Optimal Raw Diet

[Guest guest]

Bryan wrote:

>I think 65% fruit, 35% veggies, 5% seeds (alkaline only) is the way to

go for optimal health.

 

What seeds are alkaline?

 

>Calorie dense foods lack water, and water is needed for

our body to convert the sugars to glucous, and to help our acid cell

waste.

 

What are calorie dense foods?

 

Thanks in advance!

--Jenny

 

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[Guest guest]

> What seeds are alkaline?

 

i think pumpkin seeds are, andi think almonds are. but they are fat

heavy. so i still think they are unhealthy if you eat a ton, a small

handful a day is prolly good and only after they are soak. this would

be the only way you could get 8-1-1.

 

 

> What are calorie dense foods?

 

calorie dense foods would be meats, dairy, grains, beans, nuts, seeds,

carrots, beets and other roots. the human body is not only vegan in in

design, it is very pickey about what you put into it. you cannot get

to most nuts without tools, you cannot get to most roots without tools.

 

We are fruit eating animals that need a decent amount of green leafy

and celery water heavy veggies.

 

the problem, is what dr graham says, people don't eat enough fruits or

veggies when they go raw, instead they raise their fat. and high fat

in the blood means low oxygene in the blood. lower your oxygene by 30%

and you will get cancer, no ifs and buts, and fat puts you there,

doesnt matter if you if its cooked fat or raw fat.

 

i do also recomend juicing during fat loss and detox, and i do

recomend a b12 sup. and that is all.

 

> Thanks in advance!

 

you are welcome.

 

expect tooth problems during detox. that is why i recomend high

amounts of greens and green drinks, to get those minerals your body is

loosing during detox. your body sacrifices your teeth first during

mineral loss.

 

keep your teeth clean with regular soap, not tooth paste. try dr

bohns, or whatever.

[Guest guest]

> What seeds are alkaline?

-

Only one I know of in the unsproutred form is millet.

All seeds are alkaline once sprouted.

rusty

[Guest guest]

Hi Leslie, I don't advocate one absolute diet- I feel there are many

combinations (some

heavier on the fruit, some heavier on the greens, some with a bit more fat) that

will suit

different people depending on their needs and lifestyle. Just like how

different tribes of

chimps will eat different percentages of fruit, there is no one " fixed " diet

humans must

adhere to religiously.

 

That said, having been involved with raw foodism for awhile (going on 5 yrs),

I've seen a

lot of people make a few mistakes when determining how to eat. A lot of people

start off

well and then, after a few years, beging to notice problems. I believe the

biggest mistakes

are,

1) Overeating fruit to the exclusion of other foods (especially greens)

2) Assuming modern fruit will provide the same macro- and micro-nutrient ratios

that we

thrive on

3) Undereating total calories

 

In an ideal world, our optimal raw diets would consist of organic, wild fruit

(with hexose

dominated sugar, high fiber content, higher protein and fat content,

tree-ripened, and

seeded), large amounts of wild leafy greens- including very dark ones;

occasional seeds

and nuts, occasional tubers and sprouts, etc. Of course, very very few people

actually

have access to high-quality fruits and greens that resemble what we're adapted

to. On the

contrary, many folks make supermarket fruit a staple of their diet, which can

certainly

work for awhile (it's better than eating big macs all day!!) but is ultimately

unnatural, leading to an overabundance of sugars and insufficient fat and

protein. That's

not to say we need a lot of fat and protein, but continuous underconsumption of

EFAs in

particular (DHA and EPA) is not a wise choice.

 

How to compensate for the problems with modern fruit? No one seems to agree on

this-

some say supplement, eat superfoods, eat low glycemic, etc. Personally, I am a

fan of

getting our nutrition from whole foods and not pills, and what I recommend is to

limit the

amount of high-sucrose, seedless, super-sugary fruits, and eat generous

quantities of

greens (both tender and dark). Most people seem to do better on a lower-fat

diet (15-20%

seems optimal) and I recommend coconut as the best fat source, since the medium

chain

triglycerides are more healthful than the polyunsaturates in most nuts and

seeds.

 

Of course, this must all be tailored on an individual basis. Someone with high

calorie

needs (say, an athlete) can get away with more fruit, perhaps the higher-sugar

sorts, than

someone who is not as active. Things like protein are better determined on a

gram-per-

pound/bodyweight basis than relying on a percent of total calories. There is no

exact

formula for an optimal diet, but the more nutrient-rich and wild the foods eaten

are, the

better.

 

Gosh, I have no idea if that answered your question- I tend to go off on

tangents I hope

at least some of that was helpful to you

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " chai_mama@j... " <chai_mama@j...>

wrote:

>

> Bleucadenza~

> You seem to have some pretty strong views on what is the optimal

raw diet for modern

folks . . .

> what (in your opinion) is it?

> Leslie

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bleucadenza!

You gave us a lot of " food " for thought!

I appreciate you taking the time to write such a lengthy & thoughtful post.

I must say, the more I delve into the raw foods, the more confusing it all gets.

I love the fact that you are in this group & I am sure that you will add a great

deal to the discussions here--

You and Elchanan have a lot of knowledge & experience to share with some of us

who are more new to these ideas & still finding our way around.

thanks for sharing so much with us!

namaste,

Leslie

[Guest guest]

OK, what are DHA and EPA? Are not flax seeds enough to get EFA's? I believe

the monounsaturated fats of avocados, olives, almonds and other nuts, etc. are

advantageous for normal fat intake as opposed to saturated fats of coconut or

other kinds of intake of polyunsaturated fats. I do like coconut, but not as a

savior type of ultimate fat for everything in blind faith due to the " movement "

of raw foods. I am not suggesting your post reflects this idealogy about coconut

oil, but I have seen books that do.

