Guest guest Posted December 11, 2003 Report Share Posted December 11, 2003 Sorry everyone. This is not what I had intended. My original post was directed to ~Christians~ who also eat raw. I was not seeking to hear from those who think that God is simultaneously Love and Evil (an impossibility for the two are diametrically opposed) or from those who do not believe the Bible in the form we have access to it is accurate enough to use or from those who think everyone's religion is okay as long as eating raw food is part of the doctrine. I was hoping to hear from those who already grant that God is only good, is completely consistent, is infinite, eternal, and unchangeable in His being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness and truth, and who believe the Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God given for man's edification to teach him about all of life, including how to eat. If there's anyone here other than Grace and Jenny who believes these things and has something to say, I'd love to hear it. If not, I'll let you all get back to your regularly scheduled programming. Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Susan, I believe in all that you wrote. Although ~ I am still learning about raw food and Jenny has been especially helpful. Thankyou for saying all that you have. Helen www.geocities.com/harvesthome03 - Susan rawfood Friday, December 12, 2003 10:35 AM [Raw Food] And thus opens the can of worms... Sorry everyone. This is not what I had intended. My original post was directed to ~Christians~ who also eat raw. I was not seeking to hear from those who think that God is simultaneously Love and Evil (an impossibility for the two are diametrically opposed) or from those who do not believe the Bible in the form we have access to it is accurate enough to use or from those who think everyone's religion is okay as long as eating raw food is part of the doctrine. I was hoping to hear from those who already grant that God is only good, is completely consistent, is infinite, eternal, and unchangeable in His being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness and truth, and who believe the Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God given for man's edification to teach him about all of life, including how to eat. If there's anyone here other than Grace and Jenny who believes these things and has something to say, I'd love to hear it. If not, I'll let you all get back to your regularly scheduled programming. Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Susan, I don't think its fair to ask an open question but only expect people who are in general agreement with you to answer. If you ask a question on forum with 700 members, you should expect that there will be some answers that you do not agree with. Rufus --- Susan <susan_wilkinson wrote: > Sorry everyone. This is not what I had intended. My > original post was > directed to ~Christians~ who also eat raw. I was not > seeking to hear > from those who think that God is simultaneously Love > and Evil (an > impossibility for the two are diametrically opposed) > or from those > who do not believe the Bible in the form we have > access to it is > accurate enough to use or from those who think > everyone's religion is > okay as long as eating raw food is part of the > doctrine. I was hoping > to hear from those who already grant that God is > only good, is > completely consistent, is infinite, eternal, and > unchangeable in His > being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness > and truth, and who > believe the Bible is the inerrant and infallible > Word of God given > for man's edification to teach him about all of > life, including how > to eat. > > If there's anyone here other than Grace and Jenny > who believes these > things and has something to say, I'd love to hear > it. If not, I'll > let you all get back to your regularly scheduled > programming. > > Susan > > > > New Photos - easier uploading and sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 are the bible lessons over now? do not want to lecture what you shoud believe, but i'm getting a little tired of this gospel hoopla. obviously i am not a fan of " god " though i believe everyone should live as they want to live their lives, some of us just don't care fot it. love to read the raw food post all! have a great day! rik rawfood , " Susan " <susan_wilkinson@q...> wrote: > Sorry everyone. This is not what I had intended. My original post was > directed to ~Christians~ who also eat raw. I was not seeking to hear > from those who think that God is simultaneously Love and Evil (an > impossibility for the two are diametrically opposed) or from those > who do not believe the Bible in the form we have access to it is > accurate enough to use or from those who think everyone's religion is > okay as long as eating raw food is part of the doctrine. I was hoping > to hear from those who already grant that God is only good, is > completely consistent, is infinite, eternal, and unchangeable in His > being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness and truth, and who > believe the Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God given > for man's edification to teach him about all of life, including how > to eat. > > If there's anyone here other than Grace and Jenny who believes these > things and has something to say, I'd love to hear it. If not, I'll > let you all get back to your regularly scheduled programming. > > Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 > If you ask a question on forum with > 700 members, you should expect that there will be some > answers that you do not agree with. > > Rufus - I disagree;) rusty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 i do agree. the thing is ,for me atleast, that sexuality, religion, and politics are the major problem topics. simply because we all have our won opinions about certain things. different backgrounds, lifestyles, believes and believe we have the right answers, most of the time anyways. i am enjoying this group a lot! i am learning about raw foods and i'm getting more and more excited about it. i hope you understand my point of view. Raw Foods for Health and Happiness , love and peace! rik > Susan, > > I don't think its fair to ask an open question but > only expect people who are in general agreement with > you to answer. If you ask a question on forum with > 700 members, you should expect that there will be some > answers that you do not agree with. > > Rufus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Hi Rufus, The problem isn't that other people responded--certainly you are correct that a group of this size