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Hello,

 

I asked one of my mentors, Rozalind

Gruben, about flushes and this was her

response:

 

“Regarding the flushes - all of them -

liver flushes, kidney flushes, colon

flushes

are dangerously damaging to your body.

NO - they are not safe at all -

they

are all intensely unhealthful, unnatural and can irreversibly cripple

your

body.

 

 

She obviously didn’t tell me why, though I

wish she had. She is very busy and

I appreciate her time with the brief response she gave. I don’t plan to

press her for more information about them because I don’t want to impose

on her generous advice, she normally charges for consultations and advice, this

was free without question. I just thought I’d share..obvoiusly not enough information to make an

educated decision. I just know I tremendously value her advice, experience and

knowledge and thought I’d pass it to anyone else who

knows her and would be curious to hear her stance.

 

Bev

J

 

 

 

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Greetings,

 

There are a lot of naysayers when dealing

with the topic of flushes. Some of them have sound reasoning, some don’t.

I think you have to go with listening to your own body and going with what

works for you. I’ve gotten a lot of positive convincing feedback in

regards to the liver flush in general, including my own experience, and from

that, I would definitely disagree with the statement of this particular flush

being ‘irreversibly crippling my body’. Especially after

seeing the evidence come out of my body and then having a great general sense

of physical well being afterwards. There was also some great advice I heard

from David Wolfe which goes something like, ‘look at the results of the

person that is offering the advice.’ I’m not familiar with Ms.

Gruben but I can understand her concern over flushes. However, I wonder

what her stance is on doing cleansing herbal teas. My sister did an

herbal liver cleanse tea where she said the tea would eat away at the stones,

however, the last day she did drink an olive oil mix that pushed out what wasn’t

eaten by the tea and she had great results.

 

Light, Matt

 

 

 

 

 

Beverly Coose

[mermaidcharter]

Wednesday, July 14, 2004

2:38 PM

 

flushes

 

 

Hello,

 

I asked one of my mentors, Rozalind Gruben, about

flushes and this was her response:

 

“Regarding

the flushes - all of them - liver flushes, kidney flushes, colon

flushes

are dangerously damaging to your body. NO - they are not safe at all -

they

are all intensely unhealthful, unnatural and can irreversibly cripple

your

body.

 

 

She obviously didn’t tell me why, though I

wish she had. She is very busy and I appreciate her time with the brief

response she gave. I don’t plan to press her for more information about

them because I don’t want to impose on her generous advice, she normally

charges for consultations and advice, this was free without question. I just

thought I’d share..obvoiusly not enough information to make an educated

decision. I just know I tremendously value her advice, experience and knowledge

and thought I’d pass it to anyone else who knows her and would be curious

to hear her stance.

 

Bev J

 

 

 

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I really wish she had given a more

thorough answer than what she did.

I don’t know her reasoning other than she is very into natural. I

can only imagine her stance on herbal teas is to not do them, but that is just

a guess. From what I have seen and understand from her lecture/bio, she is more

natural hygienic type. If you can’t come by it in nature ~ unprocessed in

anyway, then it is probably not meant to be consumed. She eats a mono diet of

fresh fruits/vegetables. From my understanding, she does not juice, use oils or

spices, vinegars, etc ~ simply nature as nature gives it to us. But, I don’t want to pretend to

know her stance on the teas or speak for her. Taking David Wolfe’s advice, I

truly respect where Prof. Gruben is in her life. She glows with inner beauty and has

dedicated her life to helping others find the correct path. She is a walking example of what I presume

many raw foodist would aim

to be. She radiates love, caring,

health, well-being and inner/external beauty.

 

If I have read of problems with the stones

getting stuck in ducts and causing trouble. The people who support flushes

acknowledge that as a serious, even critical problem if left untreated. They, the flushers, have found success

with a follow up flush to release the stuck one and recommend anyone who is

suffering after a flush do another immediately. Others take the hospital route when

experiencing trouble with a flush.

