Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 No medical background here, but I recall hearing on several occasions that the average American is carrying around 20-25 lbs of compacted fecal matter. Is that the same as mucoid plaque? I've heard it said that John Wayne, when autopsied, had 40 lbs. All just made up stories? I personally question it, when I know of relatives who have gone for weeks without bowel movements...where does all that crap go to? It has to be stored somewhere's. And there are an awful lot of people who seem to have barrel bellies full of something, when the rest of there body isn't particularily 'fat'. Karen - abrs rawfood Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:15 AM Re: [Raw Food] Probiotics Mimi, You cut and paste ONLY PART OF MY POST! Read the rest and stop doing your own agenda editing. I am not an idiot here that was in 1996. I have cured a daughter of Mental Illness and the other of blindness, AND STILL CURING MYSELF FROM A SEVER CHRONIC ILLNESS. Let me ask you have YOU TRIED a good colon cleanse? I doubt it. If you did it may change your life it did mine. Bernadette - raw_peas rawfood Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:44 AM Re: [Raw Food] Probiotics Bernadette wrote: " I went on the Arise & Shine Colon cleanse. I started by taking the herbs and phylum shakes for three weeks. On the fourth week entered a water fast and did colema's. It was the third day that I passed the rope. " I would bet my bottom that what you were passing was the psyllium (or the bentonite) that you were taking for three weeks! I still believe Doug Graham and several doctors on this one, when they say NO mucoid plaque exists. /Mimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Are you saying that a raw diet will eventually clean this up or does one need more drastic measures such as a bowels cleaning? Confused, Jesse - " Karen Johnson " <apleasingaroma <rawfood > Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:30 AM Re: [Raw Food] mucoidal plaque > No medical background here, but I recall hearing on several occasions that the average American is carrying around 20-25 lbs of compacted fecal matter. Is that the same as mucoid plaque? I've heard it said that John Wayne, when autopsied, had 40 lbs. All just made up stories? I personally question it, when I know of relatives who have gone for weeks without bowel movements...where does all that crap go to? It has to be stored somewhere's. And there are an awful lot of people who seem to have barrel bellies full of something, when the rest of there body isn't particularily 'fat'. > > Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 I am not presenting a solution. I am saying that I don't buy that there is no such thing as mucoid plaque. I am fairly new to raw diet (will be 2 months on the 14th Oct). Maybe raw will clean one out slowly in the long run. Sounds probable. Maybe a colon cleanse or the like would be helpful in getting things done quicker. I don't profess to know the answer. What I do know is.......all the experts seem to have differing view points and stats/scientific info. Who is truly right? Hmmmm, Karen - studio53 rawfood Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:44 AM Re: [Raw Food] mucoidal plaque Are you saying that a raw diet will eventually clean this up or does one need more drastic measures such as a bowels cleaning? Confused, Jesse - " Karen Johnson " <apleasingaroma <rawfood > Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:30 AM Re: [Raw Food] mucoidal plaque > No medical background here, but I recall hearing on several occasions that the average American is carrying around 20-25 lbs of compacted fecal matter. Is that the same as mucoid plaque? I've heard it said that John Wayne, when autopsied, had 40 lbs. All just made up stories? I personally question it, when I know of relatives who have gone for weeks without bowel movements...where does all that crap go to? It has to be stored somewhere's. And there are an awful lot of people who seem to have barrel bellies full of something, when the rest of there body isn't particularily 'fat'. > > Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 On Mucoid Plaque Vs raw food cleansing. There is a lot of skeptics here on the plaque. I been on Raw for a long time and prior to raw I lost a HUGE amount of Plaque. I believe the misunderstanding comes from all the FALSE products that PROMISE you will lose plaque but do nothing more then give you a big poop. Arise & Shine is a good product used in conjunction with a raw diet and you will be a much cleaner person more rapidly. However I caution you, it is not easy to do. If you ate a diet of white flour prior to this you ate glue, right, I am sure most of you agree. There are herbs that help get this glue out and there are copies that want your money. So a lot of what is said that you lose the psyluim is true with a lot of products. But not all. Now I have just gotten off IV therapy for four months and then I went to the Optimum Heath Institute for three months this summer. I ate nothing but sprouts and veggies and watermelon for three months and I did wheatgrass Colonics everyday. I lost nothing in compare to that rope, but again it is a hard program to follow and I am not apt to do it again. But I hope you will. You will be better for it. Benrnadettel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Yeah, colon cleaning, that the was idea I was shooting for... I see a LOT of positive info about it. I don't see how one could go wrong by just trying it. Jesse - " Karen Johnson " <apleasingaroma <rawfood > Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:06 AM Re: [Raw Food] mucoidal plaque > I am not presenting a solution. I am saying that I don't buy that there is no such thing as mucoid plaque. I am fairly new to raw diet (will be 2 months on the 14th Oct). Maybe raw will clean one out slowly in the long run. Sounds probable. Maybe a colon cleanse or the like would be helpful in getting things done quicker. I don't profess to know the answer. What I do know is.......all the experts seem to have differing view points and stats/scientific info. Who is truly right? > > Hmmmm, > Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Karen, Purists believe that a simple raw food diet is the best. For Example, I have read that from Dr. Douglas Graham but I think there is a place for a wash when you are on a water fast of over a week. I found it removed material that would otherwise have been recycling and causing the detoxification symptoms such as headache, mild depression, etc. Put another way, I got a lift from