

Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now

you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100%

Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske,

the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and

http://www.superbeing.com. Go to http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn

how to go 100% RAW.

 

 

 

tev treowlufu [goraw808]

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:51 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] For Pete's sake

 

 

 

nickysparkler <nickysparkler wrote:

Hi I remember Pete from another raw foods board as well. Apparantly

he eats 100% raw fruits & vegetables and all he has added in to

combat B-Vitamin Deficiencies is raw egg yolks and for that people

were vicious towards him.

 

TEV: Yep. Pete has been booted off of other forums (as: Paleo Pete; No

Dogma Pete; etc.) I dispute that anyone was vicious. He seems to have

gotten what he deserved, in my opinion. Each time I have seen his posts,

he has attempted to insert his opinion over those of others. One of his

assertions was that the human digestive tract resembled most closely

that of a dog's. That is a false statement. He inserted his opinion as

if his were right and the opinions of others were wrong.

 

I think he became combative due to his treatment on other boards.

 

TEV: I disagree. He produced the combativeness via his assertions and

the way he asserted them.

 

I do understand that because eggs are animal products they may not go

over well on a raw VEGAN board. I just kind of wish Pete could

start a group that was based on a 100% raw diet that included raw

egg yolks & maybe raw goats milk. I think they (especially raw egg

yolks) could be the missing ingredient that could help people stay

100% raw w/out deficiencies and cravings, drastic weight loss etc.

 

TEV: This is what Pete " should " have done; ie, start his own group based

on his assertion that animal foods are needed. IOW, he wasn't in the raw

vegan forums to share an accord; instead he was simply throwing around

his agenda and his idealogy. Why not set up a group Nicky, if you " wish "

it to be so?

 

 

 

thanks

nicky

 

 

 

 

 

 

The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre

individual into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to

the progress of all through fostering the progress of each individual,

and the progress of each is augmented through the achievement of all.

[The Urantia Book: 1094:1]

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Roger,

Thank you for that informative post. It is so helpful and, as you state,

reassuring when we constantly hear contratictory advice.

--Jenny Silliman

Sequim, WA

 

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Roger,

 

I'd like to offer this one on the back foot as it may be outside this

forum's area. A recent blood test I had showed high homocystine for

which the treatment was B6 and B12. Also for the lipid all readings

were good save Lipoprotein (A) for which reading was very high and the

medic wants to use slow Niacin. I think the latter is also called B3. I

do not know what it is.

 

Thus I am still hunting to get my diet straight.

 

That was a rub from Pete to me!

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

Roger Haeske [roger]

24 September 2003 21:38

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] For Pete's sake

 

 

 

Good point.

 

Pete should start his own group and disseminate his beliefs there

instead of creating controversy on these other groups. It's free to do

on . Anyone can create a group.

 

As far as B vitamins. On a vegan raw diet you get an abundance of B

vitamins. Just go to www.fitday.com <http://www.fitday.com/> and enter

what you eat on a daily basis. If you eat lots of fruits and green

veggies you'll have an abundance of B vitamins without eating eggs.

 

The only thing you'll really be short on according to the USRDA would be

B12, D and calcium. Bacteria in the body produces B12, we don't

necessarily need to ingest it, we get D from daily exposure to sunlight.

If you don't get enough sunlight then you may need to supplement with

vitamin D. We don't need excessive amounts of calcium if we eat a low

protein diet.

 

The Chinese have about a 40% lower calcium intake than in the US and yet

they virtually have no osteoporosis. If you eat lots of green leafy

veggies you'll get plenty of calcium.

 

Here's a quote from the Q and A section page 243 of Eat to Live by Dr.

Joel Fuhrman.

 

" Q: I feel best when I eat a high-protein diet, with plenty of animal

products. Does that mean these recommendations, to eat a plant-based

diet, are not for me?

 

A: I have thousands of patients eating a vegetarian or near vegetarian

diets, and over the past fifteen years have noted a very small

percentage of the total who initially report that they feel better with

significant animal products in their diet and worse on a vegetarian

diet. Almost all these complaints resolve with time on the new diet. I

believe the main reasons for this are as follows:

 

A diet heavily burdened with animal products places a toxic stress on

the detoxification systems of the body. As with stopping caffeine,

cigarettes, and heroin, many observe withdrawal symptoms for a short

period, usually including fatigue, weakness, headaches, or loose stools.

In 95 percent of these cases, these symptoms resolve within two weeks.