 

I like the argument one man “Dashan” I think was his name had, he was from the

website chat archives. He said that

the risks of complications from the flush are far out weighed by the health

complications as a result of not doing a flush. I totally acknowledge the astonishing

results from the flushes as far as what is expelled from the body and the

tremendous following of those who have the courage to try it. It is almost how I feel about the raw

life. The ones who criticize it are

usually the ones who don’t have what it takes to even give it a try. The ones who

try it, are convinced by it as a result of their own positive experiences with

it and then swear by it. I also

believe the medical world knows very little about the body in comparison to

what truly happens in the body. This is true throughout history with

science/religion as well. Questioning

even the earth’s rotation around the sun was thought mad long ago. Questioning the world was flat was

unheard of. So though the

medical field doesn’t seem to acknowledge the existence of the stones in

the liver, I don’t’ think that means they aren’t there. I do think it is odd that so much of the

medical world claims they are not in the liver at all, yet literally thousands

can be flushed out of the body. One

would think that dissections of even one liver would have them at least on the

charts somewhere???

 

I have also heard interesting argument

that the flush may actually cause the formation of the stones as the body

processes what was used in the flush ~ that was from a medical nurse practitioner/

nurse anesthetist friend who I can barely talk to about anything health related

because we are on such opposite ends of the spectrum of life. However, that

thought actually crossed my mind on first inspection of the flushes. I ran it

by her to see if she had ever heard of liver stones or flushes with all her

medical experience, and she had not. She, of course, heard of gall stones, but

not liver stones. I found it

interesting (don’t know if you had the same experience) that the stones

melt away if left in room temperature shortly after they leave the body. It is

thought that the oxygen may be the trigger to cause a

bacteria to deteriorate the stone. For some reason freezing it or running

it under cold water immediately upon retrieval causes it to stay solid.

 

The body does amazing things, I can see my

medical friends idea that maybe the body in some way encapsulated the oil that was taken and the salt ~ a key

ingredient in many body cellular actions also triggered the crystallization (for

lack of a better term) of the stones.

In physiology I learned how the balance of sodium, potassium, and

calcium alone are responsible for muscular/cellular actions. It is the balance of sodium, potassium,

and calcium that affects the actions of every single cell in the body, the homeostasis

of the body.

 

When we are dumping in so much sodium,

what is the effect? I don’t know.

I would like to UNDERSTAND how it works on the cellular level. Have you seen any information answering

WHY it works? What is

happening? I have searched the

archives of curezone and could not find out. “Dashan”

gave the most scientific answers to questions posted and I really think he

knows his stuff. He also is an

active participant in flushes, so I seem to hold validity to his research and information. It also seems that he is not selling

anything or promoting anything other than health ~ that helps to weigh my judgment

as well, as does your personal experience, Matt.

 

I am hoping to find the courage to trust

the correct information. Right now

I am still researching and appreciate anyone’s input and experience.

 

 

BEV :)

 

 

 

Matthew A. Berg

[tradershogun]

Monday, July 19, 2004 3:35

PM

 

RE: flushes

 

Greetings,

 

There are a lot of

naysayers when dealing with the topic of flushes. Some of them have sound

reasoning, some don’t. I think you have to go with listening to

your own body and going with what works for you. I’ve gotten a lot

of positive convincing feedback in regards to the liver flush in general,

including my own experience, and from that, I would definitely disagree with

the statement of this particular flush being ‘irreversibly crippling my

body’. Especially after seeing the evidence come out of my body and

then having a great general sense of physical well being afterwards.

There was also some great advice I heard from David Wolfe which goes something

like, ‘look at the results of the person that is offering the

advice.’ I’m not familiar with Ms. Gruben but I can

understand her concern over flushes. However, I wonder what her stance is

on doing cleansing herbal teas. My sister did an herbal liver cleanse tea

where she said the tea would eat away at the stones, however, the last day she

did drink an olive oil mix that pushed out what wasn’t eaten by the tea

and she had great results.

 

Light, Matt

 

 

 

 

 

Beverly

Coose [mermaidcharter]

Wednesday, July 14, 2004

2:38 PM

 

flushes

 

 

Hello,

 

I asked one of my mentors, Rozalind

Gruben, about flushes and this was her response:

 

“Regarding

the flushes - all of them - liver flushes, kidney flushes, colon

flushes

are dangerously damaging to your body. NO - they are not safe at all -

they

are all intensely unhealthful, unnatural and can irreversibly cripple

your

body.

 

 

She obviously didn’t

tell me why, though I wish she had. She is very busy and I appreciate her

time with the brief response she gave. I don’t plan to press her for more

information about them because I don’t want to impose on her generous

advice, she normally charges for consultations and advice, this was free

without question. I just thought I’d share..obvoiusly not enough

information to make an educated decision. I just know I tremendously value her

advice, experience and knowledge and thought I’d pass it to anyone else

who knows her and would be curious to hear her stance.

 

Bev J

 

 

 

 

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