Coconuts

[Guest guest]

That's interesting because I've always heard that coconut oil was bad for

the body because it's a highly

saturated fat. Anyone know the definite answer on this?

 

Mark

 

 

 

I was eating fresh coconuts (just a little of it, half a cup a day) for

several days, I noticed I lost some weight, I am too skinny now, I was this

morning only 117 lb, I used to be 125-126 lb. So I made a research on

internet, and here is what I found:

 

 

 

Coconut oil is rich in MCTs, which boost metabolism and lead to weight

loss.

 

When metabolism is increased, cells function at a higher rate of

efficiency. They heal injuries quicker, old and diseased cells are replaced

faster, and young, new cells are generated at an increased rate to replace

worn-out ones.

 

 

 

But this means that coconuts make us age faster.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

A higher metabolic rate doesn't mean faster aging.

 

Mark

 

 

When metabolism is increased, cells function at a higher rate of

efficiency. They heal injuries quicker, old and diseased cells are replaced

faster, and young, new cells are generated at an increased rate to replace

worn-out ones.

 

 

 

But this means that coconuts make us age faster.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Well, scientists say it does:

 

Our genes are made of DNA and exist in long chains called chromosomes. Before a

cell can divide, it must first double or replicate its DNA, so that each

daughter cell will have a full complement of DNA. Chromosomes have structures on

their ends that are called telomeres, which act as mooring spots at which the

proteins and RNA that actually copy DNA attach. With each reproduction, bits of

those telomeres are lost, until eventually, after a specific number of divisions

(30 to 50 for most human cells), those telomeres are too short to permit further

duplication. Cells possessing the enzyme telomerase are able to lengthen their

telomeres, permitting unending cell division and granting effective immortality.

Over 90% of human cancers have been found to possess telomerase.Telomere

shortening is believed to play a role in aging. When our cells have lost the

critical length of their telomeres and can no longer reproduce, they move into a

senescent phase.

 

 

You might want also read this:

 

 

 

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:DBx_75cFZGQJ:www.cnn.com/NATURE/9905/26/dol\

ly.clone.02/

 

 

 

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Iwdb6hvtd6YJ:news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2\

764039.stm

 

 

Milarepa <milarepa wrote:

A higher metabolic rate doesn't mean faster aging.

 

Mark

 

 

When metabolism is increased, cells function at a higher rate of

efficiency. They heal injuries quicker, old and diseased cells are replaced

faster, and young, new cells are generated at an increased rate to replace

worn-out ones.

 

 

 

But this means that coconuts make us age faster.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Viola:

 

You're misunderstanding the implications of this study and are confusing the

loss of telomeres with metabolism.

 

The easiest way to slow down your metabolism is to lead a sedentary life.

The quickest way to increase your metabolism is to lead an active life and

have a regular exercise program. I'm sure you recognize that an active life

style and regular exercise leads to a longer and healthier life. Also

remember that regular exercise increases lean muscle mass density which

increases the metabolic thus allowing one to build strength, burn fat,

increase heart strength, and encourage longevity.

 

You are trying to conclude from this that those with a healthier lifestyle

and a higher metabolic rate based on exercise will age faster and this is

clearly a fallacy. Your logic and conclusion would lead us to believe that

a couch potato will live longer than an athlete.

 

Mark

viola [Viola816]

Wednesday, August 18, 2004 4:20 PM

RawSeattle

RE: [RawSeattle] coconuts

 

 

Well, scientists say it does:

 

Our genes are made of DNA and exist in long chains called chromosomes.

Before a cell can divide, it must first double or replicate its DNA, so that

each daughter cell will have a full complement of DNA. Chromosomes have

structures on their ends that are called telomeres, which act as mooring

spots at which the proteins and RNA that actually copy DNA attach. With each

reproduction, bits of those telomeres are lost, until eventually, after a

specific number of divisions (30 to 50 for most human cells), those

telomeres are too short to permit further duplication. Cells possessing the

enzyme telomerase are able to lengthen their telomeres, permitting unending

cell division and granting effective immortality. Over 90% of human cancers

have been found to possess telomerase.Telomere shortening is believed to

play a role in aging. When our cells have lost the critical length of their

telomeres and can no longer reproduce, they move into a senescent phase.

