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Sorry everyone. This is not what I had intended. My original post was

directed to ~Christians~ who also eat raw. I was not seeking to hear

from those who think that God is simultaneously Love and Evil (an

impossibility for the two are diametrically opposed) or from those

who do not believe the Bible in the form we have access to it is

accurate enough to use or from those who think everyone's religion is

okay as long as eating raw food is part of the doctrine. I was hoping

to hear from those who already grant that God is only good, is

completely consistent, is infinite, eternal, and unchangeable in His

being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness and truth, and who

believe the Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God given

for man's edification to teach him about all of life, including how

to eat.

 

If there's anyone here other than Grace and Jenny who believes these

things and has something to say, I'd love to hear it. If not, I'll

let you all get back to your regularly scheduled programming. :)

 

Susan

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Susan,

 

I believe in all that you wrote. Although ~ I am still learning about raw food

and Jenny has been especially helpful. Thankyou for saying all that you have.

 

Helen

www.geocities.com/harvesthome03

 

-

Susan

rawfood

Friday, December 12, 2003 10:35 AM

[Raw Food] And thus opens the can of worms...

 

 

Sorry everyone. This is not what I had intended. My original post was

directed to ~Christians~ who also eat raw. I was not seeking to hear

from those who think that God is simultaneously Love and Evil (an

impossibility for the two are diametrically opposed) or from those

who do not believe the Bible in the form we have access to it is

accurate enough to use or from those who think everyone's religion is

okay as long as eating raw food is part of the doctrine. I was hoping

to hear from those who already grant that God is only good, is

completely consistent, is infinite, eternal, and unchangeable in His

being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness and truth, and who

believe the Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God given

for man's edification to teach him about all of life, including how

to eat.

 

If there's anyone here other than Grace and Jenny who believes these

things and has something to say, I'd love to hear it. If not, I'll

let you all get back to your regularly scheduled programming. :)

 

Susan

 

 

 

 

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Susan,

 

I don't think its fair to ask an open question but

only expect people who are in general agreement with

you to answer. If you ask a question on forum with

700 members, you should expect that there will be some

answers that you do not agree with.

 

Rufus

 

--- Susan <susan_wilkinson wrote:

> Sorry everyone. This is not what I had intended. My

> original post was

> directed to ~Christians~ who also eat raw. I was not

> seeking to hear

> from those who think that God is simultaneously Love

> and Evil (an

> impossibility for the two are diametrically opposed)

> or from those

> who do not believe the Bible in the form we have

> access to it is

> accurate enough to use or from those who think

> everyone's religion is

> okay as long as eating raw food is part of the

> doctrine. I was hoping

> to hear from those who already grant that God is

> only good, is

> completely consistent, is infinite, eternal, and

> unchangeable in His

> being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness

> and truth, and who

> believe the Bible is the inerrant and infallible

> Word of God given

> for man's edification to teach him about all of

> life, including how

> to eat.

>

> If there's anyone here other than Grace and Jenny

> who believes these

> things and has something to say, I'd love to hear

> it. If not, I'll

> let you all get back to your regularly scheduled

> programming. :)

>

> Susan

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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are the bible lessons over now?

do not want to lecture what you shoud believe, but i'm getting a

little tired of this gospel hoopla. obviously i am not a fan

of " god " though i believe everyone should live as they want to live

their lives, some of us just don't care fot it. love to read the

raw food post all! have a great day! rik

 

 

rawfood , " Susan " <susan_wilkinson@q...> wrote:

> Sorry everyone. This is not what I had intended. My original post

was

> directed to ~Christians~ who also eat raw. I was not seeking to

hear

> from those who think that God is simultaneously Love and Evil (an

> impossibility for the two are diametrically opposed) or from those

> who do not believe the Bible in the form we have access to it is

> accurate enough to use or from those who think everyone's religion

is

> okay as long as eating raw food is part of the doctrine. I was

hoping

> to hear from those who already grant that God is only good, is

> completely consistent, is infinite, eternal, and unchangeable in

His

> being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness and truth, and

who

> believe the Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God given

> for man's edification to teach him about all of life, including

how

> to eat.