will have many different opinions. The problem seemed to me that there were some who thought this a bad topic to begin with and so were irritated (or fill in your own adjective) that I brought the subject up in this forum. In my defense, I pointed out that my original post was addressed to a small section of this group IN ORDER that this topic might now get out of hand. It seems though that, by and large, this groups primary religion IS raw eating and everything else (including how the Bible is interpreted and understood) must flow from that starting point. My food does not dictate my religion; my religion dictates my food. I was just looking for other Christians who might agree with that and who ARE ALSO raw eaters. I am interested to know how that works. My intention was not to have a general discussion about religion and I don't want the responsibility for how this discussion has gone to be laid on my shoulders since that was not my request. I don't think such a broad discussion can be productive in this kind of forum so would not have started it. That's all. Susan rawfood , Rufus Shaw <rufus10_99> wrote: > Susan, > > I don't think its fair to ask an open question but > only expect people who are in general agreement with > you to answer. If you ask a question on forum with > 700 members, you should expect that there will be some > answers that you do not agree with. > > Rufus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 HI Susan My name is Sheree and I am new to this group I just came in on all the theological debates but I would like to say I am Christian and I prayed and asked God to lead me to a food plan that would help me with my weight my health and the possibility of healing , I was led to raw food I am just starting out. I have heard that this may cure many ills I already notice a difference in my skin and I also thought,well I became a hospice nurse 4 years ago after having a calling 14 years ago and working towards that goal following Gods guidance all along. I had recently had a thought i wonder if God has led me here 1) for my own healing and when and as i do this to pass this along to the people i meet in hospice who knows what is in store but i have found learning about this way of eating is exciting. How is works so far for me is as i eat all of these things I think wow this is the way it should be totally natural every thing I eat is ready and edible without altering it . And I am amazed at all the wonderful things there are to eat. I am using Julians Raw cookbook it is great and i have started and excercise plan. and I feel like i am now on my way to health and healing. God is always here with me always comunicating with me I just have to keep my mind and eyes open to listening and having an open mind to what comes my way. Thanks for your open honest question it is refreshing. Dont worry about the flack it is always that way. Just check history Jesus was hung Martin luther king shot in the head Ghandi i forgot what happened to him but it is always that way when God shines through men's egos rebel. So keep up with the good work Sheree Susan <susan_wilkinson wrote: Hi Rufus, The problem isn't that other people responded--certainly you are correct that a group of this size will have many different opinions. The problem seemed to me that there were some who thought this a bad topic to begin with and so were irritated (or fill in your own adjective) that I brought the subject up in this forum. In my defense, I pointed out that my original post was addressed to a small section of this group IN ORDER that this topic might now get out of hand. It seems though that, by and large, this groups primary religion IS raw eating and everything else (including how the Bible is interpreted and understood) must flow from that starting point. My food does not dictate my religion; my religion dictates my food. I was just looking for other Christians who might agree with that and who ARE ALSO raw eaters. I am interested to know how that works. My intention was not to have a general discussion about religion and I don't want the responsibility for how this discussion has gone to be laid on my shoulders since that was not my request. I don't think such a broad discussion can be productive in this kind of forum so would not have started it. That's all. Susan rawfood , Rufus Shaw <rufus10_99> wrote: > Susan, > > I don't think its fair to ask an open question but > only expect people who are in general agreement with > you to answer. If you ask a question on forum with > 700 members, you should expect that there will be some > answers that you do not agree with. > > Rufus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2003 Report Share Posted December 13, 2003 May a I suggest another group who I think may help you with your inquiry? christianveg/ Not all the members of this list are raw or vegan, but many are; and they know their bibles. regards, tev Susan <susan_wilkinson wrote: My original post was directed to ~Christians~ who also eat raw. The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1] New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2003 Report Share Posted December 13, 2003 rawfood , Sheree <powerp818> wrote: > HI Susan >Dont worry about the flack it is always that way. Just check >history Jesus was hung Martin luther king shot in the head Ghandi i >forgot what happened to him but it is always that way when God >shines through men's egos rebel. So keep up with the good work >Sheree Why do Christians always hide behind words like this when they fail to make their point. I don't think asking a question about raw food makes her on the level of Jesus, King, or Ghandi. Get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2003 Report Share Posted December 13, 2003 Hi Helen, Thanks so much for this. It is encouraging to know you're here. I'm still learning too and hearing about Jenny's journey to healing, and how she does it practically, is especially helpful to me too. But, I make a distinction in my mind between eating raw to get healthy from an illness (of which I think a strong case can be made that overweight all by itself can be an illness or at least an unhealthy condition, depending on the cause) and eating raw as a philosophical lifestyle. For me to eat raw by conviction it must be based on the ENTIRE Word of God or else I am trusting in man's wisdom (or my experience or other's experience, etc.) and not God's wisdom. Now, God gave some men more wisdom than others in regards to getting healed from illness. I happen to believe that raw and vegetarian are the best way to heal from most injuries and illnesses, but I am not sure if I believe that raw and vegetarian