 

 

You might want also read this:

 

 

 

 

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:DBx_75cFZGQJ:www.cnn.com/NATURE/9905/26

/dolly.clone.02/

 

 

 

 

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Iwdb6hvtd6YJ:news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/te

ch/2764039.stm

 

 

Milarepa <milarepa wrote:

A higher metabolic rate doesn't mean faster aging.

 

Mark

 

 

When metabolism is increased, cells function at a higher rate of

efficiency. They heal injuries quicker, old and diseased cells are

replaced

faster, and young, new cells are generated at an increased rate to replace

worn-out ones.

 

 

 

But this means that coconuts make us age faster.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

You're saying, used wisely, coconuts speed duplication of cells causing

increased healing with the benefit of trimming excess weight, and that overuse

could lead to pre-mature wear of one's body?

 

-

viola

RawSeattle

Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:25 PM

[RawSeattle] coconuts

 

 

 

I was eating fresh coconuts (just a little of it, half a cup a day) for

several days, I noticed I lost some weight, I am too skinny now, I was this

morning only 117 lb, I used to be 125-126 lb. So I made a research on internet,

and here is what I found:

 

 

 

Coconut oil is rich in MCTs, which boost metabolism and lead to weight loss.

 

When metabolism is increased, cells function at a higher rate of efficiency.

They heal injuries quicker, old and diseased cells are replaced faster, and

young, new cells are generated at an increased rate to replace worn-out ones.

 

 

 

But this means that coconuts make us age faster.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Kevin wrote:

 

 

 

>> You're saying, used wisely, coconuts speed duplication of cells causing

increased healing with the benefit of trimming excess weight, and that overuse

could lead to pre-mature wear of one's body?

 

 

 

Kevin, I am not sure if coconuts really speeding up metabolism, or I just was

eating much less because coconuts might just were suppressing my appetite. I

didn't count my calories, I tried to do it long time ago, I am getting about

1400- 1600 a day. I think last week I was eating less, but again, I am not sure.

First of all I am NOT overweight and I don't need trimming 'excess' weight,

second I believe the best way to trim excess weight is to eat less. Anything

else, any chemical which speeding up metabolism are speeding up aging.

 

 

 

Mark wrote:

 

 

 

>>Your logic and conclusion would lead us to believe that

a couch potato will live longer than an athlete.

 

 

 

 

No Mark, this is YOUR logic, you are taking the extremes.

 

Over exercising is definitely speeding up aging. But being a couch potato is

also very unhealthy, so in these two extremes no one will live long (at least

100).

 

 

 

KEVIN THURBER <aikneada wrote:

You're saying, used wisely, coconuts speed duplication of cells causing

increased healing with the benefit of trimming excess weight, and that overuse

could lead to pre-mature wear of one's body?

 

-

viola

RawSeattle

Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:25 PM

[RawSeattle] coconuts

 

 

 

I was eating fresh coconuts (just a little of it, half a cup a day) for

several days, I noticed I lost some weight, I am too skinny now, I was this

morning only 117 lb, I used to be 125-126 lb. So I made a research on internet,

and here is what I found:

 

 

 

Coconut oil is rich in MCTs, which boost metabolism and lead to weight loss.

 

When metabolism is increased, cells function at a higher rate of efficiency.

They heal injuries quicker, old and diseased cells are replaced faster, and

young, new cells are generated at an increased rate to replace worn-out ones.

 

 

 

But this means that coconuts make us age faster.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Interesting, Viola. Yesterday, for the first time in my regular routine, I

drank two coconuts, made a shake with the meat, 2 pints of fresh picked black

berries, two handful of cashews, and with another coconut about two hours later,

I was satisfied almost the whole day. I think I like them.

-

viola

RawSeattle

Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:37 AM

Re: [RawSeattle] coconuts

 

 

 

Kevin wrote:

 

 

 

>> You're saying, used wisely, coconuts speed duplication of cells causing

increased healing with the benefit of trimming excess weight, and that overuse

could lead to pre-mature wear of one's body?

