Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 All, About a month or two ago I saw a lot of curious postings about Probiotics and the " Garden of Life " I rushed off and bought myself a dose and read the creators book - note the small c. Do any others feel anything that feels beyond a placebo effect from the Probiotics in the forum. I am mulling it all over as I have just started reading " Plague Time - The new germ theory of disease " by Paul W Ewald I must read on but would be fascinated to hear from others on these subjects in so much as they bear upon the raw diet. Peter andy.mich [andy.mich] 09 October 2003 15:07 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Re: Protein Question Thank you for this article Bruce, it was very interesting and a lot to think about. Do you know I have been a vegan for over ten years and never knew any of this stuff? Love Shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 I have definitely benefited from probiotics. In the beginning, when I was switching to raw, I had a lot of stomach problems. After supplementing on probiotics I was fine. I still take them some time, when I have stomach problems. They always help. Even conventional medicine recommends probiotics these days, some research says they will prevent allergies in small children. They are also beneficial for travellers to fight diarrhea. /Mimi rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: > > Do any others feel anything that feels beyond a placebo effect from the > Probiotics in the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Peter, I feel that probiotics helped me a lot. I came from the other end of the spectrum. My diet was awful, and I was a daily drinker. I used to get sick an awful lot, and abused antibiotics. I would take them 2-3 times per year. I started getting ear infections, that only Sipro would cure. It was getting scary, as I was becoming immune to just about all the antibiotics. At the same time, my stomach was falling apart. It hurt all the time, and I was becoming overwhelmed with fatigue. I did a lot of reading and started eating raw. My system had a hard time adjusting to a raw diet. Food would come out looking chewed, but not digested. My reading took me to probiotics, and then to " Primal Defense " . I took large doses of it, and was happy with the results. My digestion improved tremendously. my stomach stopped hurting, and I was completely relieved of fatigue. The change was profound. During this time, my stamina increased dramatically. Hope you get the same results. I just finished an Ejuva cleanse. I don't think I would recommend it. I was all jazzed up results like they show on their web site, and did not achieve them. Has anyone ever passed the mucoid plaque like they depict ? I'm wondering if probiotics help eat the plaque away, and if so, that why I didn't get good results with Ejuva. Rufus --- Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote: > > All, > > About a month or two ago I saw a lot of curious > postings about > Probiotics and the " Garden of Life " > I rushed off and bought myself a dose and read the > creators book - note > the small c. > > Do any others feel anything that feels beyond a > placebo effect from the > Probiotics in the forum. > > I am mulling it all over as I have just started > reading " Plague Time - > The new germ theory of disease " by Paul W Ewald > > I must read on but would be fascinated to hear from > others on these > subjects in so much as they bear upon the raw diet. > > Peter > > > andy.mich [andy.mich] > 09 October 2003 15:07 > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] Re: Protein Question > > > > Thank you for this article Bruce, it was very > interesting and a lot to > think about. Do you know I have been a vegan for > over ten years and > never knew any of this stuff? Love Shell. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 by the way, i'm not longer on the antibiotics. Interesting to note the I retraced through a lot of my ilnesses during the first 3 months of eating raw. Rufus --- Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote: > > All, > > About a month or two ago I saw a lot of curious > postings about > Probiotics and the " Garden of Life " > I rushed off and bought myself a dose and read the > creators book - note > the small c. > > Do any others feel anything that feels beyond a > placebo effect from the > Probiotics in the forum. > > I am mulling it all over as I have just started > reading " Plague Time - > The new germ theory of disease " by Paul W Ewald > > I must read on but would be fascinated to hear from > others on these > subjects in so much as they bear upon the raw diet. > > Peter > > > andy.mich [andy.mich] > 09 October 2003 15:07 > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] Re: Protein Question > > > > Thank you for this article Bruce, it was very > interesting and a lot to > think about. Do you know I have been a vegan for > over ten years and > never knew any of this stuff? Love Shell. