Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Your Juicer Should Have Low Speeds to Protect Your VegetablesInexpensive juicers are centrifugal and spin at very high speeds to do their juicing. Common masticating and centrifugal juicers and blenders operate at high speed, anywhere from 1,000 to 24,000 RPM. The high speeds heat up the juice and cause damage to some of the perishable nutrients in the vegetables.The Vitamixer is probably the worst juicer in this category. It is advertised as as juicer but it is really a high powered blender and can actually grind grains. The blades spin around at over 240 miles per hour. This high speed heats up the juice and damages the perishable nutrients. http://www.mercola.com/article/juicer.htm Hi Kim, Can you give me the URL of the source of your quote to Dr. Mercola, saying the Vitamix kills nutrients? I search his site and couldn't find anything. If you use the Vitamix to make soup and you warm the water high than 105 to 118 degrees then I might believe what he is saying. By the way for your info if you take room temperature water and blend it for three minutes the temperature of the water will be about 105.5 degrees. Dale I posted it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Dale, I'm new to this..would you choice the VitaMixer over the Omega 8002? To me the VitaMixer seems like it would be so much easier. We'd ordered my boss a Omega 8002 which UPS didn't deliver it. I was going try his Omega. Now I'm on my own to get whatever. Which model would you get? Kim Hi Kim, You send me an email and stated: " Your Juicer Should Have Low Speeds to Protect Your Vegetables juicers are centrifugal and spin at very high speeds to do their juicing. Common masticating and centrifugal juicers and blenders operate at high speed, anywhere from 1,000 to 24,000 RPM. The high speeds heat up the juice and cause damage to some of the perishable nutrients in the vegetables.The Vitamixer is probably the worst juicer in this category. It is advertised as juicer but it is really a high powered blender and can actually grind grains. The blades spin around at over 240 miles per hour. This high speed heats up the juice and damages the perishable nutrients. " My Reply I know you have heard of radiators, when you use a Vit-a-Mix you usually have two or three cups of water and that keeps whatever is being blended cool. If my science is correct, the highest temperature any molecule in a mix is the temperature of the mix. I am not a rocket scientist, so I hope some one will set me straight if I'm wrong. I juice fruit in the morning and I always mix three cups of water to one cup of ice to the mix. So the fruit is never warm in the Vit-a- mix. As I stated in my email to the group I never let my water temp get over 105.5 degrees. I own three different types of juicers, worm gear, centrifugal, blender, and I will take the Vit-a-mix over any other one for easy of use and nutrition. Both with the worm gear and centrifugal juicer, you throw away the pulp, which contain a lot of nutrition. And also with the with the worm gear and centrifugal juicer, there is heat generated through friction, but there is no water to keep it cool. If I were sick and wanted to keep give my digestion system a break, I would maybe use a worm gear and centrifugal juicer, but I'm not sure even then I might not because of all the nutrition being wasted. Bottom line, I believe that the Vit-a-mix prepares things closer to nature than the worm gear and centrifugal juicer. So continue, using what over or using, but I base my faith on that the Vit-a-mix does what I want. P.S. If I listened to Dr. Mercola, I wouldn't be a Raw Foodist, now: The Naïve Vegetarian http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/2/vegetarian.htm http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/9/vegetarian2.htm http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/13/vegetarian3.htm http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/16/vegetarian4.htm Strict Vegan Diets May Be Dangerous Philosophically, I continue to believe that a predominantly plant- based and uncooked diet is the best thing for the long- term health of most people. Personally, I would estimate somewhere between 5% and 10% of my current diet also includes animal foods. http://www.mercola.com/article/Diet/former_vegan.htm Food as Medicine: Does it Really Work? What can you do? The good news is plenty, as you are the one who controls what goes into your body. Choose foods that have the greatest nutritional value and that go along with your metabolic type and then try to eat them in a way that will maximize their nutrients. In most cases, this means raw. At least one-third of all the food you eat should be raw, as cooking and processing can