 

 

 

Kevin, I am not sure if coconuts really speeding up metabolism, or I just was

eating much less because coconuts might just were suppressing my appetite. I

didn't count my calories, I tried to do it long time ago, I am getting about

1400- 1600 a day. I think last week I was eating less, but again, I am not sure.

First of all I am NOT overweight and I don't need trimming 'excess' weight,

second I believe the best way to trim excess weight is to eat less. Anything

else, any chemical which speeding up metabolism are speeding up aging.

 

 

 

Mark wrote:

 

 

 

>>Your logic and conclusion would lead us to believe that

a couch potato will live longer than an athlete.

 

 

 

 

No Mark, this is YOUR logic, you are taking the extremes.

 

Over exercising is definitely speeding up aging. But being a couch potato is

also very unhealthy, so in these two extremes no one will live long (at least

100).

 

 

 

KEVIN THURBER <aikneada wrote:

You're saying, used wisely, coconuts speed duplication of cells causing

increased healing with the benefit of trimming excess weight, and that overuse

could lead to pre-mature wear of one's body?

 

-

viola

RawSeattle

Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:25 PM

[RawSeattle] coconuts

 

 

 

I was eating fresh coconuts (just a little of it, half a cup a day) for

several days, I noticed I lost some weight, I am too skinny now, I was this

morning only 117 lb, I used to be 125-126 lb. So I made a research on internet,

and here is what I found:

 

 

 

Coconut oil is rich in MCTs, which boost metabolism and lead to weight loss.

 

When metabolism is increased, cells function at a higher rate of efficiency.

They heal injuries quicker, old and diseased cells are replaced faster, and

young, new cells are generated at an increased rate to replace worn-out ones.

 

 

 

But this means that coconuts make us age faster.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Kevin, don't do this often, half of a cup coconut milk is already 28 g of fat

(300 calories), doesn't matter how good this fat is, there should be balance

with other nutrients (protein and carbs), not more that 30 % calories from fat,

otherwise you might get sick later. Calories from carbs should be the greatest

part. It depends what is your body type, for some people 10/10/80 is the best,

for some 20/20/60, for others 30/30/40. You have to listen your body what you

feel 1-2 hours after meal.

 

 

 

Here is one link I found to count calories.

 

http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/

 

 

 

 

KEVIN THURBER <aikneada wrote:Interesting, Viola. Yesterday, for

the first time in my regular routine, I drank two coconuts, made a shake with

the meat, 2 pints of fresh picked black berries, two handful of cashews, and

with another coconut about two hours later, I was satisfied almost the whole

day. I think I like them.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Fantastic! Yes, for these two days which I have eaten the nuts, I have had one

regular meal. I will view the cocos as a medicinal tool. Thanks.

-

viola

RawSeattle

Friday, August 20, 2004 3:05 PM

Re: [RawSeattle] coconuts

 

 

 

Kevin, don't do this often, half of a cup coconut milk is already 28 g of fat

(300 calories), doesn't matter how good this fat is, there should be balance

with other nutrients (protein and carbs), not more that 30 % calories from fat,

otherwise you might get sick later. Calories from carbs should be the greatest

part. It depends what is your body type, for some people 10/10/80 is the best,

for some 20/20/60, for others 30/30/40. You have to listen your body what you

feel 1-2 hours after meal.

 

 

 

Here is one link I found to count calories.

 

http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/

 

 

 

 

KEVIN THURBER <aikneada wrote:Interesting, Viola. Yesterday,

for the first time in my regular routine, I drank two coconuts, made a shake

with the meat, 2 pints of fresh picked black berries, two handful of cashews,

and with another coconut about two hours later, I was satisfied almost the whole

day. I think I like them.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Coconut water, which is the liquid from coconuts, only has 0.48 grams

of fat per half cup. While I make and use coconut " milk " for recipes,

most people just use the " water " . I don't know the fat content of

young coconut " meat " , but believe it to contain much less fat than

the mature coconut meat. The USDA National Nutrient Database does not

list young coconut meat.

 

I believe balance is important. It will probably take some time for

each of us to figure what is ideal for us and may vary, depending on

activity levels, etc. Trying recommended percentages is one way to

help us find the right balance.