 

It is more common that the temporary adjustment period lasts less than a

week, in which you might feel fatigue, have headaches or gas, or

experience other mild symptoms as your body withdraws from your prior

toxic habits. Don't buy the fallacy that you " need more protein. " The

menus in this book offer sufficient protein - and protein deficiency

does not cause fatigue. (My emphasis) Even my vegan menus supply about

50 grams of protein per 1,000 calories, a whopping amount. Stopping

dangerous but stimulating foods causes temporary fatigue.

 

Increased gas and loose stools are also occasionally observed when

switching to a diet containing so much fiber and different fibers that

the digestive tract has never encountered before. Over many years, the

body has adjusted its secretions and peristaltic waves

(digestive-related bowel contractions) to a low-fiber diet. These

symptoms also improve with time. Chewing extra well, sometimes even

blending salads, helps in this period of transition. Some people must

avoid beans initially, and then use them only in small amounts, adding

more to the diet gradually over a period of weeks to train the digestive

tract to handle and digest these new fibers.

 

Certain people have increased fat requirements, and the type of

vegetarian diet they may have been on in the past was not rich enough in

certain essential fats for them. This can occur in those eating a

plant-based diet that includes lots of low-fat wheat and grain products.

Frequently, adding ground flaxseed or flaxseed oil to the diet to supply

additional omega-3 fats is helpful. Some, especially thin individuals,

require more calories and more fat to sustain weight. This is usually

" fixed " by including raw nuts, raw nut butters, avocados, and other

healthy foods that are nutrient-rich and also high in fat and calories.

Even these naturally thin individuals will significantly improve their

health and lower their risk of degenerative diseases if they reduce

their dependency on animal foods and consume more plant-derived fats,

such as nuts, instead.

 

There is also the rare individual who needs more concentrated sources of

protein and fat in his diet because of digestive impairment, Crohn's

disease, short gut syndromes, or other uncommon medical conditions. I

have also encountered patients on rare occasions who become too thin and

malnourished on what I would consider an ideal, nutrient-dense diet. On

such occasions, more animal products have been needed to reduce fiber

content, slow transit time in the gut, and aid absorption and

concentration of amino acids at each meal. This problem usually is the

result of some digestive impairment or difficulty with absorption. I

have only seen a handful of such cases in the past ten years of

practice. In other words, not even one in 100, in my estimation,

requires animal products regularly in his diet. (My emphasis) These

individuals should still follow my general recommendations for excellent

health and can accommodate their individual needs by keeping

animal-product consumption down to comparatively low levels. "

 

I thought this would benefit and ease the fears of many in this group.

Dr. Fuhrman has been recommending a mostly raw food and vegan diet to

people for 15 years. So he has quite a bit of experience when it comes

to these issues. He seems quite practical. He doesn't live by a

philosophy only. He'll adjust his recommendations depending on the

health and results his patients are getting.

 

I believe if we were healthy a vegan diet raw food diet would be ideal.

But not all of us have everything working properly inside of us anymore.

However as Dr. Fuhrman points out those individuals are rare. Pete was

probably one of those individuals.

 

To Your Radiant Health and Happiness, Roger Haeske

 

Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now

you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100%

Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske,

the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and

http://www.superbeing.com. Go to http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn

how to go 100% RAW.

 

 

 

tev treowlufu [goraw808]

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:51 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] For Pete's sake

 

 

 

nickysparkler <nickysparkler wrote:

Hi I remember Pete from another raw foods board as well. Apparantly

he eats 100% raw fruits & vegetables and all he has added in to

combat B-Vitamin Deficiencies is raw egg yolks and for that people

were vicious towards him.

 

TEV: Yep. Pete has been booted off of other forums (as: Paleo Pete; No

Dogma Pete; etc.) I dispute that anyone was vicious. He seems to have

gotten what he deserved, in my opinion. Each time I have seen his posts,

he has attempted to insert his opinion over those of others. One of his

assertions was that the human digestive tract resembled most closely

that of a dog's. That is a false statement. He inserted his opinion as

if his were right and the opinions of others were wrong.

 

I think he became combative due to his treatment on other boards.

 

TEV: I disagree. He produced the combativeness via his assertions and

the way he asserted them.

 

I do understand that because eggs are animal products they may not go

over well on a raw VEGAN board. I just kind of wish Pete could

start a group that was based on a 100% raw diet that included raw

egg yolks & maybe raw goats milk. I think they (especially raw egg

yolks) could be the missing ingredient that could help people stay

100% raw w/out deficiencies and cravings, drastic weight loss etc.

 

TEV: This is what Pete " should " have done; ie, start his own group based

on his assertion that animal foods are needed. IOW, he wasn't in the raw

vegan forums to share an accord; instead he was simply throwing around

his agenda and his idealogy. Why not set up a group Nicky, if you " wish "

it to be so?

