Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Hi all, I don't post much... and I don't manage to read all the messages either, as I have limited time in a internet cafe. so forgive me if I ask a question that has been ansered recently! I was wondering if anyone knows of a '12 steps' type of group on the net. does such a thing exist? if it doesn't would anyone be interested if I started one? I am coming from the angle of a feeling therapy; I started therapy some years back, and have been trying to become raw much more recently, in the last 2 or 3 years. I am one of the unlucky ones who has a big addiction to cooked foods. I have found it hard over the last couple of years, and haven't managed to stick to it for any length of time. I find that after a week or so of raw eating, I am overwhelmed by a feeling of suicidal despair. I know this is part of an emotional detox, but when I am in it, it feels like it will go on forever, and I become afraid for my life. So I eat some cooked food to push that feeling away. I never feel 'good' on cooked foods tho, and the process goes round again. I guess John Bradshaw might call it a 'shame spiral', well, it's a pain spiral too I think. I feel I need confirmation that raw foods are important. No- one else that I know is on the same path, (in fact my friends are mostly carnivores, as I used to be) and they think that vegan is enough, or 75% raw is enough... maybe... in my heart, I feel that only 100% raw eating is 100% healthy. I don't know. ok, that's all- appreciate any feedback you's care to give! Vlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Dear Vlad Hygeia Halfmoon mention in her book " primalmothering in a modern world " a book called something like " cooked food anonymous " wich should contain 12 steps to a raw life I do not remember if she wrote it herself or somone else did, maybe somebody in here knows? I might be interested in joining a support group for a while. Hope you can use it. Lots of love and light From Signer _______________________ OFiR Spil - Vind 1.000 vis af kroner! Besøg http://spil.ofir.dk OFiR Kontakt - Find din nye ven el. partner på http://kontakt.ofir.dk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 After going raw for a while we get a craving for our old stand-by's (cooked food). Hopefully you have gone raw long enough so that your body will react to the cooked food. Over christmas my Dad sent me some frozen vegetables as a present. I kind of felt guilty not eating them so I indulged a little. My reaction was in the form of a cold and stuffed up feeling for 2 weeks. This is the lesson we recieve. If you don't go raw long enough, then you might not get as sick a feeling. I read in one of my books that if you go Raw for 3 months you will never go back to your old habits. rawfood , " jaggerbog " <jaggerbog> wrote: > > > Hi all, > I don't post much... and I don't manage to read all the > messages either, as I have limited time in a internet cafe. so > forgive me if I ask a question that has been ansered recently! > I was wondering if anyone knows of a '12 steps' type of group > on the net. does such a thing exist? if it doesn't would anyone be > interested if I started one? > I am coming from the angle of a feeling therapy; I started > therapy some years back, and have been trying to become raw much > more recently, in the last 2 or 3 years. I am one of the unlucky > ones who has a big addiction to cooked foods. I have found it hard > over the last couple of years, and haven't managed to stick to it > for any length of time. > I find that after a week or so of raw eating, I am overwhelmed > by a feeling of suicidal despair. I know this is part of an > emotional detox, but when I am in it, it feels like it will go on > forever, and I become afraid for my life. So I eat some cooked food > to push that feeling away. > I never feel 'good' on cooked foods tho, and the process > goes round again. I guess John Bradshaw might call it a 'shame > spiral', well, it's a pain spiral too I think. > I feel I need confirmation that raw foods are important. No- > one else that I know is on the same path, (in fact my friends are > mostly carnivores, as I used to be) and they think that vegan is > enough, or 75% raw is enough... maybe... in my heart, I feel that > only 100% raw eating is 100% healthy. I don't know. > ok, that's all- appreciate any feedback you's care to give! > Vlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 I eat about 80% raw. It's just what I can manage without it being the sole focus of my life. My feeling is: if 100% raw makes you miserable, or feels too hard to achieve, give yourself permission to be less than " perfect. " I know others don't share that view. It's a personal decision, in the end. Best Wishes, Margie On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, jaggerbog wrote: > > > Hi all, > I don't post much... and I don't manage to read all the > messages either, as I have limited time in a internet cafe. so > forgive me if I ask a question that has been ansered recently! > I was wondering if anyone knows of a '12 