>

> If there's anyone here other than Grace and Jenny who believes

these

> things and has something to say, I'd love to hear it. If not, I'll

> let you all get back to your regularly scheduled programming. :)

>

> Susan

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i do agree. the thing is ,for me atleast, that sexuality, religion,

and politics are the major problem topics. simply because we all

have our won opinions about certain things. different backgrounds,

lifestyles, believes and believe we have the right answers, most of

the time anyways. i am enjoying this group a lot! i am learning

about raw foods and i'm getting more and more excited about it. i

hope you understand my point of view. Raw Foods for Health and

Happiness , love and peace! rik

 

 

> Susan,

>

> I don't think its fair to ask an open question but

> only expect people who are in general agreement with

> you to answer. If you ask a question on forum with

> 700 members, you should expect that there will be some

> answers that you do not agree with.

>

> Rufus

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Hi Rufus,

 

The problem isn't that other people responded--certainly you are

correct that a group of this size will have many different opinions.

The problem seemed to me that there were some who thought this a bad

topic to begin with and so were irritated (or fill in your own

adjective) that I brought the subject up in this forum. In my

defense, I pointed out that my original post was addressed to a small

section of this group IN ORDER that this topic might now get out of

hand.

 

It seems though that, by and large, this groups primary religion IS

raw eating and everything else (including how the Bible is

interpreted and understood) must flow from that starting point.

 

My food does not dictate my religion; my religion dictates my food. I

was just looking for other Christians who might agree with that and

who ARE ALSO raw eaters. I am interested to know how that works. My

intention was not to have a general discussion about religion and I

don't want the responsibility for how this discussion has gone to be

laid on my shoulders since that was not my request. I don't think

such a broad discussion can be productive in this kind of forum so

would not have started it. That's all.

 

Susan

 

rawfood , Rufus Shaw <rufus10_99> wrote:

> Susan,

>

> I don't think its fair to ask an open question but

> only expect people who are in general agreement with

> you to answer. If you ask a question on forum with

> 700 members, you should expect that there will be some

> answers that you do not agree with.

>

> Rufus

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HI Susan

 

 

 

My name is Sheree and I am new to this group I just came in on all the

theological debates but I would like to say I am Christian and I prayed and

asked God to lead me to a food plan that would help me with my weight my health

and the possibility of healing , I was led to raw food I am just starting out.

I have heard that this may cure many ills I already notice a difference in my

skin and I also thought,well I became a hospice nurse 4 years ago after having a

calling 14 years ago and working towards that goal following Gods guidance all

along. I had recently had a thought i wonder if God has led me here 1) for my

own healing and when and as i do this to pass this along to the people i meet in

hospice who knows what is in store but i have found learning about this way of

eating is exciting. How is works so far for me is as i eat all of these things

I think wow this is the way it should be totally natural every thing I eat is

ready and edible without altering it . And I am amazed

at all the wonderful things there are to eat. I am using Julians Raw cookbook

it is great and i have started and excercise plan. and I feel like i am now on

my way to health and healing. God is always here with me always comunicating

with me I just have to keep my mind and eyes open to listening and having an

open mind to what comes my way. Thanks for your open honest question it is

refreshing. Dont worry about the flack it is always that way. Just check

history Jesus was hung Martin luther king shot in the head Ghandi i forgot what

happened to him but it is always that way when God shines through men's egos

rebel. So keep up with the good work

 

Sheree

 

 

 

Susan <susan_wilkinson wrote: Hi Rufus,

 

The problem isn't that other people responded--certainly you are

correct that a group of this size will have many different opinions.

The problem seemed to me that there were some who thought this a bad

topic to begin with and so were irritated (or fill in your own

adjective) that I brought the subject up in this forum. In my

defense, I pointed out that my original post was addressed to a small

section of this group IN ORDER that this topic might now get out of

hand.

