RE: Direct appeal from Gary Null

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Elaine, for this crucial message.

 

The problem of the pharmaceutical industry's profit margin based on human

suffering, intertwined with the collusion between this industry and the FDA, is

an issue about which I've been very concerned for many years. I've read several

books on the topic, probably the most informative of which was Dr. Robert

Sharpe's " The Cruel Deception, " along with Hans Reusch's " Slaughter of the

Innocent. " These 2 books describe the infamous but little known history of

vivisection's danger to human health, part and parcel to the atrocities

committed against nonhumans in laboratories, along with humans who unconsciously

become experimental subjects by using this industry's products. I trust that

most people on this list are already conscious of these crucial issues, though

sometimes I wonder.

 

This brings me to the critical matter at hand. In light of Tom Cruise's recent

public attacks against the psychiatric profession, I must admit I'm torn on both

moral and intellectual levels. On one hand, I essentially agree with his

emphasis on the facts that drugs " mask " symptoms and that we live in an

overdrugged society. Although he clearly has no credentials to make these

claims, and in fact never graduated from high school (nor did his icon L. Ron

Hubbard), his critique is right on target. On the other hand, however, he is

extremely disingenuous coming from a Scientology perspective, given the truly

sordid history of Scientology " ministers " and other " Church " officials inducing

thousands of former followers to suicide when they begin questioning the

organization's practices or philosophy, or driving them to insanity. No one who

swears allegiance to a cult with a vested interest in abolition of psychiatry as

a profession can ever be trusted as a critic to have humanitarian ideals in

mind. Suffice to say that such criticism from Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Kirstie

Alley, Jenna Elfman or even Katie Holmes (thanks to Cruise's recent recruitment

of her into their Satanic fold against her Catholic upbringing) is wholly

hypocritical and intellectually dishonest at best. I urge anyone interested in

Cruise's critique of drug use by psychiatric patients to explore the following

websites:

www.xenu.net

www.factnet.org

www.altreligionscientology.org

www.cultnews.org

www.radaronline.com

Most recently, www.tomcruiseisnuts.com

 

I can also personally attest to the benefits of psychotherapy myself, although

I've never taken any drugs for this purpose, thank Gaia. Knowing that the

" Church " of Scientology as a matter of principle considers psychiatry and all

its practitioners to be enemies of humanity as much as they label Jesus Christ

and all religions the same, I have no doubt that Tom Cruise includes talk

therapy in his attacks addressed to Matt Lauer on the Today Show, among other

venues. I've no doubt that if Brooke Shields had used no drugs for her

post-partum depression, with which I thoroughly empathize, but had instead only

relied on a psychiatrist as a personal counselor, or even a psychologist for

that matter, Tom Cruise would still attack her. His bona fide ulterior motive is

to recruit everyone who would otherwise visit any social worker or psychologist

into the his cult's auspices. I'm sure when he spoke to Lauer, he was thinking

in the back of his mind, " If only Brooke had come to the Celebrity Center for

auditing sessions, she wouldn't have gone to a shrink. " Knowing his loyalty to

the CoS, he'd be fully satisfied if Brooke was naive enough (like Jenna Elfman)

to jump into Scientology's arms just as Katie Holmes did, not out of love, but

elaborate trickery, revolving around Katie's childhood crush on him, being 16

years younger.

 

I'll also confess here that when I was 7 years old, I had a major crush on

Brooke Shields myself. If she could've met me 10 years ago, analogous to Katie

meeting Tom recently, and was as devious as Tom, I could've been easily seduced

into the fold myself by dating Brooke. Ironically by coincidence, I could've

been recruited 10 years ago as a college freshman, I came very close to joining

Scientology by taking their " Stress Test " which is a common technique through

nationwide infiltration of college campuses. If not for dorm seminars teaching

how to detect cults at UConn in Storrs, CT, and the fact that I read Vincent

Bugliosi's superb tome, " Helter Skelter " a year earlier, I'd be a ravenous

Satantologist touting Dianetics today like Cruise and Travolta instead of an

ethical raw vegan as I've been for so long.

 

What does everyone on this list think about this problem of medical scandals and

drugs addressed by Tom Cruise, given his ulterior motives?

 

Namaste,

David

 

" E. Rice-Fells " <shortydemp wrote:

 

>Greetings,

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>A direct appeal from Gary Null

>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:35:48 -0400

 

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>Yours in good health,

 

>Gary Null

     

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[Guest guest]

I don't see anything hypocrtical about being part of a religious

organization that opposes psychiatry, while being opposed to psychiatry.