destroy essential micronutrients. http://www.mercola.com/2004/jan/28/food_medicine.htm Freezing or cooking vegetables will damage the highly perishable micronutrients that aren't even recognized, let alone measured, by food scientists. Biophotons are one type of these micronutrients. http://www.mercola.com/2003/apr/19/frozen_vegetables.htm I suspect most of us would notice significant improvements in our health and energy if we increased the amounts of living raw foods in our diet. If you vegetable juice it is quite easy to consume over 50% of your foods as raw. I currently believe that a goal might be to approach 80% or more of your diet as uncooked foods. So what is so special about living raw food? I have compiled the following resources to capture some of my recent thoughts on this fascinating subject. I hope this will spark future discussions on the upcoming collaborative interactive site we are preparing for later this year. http://www.mercola.com/2002/aug/21/biophoton.htm A fellow rawative, May God bless you and yours, Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Hi Kim, You send me an email and stated: " Your Juicer Should Have Low Speeds to Protect Your Vegetables juicers are centrifugal and spin at very high speeds to do their juicing. Common masticating and centrifugal juicers and blenders operate at high speed, anywhere from 1,000 to 24,000 RPM. The high speeds heat up the juice and cause damage to some of the perishable nutrients in the vegetables.The Vitamixer is probably the worst juicer in this category. It is advertised as juicer but it is really a high powered blender and can actually grind grains. The blades spin around at over 240 miles per hour. This high speed heats up the juice and damages the perishable nutrients. " My Reply I know you have heard of radiators, when you use a Vit-a-Mix you usually have two or three cups of water and that keeps whatever is being blended cool. If my science is correct, the highest temperature any molecule in a mix is the temperature of the mix. I am not a rocket scientist, so I hope some one will set me straight if I'm wrong. I juice fruit in the morning and I always mix three cups of water to one cup of ice to the mix. So the fruit is never warm in the Vit-a- mix. As I stated in my email to the group I never let my water temp get over 105.5 degrees. I own three different types of juicers, worm gear, centrifugal, blender, and I will take the Vit-a-mix over any other one for easy of use and nutrition. Both with the worm gear and centrifugal juicer, you throw away the pulp, which contain a lot of nutrition. And also with the with the worm gear and centrifugal juicer, there is heat generated through friction, but there is no water to keep it cool. If I were sick and wanted to keep give my digestion system a break, I would maybe use a worm gear and centrifugal juicer, but I'm not sure even then I might not because of all the nutrition being wasted. Bottom line, I believe that the Vit-a-mix prepares things closer to nature than the worm gear and centrifugal juicer. So continue, using what over or using, but I base my faith on that the Vit-a-mix does what I want. P.S. If I listened to Dr. Mercola, I wouldn't be a Raw Foodist, now: The Naïve Vegetarian http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/2/vegetarian.htm http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/9/vegetarian2.htm http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/13/vegetarian3.htm http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/16/vegetarian4.htm Strict Vegan Diets May Be Dangerous Philosophically, I continue to believe that a predominantly plant- based and uncooked diet is the best thing for the long- term health of most people. Personally, I would estimate somewhere between 5% and 10% of my current diet also includes animal foods. http://www.mercola.com/article/Diet/former_vegan.htm Food as Medicine: Does it Really Work? What can you do? The good news is plenty, as you are the one who controls what goes into your body. Choose foods that have the greatest nutritional value and that go along with your metabolic type and then try to eat them in a way that will maximize their nutrients. In most cases, this means raw. At least one-third of all the food you eat should be raw, as cooking and processing can destroy essential micronutrients. http://www.mercola.com/2004/jan/28/food_medicine.htm Freezing or cooking vegetables will damage the highly perishable micronutrients that aren't even recognized, let alone measured, by food scientists. Biophotons are one type of these micronutrients. http://www.mercola.com/2003/apr/19/frozen_vegetables.htm I suspect most of us would notice significant improvements in our health and energy if we increased the