Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 <<<<Do whatever you wish, but at least you know of other possible outcomes and dangers. I'm in the process of getting an excellent article about the dangers of colonic irrigation from fasting expert Loren Lockman.>>>> Roger, Here's an article from Dr. Bernarr, that might be of interest. Vegigran By Dr. Bernarr, D.C., D.D. Colonics, enemas, laxatives, cleanses, purgatives, cathartics, drastics, mineral oil, rectal dilators, anal suppositories and other similar treatments to force bowel movements, are all dangerous and harmful to one's body. Never take them. They impair the entire metabolic processes of one's body. All forcing measures are enervating. Many cases of ulceration, hemorrhoids, colitis, flatulence, peritonitis and other digestive disorders, have had their origin from these forced bowel movement procedures. These forced bowel movement procedures are greatly enervating. They cause such a great loss of vital energy. One's body becomes so weakened as a result of such, that they prevent one's body from properly detoxifying. They drain one's bodily needed resources. They rob one's colon of its protective coating of mucous, and make one's colon weak and lazy. They are not natural and no animals in the wild take them to move their bowels. Some birds wash their rectums by injecting water into their long beaks but not to give themselves an enema nor colonic irrigation. Mind one's own business and let the bowels mind theirs. Their is no law of nature that says one must have a daily bowel movement. The last half of one's colon is the storage colon. The feces are in a semi-solid form and are not absorbable. There is no absorption of poisons from one's colon while fasting, while on a so-called elimination diet or while one is eating the Standard American Diet. Contrary to common belief, there is no hardened, caked-on crust of toxic waste materials lining one's colon which " can only be removed by colonics " . Bowel movement is not elimination. When one's bowels move, there is only voiding of what was previously eliminated and what had never been in one's body at all, but only in one's digestive tube. If one's instinctive, inherent intelligence, one's God within, does not want to move one's bowels, one should not think that one is smarter than one's beautiful, intelligent body. One's colon, when permitted to do so, performs its function, as automatically and spontaneously, as one's heart, liver, stomach, kidneys and breathing. One's bowels do not move because one's gastrointestinal tract is under more inflammatory stress than one can presently tolerate. Enervation from lack of rest and sleep, overeating, wrong eating, incompatible food combinations, overwork, nervous tension, nervousness, lack of proper exercise, lack of fresh air and sunshine, overworking the kidneys and impairing digestion by drinking too much water, atony (lack of muscular tone), spasticity and a self-destructive lifestyle, are the principal causes of one's bowel's inactivity. There are occasions when one's body finds it necessary to muster all of its energies for some special purpose, as in serious sickness accompanied by lack of desire for food, and one's colon may remain inactive for some time.Don't force the digestive tact to move when it is under such inflammatory stress. If you break your arm or leg or you are having heart pains, those bodily parts are under inflammatory stress. If you force them to move because you think you are more intelligent than the inherent intelligence of the God within, you will end up crippling yourself or maybe dead! Your inflammatory stressed digestive tract is no different from your broken arm or leg or your heart, that is in pain. They all need physiological rest until they heal. Leave them alone. Give one's digestive tract, a physiological rest, a water fast, until one's digestive tract is asymptomatic and/or one is genuinely hungry If one's colon is under inflammatory stress, i.e., one is constipated, one should, while water fasting, close one's eyes, feel, concentrate on and feelingly meditate on, whatever symptoms one has in one's colon. One's colon is always talking to one. Listen and do what one's God within, one's inherent intelligence is telling one to do. Then one can spontaneously have all the bowel movements that one needs. Nothing cleanses one's colon but one's colon itself. One's bowel is a self-cleansing organ. One's God within one's colon has successfully cleansed itself spontaneously for billions of years that living beings have been on earth. It is already built into the genes, the chromosomes and the DNA.. One never needs a therapeutic agent to cleanse one's colon. The enema, colonic, cleanses, etc., have no power themselves. They are inert substances. Only one's live colon has the power to react. One's colon has but one function in relation to food waste. One's colon retains the waste until such time as one's inherent intelligence is ready to dispose of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 I will be at Lauren Lockman Tangelwood Retreat getting a supervised fast in the next few weeks. I spoke with him on the phone last Tuesday. There is a lot he does not believe in such as juice fasting ect... I will try his methods, yet I have successfully juice fasted 45 days while running five miles a day. He will REQUIRE I rest the whole time. My point is he has different theories and a lot of other people do too. What works for one does not work for all. We live and learn. Personally I do not believe I would be where I am on my health today without losing the mucoid plaque. I was so sick with my chronic illness and run down. I would not of had the strength to eat raw and wait for the self process of cleansing. I noticed a big difference from food after losing the plaque. Bernadette - Vegigran rawfood Tuesday, October 14, 2003 2:18 PM [Raw Food] (Roger) mucoidal plaque <<<<Do whatever you wish, but at least you know of other possible outcomes and dangers. I'm in the process of getting an excellent article about the dangers of colonic irrigation from fasting expert Loren Lockman.