Hey Peter.....

[Guest guest]

..... you're claiming with no doubt that a " raw food

diet is the healthiest diet " , right?? So that means

you must have some proof- so show me.... I don't wanna

see Pottenger cat studies, " 'cause David Wolfe said

so " , links to Herbert Shelton's books, etc.. I wanna

see REAL results!! Show me pictures of yourself. I

constantly HEAR a lot of TALK and read crap on PAPER

about how it is sooo superior in regards to health, so

now I just figured that it's time that I SEE in

REALITY what is sooo different about it.

 

If raw food is the key to " paradise health " , then I

should expect to see one hell of a body, right?? Lean,

robust, athletic and vascular with bulging muscles,

thick shiny hair, a glowing complexion, tight smooth

skin, clear glowing eyes, pearly white teeth- pretty

much a body that would stand out and make the " Men's

Health " cover models envious I would assume.

 

Now I've seen some pics of some others that claim the

same thing as you, and I was a little disappointed to

say the least- pale, scrawny and frail, thin hair, and

just " sickly " lookiing in general, but they assured me

that it was just part of their " detox " , so I reserved

judgement even though some of them were still

" detoxin' " after 5 years. But I've gotta good feelin'

about ya' Peter!! I mean someone out their livin' this

lifestyles' gotta be through " detoxin' " by now and I

think you're the one- the one that can make me finally

believe by seeing it- seeing something " different " ,

something that " stands out from the crowd. " Thanks,

and I look forward to being blown away by your

results!!!! Oh, and if you've gotten a physical lately

I sure would be interested in seeing those " off the

chart " numbers too!!!

 

Thanks,

Eric

 

 

 

 

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Eric,

 

Are you not here to try to live the raw lifestyle? I just started

to eat more raw veggies and cut out the meat from my life and it's

not bad. My sinuses cleared up, and when I eat junk food like

potato chips (my weakness) I feel tired for hours.

 

Isn't the problem with people who are looking pale that they are

missing some B12 or something like that? This is the main concern

from friends and family when it comes to going vegan, raw isn't as

much the problem as vegan is. I said it's because they are lacking

some vitamins but that I'm not going to do it unless I can be sure I

am getting them all.

 

Is this something the Raw Secrets book will tell me? One more

thought: You know how people with high blood pressure have a

pink/reddish tint to them? Is it possible that we lose red/pink

tint being blood pressure might go down with a healthy diet like

this? Just wondering what others' thoughts are on this.

 

Mel

 

rawfood , Eric Harrison <em_harrison>

wrote:

Thanks,

> and I look forward to being blown away by your

> results!!!! Oh, and if you've gotten a physical lately

> I sure would be interested in seeing those " off the

> chart " numbers too!!!

[Guest guest]

All,

This guy Eric sent me a long winded e-mail by accident

I think. He was a weightlifter who went raw, and

after a couple of months he went on a 31 day fast.

Surprise, surprise he felt like crap, and almost died.

He lost a lot of weight, a lot of his hair, and is

now quite angry about it.

 

As far as healthy looking raw fooders, there are tons

of em, if you choose to look.

 

Erik,

I hope your health is back on track. I'm sorry that

you had bad luck with the raw food diet, but there is

no need to seek revenge on this forum.

 

Rufus

 

 

 

--- Eric Harrison <em_harrison wrote:

> .... you're claiming with no doubt that a " raw food

> diet is the healthiest diet " , right?? So that means

> you must have some proof- so show me.... I don't

> wanna

> see Pottenger cat studies, " 'cause David Wolfe said

> so " , links to Herbert Shelton's books, etc.. I wanna

> see REAL results!! Show me pictures of yourself. I

> constantly HEAR a lot of TALK and read crap on PAPER

> about how it is sooo superior in regards to health,

> so

> now I just figured that it's time that I SEE in

> REALITY what is sooo different about it.

>

> If raw food is the key to " paradise health " , then I

> should expect to see one hell of a body, right??

> Lean,

> robust, athletic and vascular with bulging muscles,

> thick shiny hair, a glowing complexion, tight smooth

> skin, clear glowing eyes, pearly white teeth- pretty

> much a body that would stand out and make the " Men's

> Health " cover models envious I would assume.

>

> Now I've seen some pics of some others that claim

> the

> same thing as you, and I was a little disappointed

> to

> say the least- pale, scrawny and frail, thin hair,

> and

> just " sickly " lookiing in general, but they assured

> me

> that it was just part of their " detox " , so I

> reserved

> judgement even though some of them were still

> " detoxin' " after 5 years. But I've gotta good

> feelin'

> about ya' Peter!! I mean someone out their livin'

> this

> lifestyles' gotta be through " detoxin' " by now and I

> think you're the one- the one that can make me

> finally

> believe by seeing it- seeing something " different " ,

> something that " stands out from the crowd. " Thanks,

> and I look forward to being blown away by your

> results!!!! Oh, and if you've gotten a physical

> lately

> I sure would be interested in seeing those " off the

> chart " numbers too!!!