 

It seems though that, by and large, this groups primary religion IS

raw eating and everything else (including how the Bible is

interpreted and understood) must flow from that starting point.

 

My food does not dictate my religion; my religion dictates my food. I

was just looking for other Christians who might agree with that and

who ARE ALSO raw eaters. I am interested to know how that works. My

intention was not to have a general discussion about religion and I

don't want the responsibility for how this discussion has gone to be

laid on my shoulders since that was not my request. I don't think

such a broad discussion can be productive in this kind of forum so

would not have started it. That's all.

 

Susan

 

rawfood , Rufus Shaw <rufus10_99> wrote:

> Susan,

>

> I don't think its fair to ask an open question but

> only expect people who are in general agreement with

> you to answer. If you ask a question on forum with

> 700 members, you should expect that there will be some

> answers that you do not agree with.

>

> Rufus

 

 

 

 

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May a I suggest another group who I think

may help you with your inquiry?

 

christianveg/

 

Not all the members of this list are raw or vegan,

but many are; and they know their bibles.

 

regards,

 

tev

 

Susan <susan_wilkinson wrote:

My original post was

directed to ~Christians~ who also eat raw.

 

The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual

into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of

all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each

is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1]

 

 

 

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rawfood , Sheree <powerp818> wrote:

> HI Susan

>Dont worry about the flack it is always that way. Just check

>history Jesus was hung Martin luther king shot in the head Ghandi i

>forgot what happened to him but it is always that way when God

>shines through men's egos rebel. So keep up with the good work

>Sheree

 

Why do Christians always hide behind words like this when they fail

to make their point. I don't think asking a question about raw food

makes her on the level of Jesus, King, or Ghandi. Get real.

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Hi Helen,

 

Thanks so much for this. It is encouraging to know you're here.

 

I'm still learning too and hearing about Jenny's journey to healing,

and how she does it practically, is especially helpful to me too.

But, I make a distinction in my mind between eating raw to get

healthy from an illness (of which I think a strong case can be made

that overweight all by itself can be an illness or at least an

unhealthy condition, depending on the cause) and eating raw as a

philosophical lifestyle.

 

For me to eat raw by conviction it must be based on the ENTIRE Word

of God or else I am trusting in man's wisdom (or my experience or

other's experience, etc.) and not God's wisdom. Now, God gave some

men more wisdom than others in regards to getting healed from

illness. I happen to believe that raw and vegetarian are the best way

to heal from most injuries and illnesses, but I am not sure if I

believe that raw and vegetarian are the best way to live on a daily

basis. How can that be? I had a raw friend ask me, " Well, if it's the

best way to heal, why wouldn't it be the best way to live every day? "

My answer is, " If I have a broken bone I will get an x-ray and have a

bone set. This doesn't mean I should have an x-ray everyday. If I

have a ruptured uterus during labor and must have emergency surgery,

I will have an epidural or general anesthesia because those will be

best for me in those instances. This doesn't mean I'll do those

things on a daily basis. " But that's not my only reasoning...

 

While it's true that raw/vegan living has produced many who are

healthy and look healthy and full of vitality, there are others who

live this way and suffer from deficiencies and who look weak and

sickly and suffer from infertility, etc. Yes, it can be argued that

these people are just " not doing it right " , but then could it not

also be argued that those sick from eating cooked/meat are just " not

doing it right " either? At this point I think so, but I am open to

hearing an Orthodox Christian point of view that is different from

mine. Perhaps I am missing something.

 

Thanks again for writing. May the Lord bless your journey and give

you wisdom to seek His ~whole~ counsel through His Word.

 

Susan

 

rawfood , " Helen " <salvation@o...> wrote:

> Susan,

>

> I believe in all that you wrote. Although ~ I am still learning

about raw food and Jenny has been especially helpful. Thankyou for

saying all that you have.

>

> Helen

> www.geocities.com/harvesthome03

>

> -

> Susan

> rawfood

> Friday, December 12, 2003 10:35 AM

> [Raw Food] And thus opens the can of worms...

