Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Hello, I asked one of my mentors, Rozalind Gruben, about flushes and this was her response: “Regarding the flushes - all of them - liver flushes, kidney flushes, colon flushes are dangerously damaging to your body. NO - they are not safe at all - they are all intensely unhealthful, unnatural and can irreversibly cripple your body. She obviously didn’t tell me why, though I wish she had. She is very busy and I appreciate her time with the brief response she gave. I don’t plan to press her for more information about them because I don’t want to impose on her generous advice, she normally charges for consultations and advice, this was free without question. I just thought I’d share..obvoiusly not enough information to make an educated decision. I just know I tremendously value her advice, experience and knowledge and thought I’d pass it to anyone else who knows her and would be curious to hear her stance. Bev J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Greetings, There are a lot of naysayers when dealing with the topic of flushes. Some of them have sound reasoning, some don’t. I think you have to go with listening to your own body and going with what works for you. I’ve gotten a lot of positive convincing feedback in regards to the liver flush in general, including my own experience, and from that, I would definitely disagree with the statement of this particular flush being ‘irreversibly crippling my body’. Especially after seeing the evidence come out of my body and then having a great general sense of physical well being afterwards. There was also some great advice I heard from David Wolfe which goes something like, ‘look at the results of the person that is offering the advice.’ I’m not familiar with Ms. Gruben but I can understand her concern over flushes. However, I wonder what her stance is on doing cleansing herbal teas. My sister did an herbal liver cleanse tea where she said the tea would eat away at the stones, however, the last day she did drink an olive oil mix that pushed out what wasn’t eaten by the tea and she had great results. Light, Matt Beverly Coose [mermaidcharter] Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:38 PM flushes Hello, I asked one of my mentors, Rozalind Gruben, about flushes and this was her response: “Regarding the flushes - all of them - liver flushes, kidney flushes, colon flushes are dangerously damaging to your body. NO - they are not safe at all - they are all intensely unhealthful, unnatural and can irreversibly cripple your body. She obviously didn’t tell me why, though I wish she had. She is very busy and I appreciate her time with the brief response she gave. I don’t plan to press her for more information about them because I don’t want to impose on her generous advice, she normally charges for consultations and advice, this was free without question. I just thought I’d share..obvoiusly not enough information to make an educated decision. I just know I tremendously value her advice, experience and knowledge and thought I’d pass it to anyone else who knows her and would be curious to hear her stance. Bev J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 I really wish she had given a more thorough answer than what she did. I don’t know her reasoning other than she is very into natural. I can only imagine her stance on herbal teas is to not do them, but that is just a guess. From what I have seen and understand from her lecture/bio, she is more natural hygienic type. If you can’t come by it in nature ~ unprocessed in anyway, then it is probably not meant to be consumed. She eats a mono diet of fresh fruits/vegetables. From my understanding, she does not juice, use oils or spices, vinegars, etc ~ simply nature as nature gives it to us. But, I don’t want to pretend to know her stance on the teas or speak for her. Taking David Wolfe’s advice, I truly respect where Prof. Gruben is in her life. She glows with inner beauty and has dedicated her life to helping others find the correct path. She is a walking example of what I presume many raw foodist would aim to be. She radiates love, caring, health, well-being and inner/external beauty. If I have read of problems with the stones getting stuck in ducts and causing trouble. The people who support flushes acknowledge that as a serious, even critical problem if left untreated. They, the flushers, have found success with a follow up flush to release the stuck one and recommend anyone who is suffering after a flush do another immediately. Others take the hospital route when experiencing trouble with a flush. I like the argument one man “Dashan” I think was his name had, he was from the website chat archives. He said that the risks of complications from the flush are far out weighed by the health complications as a result of not doing a flush. I totally acknowledge the astonishing results from the flushes as far as what is expelled from the body and the tremendous following of those who have the courage to try it. It is almost how I feel about the raw life. The ones who criticize it are usually the ones who don’t have what it takes to even give it a try. The ones who try it, are convinced by it as a result of their own positive experiences with it and then swear by it. I also