Raw Eating and The Christian

[Guest guest]

Dear Susan,

Yes, I am a follower of Jesus! I believe God deals with us as individuals

and leads us a step at a time. Food can be all consuming and distracting

from something else God wants to deal with us about. In our relationships

with others I have decided food is one of those areas where we need to

agree to disagree. The Bible is not a rule book. It shows us THE WAY,

Jesus, God Himself, and how to be in relationship with Him who said He

came to this earth to give us ABUNDANT LIFE. (John 10:10)

 

Yes, there is a lot about food in the Bible. What I would sum up the

message about food to be is that yes, all foods are lawful, however not

all foods are profitable. The Lord Jesus Christ answered me when I cried

out to him for health, healing and weight loss and His ANSWER is raw

living food and the principals of Natural Hygiene. I've been all raw for

5 months as of today and I have lost 50 pounds so far! Praise the Lord!

Love,

Jenny Silliman

www.rawblog.blogspot.com

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Tev,

 

Thanks for the response. I realize that we all come from different

places and histories with consequent diverse presuppositions that

preclude agreement.

 

That said, I do believe the Bible to be the inspired and inerrant

Word of God and have spent many years now studying it in depth to

discover that there are no inconsistencies, inaccuracies, or

contradictions. I do acknowledge that some appear to be there on the

surface though. It wasn't until I discovered systemic theology that

it all began to fall into place and make sense.

 

Because of all this, I have learned that God's words must be put into

context. Yes, we should pay particular attention to God's first words

in the garden, but they must be framed properly. Who was he talking

to? Why? What was the occasion? What was the world like then (it was

perfect, there was no sin, there was no rain, the earth was watered

differently and the atmosphere was different then, there was no death

so eating animals was not an option, etc...)? All of God's Word is

equally important, though all of it has it's own context.

 

Anyway, I don't want this to become about theology per se, or

hermeneutics so I'll stop here.

 

Any Christians who want or can take a stab at this?

 

Susan

 

rawfood , tev treowlufu <goraw808> wrote:

> Dear Susan:

>

> As a pre-text to my reply, I must state that I do not

> believe that the bible is " the word of God " inerrant;

[Guest guest]

Tev

 

Great academy from the Bible but the entire structure of the human anatomy

screams for a raw diet.

 

Easy to go further and say frugivores.

 

The problem with the Bible is that it is no more than a record of the of the

time. The irrefutable axia sit there especially in the second testament and

require no illumination from me. They will stand at the last day of

mankind. A lot is dated much more will get corroded but the essence of the

Bible will endure to eternity. The chaff therein exists.

 

I believe that the raw diet is a far greater illumination than the Bible;

blessed as both beacons are.

 

Peter

[Guest guest]

Hi Susan,

 

Just wanna add something. Not for debate though.

 

Story of Jesus (Yashua) being vegetarian can be read in the gospel of

Nazirene(http://messianic.nazirene.us/gospel_index.htm). It was claimed

that this is the true gospel that was copied into bible gospels and later

on modified by correctors in Constantine period (council of Nicea) to

change all teaching to conform to the life style (meat eating etcs) of

rulers and priests in that era. While we read Jesus fed 5000 with fishs and

breads in the Bible, in Nazirene gospel, it was breads and grapes. In that

gospel, Jesus shew the humane side by treating the animal as also part of

thy neighbor and forbade tormenting/killing/sacrificing animals. And also

the more controversial part is that in this gospel told about Jesus

teaching transmigration of soul or reincarnation. Ofcourse all these

teaching is radically different from the current bible and the doctrine

believed today in the mainstream Christianity.

 

This is just another stories that I've read, just another reference about

life of Jesus that is different from the bible. Whether it is true or

false, you can check it out dan decide for yourself.

 

Peace,

Irawan

 

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Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:21:53 +0100

" Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner

RE: Raw Eating and The Christian

 

Susan,

 

Somewhere I have read something about Christ being an Essene and eating

raw.

He certainly ate bread but may have been vegetarian. 400 years earlier,

Pythagoras was

raw and there was a whole Greek school around which was Raw.

 

Speaking for myself the more religions here the better although I care not

at all for preaching

The Bible was written long ago when human knowledge was less but I am

compelled to agree with the notion of Love being a basis for the conduct of

life. Not all the scientists in the world the highest power will convince

me otherwise.