are the best way to live on a daily basis. How can that be? I had a raw friend ask me, " Well, if it's the best way to heal, why wouldn't it be the best way to live every day? " My answer is, " If I have a broken bone I will get an x-ray and have a bone set. This doesn't mean I should have an x-ray everyday. If I have a ruptured uterus during labor and must have emergency surgery, I will have an epidural or general anesthesia because those will be best for me in those instances. This doesn't mean I'll do those things on a daily basis. " But that's not my only reasoning... While it's true that raw/vegan living has produced many who are healthy and look healthy and full of vitality, there are others who live this way and suffer from deficiencies and who look weak and sickly and suffer from infertility, etc. Yes, it can be argued that these people are just " not doing it right " , but then could it not also be argued that those sick from eating cooked/meat are just " not doing it right " either? At this point I think so, but I am open to hearing an Orthodox Christian point of view that is different from mine. Perhaps I am missing something. Thanks again for writing. May the Lord bless your journey and give you wisdom to seek His ~whole~ counsel through His Word. Susan rawfood , " Helen " <salvation@o...> wrote: > Susan, > > I believe in all that you wrote. Although ~ I am still learning about raw food and Jenny has been especially helpful. Thankyou for saying all that you have. > > Helen > www.geocities.com/harvesthome03 > > - > Susan > rawfood > Friday, December 12, 2003 10:35 AM > [Raw Food] And thus opens the can of worms... > > > Sorry everyone. This is not what I had intended. My original post was > directed to ~Christians~ who also eat raw. I was not seeking to hear > from those who think that God is simultaneously Love and Evil (an > impossibility for the two are diametrically opposed) or from those > who do not believe the Bible in the form we have access to it is > accurate enough to use or from those who think everyone's religion is > okay as long as eating raw food is part of the doctrine. I was hoping > to hear from those who already grant that God is only good, is > completely consistent, is infinite, eternal, and unchangeable in His > being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness and truth, and who > believe the Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God given > for man's edification to teach him about all of life, including how > to eat. > > If there's anyone here other than Grace and Jenny who believes these > things and has something to say, I'd love to hear it. If not, I'll > let you all get back to your regularly scheduled programming. > > Susan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2003 Report Share Posted December 13, 2003 Thanks, Sheree. I'm glad you are finding help and the beginnings of healing. Keep it up! It sounds like you're on the right track. How wonderful that you can share (or will) your findings with those in desperate need. My mother and late husband both died of cancer 8 years ago and I wish I had known about all this then. It is a great peace to know God is in control of even the timing of our discoveries. Press on, Susan rawfood , Sheree <powerp818> wrote: > > > > HI Susan > > > > My name is Sheree and I am new to this group I just came in on all the theological debates but I would like to say I am Christian and I prayed and asked God to lead me to a food plan that would help me with my weight my health and the possibility of healing , I was led to raw food I am just starting out. I have heard that this may cure many ills I already notice a difference in my skin and I also thought,well I became a hospice nurse 4 years ago after having a calling 14 years ago and working towards that goal following Gods guidance all along. I had recently had a thought i wonder if God has led me here 1) for my own healing and when and as i do this to pass this along to the people i meet in hospice who knows what is in store but i have found learning about this way of eating is exciting. How is works so far for me is as i eat all of these things I think wow this is the way it should be totally natural every thing I eat is ready and edible without altering it . And I am amazed > at all the wonderful things there are to eat. I am using Julians Raw cookbook it is great and i have started and excercise plan. and I feel like i am now on my way to health and healing. God is always here with me always comunicating with me I just have to keep my mind and eyes open to listening and having an open mind to what comes my way. Thanks for your open honest question it is refreshing. Dont worry about the flack it is always that way. Just check history Jesus was hung Martin luther king shot in the head Ghandi i forgot what happened to him but it is always that way when God shines through men's egos rebel. So keep up with the good work > > Sheree > > > > Susan <susan_wilkinson@q...> wrote: Hi Rufus, > > The problem isn't that other people responded--certainly you are > correct that a group of this size will have many different opinions. > The problem seemed to me that there were some who thought this a bad > topic to begin with and so were irritated (or fill in your own > adjective) that I brought the subject up in this forum. In my > defense, I pointed out that my original post was addressed to a small > section of this group IN ORDER that this topic might now get out of > hand. > > It seems though that, by and large, this groups primary religion IS > raw eating and everything else (including how the Bible is > interpreted and understood) must flow from that starting point. > > My food does not dictate my religion; my religion dictates my food. I > was just looking for other Christians who might agree with that and > who ARE ALSO raw eaters. I am interested to know how that works. My > intention was not to have a general discussion about religion and I > don't want the responsibility for how this discussion has gone to be > laid on my shoulders since that was not my request. I don't think > such a broad discussion can be productive in this kind of forum so > would not have started it. That's all. > > Susan > > rawfood , Rufus Shaw <rufus10_99> wrote: > > Susan, > > > > I don't think its fair to ask an open question but > > only expect people who are in general agreement with > > you to answer. If you ask a question on forum with > > 700 members, you should expect that there will be some > > answers that you do not agree with. > > > > Rufus > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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