 

 

 

thanks

nicky

 

 

 

 

 

 

The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre

individual into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to

the progress of all through fostering the progress of each individual,

and the progress of each is augmented through the achievement of all.

[The Urantia Book: 1094:1]

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Bummer...I'm good on B6, but way low on B12.

 

Roger...does your fitday daily food report show that

your B12 is ok ? I was under the impression that a

healthy vegan raw body produced it's own B12. I was

low on D as well, but I'm out in the sun a lot, so

thats not a problem.

 

For all other nutrients, I am WAY over the RDA !

 

Thanks for listing Fitdays site, I had never been

there before....fun to play with.

 

Rufus

 

 

 

--- Roger Haeske <roger wrote:

> Good point.

>

> Pete should start his own group and disseminate his

> beliefs there

> instead of creating controversy on these other

> groups. It's free to do

> on . Anyone can create a group.

>

> As far as B vitamins. On a vegan raw diet you get an

> abundance of B

> vitamins. Just go to www.fitday.com

> <http://www.fitday.com/> and enter

> what you eat on a daily basis. If you eat lots of

> fruits and green

> veggies you'll have an abundance of B vitamins

> without eating eggs.

>

> The only thing you'll really be short on according

> to the USRDA would be

> B12, D and calcium. Bacteria in the body produces

> B12, we don't

> necessarily need to ingest it, we get D from daily

> exposure to sunlight.

> If you don't get enough sunlight then you may need

> to supplement with

> vitamin D. We don't need excessive amounts of

> calcium if we eat a low

> protein diet.

>

> The Chinese have about a 40% lower calcium intake

> than in the US and yet

> they virtually have no osteoporosis. If you eat lots

> of green leafy

> veggies you'll get plenty of calcium.

>

> Here's a quote from the Q and A section page 243 of

> Eat to Live by Dr.

> Joel Fuhrman.

>

> " Q: I feel best when I eat a high-protein diet, with

> plenty of animal

> products. Does that mean these recommendations, to

> eat a plant-based

> diet, are not for me?

>

> A: I have thousands of patients eating a vegetarian

> or near vegetarian

> diets, and over the past fifteen years have noted a

> very small

> percentage of the total who initially report that

> they feel better with

> significant animal products in their diet and worse

> on a vegetarian

> diet. Almost all these complaints resolve with time

> on the new diet. I

> believe the main reasons for this are as follows:

>

> A diet heavily burdened with animal products places

> a toxic stress on

> the detoxification systems of the body. As with

> stopping caffeine,

> cigarettes, and heroin, many observe withdrawal

> symptoms for a short

> period, usually including fatigue, weakness,

> headaches, or loose stools.

> In 95 percent of these cases, these symptoms resolve

> within two weeks.

>

> It is more common that the temporary adjustment

> period lasts less than a

> week, in which you might feel fatigue, have

> headaches or gas, or

> experience other mild symptoms as your body

> withdraws from your prior

> toxic habits. Don't buy the fallacy that you " need

> more protein. " The

> menus in this book offer sufficient protein - and

> protein deficiency

> does not cause fatigue. (My emphasis) Even my vegan

> menus supply about

> 50 grams of protein per 1,000 calories, a whopping

> amount. Stopping

> dangerous but stimulating foods causes temporary

> fatigue.

>

> Increased gas and loose stools are also occasionally

> observed when

> switching to a diet containing so much fiber and

> different fibers that

> the digestive tract has never encountered before.

> Over many years, the

> body has adjusted its secretions and peristaltic

> waves

> (digestive-related bowel contractions) to a

> low-fiber diet. These

> symptoms also improve with time. Chewing extra well,

> sometimes even

> blending salads, helps in this period of transition.

> Some people must

> avoid beans initially, and then use them only in

> small amounts, adding

> more to the diet gradually over a period of weeks to

> train the digestive

> tract to handle and digest these new fibers.

>

> Certain people have increased fat requirements, and

> the type of

> vegetarian diet they may have been on in the past

> was not rich enough in

> certain essential fats for them. This can occur in

> those eating a

> plant-based diet that includes lots of low-fat wheat

> and grain products.

> Frequently, adding ground flaxseed or flaxseed oil

> to the diet to supply

> additional omega-3 fats is helpful. Some, especially

> thin individuals,

> require more calories and more fat to sustain

> weight. This is usually

> " fixed " by including raw nuts, raw nut butters,

> avocados, and other

> healthy foods that are nutrient-rich and also high

> in fat and calories.