 

A hypocrite would be one who claimed one credo, but in practice violated

it.

 

Anyhow, the main reason I don't have psychiatric credentials is that I

thought it was bologna, so to speak, and knew I'd never make it through

their program.

 

(I am sick of " credentials " being the filter through which the rest of us

are not allowed to speak...)

 

 

Marjorie Roswell

3443 Guilford Terrace

Baltimore, MD 21218

mroswell

410-467-3727

RawFoodWiki.org

50BushFlipFlops.org

BaltimoreVillage.org

[Guest guest]

With all due respect to Margie, Scientology is not, and has never been, a

religion in any true sense. The United States is the only nation in the world,

to its severe detriment and discredit, that calls this a " religion " while every

other nation globally has the integrity to publicly call it what it is, a

corporate cult. The German government, to their extreme credit, goes so far as

to identify Scientology as " a corporate cult with totalitarian tendencies, "

which reflects positively on their own understanding of their history with

right-wing regimes. If Scientology was a bona fide religion, its leaders, from

L. Ron Hubbard and David Miscavige down, along with its celebrity adherents,

would not claim that religion itself is an implant by an evil intergalactic

ruler named " Xenu " who, according to Scientology, trapped all humans in a

volcano billions of years ago and blew them up, filling their souls with such

" false ideas " as the notion that God is good, Jesus Christ was a respectable

human being and that Lucifer was a defiant angel who told God that he'd rather

rule in Hell than serve in Heaven. L. Ron Hubbard himself was a close personal

friend and protege of Aleister Crowley, founder of the Church of Satan who was

his personal mentor, throughout his life, actively participating in many of

Crowley's Satanic rituals involving very gory animal sacrifices, rampant

hallucinogenic drug use, incest, rape and general abuse of women and children.

Crowley taught his followers that Lucifer was the savior of humanity. Hubbard

told his own disciples after Crowley died that he himself was Lucifer and would

return in Armageddon to destroy Jesus Christ. When I put the puzzle pieces

together, the logical half of my brain tells me that Hubbard equated Jesus with

Xenu. This is one of the major reasons why I urge everyone to read the extensive

material on the websites I previously mentioned.

 

This issue has nothing to do with lack of credentials, but the motivating

factors behind certain statements and actions. The fact that Tom Cruise never

graduated from high school and has spent most of his late formative years and

adult life acting while involved in Scientology underscores all criticism from

laypeople and professionals alike of his attacks on psychiatry. If he had at

least graduated high school and had some past history of knowledgeability about

the issues at hand without such a blatant conflict of interest, then he might

have some degree of credibility. Of course I don't believe we need to be MD's to

know the danger of allopathy in practice. Nor do we need to be economists to

criticize the philosophy of capitalism. But how many of us have a profit-minded

motive in annihilating an entire industry to protect the lucrative interests of

an institution with which we're affiliated. If Margie, along with the mainstream

media, knew any of the ugly history or current practices of Scientology, much of

which is readily available on the websites I previously listed, she and they

would not so willingly acccept it as a " religion " but instead condemn it for the

abominable scam it has always been and continues to be.

 

Peace,

David

 

Margie Roswell <mroswell wrote:

 

>I don't see anything hypocrtical about being part of a religious

>organization that opposes psychiatry, while being opposed to psychiatry.

>

>A hypocrite would be one who claimed one credo, but in practice violated

>it.

>

>Anyhow, the main reason I don't have psychiatric credentials is that I

>thought it was bologna, so to speak, and knew I'd never make it through

>their program.

>

>(I am sick of " credentials " being the filter through which the rest of us

>are not allowed to speak...)

>

>

>Marjorie Roswell

>3443 Guilford Terrace

>Baltimore, MD 21218

>mroswell

>410-467-3727

>RawFoodWiki.org

>50BushFlipFlops.org

>BaltimoreVillage.org

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Margie! Incredibly well said!

 

Blessings,

EliseMargie Roswell <mroswell wrote:

(I am sick of "credentials" being the filter through which the rest of us are not allowed to speak...)Marjorie Roswell3443 Guilford TerraceBaltimore, MD 21218mroswell410-467-3727RawFoodWiki.org50BushFlipFlops.orgBaltimoreVillage.org

[Guest guest]

Hello : I was interested in the discussion at hand, and at the same

time, I felt concern and want to say that I hope that we can agree to disagree

without saying things about members that could be interpreted as being

disrespectful, just because an opinion might vary from ours. I value the

diversity of ideas and the respect on .