>>>> Roger, Here's an article from Dr. Bernarr, that might be of interest. Vegigran By Dr. Bernarr, D.C., D.D. Colonics, enemas, laxatives, cleanses, purgatives, cathartics, drastics, mineral oil, rectal dilators, anal suppositories and other similar treatments to force bowel movements, are all dangerous and harmful to one's body. Never take them. They impair the entire metabolic processes of one's body. All forcing measures are enervating. Many cases of ulceration, hemorrhoids, colitis, flatulence, peritonitis and other digestive disorders, have had their origin from these forced bowel movement procedures. These forced bowel movement procedures are greatly enervating. They cause such a great loss of vital energy. One's body becomes so weakened as a result of such, that they prevent one's body from properly detoxifying. They drain one's bodily needed resources. They rob one's colon of its protective coating of mucous, and make one's colon weak and lazy. They are not natural and no animals in the wild take them to move their bowels. Some birds wash their rectums by injecting water into their long beaks but not to give themselves an enema nor colonic irrigation. Mind one's own business and let the bowels mind theirs. Their is no law of nature that says one must have a daily bowel movement. The last half of one's colon is the storage colon. The feces are in a semi-solid form and are not absorbable. There is no absorption of poisons from one's colon while fasting, while on a so-called elimination diet or while one is eating the Standard American Diet. Contrary to common belief, there is no hardened, caked-on crust of toxic waste materials lining one's colon which " can only be removed by colonics " . Bowel movement is not elimination. When one's bowels move, there is only voiding of what was previously eliminated and what had never been in one's body at all, but only in one's digestive tube. If one's instinctive, inherent intelligence, one's God within, does not want to move one's bowels, one should not think that one is smarter than one's beautiful, intelligent body. One's colon, when permitted to do so, performs its function, as automatically and spontaneously, as one's heart, liver, stomach, kidneys and breathing. One's bowels do not move because one's gastrointestinal tract is under more inflammatory stress than one can presently tolerate. Enervation from lack of rest and sleep, overeating, wrong eating, incompatible food combinations, overwork, nervous tension, nervousness, lack of proper exercise, lack of fresh air and sunshine, overworking the kidneys and impairing digestion by drinking too much water, atony (lack of muscular tone), spasticity and a self-destructive lifestyle, are the principal causes of one's bowel's inactivity. There are occasions when one's body finds it necessary to muster all of its energies for some special purpose, as in serious sickness accompanied by lack of desire for food, and one's colon may remain inactive for some time.Don't force the digestive tact to move when it is under such inflammatory stress. If you break your arm or leg or you are having heart pains, those bodily parts are under inflammatory stress. If you force them to move because you think you are more intelligent than the inherent intelligence of the God within, you will end up crippling yourself or maybe dead! Your inflammatory stressed digestive tract is no different from your broken arm or leg or your heart, that is in pain. They all need physiological rest until they heal. Leave them alone. Give one's digestive tract, a physiological rest, a water fast, until one's digestive tract is asymptomatic and/or one is genuinely hungry If one's colon is under inflammatory stress, i.e., one is constipated, one should, while water fasting, close one's eyes, feel, concentrate on and feelingly meditate on, whatever symptoms one has in one's colon. One's colon is always talking to one. Listen and do what one's God within, one's inherent intelligence is telling one to do. Then one can spontaneously have all the bowel movements that one needs. Nothing cleanses one's colon but one's colon itself. One's bowel is a self-cleansing organ. One's God within one's colon has successfully cleansed itself spontaneously for billions of years that living beings have been on earth. It is already built into the genes, the chromosomes and the DNA.. One never needs a therapeutic agent to cleanse one's colon. The enema, colonic, cleanses, etc., have no power themselves. They are inert substances. Only one's live colon has the power to react. One's colon has but one function in relation to food waste. One's colon retains the waste until such time as one's inherent intelligence is ready to dispose of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 I will be at Lauren Lockman Tangelwood Retreat getting a supervised fast in the next few weeks. I spoke with him on the phone last Tuesday. There is a lot he does not believe in such as juice fasting ect... I will try his methods, yet I have successfully juice fasted 45 days while running five miles a day. He will REQUIRE I rest the whole time. [RH] By exercising during the fast you are lessening the effect of the fast. Your body has a limited amount of energy to detox. If you are doing heavy exercise then that energy can't be used to break down and remove toxins in your body. +++ My point is he has different theories and a lot of other people do too. What works for one does not work for all. [RH] This is a common saying. It's politically correct. I've often found that things didn't work for me. But I didn't do them right or for a long enough time. For instance; I believed that I could not survive on eating mostly fruit. I thought I'd be hungry all the time. I even had plenty of experiences to be successful in doing that. But the last time I tried to do it I had the help of experts on the topic. They guided me through my problems. Now I do great with fruit and don't feel hungry all day long. In fact I eat much less in terms of calories than I ever did. But for many years I was convinced I couldn't do it. Yes we all have