 

FYI:

Chris Cowen, AKA Coconutty, of http://www.greencoconuts.com, was at

both the Living Now Festival in upstate NY and this weekend's

Portland Raw Festival. He collects wild coconuts (pesticide-free and

not dipped in anything!) He was selling his fresh coconuts and they

were quite good! They can be ordered online.

 

Jeff

 

 

>Kevin, don't do this often, half of a cup coconut milk is already 28

>g of fat (300 calories), doesn't matter how good this fat is, there

>should be balance with other nutrients (protein and carbs)

 

 

>I drank two coconuts, made a shake with the meat,

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this link, Jeff. So, the coconuts I'm buying at Ranch

Market ($.79 a piece, from Thailand) are probably dipped (in what?)

and sprayed w/ pesticides? Any idea how " dirty " this makes the

water and meat?

 

My husband is on a coconut thing at the moment, as he's training a

lot (running & biking). I'd obviously prefer to buy clean coconuts--

but the price may be prohibitive. However, if he's getting a bunch

of chemicals from the cheaper ones, that's no bargain.

 

Do you (or anyone) know how suseptible the innards are to out

applications?

 

Thanks,

Tina

 

>

> FYI:

> Chris Cowen, AKA Coconutty, of http://www.greencoconuts.com, was

at

> both the Living Now Festival in upstate NY and this weekend's

> Portland Raw Festival. He collects wild coconuts (pesticide-free

and

> not dipped in anything!) He was selling his fresh coconuts and

they

> were quite good! They can be ordered online.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Can anyone tell me the best way to open up a coconut without

making a mess?

 

Michele

[Guest guest]

Jeff, did you try to order those coconuts, are they really fresh?

On Mercola website (http://www.mercola.com/2004/mar/10/coconuts.htm), he is

saying young coconut water doesn't have any fat, and 100 g meat is only 3.6 g of

fat. I am eating young coconuts, but they have more fat than that, i am sure. It

keeps me from getting hungry for looooong time.

 

 

Jeff Rogers <jeff wrote:

 

Coconut water, which is the liquid from coconuts, only has 0.48 grams

of fat per half cup. While I make and use coconut " milk " for recipes,

most people just use the " water " . I don't know the fat content of

young coconut " meat " , but believe it to contain much less fat than

the mature coconut meat. The USDA National Nutrient Database does not

list young coconut meat.

 

I believe balance is important. It will probably take some time for

each of us to figure what is ideal for us and may vary, depending on

activity levels, etc. Trying recommended percentages is one way to

help us find the right balance.

 

FYI:

Chris Cowen, AKA Coconutty, of http://www.greencoconuts.com, was at

both the Living Now Festival in upstate NY and this weekend's

Portland Raw Festival. He collects wild coconuts (pesticide-free and

not dipped in anything!) He was selling his fresh coconuts and they

were quite good! They can be ordered online.

 

Jeff

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>Jeff, did you try to order those coconuts, are they really fresh?

 

I haven't ordered them, but bought some from Chris directly. They

were good. He had three different kinds in NY, each one a little

different. He had green, yellow, and orange coconuts!

 

Jeff

 

 

[Guest guest]

>He had three different kinds in NY, each one a little

> different. He had green, yellow, and orange coconuts!

 

from what i've seen, coco's take on different colors depending on the

soils

and i've never heard of one color tasting different than another

 

as i understand it...

there's two kinda coconuts

the common one which we get in the stores and you see everywhere in the

tropics

and a samoan

the samoan trees are short and the nuts are easy to reach

i saw a few trees on the big island but i don't know why they aren't

more popular

 

as far as sprays used on coconuts (this isn't gospel)

i don't believe coconuts have any pests and therefore would have little

or no need for sprays except maybe to hold down the undergrowth

but plantation coconuts are grown so thick that most undergrowth would

be shaded out

 

norm  )~

 

......  raw food, simply wonderful  .....

[Guest guest]

My first thought was different growing conditions, such as soil. I

asked if that was the case and not because of diffeent varieties of

coconuts. Chris said they were actually different varieties.

 

Jeff

 

 

> >He had three different kinds in NY, each one a little

>> different. He had green, yellow, and orange coconuts!

>

>from what i've seen, coco's take on different colors depending on the

>soils

>and i've never heard of one color tasting different than another

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Chris said they were actually different varieties.