>

> Thanks,

> Eric

>

>

>

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Eric,

 

Sorry to disappoint you. Before and after pictures would not tell you much.

 

I lead the life of a bon viveur until the age of 54. I ate and drank and

smoked enormously from the age of 18. For long period in my life I ate five

course meals three times a day. On a few occasions I would have an early

lunch then meet someone and have a second lunch and then return home to find

a third one all ready.

 

I neither became fat nor alcohol dependent. I tried stopping nicotine

without success many times. I took no other hard or soft drugs, save

caffeine of which I drank about 20 cups a day. I lived a stressful, nerve

driven, life but my faculties were declining. The energy and memory levels

were weakening. I walked as far as the car. Life was a sip sip all day

long getting a " fix " of coffee, cigarette, alcohol, food, and other stimuli

including afternoon naps, to keep me focussed.

 

One day, when I felt pain in my legs from a short walk, I went to a doctor

who sent me to a specialist who gave me the news that I have Buergers

Disease. He said I was far too late for a turn around. Another Doctor told

me that I had the wrong disease - almost anything would be easier to treat

than Buergers. It is a form of heart disease. I think that long ago in the

forum that I mentioned that the Cardio specialist said he would be with me

all the way as he cut my toes, fingers, feet, ankles, legs, arms and so

forth off before heart failure nailed me in a box. This is what happens to

87% of suffers of Buergers as I understand. At that time I gave myself 2

more uncomfortable years to live. I looked at my 11 year old son and felt

emotions that I cannot express.

 

I checked the internet and the message was clear. I had to change my

lifestyle. I have and 5 years later I am alive with nothing cut off and

this progressive degenerative disease is in retreat. I can nearly jog to the

point where I get a second wind, whereas before I felt pain in walking 50

yards. I could not even start breathing fast from exercise. An Internet site

told me that I could expect an improvement of 30% in walking distance in an

hour and another a 50% improvement. I can walk 300% and more of that marker

that I laid down then. The medics gave me a whole pile of drugs but I phased

them all out. The medics now say that I do not need their potions. The

surgery that was strongly recommended is now regarded as not necessary.

However I have blood tests and take the odd supplement when indicated.

Right now I have the problem of too much iron in the blood.

 

I never had all the problems of craving and lapsing and my energy levels

have shot up. I do not have anabolic muscles to show you which normally

store fat. I have lost about a stone (14lbs) and only weigh 8 stone 4 lbs

for a height of 5'10 " . I think that if I did exercises with the upper body I

would gain weight.

 

Pictures will show you little. People tell me that I look much younger than

I am but that may not be the case.

 

Now I am a much calmer person with much better health.

 

If you want to speak to me and see me you can on Messenger. I have a

web camera. My ID is peterpfgardiner

 

On the down side, if I eat a potato crisp which happened twice, within 20

minutes I sneezed!

 

You have my sympathy about reading crap. I make no claims to going to great

spiritual health, nor do I have any delusions about being a super being and

nor do I seek such a path. However I do feel a great deal fitter than I

have ever been in my life since my teens when I was successful in school

sport. My mental attitude is a whole lot better as well. I am in harmony

now; before I was a wreck.

 

Hope this does not disappoint too much.

 

Peter

 

 

Eric Harrison [em_harrison]

31 January 2004 14:34

rawfood

[Raw Food] Hey Peter.....

 

 

 

..... you're claiming with no doubt that a " raw food

diet is the healthiest diet " , right?? So that means

you must have some proof- so show me.... I don't wanna

see Pottenger cat studies, " 'cause David Wolfe said

so " , links to Herbert Shelton's books, etc.. I wanna

see REAL results!! Show me pictures of yourself. I

constantly HEAR a lot of TALK and read crap on PAPER

about how it is sooo superior in regards to health, so

now I just figured that it's time that I SEE in

REALITY what is sooo different about it.

 

If raw food is the key to " paradise health " , then I

should expect to see one hell of a body, right?? Lean,

robust, athletic and vascular with bulging muscles,

thick shiny hair, a glowing complexion, tight smooth

skin, clear glowing eyes, pearly white teeth- pretty

much a body that would stand out and make the " Men's

Health " cover models envious I would assume.

 

Now I've seen some pics of some others that claim the

same thing as you, and I was a little disappointed to

say the least- pale, scrawny and frail, thin hair, and

just " sickly " lookiing in general, but they assured me

that it was just part of their " detox " , so I reserved

judgement even though some of them were still

" detoxin' " after 5 years. But I've gotta good feelin'

about ya' Peter!! I mean someone out their livin' this lifestyles' gotta be

through " detoxin' " by now and I think you're the one- the one that can make

me finally believe by seeing it- seeing something " different " , something

that " stands out from the crowd. " Thanks, and I look forward to being blown

away by your results!!!! Oh, and if you've gotten a physical lately I sure

would be interested in seeing those " off the chart " numbers too!!!