differences but why would we be the only species on the planet for instance that has to eat by its blood type? I just think there are a million wacky health theories out there. We all have to sort through them until we find the highest truth and not necessarily, " what works for us. " Loren gave an interesting analogy. Imagine you've been banging your head with a big club for 10 years. It's really hurting you. So you go out and find a smaller club. You start banging your head with that. Guess what? You start feeling much better. This explains how some people have healed themselves on say a macrobiotic diet or a vegetarian diet or even an unhealthy raw food diet. They've lessened the intensity of the head hitting. By fasting, we completely remove the club. If after fasting we go back to eating the foods we are biologically adapted to then we won't be banging our head any longer. I think this better explains the " this has worked for me theory and that we are all different. " Our main problem is that we are very sick. Because of our sickness level we have to approach our healing in slightly different manners. But if we were all healthy for our lives I suspect we'd be eating mostly fruits and vegetables in their raw state and everyone would be doing fine. Not having done this our whole lives has affected us. It has even possibly changed the enzymes in us that are needed to digest and absorb plant foods and fats. But I believe this is our ideal diet, even if cooked food man at times has a hard time eating it. +++ We live and learn. Personally I do not believe I would be where I am on my health today without losing the mucoid plaque. I was so sick with my chronic illness and run down. I would not of had the strength to eat raw and wait for the self process of cleansing. I noticed a big difference from food after losing the plaque. [RH] What people don't seem to understand is that symptoms of disease are actually the bodies attempt to heal itself. I don't think you removed mucoid plaque, but I do believe the colonic stopped your body from doing a deep detox. Loren will explain to you in detail about this theory of mucoid plaque. Even if you had a black discharge does not prove you had it. The symptoms are the cure. Everyone is thinking backwards on this. Many times positive and negative symptoms are very similar. You'll certainly learn this stuff while you stay at Tanglewood. I just saw Loren Lockman speak last night. He is a brilliant speaker. I'll be posting notes on his talk. He had so much energy. He was fresh after over 3 hours of talking and standing. I'm sure Tanglewood will be an amazing and life changing experience. As for juice fasting he doesn't like it because you're body never gets into a true fasting mode as long as you consume liquefied food. So he feels it is much less effective than a water fast. Good luck and please share with us your experience at Tanglewood, Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 on 10/14/03 7:50 PM, Roger Haeske at roger wrote: I will be at Lauren Lockman Tangelwood Retreat getting a supervised fast Where is this retreat located? Is there a website? Jane Edenfield boxers1 Odessa,Florida 33556 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Roger, I am not going to take time to respond to your post in the detail the way you did mine. However I do have this to say. You said my symptoms were my healing and that is bullshit. My symptoms went for 10 years and were getting worse and gave birth to two very sick daughters! You say that my colonic stopped my healing and that too is bullshit! For the first time in ten years I was starting to feel better AFTER lossing the plaque. I DO believe in water fasting and different methods but we don't all have the same disease and we don't all have the same cure though we think we have because you " saw the light " one way or the other. Sounds good Roger, but are you fighting for your very life every single day? I am, were you sitting on the couch a few months ago not knowing your kids names? I did. Did you heal one of mental retardation (documented)? I did. Did you heal another of life long back and neck pain (documented) with ONE COLONIC? I did. Proof is in the pudding. Did you ever do a good colon cleanse? Not that you should, you may not need too. But I did. I have a lot more to say but no time for it. Gotta go. Bernadette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Roger, I would say that you were successful in one sense: you hit a nerve. Opinions can be a scant distance away from invalidation especially regarding subjective experience. Jesse - <abrs <rawfood > Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:23 AM Re: [Raw Food] (Roger) mucoidal plaque Roger, I am not going to take time to respond to your post in the detail the way you did mine. However I do have this to say. You said my symptoms were my healing and that is bullshit. My symptoms went for 10 years and were getting worse and gave birth to two very sick daughters! You say that my colonic stopped my healing and that too is bullshit! For the first time in ten years I was starting to feel better AFTER lossing the plaque. I DO believe in water fasting and different methods but we don't all have the same disease and we don't all have the same cure though we think we have because you " saw the light " one way or the other. Sounds good Roger, but are you fighting for your very life every single day? I am, were you sitting on the couch a few months ago not knowing your kids names? I did. Did you heal one of mental retardation (documented)? I did. Did you heal another of life long back and neck pain (documented) with ONE COLONIC? I did. Proof is in the pudding. Did you ever do a good colon cleanse? Not that you should, you may not need too. But I did. I have a lot more to say but no time for it. Gotta go. Bernadette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Hi Bernadette, I respect your experiences. I am very glad you are doing better than before. I do suggest you watch the language of your posts. We can have all the disagreements we want, but we want to keep these posts to a