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Dear Susan:

 

I offered my opinion based upon my study of it.

Presupposition wasn't a factor as you suggest.

I look at what is there.

 

There are many inconsistencies and inaccuracies.

I have found them. God is inconsistent and has to

repent of his evil (Exodus 32:14).

 

If the bible is inerrant, as you suggest, then men

are " God " ; for they wrote the words.

 

As to the First Words in the garden, I suggest

that your questioning is just making a mountain

out of a sandgrain. The First Words are right to

the point, simple and clear. (Then God said, " I

give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of

the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with

seed in it. They will be yours for food.)

 

Sin came about because of the eating of the

forbidden fruit (animal flesh), which is disobedience

to the First Words (First Love?). There are even

skins left over from the kill with which to make clothes

(Genesis 3:21).

 

I personally believe the garden story is a depiction

of the human brain and the serpent is the medulla

oblongata (seat of aggression). Of course, my brain

has a " convoluted " sense of itself and may be taking

liberties with insight.

 

regards,

 

tev

 

Susan <susan_wilkinson wrote:

Hi Tev,

 

Thanks for the response. I realize that we all come from different

places and histories with consequent diverse presuppositions that

preclude agreement.

 

That said, I do believe the Bible to be the inspired and inerrant

Word of God and have spent many years now studying it in depth to

discover that there are no inconsistencies, inaccuracies, or

contradictions. I do acknowledge that some appear to be there on the

surface though. It wasn't until I discovered systemic theology that

it all began to fall into place and make sense.

 

Because of all this, I have learned that God's words must be put into

context. Yes, we should pay particular attention to God's first words

in the garden, but they must be framed properly. Who was he talking

to? Why? What was the occasion? What was the world like then (it was

perfect, there was no sin, there was no rain, the earth was watered

differently and the atmosphere was different then, there was no death

so eating animals was not an option, etc...)? All of God's Word is

equally important, though all of it has it's own context.

 

 

 

The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual

into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of

all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each

is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1]

 

 

 

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> There are many inconsistencies and inaccuracies.

> I have found them. God is inconsistent and has to

> repent of his evil (Exodus 32:14).

 

How is God inconsistent? Why do you call Him evil?

 

> If the bible is inerrant, as you suggest, then men

> are " God " ; for they wrote the words.

 

Men are not God. They did not write the Bible on their own. They wrote what

the Holy Spirit told them to write. The only texts that are inerrant are

the original. (This is probably where you will find some disagreements

among Christians.) Translations, and with society changing the meanings of

words, have distorted some passages. However, with consistent reading and

the willingness to find the truth, you will find it.

 

> Sin came about because of the eating of the

> forbidden fruit (animal flesh), which is disobedience

> to the First Words (First Love?). There are even

> skins left over from the kill with which to make clothes

> (Genesis 3:21).

 

The forbidden fruit was not animal flesh. It was a fruit from a tree.

 

~Wendy

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rawfood , " Bridgitte " <syndactylcat> wrote:

> Can we please keep the discussion to relating the raw diet to the

> bible instead of having a theological discussion?

>

> Thanks,

> Bridgitte

 

i totally agree, i almost got booted off because of my anti modern

christian beleifs.

 

and i don't think this is a place for a historical debate about god.

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I agree as well. I have my question answered sufficiently in that no

one here can answer my question sufficiently, so thanks for all who

responded, but this is definitely not the place for a debate about

God, historical or otherwise.

 

Susan

 

 

 

 

> and i don't think this is a place for a historical debate about god.

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The raw food forum isn't the place for this discussion.

This is the last I shall comment on this matter.

If you wish, we can discuss off list.

 

> There are many inconsistencies and inaccuracies.

> I have found them. God is inconsistent and has to

> repent of his evil (Exodus 32:14).

 

W: How is God inconsistent? Why do you call Him evil?