 

Thanks,

Eric

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Rufus,

 

I can see that a weight lifter would feel crap on a raw diet. To build up

those overdeveloped muscles such as Arnie had you need to eat and incredible

amount of food which will get dumped around the body. After I went on a long

fast, I felt my body rebuild on a different metabolism and was both stronger

and fitter.

 

Peter

 

 

Rufus Shaw [rufus10_99]

31 January 2004 19:30

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Hey Peter.....

 

 

 

All,

This guy Eric sent me a long winded e-mail by accident

I think. He was a weightlifter who went raw, and

after a couple of months he went on a 31 day fast.

Surprise, surprise he felt like crap, and almost died.

He lost a lot of weight, a lot of his hair, and is

now quite angry about it.

 

As far as healthy looking raw fooders, there are tons

of em, if you choose to look.

 

Erik,

I hope your health is back on track. I'm sorry that

you had bad luck with the raw food diet, but there is

no need to seek revenge on this forum.

 

Rufus

 

 

 

--- Eric Harrison <em_harrison wrote:

> .... you're claiming with no doubt that a " raw food

> diet is the healthiest diet " , right?? So that means

> you must have some proof- so show me.... I don't

> wanna

> see Pottenger cat studies, " 'cause David Wolfe said

> so " , links to Herbert Shelton's books, etc.. I wanna

> see REAL results!! Show me pictures of yourself. I

> constantly HEAR a lot of TALK and read crap on PAPER

> about how it is sooo superior in regards to health,

> so

> now I just figured that it's time that I SEE in

> REALITY what is sooo different about it.

>

> If raw food is the key to " paradise health " , then I

> should expect to see one hell of a body, right??

> Lean,

> robust, athletic and vascular with bulging muscles,

> thick shiny hair, a glowing complexion, tight smooth

> skin, clear glowing eyes, pearly white teeth- pretty

> much a body that would stand out and make the " Men's

> Health " cover models envious I would assume.

>

> Now I've seen some pics of some others that claim

> the

> same thing as you, and I was a little disappointed

> to

> say the least- pale, scrawny and frail, thin hair,

> and

> just " sickly " lookiing in general, but they assured

> me

> that it was just part of their " detox " , so I

> reserved

> judgement even though some of them were still

> " detoxin' " after 5 years. But I've gotta good

> feelin'

> about ya' Peter!! I mean someone out their livin'

> this

> lifestyles' gotta be through " detoxin' " by now and I

> think you're the one- the one that can make me

> finally

> believe by seeing it- seeing something " different " ,

> something that " stands out from the crowd. " Thanks,

> and I look forward to being blown away by your

> results!!!! Oh, and if you've gotten a physical

> lately

> I sure would be interested in seeing those " off the

> chart " numbers too!!!

>

> Thanks,

> Eric

>

>

>

>

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There are some decent before and after pictures here:

 

 

http://www.shazzie.com/

 

 

Eric Harrison <em_harrison wrote:

..... you're claiming with no doubt that a " raw food

diet is the healthiest diet " , right?? So that means

you must have some proof- so show me.... I don't wanna

see Pottenger cat studies, " 'cause David Wolfe said

so " , links to Herbert Shelton's books, etc.. I wanna

see REAL results!! Show me pictures of yourself. I

constantly HEAR a lot of TALK and read crap on PAPER

about how it is sooo superior in regards to health, so

now I just figured that it's time that I SEE in

REALITY what is sooo different about it.

 

If raw food is the key to " paradise health " , then I

should expect to see one hell of a body, right?? Lean,

robust, athletic and vascular with bulging muscles,

thick shiny hair, a glowing complexion, tight smooth

skin, clear glowing eyes, pearly white teeth- pretty

much a body that would stand out and make the " Men's

Health " cover models envious I would assume.

 

Now I've seen some pics of some others that claim the

same thing as you, and I was a little disappointed to

say the least- pale, scrawny and frail, thin hair, and

just " sickly " lookiing in general, but they assured me

that it was just part of their " detox " , so I reserved

judgement even though some of them were still

" detoxin' " after 5 years. But I've gotta good feelin'

about ya' Peter!! I mean someone out their livin' this

lifestyles' gotta be through " detoxin' " by now and I

think you're the one- the one that can make me finally

believe by seeing it- seeing something " different " ,

something that " stands out from the crowd. " Thanks,

and I look forward to being blown away by your

results!!!! Oh, and if you've gotten a physical lately

I sure would be interested in seeing those " off the

chart " numbers too!!!

 

Thanks,

Eric

 

 

 

 

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