family level so anyone can feel safe to read them. It is tough to decide what method to heal oneself. And I know that fasting isn't the answer for every single illness. There are other reasons people can get sick. For one thing I don't think fasting would help if you had a nutritional deficiency unless it somehow helped absorption or your bodies pH level. What if you had a structural problem in your back. If the spine is out of alignment then raw foods and fasting may not help. I also agree that if your symptoms were getting worse over a long period of time then something was going wrong and needed to be changed. But we can't get better until we get the toxins out. The only way for the toxins to escape the fat cells or wherever they are stored is to be put back into the blood stream where we'll feel worse initially. Once the toxins have been eliminated then we'll feel fine. I think that many people fail on the raw diet because they don't understand that the symptoms of returning to health and disease are the body's attempts at healing and containing a problem. They feel the raw diet failed because they look sickly, have headaches and feel weak. But they have to reverse years of damage. It can take 8 to 10 years or more of a healthy 100% raw food diet for some people to revert back to a level of true health. I just have a different perspective on health. Yes I've had severe problems as well. My raw diet healed me from 6.5 years of depression. As long as I had the depression life was an everyday struggle to survive. And yes I have actually tried several colon cleanses. Had I known what I know now, I wouldn't have done them. I was also considering doing colonics but luckily I found out about the dangers of colonics from Dr. Graham several years ago. I've heard of several horror stories of people having done colonics who now have to rely on colonics otherwise they are incapable of relieving themselves. I now also understand that the body is perfectly capable of removing the toxins on it's own without the help of colonics in all cases. There are rare instances where a colonic may be useful. However the colonic may end up hindering the true healing process on many levels as explained by Dr. Bernarr. I haven't seen any animals sticking their rears up a waterfall to get clean inside. The body is self-healing if we give it enough energy and the right raw materials to do it. In some cases people may need to repopulate their colon with probiotics. There are many ways health can be restored. And we have done so much damage to our bodies on a daily basis that this can be a complex issue. That is why I recommend that people do supervised fasting or go to a qualified holistic doctor if they aren't getting the results they want. Raw food isn't a cure all but it helps the body to cure itself by freeing up the energy to do so. Roger Are you plagued by these problems with your raw food diet? 1. You fear that you aren't getting enough nutrients like protein, calcium, and B12. 2. You have been eating raw but aren't getting the results you expected. 3. You fear eating fruit because of its sugar content and hybridization. I'll resolve these problems, myths and misconceptions for you with a free & no obligation 20-minute telephone or email consultation. Email me or visit www.SuperbeingDiet.com abrs [abrs] Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:24 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] (Roger) mucoidal plaque Roger, I am not going to take time to respond to your post in the detail the way you did mine. However I do have this to say. You said my symptoms were my healing and that is bullshit. My symptoms went for 10 years and were getting worse and gave birth to two very sick daughters! You say that my colonic stopped my healing and that too is bullshit! For the first time in ten years I was starting to feel better AFTER lossing the plaque. I DO believe in water fasting and different methods but we don't all have the same disease and we don't all have the same cure though we think we have because you " saw the light " one way or the other. Sounds good Roger, but are you fighting for your very life every single day? I am, were you sitting on the couch a few months ago not knowing your kids names? I did. Did you heal one of mental retardation (documented)? I did. Did you heal another of life long back and neck pain (documented) with ONE COLONIC? I did. Proof is in the pudding. Did you ever do a good colon cleanse? Not that you should, you may not need too. But I did. I have a lot more to say but no time for it. Gotta go. Bernadette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Roger, You say and I quote, " There are rare instances where a colonic may be useful. " I agree. I also think that they are likely to be useful in removing a huge poison and that, as a rule or routine event, there are many reasons to steer clear. It is the doctrinaire opinion of the extreme view being right in all circumstances which is the hardest to defend. And even when a colonic wash is right there is still going to be some down side. I guess that a lot of people come to raw food because they have messed upon their diet over many years and have accumulated untold garbage in their systems. After its removal and a switch to raw food, there should be no further need or benefit in flushing water along with everything else far up the intestine. Just an opinion Peter Roger Haeske [roger] 15 October 2003 18:32 rawfood RE: [Raw Food] (Roger) mucoidal plaque Hi Bernadette, I respect your experiences. I am very glad you are doing better than before. I do suggest you watch the language of your posts. We can have all the disagreements we want, but we want to keep these posts to a family level so anyone can feel safe to read them. It is tough to decide what method to heal oneself. And I know that fasting isn't the answer for every single illness. There are other reasons people can get sick. For one thing I don't think fasting would help if you had a nutritional deficiency unless it somehow helped absorption or your bodies pH level. What if you had a structural problem in your