 

T: The bible itself does, not me. You obviously haven't

read the bible? Reading the Exodus 32:14 passage:

" And the LORD repented of the evil which he

thought to do unto his people. "

 

> If the bible is inerrant, as you suggest, then men

> are " God " ; for they wrote the words.

 

W: Men are not God.

 

T: " Are ye not Gods? "

John 10

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written

in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

 

 

W:They did not write the Bible on their own.

They wrote what the Holy Spirit told them to write.

 

T: OK, And the Holy Spirit tells me what to write here too.

 

 

W: The only texts that are inerrant are the original.

 

T: According to who? I dispute the inerrancy claim.

 

(This is probably where you will find some disagreements

among Christians.) Translations, and with society changing the

meanings of words, have distorted some passages.

 

T: There are other places to find disagreement among

Christians; just look in the yellow pages under " Churches " ;

Christians running in all different directions.

 

W: However, with consistent reading and

the willingness to find the truth, you will find it.

 

T: That is exactly what I have been writing: the truth;

as the God of Love (not the animal sacrificing god

of the bible) bids me write.

 

> Sin came about because of the eating of the

> forbidden fruit (animal flesh), which is disobedience

> to the First Words (First Love?). There are even

> skins left over from the kill with which to make clothes

> (Genesis 3:21).

 

W: The forbidden fruit was not animal flesh. It was a fruit from a tree.

 

T: I respectfully disagree. The genesis description is metaphorical.

It is typical for the human mind (human consciousness)

to attempt to deny it has done a bad deed

(killing; disobeying), just as it is typical for that same

human consciousness to project that blame onto " another. "

Adam blames Eve. Eve blames the serpent (medulla

oblongata; animal lust). To hide the deed from itself, the

human consciousness projected blame onto an innocent.

The fruit tree; fruit. Now the forbidden food is a " fruit " , instead

of animal flesh. What a twisted self deception (full alzheimers-

like tangled proteins?). That is why the garden scene

is set as a story.

 

Not only has the carnivoristic human consciousness

rejected God's guidance in living as rawfood vegan

fruitarians, they cast aspersions upon fruit as food

via the " forbidden fruit " stigma.

 

The human carnivore mind continues its carnal lust

by inserting falsehoods in the text (such as " God requires

us to sacrifice animals; again putting blame on an

innocent). I finish with the following quote:

 

" All that is necessary, as it seems to me, to convince any reasonable person

that the Bible is simply and purely of human invention -- of barbarian invention

-- is to read it. Read it as you would any other book; think of it as you would

of any other, get the bandage of reverence from your eyes; drive from your heart

the phantom of fear; push from the throne of your brain the cowled form of

superstition -- then read the Holy bible, and you will be amazed that you ever,

for one moment, supposed a being of infinite wisdom, goodness and purity to be

the author of such ignorance and such atrocity. " --Robert Green Ingersoll (from

his essay 'The Gods')

 

 

 

 

The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual

into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of

all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each

is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1]

 

 

 

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God is Love.

What's there to debate?

 

regards,

 

tev

 

 

Susan <susan_wilkinson wrote:

I agree as well. I have my question answered sufficiently in that no

one here can answer my question sufficiently, so thanks for all who

responded, but this is definitely not the place for a debate about

God, historical or otherwise.

 

Susan

 

 

 

The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual

into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of

all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each

is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1]

 

 

 

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> but this is definitely not the place for a debate about

> God, historical or otherwise.

 

You are right, and I wasn't even going to respond to Bridgette because that

would be adding even more to this discussion. However, I think whenever

anything pertaining to Christianity comes up on a nonChristian group, we get

silenced; yet other religions (especially secular humanism) are not treated

the same. If something is stated as fact that is not, I think we should

have the right to respond, regardless of the subject. The Bible and

Christianity are not the only off topics that get brought up, but they do

seem to be the only ones that people want to stop. And that is the last

thing I will say pertaining to this.

~Wendy

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