steps' type of group > on the net. does such a thing exist? if it doesn't would anyone be > interested if I started one? > I am coming from the angle of a feeling therapy; I started > therapy some years back, and have been trying to become raw much > more recently, in the last 2 or 3 years. I am one of the unlucky > ones who has a big addiction to cooked foods. I have found it hard > over the last couple of years, and haven't managed to stick to it > for any length of time. > I find that after a week or so of raw eating, I am overwhelmed > by a feeling of suicidal despair. I know this is part of an > emotional detox, but when I am in it, it feels like it will go on > forever, and I become afraid for my life. So I eat some cooked food > to push that feeling away. > I never feel 'good' on cooked foods tho, and the process > goes round again. I guess John Bradshaw might call it a 'shame > spiral', well, it's a pain spiral too I think. > I feel I need confirmation that raw foods are important. No- > one else that I know is on the same path, (in fact my friends are > mostly carnivores, as I used to be) and they think that vegan is > enough, or 75% raw is enough... maybe... in my heart, I feel that > only 100% raw eating is 100% healthy. I don't know. > ok, that's all- appreciate any feedback you's care to give! > Vlad > > > > -- Marjorie Roswell 3443 Guilford Terrace Baltimore, MD 21218 mroswell 410-467-3727 Newest Site: rawfoodwiki.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Dear Vlad, I hope that you get this. My son and I have the same problem. Around and around it goes. I haven't found anything yet, but there might be something somewhere but haven't as yet found it. But we are down to eating meat and raw the rest of the time. So we just keep on the same way. Love to hear from you, MaryG. http://greetings..au - Greetings Send your love online with Greetings - FREE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Victoria Boutenko wrote a book called '12 Steps to Raw Food'. If interested, you can get this book from her website www.rawfamily.com , or any of the bookstores that are online. -Vickie >signe beske <signebeske > > Hygeia Halfmoon mention in her book " primalmothering in a modern world " a >book called something like " cooked food anonymous " wich should contain 12 >steps to a raw life I do not remember if she wrote it herself or somone >else >did, maybe somebody in here knows? > _______________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Hi Vlad, There is a called '12stepstoraw'. It is based on Victoria Boutenko's book of the same name. Emotional detoxing can be really hard to go through. If you are getting suicidal while going through it, I might suggest finding a support group of some sort to help you through it. Another thing that you might try is to ramp up to eating 100% raw. Maybe try 50% for a few weeks, then 60% for a few weeks, etc. Maybe going 100% right away is too much for what your body can handle. Everyone is different. Everyone can do things at different paces. Be kind to yourself while you transition to a raw diet. Good luck. -Vickie _______________ High-speed users—be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us & page=byoa/prem & ST=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 I would be interestsed in a 12 step raw food support group. Sheree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Is that still an active group? My membership has been pending for a loooong time there. peace nikki Hi Vlad, There is a called '12stepstoraw'. It is based on Victoria Boutenko's book of the same name. _______________ High-speed users—be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us & page=byoa/prem & ST=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 I am curiuos to know if you have mercury fillings. I had them when I first went raw, but I could't handle the detox(mercury entering my blood stream). I had to wait until I had my fillings replaced before I could go 100% raw. rawfood , Sheree <powerp818> wrote: > I would be interestsed in a 12 step raw food support group. > > Sheree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Thanks everybody for your advice and messages. I am going to check out the new '12 step' group. thanks to everyone who posted links. I am going to check them all, except the first which sounds like it's become inactive. yeah, suicidal feelings are very hard to handle. Right now I have been raw for 2 days, and I don't feel bad now, but I know it's in the post. I am eating raw, but still allowing myself coffee. Heck, I gave up smoking 4 weeks ago, and I am trying to stagger giving up my act- outs. I do have a therapist; he is a meat-eater, and so he doesn't really encourage me to go raw... hmmmm! potted history for me- I read 'fit for life' which persuaded me to go vegan, on health grounds. a week later I met my first raw fooder- I remember him saying something like 'raw foods is the healthiest diet, and of course the healthiest of all is fruitarian'. something just clicked for me, and I knew it was true. But it has been tough. For me