back. If the spine is out of alignment then raw foods and fasting may not help. I also agree that if your symptoms were getting worse over a long period of time then something was going wrong and needed to be changed. But we can't get better until we get the toxins out. The only way for the toxins to escape the fat cells or wherever they are stored is to be put back into the blood stream where we'll feel worse initially. Once the toxins have been eliminated then we'll feel fine. I think that many people fail on the raw diet because they don't understand that the symptoms of returning to health and disease are the body's attempts at healing and containing a problem. They feel the raw diet failed because they look sickly, have headaches and feel weak. But they have to reverse years of damage. It can take 8 to 10 years or more of a healthy 100% raw food diet for some people to revert back to a level of true health. I just have a different perspective on health. Yes I've had severe problems as well. My raw diet healed me from 6.5 years of depression. As long as I had the depression life was an everyday struggle to survive. And yes I have actually tried several colon cleanses. Had I known what I know now, I wouldn't have done them. I was also considering doing colonics but luckily I found out about the dangers of colonics from Dr. Graham several years ago. I've heard of several horror stories of people having done colonics who now have to rely on colonics otherwise they are incapable of relieving themselves. I now also understand that the body is perfectly capable of removing the toxins on it's own without the help of colonics in all cases. There are rare instances where a colonic may be useful. However the colonic may end up hindering the true healing process on many levels as explained by Dr. Bernarr. I haven't seen any animals sticking their rears up a waterfall to get clean inside. The body is self-healing if we give it enough energy and the right raw materials to do it. In some cases people may need to repopulate their colon with probiotics. There are many ways health can be restored. And we have done so much damage to our bodies on a daily basis that this can be a complex issue. That is why I recommend that people do supervised fasting or go to a qualified holistic doctor if they aren't getting the results they want. Raw food isn't a cure all but it helps the body to cure itself by freeing up the energy to do so. Roger Are you plagued by these problems with your raw food diet? 1. You fear that you aren't getting enough nutrients like protein, calcium, and B12. 2. You have been eating raw but aren't getting the results you expected. 3. You fear eating fruit because of its sugar content and hybridization. I'll resolve these problems, myths and misconceptions for you with a free & no obligation 20-minute telephone or email consultation. Email me or visit www.SuperbeingDiet.com abrs [abrs] Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:24 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] (Roger) mucoidal plaque Roger, I am not going to take time to respond to your post in the detail the way you did mine. However I do have this to say. You said my symptoms were my healing and that is bullshit. My symptoms went for 10 years and were getting worse and gave birth to two very sick daughters! You say that my colonic stopped my healing and that too is bullshit! For the first time in ten years I was starting to feel better AFTER lossing the plaque. I DO believe in water fasting and different methods but we don't all have the same disease and we don't all have the same cure though we think we have because you " saw the light " one way or the other. Sounds good Roger, but are you fighting for your very life every single day? I am, were you sitting on the couch a few months ago not knowing your kids names? I did. Did you heal one of mental retardation (documented)? I did. Did you heal another of life long back and neck pain (documented) with ONE COLONIC? I did. Proof is in the pudding. Did you ever do a good colon cleanse? Not that you should, you may not need too. But I did. I have a lot more to say but no time for it. Gotta go. 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Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote: > > What if you had a structural problem in your back. If the spine is out > of alignment then raw foods and fasting may not help. > Funny you should mention structural problems. I was diagnosed with scoliosis and arthritis in my spine a few months before going raw. I had suffered from chronic lower back pain for a long time. I don't have back pain anymore. I'm not sure exactly what was causing it - the scoliosis, the arthritis, bad posture or the extra weight i was carrying around - but I do know that since I've been raw I haven't been in pain. I can also feel joint movement in my spine where the curve is (and lots of it) and I didn't before. I'm tempted to have xrays done again to see what's up with it now. It would be very difficult to make the connection between structural problems and the raw diet alievating pain (with the exception of arthritis), but it's an interesting thing to think about. Perhaps someone knows more about it? Bridgitte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 Roger, I stated that Raw foods Do help me so very much and heal me when I am perfectly perfect with them. In other words I must eat only a little SOAKED nuts or I get sick. Raw foods is the answer for me. However in 1996 way back when, and long before I even heard of the principles behind raw foods I did a colon cleanse and that is what convinced me that natural health was worth investigating and may contain more answers then the MD's. That's all folks. That's all my experiance with colon cleansing and it was not a " professional administered " colonic. I did it at home. I talked with Loren Lockman last Tuesday on the phone and was suppose to be at Tangelwood this week. My husband had to travel and I will not be able to go for a few more weeks. I plan to do the water fasting for at least 21 days. I am hoping to reach a