it in that context. Peter Karen Johnson [apleasingaroma] 14 October 2003 17:07 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] mucoidal plaque I am not presenting a solution. I am saying that I don't buy that there is no such thing as mucoid plaque. I am fairly new to raw diet (will be 2 months on the 14th Oct). Maybe raw will clean one out slowly in the long run. Sounds probable. Maybe a colon cleanse or the like would be helpful in getting things done quicker. I don't profess to know the answer. What I do know is.......all the experts seem to have differing view points and stats/scientific info. Who is truly right? Hmmmm, Karen - studio53 rawfood Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:44 AM Re: [Raw Food] mucoidal plaque Are you saying that a raw diet will eventually clean this up or does one need more drastic measures such as a bowels cleaning? Confused, Jesse - " Karen Johnson " <apleasingaroma <rawfood > Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:30 AM Re: [Raw Food] mucoidal plaque > No medical background here, but I recall hearing on several occasions that the average American is carrying around 20-25 lbs of compacted fecal matter. Is that the same as mucoid plaque? I've heard it said that John Wayne, when autopsied, had 40 lbs. All just made up stories? I personally question it, when I know of relatives who have gone for weeks without bowel movements...where does all that crap go to? It has to be stored somewhere's. And there are an awful lot of people who seem to have barrel bellies full of something, when the rest of there body isn't particularily 'fat'. > > Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 You could go wrong because it can do damage to your colon. It kills beneficial bacteria and it changes the pH of your colon. There are people who become dependent on colonics just to be able to have a bowel movement. I believe if you take the right approach most toxic people will never need to take a colonic. Some people have experimented by taking drugs and on the first experiment they died. The body is infinitely intelligent and it has its ways to detoxify. The more we interfere with the incredibly infinite and complex body processes the more damage we tend to do. Do whatever you wish, but at least you know of other possible outcomes and dangers. I'm in the process of getting an excellent article about the dangers of colonic irrigation from fasting expert Loren Lockman. When I get it I'll pass it onto the group. This may help influence people in a new direction. To Your Radiant Health, Roger Haeske Are you plagued by these problems with your raw food diet? 1. You fear that you aren't getting enough nutrients like protein, calcium, and B12. 2. You have been eating raw but aren't getting the results you expected. 3. You fear eating fruit because of its sugar content and hybridization. I'll resolve these problems, myths and misconceptions for you with a free & no obligation 20-minute telephone or email consultation. Email me or visit www.SuperbeingDiet.com studio53 [studio53] Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:34 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] mucoidal plaque Yeah, colon cleaning, that the was idea I was shooting for... I see a LOT of positive info about it. I don't see how one could go wrong by just trying it. Jesse - " Karen Johnson " <apleasingaroma <rawfood > Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:06 AM Re: [Raw Food] mucoidal plaque > I am not presenting a solution. I am saying that I don't buy that there is no such thing as mucoid plaque. I am fairly new to raw diet (will be 2 months on the 14th Oct). Maybe raw will clean one out slowly in the long run. Sounds probable. Maybe a colon cleanse or the like would be helpful in getting things done quicker. I don't profess to know the answer. What I do know is.......all the experts seem to have differing view points and stats/scientific info. Who is truly right? > > Hmmmm, > Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Protocol for removing mucoidal plaque from the GIT.: 3 Ingedients, but don't take them together: Bentonite clay; psyllium husk; oat bran. First thing in the morning, drink 2 tablespoonsfull of bentonite clay in a full glass of water and chase down with another glass of water. Ten minutes later shake up one teaspoonfull of psyillum husk in one glass of water and down it. The clay will draw the plaque from the intestine walls and the psylium husk is a soluble fiber that also draws impacted stuff from the intestine wall. But this will become an immobile blob unless it is pushed through with some insoluble fiber so the third serving is 1 TABLEspoonfull of Oat bran in a glass of water about ten minutes later. Now you can have breakfast. Repeat daily for a week or until the bottle of bentonite clay is done. Then you may go on a maintainence regime of 1 teaspoon of psyllium husk and one teaspoon of oat bran, on a daily basis. In bulk, the psyllium and oat bran is really cheap. But for removing the plaque you need the bentonite clay. Most health food stores carry it but some have it only in a cleansing kit form. The kit is more expesnsive and if you can buy the ingredients alone it's cheaper. rusty - " abrs " <abrs <rawfood > Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:10 AM Re: [Raw Food] mucoidal plaque > On Mucoid Plaque Vs raw food cleansing. There is a lot of skeptics here on the plaque. I been on Raw for a long time and prior to raw I lost a HUGE amount of Plaque. I believe the misunderstanding comes from all the FALSE products that PROMISE you will lose plaque but do nothing more then give you a big poop. Arise & Shine is a good product used in conjunction with a raw diet and you will be a much cleaner person more rapidly. However I caution you, it is not easy to do. If you ate a diet of white flour prior to this you ate glue, right, I am sure most of you agree. There are herbs that help get this glue out and there are copies that want your money. So a lot of what is said that you lose the psyluim is true with a lot of products. But not all. Now I have just gotten off IV therapy for four months and then I went to the Optimum Heath Institute for three months this summer. I ate nothing but sprouts and veggies and watermelon for three months and I did wheatgrass Colonics everyday. I lost nothing in compare to that rope, but again it is a hard program to follow and I am not apt to do it again. But I hope you will. You will be better for it. > > Benrnadettel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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