it's like the power of a heroin addiction- I know that eating raw is neccessary, but my body wants the 'comfort' of cooked and processed food... A while back I found out about the Essenes, from the writings of Gabriel Cousens. I discovered the website www.essene.com where there are many interesting Essene writings. I was an atheist when I discovered raw foodism, but the Essene writings are helping me to develop the spiritual side of my diet. I guess I would like to be able to be 75% raw, and have some cooked food as a 'treat', but I have found it doesn't work for me. Like an alcoholic can't have 'just one drink', I can't have 'just one vegetable samosa'! It sets off the whole cycle of bingeing. votefornader- you mentioned reactions to cooked food. I had a similar experience last week- I went raw for a seven days and then ate some spicy curry and rice. The next morning I felt literally hung- over, and my guts felt really sick all day. I guess it's experiences like this that bring it home to me the unhealthiness of cooked versus raw. that's why I know I have to keep trying, even tho it's tough. thank you all for your encouragement. Vlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 You might read why this person went to the raw. http://www.alivemagazine.com/home/index.php?page_type=article & topic_id=13642 & sit\ e_id=12 & article_id=3097 & go_id=2 & take_id=6 jaggerbog <jaggerbog wrote: Hi all, I don't post much... and I don't manage to read all the messages either, as I have limited time in a internet cafe. so forgive me if I ask a question that has been ansered recently! I was wondering if anyone knows of a '12 steps' type of group on the net. does such a thing exist? if it doesn't would anyone be interested if I started one? I am coming from the angle of a feeling therapy; I started therapy some years back, and have been trying to become raw much more recently, in the last 2 or 3 years. I am one of the unlucky ones who has a big addiction to cooked foods. I have found it hard over the last couple of years, and haven't managed to stick to it for any length of time. I find that after a week or so of raw eating, I am overwhelmed by a feeling of suicidal despair. I know this is part of an emotional detox, but when I am in it, it feels like it will go on forever, and I become afraid for my life. So I eat some cooked food to push that feeling away. I never feel 'good' on cooked foods tho, and the process goes round again. I guess John Bradshaw might call it a 'shame spiral', well, it's a pain spiral too I think. I feel I need confirmation that raw foods are important. No- one else that I know is on the same path, (in fact my friends are mostly carnivores, as I used to be) and they think that vegan is enough, or 75% raw is enough... maybe... in my heart, I feel that only 100% raw eating is 100% healthy. I don't know. ok, that's all- appreciate any feedback you's care to give! Vlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 Sorry about this, it came thru late and i have already joined the active group ya'll posted. Thanks ) peace nikki Is that still an active group? My membership has been pending for a loooong time there. peace nikki --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release 2/3/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 Sheree Please tell me more. I have mercury fillings galore and have be 100% raw for ages. What symptoms were lifted for example? Peter votefornader9 [votefornader9] 06 February 2004 06:02 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] 12 steps to raw foods I am curiuos to know if you have mercury fillings. I had them when I first went raw, but I could't handle the detox(mercury entering my blood stream). I had to wait until I had my fillings replaced before I could go 100% raw. rawfood , Sheree <powerp818> wrote: > I would be interestsed in a 12 step raw food support group. > > Sheree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 Eating plenty of green leaves and taking exercise is the key to depression and lapsing. A good hour of walking every day should be a minimum. Peter Howard Huey [huey_htm] 06 February 2004 23:19 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] 12 steps to raw foods You might read why this person went to the raw. http://www.alivemagazine.com/home/index.php?page_type=article & topic_id=13642 & site_id=12 & article_id=3097 & go_id=2 & take_id=6 jaggerbog <jaggerbog wrote: Hi all, I don't post much... and I don't manage to read all the messages either, as I have limited time in a internet cafe. so forgive me if I ask a question that has been ansered recently! I was wondering if anyone knows of a '12 steps' type of group on the net. does such a thing exist? if it doesn't would anyone be interested if I started one? I am coming from the angle of a feeling therapy; I started therapy some years back, and have been trying to become raw much more recently, in the last 2 or 3 years. I am one of the unlucky ones who has a big addiction to cooked foods. I have found it hard over the last couple of years, and haven't managed to stick to it