new level in my healing. Oh man today was such a bad day. My nerves were so off. I never cursed, never ever ever. This was a first. My poor kids. Bernadette - Roger Haeske rawfood Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:31 PM RE: [Raw Food] (Roger) mucoidal plaque Hi Bernadette, I respect your experiences. I am very glad you are doing better than before. I do suggest you watch the language of your posts. We can have all the disagreements we want, but we want to keep these posts to a family level so anyone can feel safe to read them. It is tough to decide what method to heal oneself. And I know that fasting isn't the answer for every single illness. There are other reasons people can get sick. For one thing I don't think fasting would help if you had a nutritional deficiency unless it somehow helped absorption or your bodies pH level. What if you had a structural problem in your back. If the spine is out of alignment then raw foods and fasting may not help. I also agree that if your symptoms were getting worse over a long period of time then something was going wrong and needed to be changed. But we can't get better until we get the toxins out. The only way for the toxins to escape the fat cells or wherever they are stored is to be put back into the blood stream where we'll feel worse initially. Once the toxins have been eliminated then we'll feel fine. I think that many people fail on the raw diet because they don't understand that the symptoms of returning to health and disease are the body's attempts at healing and containing a problem. They feel the raw diet failed because they look sickly, have headaches and feel weak. But they have to reverse years of damage. It can take 8 to 10 years or more of a healthy 100% raw food diet for some people to revert back to a level of true health. I just have a different perspective on health. Yes I've had severe problems as well. My raw diet healed me from 6.5 years of depression. As long as I had the depression life was an everyday struggle to survive. And yes I have actually tried several colon cleanses. Had I known what I know now, I wouldn't have done them. I was also considering doing colonics but luckily I found out about the dangers of colonics from Dr. Graham several years ago. I've heard of several horror stories of people having done colonics who now have to rely on colonics otherwise they are incapable of relieving themselves. I now also understand that the body is perfectly capable of removing the toxins on it's own without the help of colonics in all cases. There are rare instances where a colonic may be useful. However the colonic may end up hindering the true healing process on many levels as explained by Dr. Bernarr. I haven't seen any animals sticking their rears up a waterfall to get clean inside. The body is self-healing if we give it enough energy and the right raw materials to do it. In some cases people may need to repopulate their colon with probiotics. There are many ways health can be restored. And we have done so much damage to our bodies on a daily basis that this can be a complex issue. That is why I recommend that people do supervised fasting or go to a qualified holistic doctor if they aren't getting the results they want. Raw food isn't a cure all but it helps the body to cure itself by freeing up the energy to do so. Roger Are you plagued by these problems with your raw food diet? 1. You fear that you aren't getting enough nutrients like protein, calcium, and B12. 2. You have been eating raw but aren't getting the results you expected. 3. You fear eating fruit because of its sugar content and hybridization. I'll resolve these problems, myths and misconceptions for you with a free & no obligation 20-minute telephone or email consultation. Email me or visit www.SuperbeingDiet.com abrs [abrs] Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:24 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] (Roger) mucoidal plaque Roger, I am not going to take time to respond to your post in the detail the way you did mine. However I do have this to say. You said my symptoms were my healing and that is bullshit. My symptoms went for 10 years and were getting worse and gave birth to two very sick daughters! You say that my colonic stopped my healing and that too is bullshit! For the first time in ten years I was starting to feel better AFTER lossing the plaque. I DO believe in water fasting and different methods but we don't all have the same disease and we don't all have the same cure though we think we have because you " saw the light " one way or the other. Sounds good Roger, but are you fighting for your very life every single day? I am, were you sitting on the couch a few months ago not knowing your kids names? I did. Did you heal one of mental retardation (documented)? I did. Did you heal another of life long back and neck pain (documented) with ONE COLONIC? I did. Proof is in the pudding. Did you ever do a good colon cleanse? Not that you should, you may not need too. But I did. I have a lot more to say but no time for it. Gotta go. Bernadette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 Peter, That is a very good evaluation of the need for a colonic. Especailly when one has eaten white flour most of there life or had substance abuse when young. I know I wanted several colonics after getting out of the hospital. It was a good way to clean the dyes, drug and awful food out fast. - Peter Gardiner rawfood Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:49 PM RE: [Raw Food] (Roger) mucoidal plaque Roger, You say and I quote, " There are rare instances where a colonic may be useful. " I agree. I also think that they are likely to be useful in removing a huge poison and that, as a rule or routine event, there are many reasons to steer clear. It is the doctrinaire opinion of the extreme view being right in all circumstances which is the hardest to defend. And even when a colonic wash is right there is still going to be some down side. I guess that a lot of people come to raw food because they have messed upon their diet over many years and have accumulated