 

I also went on line and went to the Scientology website and as well two websites

that expressed concern about Scientology and it's founder. I have never been to

a Scientology meeting - wasn't drawn to it - but I find the idea of cleansing

the subconscious mind for a more fulfilled lifestyle an idea that is not unique

to Scientology. In fact, I finally got to see What the Bleep and in terms of

discussing the brain function, I think the film is saying similar types of ideas

about the mind and healing of the mind.

 

I also read some rather disturbing things about L. Hubbard the founder of

Scientology. If the truth of his experience that helped him evolve to this

group leader is distorted so as to draw more people, eventually those kind of

publicity tricks, or efforts to control others wear thin. I've always been one

to explore for myself truth's that would help with my self development, or

rather self-less development. Sometimes it meant focusing on the truth being

expressed through a person and trusting that eventually that person (as all of

us do) would get beyond whatever is blocking light. When I've learned what I

needed, another teacher made themselves available to my awareness. There is a

book called the Psychology of Awakening which speaks to the importance of

focusing on personal development as physical (which includes examining what you

are eating and making important changes), mental/emotional (knowing and healing

emotional imbalances), and spiritual (engaging in your practices of choice to

become God-centered) so that when the position of power comes, a person does not

express distortion or project their imbalances upon others in their leadership

position. ...

 

I also want to speak in reference to Gary Null's appeal. Sounds like a great

film... I want to comment about medication as I am a therapist. My position

about medication has changed over the years. It is no longer an evil to me. I

was once strongly an advocate against prescribing medication for emotional

balance for any reason. I felt everyone should be vegan/vegetarian. My

position has changed. I do make available alternative resources for balancing.

I do talk about organic foods and foods with no dyes for children as it

influences kids behavior. At the same time, when a child has been in four

foster care homes (and I have encountered this situation alot) and they are

about to get taken to their fifth home because of their behavior, at this point

in my life, I ask the questions about what that child is eating, but in the

effort to keep that child from the experience of having to adjust to another

home, I refer that child to either a physician or to a psychiatrist who will

place that child on medication. Then, once the danger of that child getting

booted out of the home is lessened, I can work to support some of the other

changes that will make everyone healthy and get to the real root of why the

child is running around or bopping people. Later, we look again at the

medication, after some of the emotional issues have come to the surface. I have

to weigh the possibility of side effects from the meds (because I have never met

a foster parent who was willing to do essences, or herbs, etc., they just really

wanted the child who takes extra time out of their home) or having that child go

to another foster care situation (that may be 10 times worst than the previous

home), which if after hearing the kids tell of their lives, I make the choice to

keep them from having to move again. Today though, I have a display with

information about food dyes and behavior, and speak to foster care parents about

what they feed the children in their safe keeping. Most people don't know about

anything but Red Dye as a food poison. I thank for information about

resources. I believe today that prescribing medication is a person by person

situation, and at the same time, I am fully aware and condemn all of the many

corporations, in the name of profit, that promote health as their disguise.

Blessings, Ashtarra

[Guest guest]

Hello, Ashtara et al,

 

Thanks for your open-minded approach to this issue. I think anyone who might've

interpreted my remarks as disrespectful (if such a person exists on this list)