 

Certainly peace and inner calm is getting very good press in the medical

fraternity.

 

That said trekking through biblical texts on diets an exercise of casual

interest at best to me.

 

The lawyer attacking me is getting Luke 11.46. :-)

 

Peter

 

 

Susan [susan_wilkinson]

10 December 2003 17:39

rawfood

[Raw Food] Raw Eating and The Christian

 

Okay, this might open a can of worms, but I have a question.

 

I am a Christian (in the narrow sense, not the broader sense. IOW, I

am a ~practicing~, I-hope-to-get-it-right-one-day Christian, not in

name only). I have done a ton of reading on diets and natural

hygiene, etc. and am quite convinced that our SAD is indeed sad.

But...

 

Because I believe the Bible above all things I am wondering how any

Christians that might be here reconcile what the Bible says with an

all-raw or vegetarian lifestyle. God gave meat to eat and in fact,

clearly provided it at times (for the priests, for the Israelites in

the desert, etc.). Romans 14 calls the vegetarian the weaker brother

because his conscience will only allow vegetables. The Lord gave

Peter the vision of all previous " unclean " things being let down in

the sheet and commanded him to " rise and eat " . All of this makes me

question the science that all raw/all veggie is really THE way to go

as far as eating. There is science that suggests that some meat is a

good thing (just as there is science that suggests the opposite). Who

to believe? I have decided to use the Word of God to help me sift the

science and decide what to eat.

 

I am absolutely convinced (by experience, by reading, and mostly by

the confirmation of the Word of God) that raw food is good, that

whole food is good, that overly-processed foods are not good (IOW,

chemicals, additives, " instant " foods, etc., excluding the process of

cooking some foods), that fasting and juicing are great and necessary

and the like. But I am not able to accept all raw or vegetarian at

this point because I have not been able to reconcile it with the

Bible and have not heard the other point of view if there is one (and

I suspect there is). Well, I have heard the Halleluia Acres argument

that in Gen. 1:29 we were originally given the plants and stuff to

eat, but this takes one portion of Scripture and discounts others

(there is another reason we didn't eat meat at that time). I would

like to see this verse/argument reconciled with the other verses that

talk about eating meat and cooked.

 

If this is beyond the scope of this group, please forgive me and

ignore this post. I just thought this the best place to find those

who were already convinced of raw eating who might also be

Christians. I know Jenny Silliman here is a believer, but wasn't sure

about anyone else. Oh, 'cept Grace, but I know where she stands.

 

Anyone else willing to share? (If it's appropriate.)

 

Thanks,

Susan

[Guest guest]

Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote:

 

 

but the entire structure of the human anatomy

screams for a raw diet.

 

Easy to go further and say frugivores.

 

 

T: I concur Peter

 

 

The problem with the Bible is that it is no more than a record of the of the

time. The irrefutable axia sit there especially in the second testament and

require no illumination from me. They will stand at the last day of

mankind. A lot is dated much more will get corroded but the essence of the

Bible will endure to eternity. The chaff therein exists.

 

Perhaps some of it is worthy of retention; but its essence?

 

A god who requires blood sacrifice? sacrifices his own son?

 

No thanks. Keep your god of death.

 

I believe that the raw diet is a far greater illumination than the Bible;

 

 

I agree. Everything after Gen 1:29 is a carnivore farce.

 

 

 

wit regard,

 

 

 

tev

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Genesis 1:29 God gives instructions to humans regards food. Check it out.

 

tev treowlufu <goraw808 wrote:

 

Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote:

 

 

but the entire structure of the human anatomy

screams for a raw diet.

 

Easy to go further and say frugivores.

 

 

T: I concur Peter

 

 

The problem with the Bible is that it is no more than a record of the of the

time. The irrefutable axia sit there especially in the second testament and

require no illumination from me. They will stand at the last day of

mankind. A lot is dated much more will get corroded but the essence of the

Bible will endure to eternity. The chaff therein exists.

 

Perhaps some of it is worthy of retention; but its essence?

 

A god who requires blood sacrifice? sacrifices his own son?

 

No thanks. Keep your god of death.

 

I believe that the raw diet is a far greater illumination than the Bible;

 

 

I agree. Everything after Gen 1:29 is a carnivore farce.

 

 

 

wit regard,

 

 

 

tev

 

 

 

The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual

into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of

all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each

is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1]

 

 

 

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