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Peter, I also read the garden of life book and tried PRIMAL DEFENSE. Took three a day for a few months. At first I felt nothing, but after a about six weeks I began feeling terrible. Had lower abdominal pain, hypoglycemic spells, no energy, felt like I had the flu. I stopped because I might have an auto-immune disease and thought it might be a Lupus flaire or something and a few days after stopping I felt alot better. Wonder if it was die-off/detox symptoms?? I may try again with one a day and see what happens. But maybe switching to a 80-90% raw diet would be more helpful for me. the only concern I have is if I still have the bacterial overgrowth after my antibiotic 10 day trial. If there are still bad bacteria in my small bowel, the fruit feeds them. No sugar is the only way to starve them. How did other people respond to primal defense? The book is very convincing. Alot of Naturopaths like his products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 phiislife, I seem to have lost or given away the Garden of Life book. It was entitled " Patient Heal Thyself " as I recall and it seems as thought that is the proposition you are facing. So far no medic seems to have come up with an accurate diagnosis. That is rare with the medical profession. Usually they can tell you what is wrong; it is the remedy that eludes them. It is obvious that there is something living in you which is causing the trouble and it needs to be outwitted. Something at some time got in and started brewing... You are in an area which interests me as building up the immune system is my new pre-occupation. For that reason I am thinking of trying different Probiotic solutions in the hope of getting more strains of so-called " good " bacteria. Clearly in your case you either had an overdose or Probiotics are not for you. However I am confident that a raw diet will sort your digestion with time. If you give your body food which it knows how to digest as nature intended it will do a whole lot better than being confused and overloaded with the biochemical concoction that is present in a " normal " diet. I wish I could offer more specific advice but your case seems unusually complex to me and the kind of generalizations that have been useful to me have frequently caused havoc for you. Good luck, Peter phiislife [phiislife] 11 October 2003 01:24 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: probiotics Peter, I also read the garden of life book and tried PRIMAL DEFENSE. Took three a day for a few months. At first I felt nothing, but after a about six weeks I began feeling terrible. Had lower abdominal pain, hypoglycemic spells, no energy, felt like I had the flu. I stopped because I might have an auto-immune disease and thought it might be a Lupus flaire or something and a few days after stopping I felt alot better. Wonder if it was die-off/detox symptoms?? I may try again with one a day and see what happens. But maybe switching to a 80-90% raw diet would be more helpful for me. the only concern I have is if I still have the bacterial overgrowth after my antibiotic 10 day trial. If there are still bad bacteria in my small bowel, the fruit feeds them. No sugar is the only way to starve them. How did other people respond to primal defense? The book is very convincing. Alot of Naturopaths like his products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Hi Rufus, actually, no such thing as the mucoid plaque exists. That is a medical fact. Confirmed by eg. dr. Doug Graham, who says he has seen several colons of both living and dead, and never seen anything that would qualify as mucoid plaque. What people are passing as mucoid plaque when doing this kind of cleanses, is the psyllium or clay they are taking in to " help the cleanse " . Personally I would stay away from such things. If you want to clean your body, use raw vegan foods, herbs and fast. Good luck /Mimi rawfood , Rufus Shaw <rufus10_99> wrote: > I just finished an Ejuva cleanse. I don't think I > would recommend it. I was all jazzed up results like > they show on their web site, and did not achieve > them. Has anyone ever passed the mucoid plaque like > they depict ? I'm wondering if probiotics help eat > the plaque away, and if so, that why I didn't get good > results with Ejuva. > > Rufus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Thanks Mimi, I definitely can not recommend spending $300 on Ejuva. --- raw_peas <no_reply > wrote: > Hi Rufus, > > actually, no such thing as the mucoid plaque exists. > That is a > medical fact. Confirmed by eg. dr. Doug Graham, who > says he has seen > several colons of both