untold garbage in their systems. After its removal and a switch to raw food, there should be no further need or benefit in flushing water along with everything else far up the intestine. Just an opinion Peter Roger Haeske [roger] 15 October 2003 18:32 rawfood RE: [Raw Food] (Roger) mucoidal plaque Hi Bernadette, I respect your experiences. I am very glad you are doing better than before. I do suggest you watch the language of your posts. We can have all the disagreements we want, but we want to keep these posts to a family level so anyone can feel safe to read them. It is tough to decide what method to heal oneself. And I know that fasting isn't the answer for every single illness. There are other reasons people can get sick. For one thing I don't think fasting would help if you had a nutritional deficiency unless it somehow helped absorption or your bodies pH level. What if you had a structural problem in your back. If the spine is out of alignment then raw foods and fasting may not help. I also agree that if your symptoms were getting worse over a long period of time then something was going wrong and needed to be changed. But we can't get better until we get the toxins out. The only way for the toxins to escape the fat cells or wherever they are stored is to be put back into the blood stream where we'll feel worse initially. Once the toxins have been eliminated then we'll feel fine. I think that many people fail on the raw diet because they don't understand that the symptoms of returning to health and disease are the body's attempts at healing and containing a problem. They feel the raw diet failed because they look sickly, have headaches and feel weak. But they have to reverse years of damage. It can take 8 to 10 years or more of a healthy 100% raw food diet for some people to revert back to a level of true health. I just have a different perspective on health. Yes I've had severe problems as well. My raw diet healed me from 6.5 years of depression. As long as I had the depression life was an everyday struggle to survive. And yes I have actually tried several colon cleanses. Had I known what I know now, I wouldn't have done them. I was also considering doing colonics but luckily I found out about the dangers of colonics from Dr. Graham several years ago. I've heard of several horror stories of people having done colonics who now have to rely on colonics otherwise they are incapable of relieving themselves. I now also understand that the body is perfectly capable of removing the toxins on it's own without the help of colonics in all cases. There are rare instances where a colonic may be useful. However the colonic may end up hindering the true healing process on many levels as explained by Dr. Bernarr. I haven't seen any animals sticking their rears up a waterfall to get clean inside. The body is self-healing if we give it enough energy and the right raw materials to do it. In some cases people may need to repopulate their colon with probiotics. There are many ways health can be restored. And we have done so much damage to our bodies on a daily basis that this can be a complex issue. That is why I recommend that people do supervised fasting or go to a qualified holistic doctor if they aren't getting the results they want. Raw food isn't a cure all but it helps the body to cure itself by freeing up the energy to do so. Roger Are you plagued by these problems with your raw food diet? 1. You fear that you aren't getting enough nutrients like protein, calcium, and B12. 2. You have been eating raw but aren't getting the results you expected. 3. You fear eating fruit because of its sugar content and hybridization. I'll resolve these problems, myths and misconceptions for you with a free & no obligation 20-minute telephone or email consultation. Email me or visit www.SuperbeingDiet.com abrs [abrs] Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:24 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] (Roger) mucoidal plaque Roger, I am not going to take time to respond to your post in the detail the way you did mine. However I do have this to say. You said my symptoms were my healing and that is bullshit. My symptoms went for 10 years and were getting worse and gave birth to two very sick daughters! You say that my colonic stopped my healing and that too is bullshit! For the first time in ten years I was starting to feel better AFTER lossing the plaque. I DO believe in water fasting and different methods but we don't all have the same disease and we don't all have the same cure though we think we have because you " saw the light " one way or the other. Sounds good Roger, but are you fighting for your very life every single day? I am, were you sitting on the couch a few months ago not knowing your kids names? I did. Did you heal one of mental retardation (documented)? I did. Did you heal another of life long back and neck pain (documented) with ONE COLONIC? I did. Proof is in the pudding. Did you ever do a good colon cleanse? Not that you should, you may not need too. But I did. I have a lot more to say but no time for it. Gotta go. Bernadette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 abrs I went 100% at the end of a 28 day water fast. Each week in that fast I had a colonic wash. I felt much better after each wash. However at the end I am convinced that nearly all the intestinal bacteria was washed out. I took some potion supplied by the hydro therapist to replace it but the food I ate was not properly digested. A week or so later, normality returned. Now I sometimes take a probiotic. With hindsight, I am inclined to think I did the right thing. I never had any problems of transition or desire to lapse into eating cooked food. Now, I do not see the value in my taking another long water fast or any more colonic washes. If I got ill or had a stomach ache it would be different but that has not happened in the 3 years that I have been 100% raw. Peter abrs [abrs] 16 October 2003 03:14 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] (Roger) mucoidal plaque Peter, That is a very good evaluation of the need for a colonic. Especailly