believe the medical world knows very little about the body in comparison to what truly happens in the body. This is true throughout history with science/religion as well. Questioning even the earth’s rotation around the sun was thought mad long ago. Questioning the world was flat was unheard of. So though the medical field doesn’t seem to acknowledge the existence of the stones in the liver, I don’t’ think that means they aren’t there. I do think it is odd that so much of the medical world claims they are not in the liver at all, yet literally thousands can be flushed out of the body. One would think that dissections of even one liver would have them at least on the charts somewhere??? I have also heard interesting argument that the flush may actually cause the formation of the stones as the body processes what was used in the flush ~ that was from a medical nurse practitioner/ nurse anesthetist friend who I can barely talk to about anything health related because we are on such opposite ends of the spectrum of life. However, that thought actually crossed my mind on first inspection of the flushes. I ran it by her to see if she had ever heard of liver stones or flushes with all her medical experience, and she had not. She, of course, heard of gall stones, but not liver stones. I found it interesting (don’t know if you had the same experience) that the stones melt away if left in room temperature shortly after they leave the body. It is thought that the oxygen may be the trigger to cause a bacteria to deteriorate the stone. For some reason freezing it or running it under cold water immediately upon retrieval causes it to stay solid. The body does amazing things, I can see my medical friends idea that maybe the body in some way encapsulated the oil that was taken and the salt ~ a key ingredient in many body cellular actions also triggered the crystallization (for lack of a better term) of the stones. In physiology I learned how the balance of sodium, potassium, and calcium alone are responsible for muscular/cellular actions. It is the balance of sodium, potassium, and calcium that affects the actions of every single cell in the body, the homeostasis of the body. When we are dumping in so much sodium, what is the effect? I don’t know. I would like to UNDERSTAND how it works on the cellular level. Have you seen any information answering WHY it works? What is happening? I have searched the archives of curezone and could not find out. “Dashan” gave the most scientific answers to questions posted and I really think he knows his stuff. He also is an active participant in flushes, so I seem to hold validity to his research and information. It also seems that he is not selling anything or promoting anything other than health ~ that helps to weigh my judgment as well, as does your personal experience, Matt. I am hoping to find the courage to trust the correct information. Right now I am still researching and appreciate anyone’s input and experience. BEV Matthew A. Berg [tradershogun] Monday, July 19, 2004 3:35 PM RE: flushes Greetings, There are a lot of naysayers when dealing with the topic of flushes. Some of them have sound reasoning, some don’t. I think you have to go with listening to your own body and going with what works for you. I’ve gotten a lot of positive convincing feedback in regards to the liver flush in general, including my own experience, and from that, I would definitely disagree with the statement of this particular flush being ‘irreversibly crippling my body’. Especially after seeing the evidence come out of my body and then having a great general sense of physical well being afterwards. There was also some great advice I heard from David Wolfe which goes something like, ‘look at the results of the person that is offering the advice.’ I’m not familiar with Ms. Gruben but I can understand her concern over flushes. However, I wonder what her stance is on doing cleansing herbal teas. My sister did an herbal liver cleanse tea where she said the tea would eat away at the stones, however, the last day she did drink an olive oil mix that pushed out what wasn’t eaten by the tea and she had great results. Light, Matt Beverly Coose [mermaidcharter] Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:38 PM flushes Hello, I asked one of my mentors, Rozalind Gruben, about flushes and this was her response: “Regarding the flushes - all of them - liver flushes, kidney flushes, colon flushes are dangerously damaging to your body. NO - they are not safe at all - they are all intensely unhealthful, unnatural and can irreversibly cripple your body. She obviously didn’t tell me why, though I wish she had. She is very busy and I appreciate her time with the brief response she gave. I don’t plan to press her for more information about them because I don’t want to impose on her generous advice, she normally charges for consultations and advice, this was free without question. I just thought I’d share..obvoiusly not enough information to make an educated decision. I just know I tremendously value her advice, experience and knowledge and thought I’d pass it to anyone else who knows her and would be curious to hear her stance. Bev J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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