living and dead, and never > seen anything that > would qualify as mucoid plaque. > > What people are passing as mucoid plaque when doing > this kind of > cleanses, is the psyllium or clay they are taking in > to " help the > cleanse " . > > Personally I would stay away from such things. If > you want to clean > your body, use raw vegan foods, herbs and fast. > > Good luck > > /Mimi > > rawfood , Rufus Shaw > <rufus10_99> wrote: > > I just finished an Ejuva cleanse. I don't think > I > > would recommend it. I was all jazzed up results > like > > they show on their web site, and did not achieve > > them. Has anyone ever passed the mucoid plaque > like > > they depict ? I'm wondering if probiotics help > eat > > the plaque away, and if so, that why I didn't get > good > > results with Ejuva. > > > > Rufus > > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 I disagree that there is no such thing as mucoid plaque. I did a cleanse with fasting and lost a four foot rope of black tar that could not be cut with scissors. It was not phylum. I lost all my allergies and that was the first giant step I took to radical health and one of the best things I did in my life. I think it is funny that the people that do not believe in it never mentioned that they tried one faithfully either. Everyone I ask says no they never tried it. I did and it changed my life. Benradette - Rufus Shaw rawfood Monday, October 13, 2003 12:27 PM Re: [Raw Food] Probiotics Thanks Mimi, I definitely can not recommend spending $300 on Ejuva. --- raw_peas <no_reply > wrote: > Hi Rufus, > > actually, no such thing as the mucoid plaque exists. > That is a > medical fact. Confirmed by eg. dr. Doug Graham, who > says he has seen > several colons of both living and dead, and never > seen anything that > would qualify as mucoid plaque. > > What people are passing as mucoid plaque when doing > this kind of > cleanses, is the psyllium or clay they are taking in > to " help the > cleanse " . > > Personally I would stay away from such things. If > you want to clean > your body, use raw vegan foods, herbs and fast. > > Good luck > > /Mimi > > rawfood , Rufus Shaw > <rufus10_99> wrote: > > I just finished an Ejuva cleanse. I don't think > I > > would recommend it. I was all jazzed up results > like > > they show on their web site, and did not achieve > > them. Has anyone ever passed the mucoid plaque > like > > they depict ? I'm wondering if probiotics help > eat > > the plaque away, and if so, that why I didn't get > good > > results with Ejuva. > > > > Rufus > > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Bernadette wrote: <<I disagree that there is no such thing as mucoid plaque. I did a cleanse with fasting and lost a four foot rope of black tar that could not be cut with scissors. It was not phylum. I lost all my allergies and that was the first giant step I took to radical health and one of the best things I did in my life. I think it is funny that the people that do not believe in it never mentioned that they tried one faithfully either. Everyone I ask says no they never tried it. I did and it changed my life.>> Bernadette, would you be willing to tell me a bit more about your fast? Specifically, I'm wondering what type of fast you did and how long it lasted. Also, I'm curious about your diet prior to and after the fast. Thanks, Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 ok Julie, It was 1996, I had been un-diagnosed with Chronic Lyme Disease. I had started my study on nutrition a few years prior. So my diet was freshly baked breads from whole grains that I grind myself and beans, with salads and other vegetables. I used very little meat and only homemade desert (I have four children). I went on the Arise & Shine Colon cleanse. I started by taking the herbs and phylum shakes with a strict diet ( which was basically the same as what I ate) for three weeks. On the fourth week entered a water fast and did colema's. It was the third day that I passed the rope. I never suffered another migraine or sinus headache from that day on. Though I still had Lyme and I find raw the best and only way for me. Colon cleansing was instrumental in my change of health. Prior to colon cleansing I had done several fast with little to no results.Today I consider myself a " master faster " able to fast 45 days and fast every month at least 6 days. The mucoid plague was unquestionably years of stuck stuff and my health changed in the sense that the nutrients from the food I ate was readily asorable. I no longer had to take vitamins. Vitamins were nessacary prior to that time because I was not getting the nutrients from my food. Well there it is in a nut shell Bernadette - Julie rawfood Monday, October 13, 2003 1:24 PM Re: [Raw Food] Probiotics Bernadette wrote: <<I disagree that there is no such thing as mucoid plaque. I did a cleanse with fasting and lost a four foot rope of black tar that could not be cut with scissors. It was not phylum. I lost all my allergies and that was the first giant step I took to radical health and one of the best things I did in my life. I think it is funny that the people that do not believe in it never mentioned that they tried one faithfully either. Everyone I ask says no they never tried it. I did and it changed my life.