 

huhhh... first i've heard but then i've only ''heard''

 

i did notice that there are a variety of colors in the ''wild trees''

so i ''searched'' coconut varieties and you're right... there's lots of

varieties

there's also disease among them ( " lethal yellowing disease'' for one) in

plantation nuts

http://www.siu.edu/~ebl/leaflets/coconut.htm

 

another reason to move where the food grows so you can grow your own...

 

what rain???...

norm  )~

 

......  raw food, simply wonderful  .....

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina, please tell where is that Ranch Market located with coconuts at $.79 ?

 

 

Tina Bystrom <bystrom wrote:

Thanks for this link, Jeff. So, the coconuts I'm buying at Ranch

Market ($.79 a piece, from Thailand) are probably dipped (in what?)

and sprayed w/ pesticides? Any idea how " dirty " this makes the

water and meat?

 

My husband is on a coconut thing at the moment, as he's training a

lot (running & biking). I'd obviously prefer to buy clean coconuts--

but the price may be prohibitive. However, if he's getting a bunch

of chemicals from the cheaper ones, that's no bargain.

 

Do you (or anyone) know how suseptible the innards are to out

applications?

 

Thanks,

Tina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I go to the one in Edmonds, on Highway 99 and 224th St, a couple of

miles north of the King/Snohomish line.

 

99 Ranch Market

22511 Hwy 99, Edmonds, WA 98020

(425) 670-1899

 

I believe there is also one down south somewhere, but can't quite

remember where.

 

Tina

 

 

 

RawSeattle , viola <Viola816> wrote:

>

> Hi Tina, please tell where is that Ranch Market located with

coconuts at $.79 ?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tina,

It's in Kent at the exit to Valley General Hospital. The first Southbound exit

off 169 (6 mi south of Renton). Turn off the freeway and when you come to the

light turn left. Go straight past the next light and it will be almost

immediately on your left in the Great Wall Shopping Mall.

 

Nick Hein

Morgantown, WV

Renton/Kent WA expatriate

 

>

> " Tina Bystrom " <bystrom

> 2004/08/25 Wed PM 08:46:23 CDT

> RawSeattle

> [RawSeattle] Re: coconuts

>

> I go to the one in Edmonds, on Highway 99 and 224th St, a couple of

> miles north of the King/Snohomish line.

>

> 99 Ranch Market

> 22511 Hwy 99, Edmonds, WA 98020

> (425) 670-1899

>

> I believe there is also one down south somewhere, but can't quite

> remember where.

>

> Tina

>

>

>

> RawSeattle , viola <Viola816> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Tina, please tell where is that Ranch Market located with

> coconuts at $.79 ?

> >

> >

 

[Guest guest]

The one down south is located in Kent.

 

http://www.99ranch.com/StoreLocator.asp

 

Paula

 

 

Tina Bystrom <bystrom wrote:

I go to the one in Edmonds, on Highway 99 and 224th St, a couple of

miles north of the King/Snohomish line.

 

99 Ranch Market

22511 Hwy 99, Edmonds, WA 98020

(425) 670-1899

 

I believe there is also one down south somewhere, but can't quite

remember where.

 

Tina

 

 

 

RawSeattle , viola <Viola816> wrote:

>

> Hi Tina, please tell where is that Ranch Market located with

coconuts at $.79 ?

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

by IKEA

 

 

-

" Paula Wood " <wolfmother1

<RawSeattle >

Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:27 AM

Re: [RawSeattle] Re: coconuts

 

 

> The one down south is located in Kent.

>

> http://www.99ranch.com/StoreLocator.asp

>

> Paula

>

>

> Tina Bystrom <bystrom wrote:

> I go to the one in Edmonds, on Highway 99 and 224th St, a couple of

> miles north of the King/Snohomish line.

>

> 99 Ranch Market

> 22511 Hwy 99, Edmonds, WA 98020

> (425) 670-1899

>

> I believe there is also one down south somewhere, but can't quite

> remember where.

>

> Tina

>

>

>

> RawSeattle , viola <Viola816> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Tina, please tell where is that Ranch Market located with

> coconuts at $.79 ?

> >

> >

>

>

>

>