is just a tad immature, though I clearly don't want to inadvertently offend

anyone without reason. As far as Scientology's supposed interest in cleansing

the subconscience and realizing one's true self is concerned, the overriding

fact to bear in mind is that Lafayette Ron Hubbard exploited these noble goals

since he devised the notion of Dianetics and later Scientology in order to

deceptively raise millions of dollars in profits for himself and his wife (or

should I say wives), mainly for himself. His pseudo-religion is nothing more

than a product of his very warped science-fiction imagination, intertwined with

his lifelong commitment to utterly sacrilegious principles extolled by Aleister

Crowley, upon which Hubbard built his corporate empire. I fully respect and

appreciate any person or institution that truly believes in and actively works

toward these high-minded spiritual objectives. However, the bottom line is that

anyone who swears allegiance to an institution that self-evidently behaves as a

cult, let alone one that practices the most heinous elements of Satanism in its

pure form, cannot be trusted. This is exactly why I declare that Tom Cruise,

Mimi Rogers, Kelly Preston, John Travolta, Jenna Elfman, Kirstie Alley, Lisa

Marie and Priscilla Presley, along with every one of their celebrity and Sea Org

cronies, and every one of the well over 100 front group pseudo-charities and

companies working hand-in-hand with Scientology as business partners (just as

the Bush and bin Laden families have long been oil business partners) cannot be

trusted as intellectually honest sources of information on drugs, religion,

psychiatry, education, human rights or any other pertinent issue affecting our

society. If we don't trust Charles Manson, a long-time adherent of Scientology

(as Bugliosi explains in " Helter Skelter " as one of the 3 key motives for the

Tate-LaBianca murders along with the Beatles and Bible), based on his convicted

murderer status, then why should we trust Cruise, Travolta or any other die-hard

devotee of this cult? The message Cruise and other such cronies deliver is based

on the same ulterior motive, while seducing the general public, infatuated by

our celebrity culture, mostly have no clue or otherwise conveniently ignore the

true colors of Scientology as an illegal institution in its past, present and

future. I say illegal not only due to what they've done physically and

psychologically to their members, but equally due to the Hubbards' and the CoS's

recidivistic violation of federal tax laws, both in the U.S. and abroad, tax

evasion and racketeering among them, not to mention ongoing use of slave labor

from which Cruise has directly benefitted. This ulterior motive and the truth of

Scientology's commitment of the same and far worse offenses than it accuses

psychiatry is the essence of sheer hypocrisy, no matter how you slice it. (Human

slavery, contrary to popular belief, is alive and kicking in America, thanks to

our federal government's lax attitude toward Scientology.)

 

I also had the privilege of watching (most of) the film " What the Bleep Do We

Know " last night at Helen & Jeff Rose's raw vegan potluck in Mt. Airy, MD. The

Roses' point was to have a discussion afterward, though that apparently didn't

happen to the desired extent. I thought it was a very insightful film that

raises our consciousness to the level at which we realize our perception of

reality may not be what we believe. I was intrigued by certain elements clearly

borrowed from " The Matrix " such as asking Marlee Matlin how far down the rabbit

hole she's willing to go. Unlike anything I've ever read in Scientology

literature, this film is an  intellectually stimulating and academic exploration

of both the quantum physics discoveries and epistemology of our self-identies

and how we interpret the apparent environment in which we appear to exist,

alongside a covert parallel universe.

 

I'm also glad that Ashtara is a therapist so she can speak from professional

experience. Like her, I also was dead-set against the concept of prescribing

drugs for behavioral problems for a long time since becoming vegan over 11 years

ago, mainly due to the damage my asthma drugs were causing me throughout high

school, masking the underlying physiological problems and risking my life by the

many hidden side effects. I'm still very ambivalent about the potential benefits

alleged for psychoactive drugs, though I accept Matt Lauer's and certain others'

claims that it really helped their friends or relatives. As a principle, I

discourage anyone from taking drugs just as I don't myself if not absolutely a

matter of life and death, knowing the immorality and scientific fraud of

vivisection, as well as drugs' inherent violation of the Hippocratic Oath.

However, I know every individual case varies, so drugs may help in the

short-term in certain instances. I won't rule out their potential benefits, even

if they may sometimes drive someone so out of their minds that the side effects

alone may inspire someone to attempt suicide.

 

Thanks for your personal insight. Please remember that no one representing

Scientology has any authority whatsoever to accuse any medical professional of

abusing her/his patients while the " Church " of Scientology has directly induced

thousands of its former adherents to suicide. When such renegades try to become

independent, and are therefore labelled " Suppressive Persons, " especially if

they refuse to commit suicide, they have often been victims of conspiracies to

commit murder.

 

Please make a point of reading the data at

www.xenu.net

and particularly:

www.lisamcpherson.com (for a true story of one family's personal tragedy) so you

will all know the facts of which our government should be aware.

 

Peace,

David

 

ashtarra brissette <arcadiapress wrote:

 

>Hello :  I was interested in the discussion at hand, and at the same

time, I felt concern and want to say that I hope that we can agree to disagree

without saying things about members that  could be interpreted as being

disrespectful, just because an opinion might vary from ours.  I value the

diversity of ideas and the respect on .

[Guest guest]

thanks for reminding us not to be right, just to be ashtarra brissette <arcadiapress Sent: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:51:44 -0400 (EDT)Re: RE: Direct appeal from Gary Null

Hello : I was interested in the discussion at hand, and at the same time, I felt concern and want to say that I hope that we can agree to disagree without saying things about members that could be interpreted as being disrespectful, just because an opinion might vary from ours. I value the diversity of ideas and the respect on .