>> Bernadette, would you be willing to tell me a bit more about your fast? Specifically, I'm wondering what type of fast you did and how long it lasted. Also, I'm curious about your diet prior to and after the fast. Thanks, Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Thanks a lot, Bernadette! Julie - abrs rawfood Monday, October 13, 2003 2:08 PM Re: [Raw Food] Probiotics ok Julie, It was 1996, I had been un-diagnosed with Chronic Lyme Disease. I had started my study on nutrition a few years prior. So my diet was freshly baked breads from whole grains that I grind myself and beans, with salads and other vegetables. I used very little meat and only homemade desert (I have four children). I went on the Arise & Shine Colon cleanse. I started by taking the herbs and phylum shakes with a strict diet ( which was basically the same as what I ate) for three weeks. On the fourth week entered a water fast and did colema's. It was the third day that I passed the rope. I never suffered another migraine or sinus headache from that day on. Though I still had Lyme and I find raw the best and only way for me. Colon cleansing was instrumental in my change of health. Prior to colon cleansing I had done several fast with little to no results.Today I consider myself a " master faster " able to fast 45 days and fast every month at least 6 days. The mucoid plague was unques tionably years of stuck stuff and my health changed in the sense that the nutrients from the food I ate was readily asorable. I no longer had to take vitamins. Vitamins were nessacary prior to that time because I was not getting the nutrients from my food. Well there it is in a nut shell Bernadette - Julie rawfood Monday, October 13, 2003 1:24 PM Re: [Raw Food] Probiotics Bernadette wrote: <<I disagree that there is no such thing as mucoid plaque. I did a cleanse with fasting and lost a four foot rope of black tar that could not be cut with scissors. It was not phylum. I lost all my allergies and that was the first giant step I took to radical health and one of the best things I did in my life. I think it is funny that the people that do not believe in it never mentioned that they tried one faithfully either. Everyone I ask says no they never tried it. I did and it changed my life.>> Bernadette, would you be willing to tell me a bit more about your fast? Specifically, I'm wondering what type of fast you did and how long it lasted. Also, I'm curious about your diet prior to and after the fast. Thanks, Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 I,too am interested in the fast that Bernadette did Jane Edenfield boxers1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Bernadette wrote: " I went on the Arise & Shine Colon cleanse. I started by taking the herbs and phylum shakes for three weeks. On the fourth week entered a water fast and did colema's. It was the third day that I passed the rope. " I would bet my bottom that what you were passing was the psyllium (or the bentonite) that you were taking for three weeks! I still believe Doug Graham and several doctors on this one, when they say NO mucoid plaque exists. /Mimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Mimi, You cut and paste ONLY PART OF MY POST! Read the rest and stop doing your own agenda editing. I am not an idiot here that was in 1996. I have cured a daughter of Mental Illness and the other of blindness, AND STILL CURING MYSELF FROM A SEVER CHRONIC ILLNESS. Let me ask you have YOU TRIED a good colon cleanse? I doubt it. If you did it may change your life it did mine. Bernadette - raw_peas rawfood Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:44 AM Re: [Raw Food] Probiotics Bernadette wrote: " I went on the Arise & Shine Colon cleanse. I started by taking the herbs and phylum shakes for three weeks. On the fourth week entered a water fast and did colema's. It was the third day that I passed the rope. " I would bet my bottom that what you were passing was the psyllium (or the bentonite) that you were taking for three weeks! I still believe Doug Graham and several doctors on this one, when they say NO mucoid plaque exists. /Mimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Bernadette, I don't see how me trimming the post changed the message, but ok, here it is again. You wrote: I went on the Arise & Shine Colon cleanse. I started by taking the herbs and phylum shakes with a strict diet ( which was basically the same as what I ate) for three weeks. On the fourth week entered a water fast and did colema's. It was the third day that I passed the rope. I'm just saying, couldn't it have been the clay you were passing, not " mucoid plaque " ? Great that you healed yourself and that the fast changed your life, but I don't think several colon surgeons (who have actually seen the insides of a gut) are wrong when they are stating that there is no such thing as " mucoid plaque " . I for one will never try a " good colon cleanse " , thanks very much! /Mimi rawfood , " abrs " <abrs@l...