> Even these naturally thin individuals will

> significantly improve their

> health and lower their risk of degenerative diseases

> if they reduce

> their dependency on animal foods and consume more

> plant-derived fats,

> such as nuts, instead.

>

> There is also the rare individual who needs more

> concentrated sources of

> protein and fat in his diet because of digestive

> impairment, Crohn's

> disease, short gut syndromes, or other uncommon

> medical conditions. I

> have also encountered patients on rare occasions who

> become too thin and

> malnourished on what I would consider an ideal,

> nutrient-dense diet. On

> such occasions, more animal products have been

> needed to reduce fiber

> content, slow transit time in the gut, and aid

> absorption and

> concentration of amino acids at each meal. This

> problem usually is the

> result of some digestive impairment or difficulty

> with absorption. I

> have only seen a handful of such cases in the past

> ten years of

> practice. In other words, not even one in 100, in my

> estimation,

> requires animal products regularly in his diet. (My

> emphasis) These

> individuals should still follow my general

> recommendations for excellent

> health and can accommodate their individual needs

> by keeping

> animal-product consumption down to comparatively low

> levels. "

>

> I thought this would benefit and ease the fears of

> many in this group.

> Dr. Fuhrman has been recommending a mostly raw food

> and vegan diet to

> people for 15 years. So he has quite a bit of

> experience when it comes

> to these issues. He seems quite practical. He

> doesn't live by a

> philosophy only. He'll adjust his recommendations

> depending on the

> health and results his patients are getting.

>

> I believe if we were healthy a vegan diet raw food

> diet would be ideal.

> But not all of us have everything working properly

> inside of us anymore.

> However as Dr. Fuhrman points out those individuals

> are rare. Pete was

> probably one of those individuals.

>

> To Your Radiant Health and Happiness, Roger Haeske

>

> Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to

> stick with it? Now

> you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets

> to success on a 100%

> Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food

> Coach, Roger Haeske,

> the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite

> Tennis and

> http://www.superbeing.com. Go to

> http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn

> how to go 100% RAW.

>

>

>

> tev treowlufu [goraw808]

> Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:51 PM

> rawfood

>

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Rufus,

 

According to fitday I haven't consumed any B12 or vitamin D. Most vegan

foods won't have any B12. But as you mentioned bacteria produces B12 in

the body and the body can absorb it. Some people have problems absorbing

it properly and so they may need to supplement their B12.

 

Even many meat eaters are low in B12. I think bananas are very high in

B6.

 

To Your Radiant Health and Happiness, Roger Haeske

 

Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now

you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100%

Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske,

the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and

http://www.superbeing.com. Go to http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn

how to go 100% RAW.

 

 

 

Rufus Shaw [rufus10_99]

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:36 PM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] For Pete's sake

 

Bummer...I'm good on B6, but way low on B12.

 

Roger...does your fitday daily food report show that

your B12 is ok ? I was under the impression that a

healthy vegan raw body produced it's own B12. I was

low on D as well, but I'm out in the sun a lot, so

thats not a problem.

 

For all other nutrients, I am WAY over the RDA !

 

Thanks for listing Fitdays site, I had never been

there before....fun to play with.

 

Rufus

 

 

 

--- Roger Haeske <roger wrote:

> Good point.

>

> Pete should start his own group and disseminate his

> beliefs there

> instead of creating controversy on these other

> groups. It's free to do

> on . Anyone can create a group.

>

> As far as B vitamins. On a vegan raw diet you get an

> abundance of B

> vitamins. Just go to www.fitday.com

> <http://www.fitday.com/> and enter

> what you eat on a daily basis. If you eat lots of

> fruits and green

> veggies you'll have an abundance of B vitamins

> without eating eggs.

>

> The only thing you'll really be short on according

> to the USRDA would be

> B12, D and calcium. Bacteria in the body produces

> B12, we don't

> necessarily need to ingest it, we get D from daily

> exposure to sunlight.

> If you don't get enough sunlight then you may need

> to supplement with

> vitamin D. We don't need excessive amounts of

> calcium if we eat a low

> protein diet.

>

> The Chinese have about a 40% lower calcium intake

> than in the US and yet

> they virtually have no osteoporosis. If you eat lots

> of green leafy

> veggies you'll get plenty of calcium.

>

> Here's a quote from the Q and A section page 243 of

> Eat to Live by Dr.

> Joel Fuhrman.

>

> " Q: I feel best when I eat a high-protein diet, with

> plenty of animal

> products. Does that mean these recommendations, to

> eat a plant-based

> diet, are not for me?