>

>

> Sorry everyone. This is not what I had intended. My original post

was

> directed to ~Christians~ who also eat raw. I was not seeking to

hear

> from those who think that God is simultaneously Love and Evil (an

> impossibility for the two are diametrically opposed) or from

those

> who do not believe the Bible in the form we have access to it is

> accurate enough to use or from those who think everyone's

religion is

> okay as long as eating raw food is part of the doctrine. I was

hoping

> to hear from those who already grant that God is only good, is

> completely consistent, is infinite, eternal, and unchangeable in

His

> being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness and truth, and

who

> believe the Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God

given

> for man's edification to teach him about all of life, including

how

> to eat.

>

> If there's anyone here other than Grace and Jenny who believes

these

> things and has something to say, I'd love to hear it. If not,

I'll

> let you all get back to your regularly scheduled programming. :)

>

> Susan

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks, Sheree. :)

 

I'm glad you are finding help and the beginnings of healing. Keep it

up! It sounds like you're on the right track. How wonderful that you

can share (or will) your findings with those in desperate need. My

mother and late husband both died of cancer 8 years ago and I wish I

had known about all this then. It is a great peace to know God is in

control of even the timing of our discoveries.

 

Press on,

Susan

 

rawfood , Sheree <powerp818> wrote:

>

>

>

> HI Susan

>

>

>

> My name is Sheree and I am new to this group I just came in on all

the theological debates but I would like to say I am Christian and I

prayed and asked God to lead me to a food plan that would help me

with my weight my health and the possibility of healing , I was led

to raw food I am just starting out. I have heard that this may cure

many ills I already notice a difference in my skin and I also

thought,well I became a hospice nurse 4 years ago after having a

calling 14 years ago and working towards that goal following Gods

guidance all along. I had recently had a thought i wonder if God has

led me here 1) for my own healing and when and as i do this to pass

this along to the people i meet in hospice who knows what is in store

but i have found learning about this way of eating is exciting. How

is works so far for me is as i eat all of these things I think wow

this is the way it should be totally natural every thing I eat is

ready and edible without altering it . And I am amazed

> at all the wonderful things there are to eat. I am using Julians

Raw cookbook it is great and i have started and excercise plan. and

I feel like i am now on my way to health and healing. God is always

here with me always comunicating with me I just have to keep my mind

and eyes open to listening and having an open mind to what comes my

way. Thanks for your open honest question it is refreshing. Dont

worry about the flack it is always that way. Just check history

Jesus was hung Martin luther king shot in the head Ghandi i forgot

what happened to him but it is always that way when God shines

through men's egos rebel. So keep up with the good work

>

> Sheree

>

>

>

> Susan <susan_wilkinson@q...> wrote: Hi Rufus,

>

> The problem isn't that other people responded--certainly you are

> correct that a group of this size will have many different

opinions.

> The problem seemed to me that there were some who thought this a

bad

> topic to begin with and so were irritated (or fill in your own

> adjective) that I brought the subject up in this forum. In my

> defense, I pointed out that my original post was addressed to a

small

> section of this group IN ORDER that this topic might now get out of

> hand.

>

> It seems though that, by and large, this groups primary religion IS

> raw eating and everything else (including how the Bible is

> interpreted and understood) must flow from that starting point.

>

> My food does not dictate my religion; my religion dictates my food.

I

> was just looking for other Christians who might agree with that and

> who ARE ALSO raw eaters. I am interested to know how that works. My

> intention was not to have a general discussion about religion and I

> don't want the responsibility for how this discussion has gone to

be

> laid on my shoulders since that was not my request. I don't think

> such a broad discussion can be productive in this kind of forum so

> would not have started it. That's all.

>

> Susan

>

> rawfood , Rufus Shaw <rufus10_99> wrote:

> > Susan,

> >

> > I don't think its fair to ask an open question but

> > only expect people who are in general agreement with

> > you to answer. If you ask a question on forum with

> > 700 members, you should expect that there will be some

> > answers that you do not agree with.

> >

> > Rufus

>

>

>

>

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