for any length of time. I find that after a week or so of raw eating, I am overwhelmed by a feeling of suicidal despair. I know this is part of an emotional detox, but when I am in it, it feels like it will go on forever, and I become afraid for my life. So I eat some cooked food to push that feeling away. I never feel 'good' on cooked foods tho, and the process goes round again. I guess John Bradshaw might call it a 'shame spiral', well, it's a pain spiral too I think. I feel I need confirmation that raw foods are important. No- one else that I know is on the same path, (in fact my friends are mostly carnivores, as I used to be) and they think that vegan is enough, or 75% raw is enough... maybe... in my heart, I feel that only 100% raw eating is 100% healthy. I don't know. ok, that's all- appreciate any feedback you's care to give! Vlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 Peter I am not sure what happened on here but it was not me who wrote about fillings I have plenty of them, and I eat raw. Sorry Sheree Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote: Sheree Please tell me more. I have mercury fillings galore and have be 100% raw for ages. What symptoms were lifted for example? Peter votefornader9 [votefornader9] 06 February 2004 06:02 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] 12 steps to raw foods I am curiuos to know if you have mercury fillings. I had them when I first went raw, but I could't handle the detox(mercury entering my blood stream). I had to wait until I had my fillings replaced before I could go 100% raw. rawfood , Sheree <powerp818> wrote: > I would be interestsed in a 12 step raw food support group. > > Sheree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 > On the emotional side of things I really do recommend Emotional Freedom > Technique www.emofree.com thanks Sean, I am always interested to read about healing techniques. I am reading thru this website now. cheers, Vlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 > Eating plenty of green leaves and taking exercise is the key to depression > and lapsing. A good hour of walking every day should be a minimum. thankyou Peter for your advice. I do walk a lot actually- some days for half an hour, others for many hours. For myself, I find it helps but is not a cure. I am trying to incorporate more raw greens into my raw diet. peace to you Vlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 > On the emotional side of things I really do recommend Emotional Freedom > Technique www.emofree.com thanks Sean, I am always interested to read about healing techniques. I am reading thru this website now. cheers, Vlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Some magazines suggest you ask your dentist on mercury free filling. Sheree <powerp818 wrote:Peter I am not sure what happened on here but it was not me who wrote about fillings I have plenty of them, and I eat raw. Sorry Sheree Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote: Sheree Please tell me more. I have mercury fillings galore and have be 100% raw for ages. What symptoms were lifted for example? Peter votefornader9 [votefornader9] 06 February 2004 06:02 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] 12 steps to raw foods I am curiuos to know if you have mercury fillings. I had them when I first went raw, but I could't handle the detox(mercury entering my blood stream). I had to wait until I had my fillings replaced before I could go 100% raw. rawfood , Sheree <powerp818> wrote: > I would be interestsed in a 12 step raw food support group. > > Sheree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 I still brush twice a day generally but it doesn't feel as compulsive as when I was not eating raw. I can feel my teeth and all parts of my body heal by eating raw. I never expect to get any cavities again for one thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 It seems that [votefornader9] was the person who has the mercury experience. Will send a message there. Peter Howard Huey [huey_htm] 09 February 2004 00:36 rawfood RE: [Raw Food] 12 steps to raw foods Some magazines suggest you ask your dentist on mercury free filling. Sheree <powerp818 wrote:Peter I am not sure what happened on here but it was not me who wrote about fillings I have plenty of them, and I eat raw. Sorry Sheree Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote: Sheree Please tell me more. I have mercury fillings galore and have be 100% raw for ages. What symptoms were lifted for example? Peter votefornader9 [votefornader9] 06 February 2004 06:02 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] 12 steps to raw foods I am curiuos to know if you have mercury fillings. I had them when I first went raw, but I could't handle the detox(mercury entering my blood stream). I had to wait until I had my fillings replaced before I could go 100% raw. rawfood , Sheree <powerp818> wrote: > I would be interestsed in a 12 step raw food support group. > > Sheree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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