amounts of living raw foods in our diet. If you vegetable juice it is quite easy to consume over 50% of your foods as raw. I currently believe that a goal might be to approach 80% or more of your diet as uncooked foods. So what is so special about living raw food? I have compiled the following resources to capture some of my recent thoughts on this fascinating subject. I hope this will spark future discussions on the upcoming collaborative interactive site we are preparing for later this year. http://www.mercola.com/2002/aug/21/biophoton.htm A fellow rawative, May God bless you and yours, Dale rawfood , palomino03@a... wrote: > Your Juicer Should Have Low Speeds to Protect Your VegetablesInexpensive > juicers are centrifugal and spin at very high speeds to do their juicing. Common > masticating and centrifugal juicers and blenders operate at high speed, > anywhere from 1,000 to 24,000 RPM. The high speeds heat up the juice and cause damage > to some of the perishable nutrients in the vegetables.The Vitamixer is > probably the worst juicer in this category. It is advertised as as juicer but it is > really a high powered blender and can actually grind grains. The blades spin > around at over 240 miles per hour. This high speed heats up the juice and > damages the perishable nutrients. > > > > http://www.mercola.com/article/juicer.htm > > Hi Kim, > > Can you give me the URL of the source of your quote to Dr. Mercola, saying > the Vitamix kills nutrients? > I search his site and couldn't find anything. > > If you use the Vitamix to make soup and you warm the water high than 105 to > 118 degrees then I might believe what he is saying. > > By the way for your info if you take room temperature water and blend it for > three minutes the temperature of the water will be about 105.5 degrees. > > Dale > > I posted it.. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 Hi Kim, My answer to your questions is it depends, If I were selling juicers, which I don't, I would tell you to buy the Norwalk Juicer [ http://norwalkjuicers.com/ ], it has the best taste of all juice I've tasted, but it would cost you $1650.00, for a preowned refurb. model. And I hear that it takes over a half an hour to clean. We bought our first Juiceman in about 1989, I believe, it worked well, my wife used it all the time, until we bought our first Vita- mix, about five or six years ago, I have never heard a bad word about customer service, a friend dropped a spoon in his, and they replaced parts with no questions asked. I emailed them a few weeks ago, and told them we were getting cracks in the bottom of our wet container, no leaks, and Vita-mix set us a new container no questions asked, with free shipping too. You can't ask for better service that! I bought a used Champion in about 1991 and never really used it that much. Last summer I decided that I wanted to do wheatgrass with an electric juicer, we own a manual one and it works but not to much fun. And the Champion and the Juiceman don't do wheatgrass. I looked at the Omega 8001, but I decided to get the Dimension 2000 One Gear Juicer, it is similar to the Omega 8001, and almost a hundred dollars cheaper. My wife was out of town last summer, and I did a lot of juicing while she was gone, the Dimension 2000, works great, even does wheatgrass well. And I thought it was a lot easer to clean up than the Juiceman or the Champion. A little over three year ago, I found out that I have diabetes, I believe I got it from drinking two or three forty oz. cokes a day, after I quite smoking, and started to seep Cokes all day while working on the computer. Anyway, that is the only thing I can think of, other than that, I have thought I ate well, never was much of a meat eater, always loved veggies, but sweet were my down fall. I have keep my blood sugar pretty well in control, I have all my meter readings since Oct. 2000, My year averages are in the low one teens (100-115), without meds. I never taken meds. But I have read that if I didn't keep my blood sugar in the normal range, that I was opening myself up for complications, and I consider normal reading are in the range of sixty to ninety. I know that vegetarians and vegan get cancer, so I think there is something still wrong with that lifestyle, and to me it is in the processing of food. So I decided that a raw food or living food diet was the way to go, so January 1 of 2004 I went completely raw. I decided that I wanted an easy way to fix my breakfast and lunch at work. I bought a KitchenAid, I thought the best they made, but it just was as good as a Vita-mix. So, I bought another Vita-mix to use at work, I bought the 4500, and it works well, but I decided I want a variable speed one like we have at home. So I went out and bought a Vita-mix 