>

> A: I have thousands of patients eating a vegetarian

> or near vegetarian

> diets, and over the past fifteen years have noted a

> very small

> percentage of the total who initially report that

> they feel better with

> significant animal products in their diet and worse

> on a vegetarian

> diet. Almost all these complaints resolve with time

> on the new diet. I

> believe the main reasons for this are as follows:

>

> A diet heavily burdened with animal products places

> a toxic stress on

> the detoxification systems of the body. As with

> stopping caffeine,

> cigarettes, and heroin, many observe withdrawal

> symptoms for a short

> period, usually including fatigue, weakness,

> headaches, or loose stools.

> In 95 percent of these cases, these symptoms resolve

> within two weeks.

>

> It is more common that the temporary adjustment

> period lasts less than a

> week, in which you might feel fatigue, have

> headaches or gas, or

> experience other mild symptoms as your body

> withdraws from your prior

> toxic habits. Don't buy the fallacy that you " need

> more protein. " The

> menus in this book offer sufficient protein - and

> protein deficiency

> does not cause fatigue. (My emphasis) Even my vegan

> menus supply about

> 50 grams of protein per 1,000 calories, a whopping

> amount. Stopping

> dangerous but stimulating foods causes temporary

> fatigue.

>

> Increased gas and loose stools are also occasionally

> observed when

> switching to a diet containing so much fiber and

> different fibers that

> the digestive tract has never encountered before.

> Over many years, the

> body has adjusted its secretions and peristaltic

> waves

> (digestive-related bowel contractions) to a

> low-fiber diet. These

> symptoms also improve with time. Chewing extra well,

> sometimes even

> blending salads, helps in this period of transition.

> Some people must

> avoid beans initially, and then use them only in

> small amounts, adding

> more to the diet gradually over a period of weeks to

> train the digestive

> tract to handle and digest these new fibers.

>

> Certain people have increased fat requirements, and

> the type of

> vegetarian diet they may have been on in the past

> was not rich enough in

> certain essential fats for them. This can occur in

> those eating a

> plant-based diet that includes lots of low-fat wheat

> and grain products.

> Frequently, adding ground flaxseed or flaxseed oil

> to the diet to supply

> additional omega-3 fats is helpful. Some, especially

> thin individuals,

> require more calories and more fat to sustain

> weight. This is usually

> " fixed " by including raw nuts, raw nut butters,

> avocados, and other

> healthy foods that are nutrient-rich and also high

> in fat and calories.

> Even these naturally thin individuals will

> significantly improve their

> health and lower their risk of degenerative diseases

> if they reduce

> their dependency on animal foods and consume more

> plant-derived fats,

> such as nuts, instead.

>

> There is also the rare individual who needs more

> concentrated sources of

> protein and fat in his diet because of digestive

> impairment, Crohn's

> disease, short gut syndromes, or other uncommon

> medical conditions. I

> have also encountered patients on rare occasions who

> become too thin and

> malnourished on what I would consider an ideal,

> nutrient-dense diet. On

> such occasions, more animal products have been

> needed to reduce fiber

> content, slow transit time in the gut, and aid

> absorption and

> concentration of amino acids at each meal. This

> problem usually is the

> result of some digestive impairment or difficulty

> with absorption. I

> have only seen a handful of such cases in the past

> ten years of

> practice. In other words, not even one in 100, in my

> estimation,

> requires animal products regularly in his diet. (My

> emphasis) These

> individuals should still follow my general

> recommendations for excellent

> health and can accommodate their individual needs

> by keeping

> animal-product consumption down to comparatively low

> levels. "

>

> I thought this would benefit and ease the fears of

> many in this group.

> Dr. Fuhrman has been recommending a mostly raw food

> and vegan diet to

> people for 15 years. So he has quite a bit of

> experience when it comes

> to these issues. He seems quite practical. He

> doesn't live by a

> philosophy only. He'll adjust his recommendations

> depending on the

> health and results his patients are getting.

>

> I believe if we were healthy a vegan diet raw food

> diet would be ideal.

> But not all of us have everything working properly

> inside of us anymore.

> However as Dr. Fuhrman points out those individuals

> are rare. Pete was

> probably one of those individuals.

>

> To Your Radiant Health and Happiness, Roger Haeske

>

> Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to

> stick with it? Now

> you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets

> to success on a 100%

> Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food

> Coach, Roger Haeske,

> the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite

> Tennis and

> http://www.superbeing.com. Go to

> http://www.superbeingdiet.com to learn

> how to go 100% RAW.

>

>

>

> tev treowlufu [goraw808]

> Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:51 PM

> rawfood

>

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