Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 What I have found is that for any and every article there is another article which completely contradicts it. I have struggled for a long time trying to figure out what is BEST. I have researched every side of raw in an attempt to make an educated life choice for my daughter and myself. I have literally seen the same study given different summaries which were completely opposing. How does this happen....it is suppose to be science and yet here are 2 completely rational results from the exact same study?? I have read and heard both of your notes from the article before. Yes, it does make sense that the digestive enzymes in the plants are for the plants to digest their food (sunlight/water) and would be different from the enzymes which we need to digest our food. I have also read that the enzymes from plants DO help in their own breakdown. Which one do you put weight to if both are from reasonable sources/studies???? And, I can honestly tell you the B12 has been a concern for me. But what I can tell you from MY experience....I have been a vegetarian for almost 20 years, I have never taken B12 supplementation on a regular basis and in those 20 years may have had one small B12 bottle total. I recently had blood work done and my B12 level was great. Like your article states, I have heard that B12 is not absorbed when taken from algae/spiriulina etc...and that makes sense. I have also heard that taking ANY supplementation (of any kind) can cause a depletion in other nutrients in our body. Scientists are aware of the fact that they do not know all the nutrients that are found in foods. They have identified MANY but not nearly to the extent that are there. NATURE makes foods in balance. Different nutrients NEED other nutrients, in a balance, to work in the body. When you throw off the balance of nutrients by supplementation you can actually prevent nutrient absorption/use within the body. If science does not know all the nutrients, how can it be expected to make supplementation to work within the body. This leads to the simple answer for me.....Eat as close to nature as you can. I have even read (can't remember where to quote, but from more than one source)that the body actually makes B12 when conditions are right in the body, healthy bacteria in the intestines (I think). And, unless you have done something to destroy those bacteria (excess citrus or antibiotics) then your body is OK with B12 production. And, of course, I have read articles where this is not the case at all...so who KNOWS???? But, for me, I know my blood work shows I'm fine and I have been living a lifestyle for years where it should be depleted or low. Everything of course is individual, what works for one, may not for another....all of our body chemistries are different, you have to have faith and an ability to listen to your body and education to make adjustments to maximize your body's potential and make healthful choices. How can it be wrong to eat what nature has provided us. What is so crazy about eating fruit from trees and not killing animals we are not naturally capable of catching. When you look at the fact that our number one source of minerals is dark colored vegetables (number 2 fruit) and our number one source of vitamins is fruit (number 2 is vegetables) then how can it be wrong. You are getting natures #1 & #2 sources as a main staple and getting it in BALANCE that nature intended for consumption/absorption/use. (This of course is speaking from NATURE and not even tapping into the Genetically Modified choices out there or the nutrient depleted vegetation due to over cultivation). I have found, you can find any angle to support any thing you want. I look into my heart for the answers and honestly do worry if I am making the right choices. However, when I am raw the difference in EVERYTHING is amazing. I feel a connection with the universe in a way that I never could feel before. I feel happy and energetic. It is like someone recently said, a door I didn't know existed becomes open and I can see a whole new world I couldn't fathom. So for me those are real, those weigh in to the conflicting articles I read. And I continue to read, because right now this seems right for me, but I have seen many walk this path to change later and I may find that for me, as well. But for now, listening to my body and judging by the experiences I feel, raw seems right from so many angles ~ I tend to believe it is what we are meant to do. BEV yuan [yuan123] Saturday, September 18, 2004 11:33 AM Raw Enzymes and Analog B12 - True ? Hello, I note the following from an article, please comment. (1). The raw enzymes in food that you eat are going to help you digest your food - Before food every gets to the point where the nutrients are being extracted, it's already been totally broken down by your own digestion process. When you eat food, it goes to a place in your stomach where there's these incredible " fires " with acids, and stuff like that, and it totally breaks down your food before it gets to the point that those enzymes could help in the way that raw-foodists believe they help. Also, the other thing is that the enzymes of a plant are not the same as the enzymes of a human being, in our digestive tract. The enzymes of a plant are designed by a plant to help the plant digest its nutrients, its food. So the enzymes of a broccoli plant are for the broccoli plant to digest its food. If you look at them with a microscope, they aren't the same as the enzymes in a human digestive tract. (2). The blue-green algae, the spirulina, sea vegetables, all of those things are listed as having a lot of B12, but studies have shown that they're analog B12, which can't be utilized by the human body. Analog B-12 competes for receptor sites with the real usable B-12. It results that eating any of those things, it's not only that you're not getting the B-12 you think you're getting, you're actually going to get less, because the analog B-12 clings to the limited numbers of receptor sites in the body for real B12 and then real B-12 can't cling to it, because it's already taken by the analog B-12. So, people who have been eating those things in the vegan movement thinking that it's a natural source of B12 and that they don't need to take a B-12 supplement, become very B-12 anemic. Thanks in advance, Yuan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Jesse Parris <studio53 wrote: > So you are saying that the best source is B12 is cyanocobalamin? > > Jess I am not suggesting anything. I just want members in the group to tell me if the quote from the article is " true or not " . I am seeking opinions/advises. Best, Yuan > - > " yuan " <yuan123 > <rawfood > > Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:29 AM > [Raw Food] Raw Enzymes and Analog B12 - True ? > > > snip> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 I am on a few raw groups and this article seems to have a lot of folks confused and upset, including me. I never had heard about algae or sea weed products being Analog B12 before. I have taken B12 occasionally over the years just to be safe. I even got the shots for a while because some doctors believed that anyone with fibromyalgia or chronic fatigue syndrome had a B12 deficiency. I was never tested to find out for sure. I have an appointment with a doctor who is Indian and a life long vegetarian. I am going to discuss this with him further. I did talk to him about it briefly last time I saw him and he didn't think I should be too concerned. Since my regular doctor is always doing blood tests, I will ask her to add that one to the list just to see where I stand. If I am defecient, I will decide then what to do. If I am not, then I will just continue eating the way I have been. The rest of my blood test results have improved a lot since I went raw four months ago. Everything they tested for was in the normal range for the first time in years. CaraLea - " yuan " <yuan123 <rawfood > Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:02 AM Re: [Raw Food] Raw Enzymes and Analog B12 - True ? > Jesse Parris <studio53 wrote: > > So you are saying that the best source is B12 is cyanocobalamin? > > > > Jess > > I am not suggesting anything. > I just want members in the group to tell me if the quote from > the article is " true or not " . I am seeking opinions/advises. > > Best, > Yuan > > > > - > > " yuan " <yuan123 > > <rawfood > > > Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:29 AM > > [Raw Food] Raw Enzymes and Analog B12 - True ? > > > > > > snip> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 So you are saying that the best source is B12 is cyanocobalamin? Jess - " yuan " <yuan123 <rawfood > Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:29 AM [Raw Food] Raw Enzymes and Analog B12 - True ? snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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