when one has eaten white flour most of there life or had substance abuse when young. I know I wanted several colonics after getting out of the hospital. It was a good way to clean the dyes, drug and awful food out fast. - Peter Gardiner rawfood Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:49 PM RE: [Raw Food] (Roger) mucoidal plaque Roger, You say and I quote, " There are rare instances where a colonic may be useful. " I agree. I also think that they are likely to be useful in removing a huge poison and that, as a rule or routine event, there are many reasons to steer clear. It is the doctrinaire opinion of the extreme view being right in all circumstances which is the hardest to defend. And even when a colonic wash is right there is still going to be some down side. I guess that a lot of people come to raw food because they have messed upon their diet over many years and have accumulated untold garbage in their systems. After its removal and a switch to raw food, there should be no further need or benefit in flushing water along with everything else far up the intestine. Just an opinion Peter Roger Haeske [roger] 15 October 2003 18:32 rawfood RE: [Raw Food] (Roger) mucoidal plaque Hi Bernadette, I respect your experiences. I am very glad you are doing better than before. I do suggest you watch the language of your posts. We can have all the disagreements we want, but we want to keep these posts to a family level so anyone can feel safe to read them. It is tough to decide what method to heal oneself. And I know that fasting isn't the answer for every single illness. There are other reasons people can get sick. For one thing I don't think fasting would help if you had a nutritional deficiency unless it somehow helped absorption or your bodies pH level. What if you had a structural problem in your back. If the spine is out of alignment then raw foods and fasting may not help. I also agree that if your symptoms were getting worse over a long period of time then something was going wrong and needed to be changed. But we can't get better until we get the toxins out. The only way for the toxins to escape the fat cells or wherever they are stored is to be put back into the blood stream where we'll feel worse initially. Once the toxins have been eliminated then we'll feel fine. I think that many people fail on the raw diet because they don't understand that the symptoms of returning to health and disease are the body's attempts at healing and containing a problem. They feel the raw diet failed because they look sickly, have headaches and feel weak. But they have to reverse years of damage. It can take 8 to 10 years or more of a healthy 100% raw food diet for some people to revert back to a level of true health. I just have a different perspective on health. Yes I've had severe problems as well. My raw diet healed me from 6.5 years of depression. As long as I had the depression life was an everyday struggle to survive. And yes I have actually tried several colon cleanses. Had I known what I know now, I wouldn't have done them. I was also considering doing colonics but luckily I found out about the dangers of colonics from Dr. Graham several years ago. I've heard of several horror stories of people having done colonics who now have to rely on colonics otherwise they are incapable of relieving themselves. I now also understand that the body is perfectly capable of removing the toxins on it's own without the help of colonics in all cases. There are rare instances where a colonic may be useful. However the colonic may end up hindering the true healing process on many levels as explained by Dr. Bernarr. I haven't seen any animals sticking their rears up a waterfall to get clean inside. The body is self-healing if we give it enough energy and the right raw materials to do it. In some cases people may need to repopulate their colon with probiotics. There are many ways health can be restored. And we have done so much damage to our bodies on a daily basis that this can be a complex issue. That is why I recommend that people do supervised fasting or go to a qualified holistic doctor if they aren't getting the results they want. Raw food isn't a cure all but it helps the body to cure itself by freeing up the energy to do so. Roger Are you plagued by these problems with your raw food diet? 1. You fear that you aren't getting enough nutrients like protein, calcium, and B12. 2. You have been eating raw but aren't getting the results you expected. 3. You fear eating fruit because of its sugar content and hybridization. I'll resolve these problems, myths and misconceptions for you with a free & no obligation 20-minute telephone or email consultation. Email me or visit www.SuperbeingDiet.com abrs [abrs] Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:24 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] (Roger) mucoidal plaque Roger, I am not going to take time to respond to your post in the detail the way you did mine. However I do have this to say. You said my symptoms were my healing and that is bullshit. My symptoms went for 10 years and were getting worse and gave birth to two very sick daughters! You say that my colonic stopped my healing and that too is bullshit! For the first time in ten years I was starting to feel better AFTER lossing the plaque. I DO believe in water fasting and different methods but we don't all have the same disease and we don't all have the same cure though we think we have because you " saw the light " one way or the other. Sounds good Roger, but are you fighting for your very life every single day? I am, were you sitting on the couch a few months ago not knowing your kids names? I did. Did you heal one of mental retardation (documented)? I did. Did you heal another of life long back and neck pain (documented) with ONE COLONIC? I did. Proof is in the pudding. Did you ever do a good colon cleanse? Not that you should, you may not need too. But I did. I have a lot more to say but no time for it. Gotta go. Bernadette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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