 

I have not seen sufficient scientific research that supports saturated fat as

being the only fat one should eat. I am not sure there is even any scientific

evidence supporting coconut at all due to it being a saturated fat. Most of the

support I have seen for the coconut, was from the sellers of the coconut. I

would like to see some other coconut oil research, because I do like coconut.

 

Also, I believe variety is the key to a well balanced raw diet. Overall, I

would bet my lifestyle should be one who eats mainly monounsaturated fats making

up a majority of my diet. I believe monounsaturated fats to be more beneficial

for the human body from what I have read so far on nutrition. Please tell me

what your ideas on this are. I would like to learn more.

Thank you.

Maureen

 

bleucadenza <bleucadenza wrote:

That's

not to say we need a lot of fat and protein, but continuous underconsumption of

EFAs in

particular (DHA and EPA) is not a wise choice.

 

How to compensate for the problems with modern fruit? No one seems to agree on

this-

some say supplement, eat superfoods, eat low glycemic, etc. Personally, I am a

fan of

getting our nutrition from whole foods and not pills, and what I recommend is to

limit the

amount of high-sucrose, seedless, super-sugary fruits, and eat generous

quantities of

greens (both tender and dark). Most people seem to do better on a lower-fat

diet (15-20%

seems optimal) and I recommend coconut as the best fat source, since the medium

chain

triglycerides are more healthful than the polyunsaturates in most nuts and

seeds.

 

Of course, this must all be tailored on an individual basis. Someone with high

calorie

needs (say, an athlete) can get away with more fruit, perhaps the higher-sugar

sorts, than

someone who is not as active. Things like protein are better determined on a

gram-per-

pound/bodyweight basis than relying on a percent of total calories. There is no

exact

formula for an optimal diet, but the more nutrient-rich and wild the foods eaten

are, the

better.

 

Gosh, I have no idea if that answered your question- I tend to go off on

tangents I hope

at least some of that was helpful to you

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " chai_mama@j... " <chai_mama@j...>

wrote:

>

> Bleucadenza~

> You seem to have some pretty strong views on what is the optimal

raw diet for modern

folks . . .

> what (in your opinion) is it?

> Leslie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that the only " known " vegan source of EPA is in purslane

(a green, otherwise known as a " weed " ). And that EPA is still unknown as

being " essential " or " non-essential " . I would love to hear if anyone has any

info on this.

 

Thanks,

 

Poppy

 

(p.s. I also belive that balance and variety are the key to a healthy diet)

 

 

 

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

maureen smith

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:24 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Optimal raw diet

 

 

 

OK, what are DHA and EPA? Are not flax seeds enough to get EFA's? I

believe the monounsaturated fats of avocados, olives, almonds and other

nuts, etc. are advantageous for normal fat intake as opposed to saturated

fats of coconut or other kinds of intake of polyunsaturated fats. I do like

coconut, but not as a savior type of ultimate fat for everything in blind

faith due to the " movement " of raw foods. I am not suggesting your post

reflects this idealogy about coconut oil, but I have seen books that do.

 

I have not seen sufficient scientific research that supports saturated fat

as being the only fat one should eat. I am not sure there is even any

scientific evidence supporting coconut at all due to it being a saturated

fat. Most of the support I have seen for the coconut, was from the sellers

of the coconut. I would like to see some other coconut oil research,

because I do like coconut.

 

Also, I believe variety is the key to a well balanced raw diet. Overall, I

would bet my lifestyle should be one who eats mainly monounsaturated fats

making up a majority of my diet. I believe monounsaturated fats to be more

beneficial for the human body from what I have read so far on nutrition.

Please tell me what your ideas on this are. I would like to learn more.

Thank you.

Maureen

 

bleucadenza <bleucadenza wrote:

That's

not to say we need a lot of fat and protein, but continuous underconsumption

of EFAs in

particular (DHA and EPA) is not a wise choice.

 

How to compensate for the problems with modern fruit? No one seems to agree

on this-

some say supplement, eat superfoods, eat low glycemic, etc. Personally, I am

a fan of

getting our nutrition from whole foods and not pills, and what I recommend

is to limit the

amount of high-sucrose, seedless, super-sugary fruits, and eat generous

quantities of

greens (both tender and dark). Most people seem to do better on a lower-fat

diet (15-20%

seems optimal) and I recommend coconut as the best fat source, since the

medium chain

triglycerides are more healthful than the polyunsaturates in most nuts and

seeds.

 

Of course, this must all be tailored on an individual basis. Someone with

high calorie

needs (say, an athlete) can get away with more fruit, perhaps the

higher-sugar sorts, than

someone who is not as active. Things like protein are better determined on

a gram-per-

pound/bodyweight basis than relying on a percent of total calories. There is

no exact

formula for an optimal diet, but the more nutrient-rich and wild the foods

eaten are, the

better.

 

Gosh, I have no idea if that answered your question- I tend to go off on

tangents I hope

at least some of that was helpful to you

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " chai_mama@j... " <chai_mama@j...>

wrote:

>

> Bleucadenza~

> You seem to have some pretty strong views on what is the optimal

raw diet for modern

folks . . .

> what (in your opinion) is it?

> Leslie