> wrote: > Mimi, You cut and paste ONLY PART OF MY POST! Read the rest and stop doing your own agenda editing. I am not an idiot here that was in 1996. I have cured a daughter of Mental Illness and the other of blindness, AND STILL CURING MYSELF FROM A SEVER CHRONIC ILLNESS. Let me ask you have YOU TRIED a good colon cleanse? I doubt it. If you did it may change your life it did mine. > > Bernadette > - > raw_peas > rawfood > Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:44 AM > Re: [Raw Food] Probiotics > > > Bernadette wrote: > " I went on the Arise & Shine Colon cleanse. I started by taking the > herbs and phylum shakes for three weeks. On the fourth week entered a > water fast and did colema's. It was the third day that I passed the > rope. " > > I would bet my bottom that what you were passing was the psyllium (or > the bentonite) that you were taking for three weeks! > > I still believe Doug Graham and several doctors on this one, when > they say NO mucoid plaque exists. > > /Mimi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 You left the part out that the rope could not be cut with sissors. If it were clay or pslyium it would be able to be cut. I was so shocked I myself wanted to see what this was. So I washed it and attempted to disect it. I was trembling and shocked that this was in my body and just threw it away after it would not budge. It was also in the shape of my instentines, not like a normal movement. It would not fit through a normal colonics tube, it was done at home. Bernadette - raw_peas rawfood Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:48 AM Re: [Raw Food] Probiotics Bernadette, I don't see how me trimming the post changed the message, but ok, here it is again. You wrote: I went on the Arise & Shine Colon cleanse. I started by taking the herbs and phylum shakes with a strict diet ( which was basically the same as what I ate) for three weeks. On the fourth week entered a water fast and did colema's. It was the third day that I passed the rope. I'm just saying, couldn't it have been the clay you were passing, not " mucoid plaque " ? Great that you healed yourself and that the fast changed your life, but I don't think several colon surgeons (who have actually seen the insides of a gut) are wrong when they are stating that there is no such thing as " mucoid plaque " . I for one will never try a " good colon cleanse " , thanks very much! /Mimi rawfood , " abrs " <abrs@l...> wrote: > Mimi, You cut and paste ONLY PART OF MY POST! Read the rest and stop doing your own agenda editing. I am not an idiot here that was in 1996. I have cured a daughter of Mental Illness and the other of blindness, AND STILL CURING MYSELF FROM A SEVER CHRONIC ILLNESS. Let me ask you have YOU TRIED a good colon cleanse? I doubt it. If you did it may change your life it did mine. > > Bernadette > - > raw_peas > rawfood > Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:44 AM > Re: [Raw Food] Probiotics > > > Bernadette wrote: > " I went on the Arise & Shine Colon cleanse. I started by taking the > herbs and phylum shakes for three weeks. On the fourth week entered a > water fast and did colema's. It was the third day that I passed the > rope. " > > I would bet my bottom that what you were passing was the psyllium (or > the bentonite) that you were taking for three weeks! > > I still believe Doug Graham and several doctors on this one, when > they say NO mucoid plaque exists. > > /Mimi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Hi Elisa, I give my daughter who is 8 months old a probiotic. Its called NATOGEN and it is by Genestra. My nutritionist recommended it and it seems to meet what you are looking for. There is another one by the same brand that is for older children. Hope this helps. Sherry , " ejsrejsr " <elisaelisa wrote: > > So, I have decided we should go on probiotics. Hopefully it will help my 16mo olds eczema! So I need one for her and for me and this is what I am looking for: > > vegan (a must) > no soy (a must) > organic (if not, no chemicals or pesticides) > no gluten (would be nice) > > any ideas? I have not been able to find one like this. > > Thanks a lot, Elisa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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