5000, will keep the 4500 and maybe give as a gift or use it to demo and spread the word about the Raw Food Diet. I don't like juiced sprouts or raw sprouts that much, but when I make my soup in my Vita-mix I love them. My soup Friday was: Put in Vita-mix: 1 med. New Potato 1/2 Cup lentil sprouts 1/2 Cup pea sprouts 5 stocks of asparagus (the whole stock) 1/4 Cup almonds 1 leaf of romaine lettuce 1 stock celery 1 med apple 1/8 lemon with rine 2 teaspoons of curry powder 1/8 teaspoon red pepper powder 3 Cups water at room temp. Blended the above for three minutes. (should bring temperature to 105 degrees from room temp.) Makes little more than 4 one cups servings. I mix a bowl for myself, but make five smaller servings to share with my raw buddies who aren't raw. I call them my tasters. Anyway, before you put the soup in the bowls place a little shredded cabbage, chopped up celery, and a few walnuts in each bowl, believe me this makes all the difference in the world to the soup. I can't tell you all the people who love my soups because of the chewies, as I call them. I learned the trick from Victoria off of one of her videos. Then pour in the soup. Note: It only takes me about fifteen minutes for me, no my wife, to prepare my breakfast and lunch food stuff in the morning before work. It takes me less the three minutes a work to fix my lunch and the bowls I share. and only two or three minutes to clean up. To fix my breakfast at work it takes one and a half minutes to fix my breakfast, and about two minutes to clean up. My breakfast drink Friday Was: 1 med apple 1/2 lemon with rine 1 cup frozen cranberries (fresh cranberries I froze) 1 kiwifruit (ends cut off, but unpeeled " 1 cup ice 3 cups water Makes 4 cups. ( I usually drink 16 ozs. and share the rest with co- workers) Anyway the food and the Vita-mix has helped me lower my blood sugar, my average Dec. 2003 readings were 108, my average Feb 2004 readings were 78, so in two months my average readings dropped 30 points! I have lost 17 pounds, and also my blood pressure is lower. My average blood pressure was 129/84 in Dec. 2003 and 120/78 for the month of Feb. 2004. To answer your question, if I were sick and wanted to give my body max nutrition with less stress on my digestive system then I would buy the Dimension 2000, that why we have one around, but if I wanted a tool for max nutrition when I was well, then for me the Vita-mix is the only way to go. I have my smoothies in the morning, my soups for lunch, and my Carob drink at nights if I want it. By the way Ann Wigmore wrote a whole book on blending, " The Blending Book " . She states on page 7, " 'Why blend practically everything that is eaten?' The answer is simple. Blending is the easiest and most efficient way to provide food that both nourishing and easy to digest. By blending foods, we can counteract the poor eating habits most of us have developed over the years, and that are the cause of many of the physical problems we have. " She states on page 11, " My personal opinion is that a diet should consist of 70 percent blended foods and 30 percent other living foods " She also states on page 35, " At the Ann Wigmore Foundation, we use a Vita-Mix blender; I have found that this is the best blender to use in the long run. " I hope this give you an idea of where I'm coming from, where I am going, and why I made my choices. If you would like to see some pictures of me preparing my soup go to: http://www.hishealingways.com/albums/album2.html May God bless you and yours, Dale P.S. My Carob Drinks: 1 frozen banana 4 or 5 pitted dates or (4 or 5 tablespoons raisins) 1 Cups soaked almonds (soak 8 to 12 hours) 2 Tablespoons raw carob 2 Tablespoons Flaxseeds 1 Cup ice 3 Cups Water Or for a lighter version: 1 frozen banana 4 or 5 pitted dates or (4 or 5 tablespoons raisins) 2 Tablespoons raw carob 3 Tablespoons Flaxseeds 1 Cup ice 3 Cups Water - PALOMINO03 rawfood Cc: dwing Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:59 PM Re: [Raw Food] 4 -Vita Mix Dale, I'm new to this..would you choice the VitaMixer over the Omega 8002? To me the VitaMixer seems like it would be so much easier. We'd ordered my boss a Omega 8002 which UPS didn't deliver it. I was going try his Omega. Now I'm on my own to get whatever. Which model would you get? Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 > I emailed them a few weeks > ago, and told them we were getting cracks in the bottom of our wet > container, no leaks, and Vita-mix set us a new container no > questions asked, with free shipping too. You can't ask for better > service that! I had to pay $25 per container for mine (I needed two) and shipping! ~Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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