Guest guest Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Hi Lois, I'm originally from Grandview and make several trips a year to visit my folks. It would be fun to meet sometime. I'm not an expert on fluoridated water (only know enough to be opposed to it), but I will say that in my opinion the benefits of growing your own food exceed the risks even if the water you're using is not purified (although there certainly are possibilities to explore there -- how about a shower attachment?). I would venture to say that most of the food we eat is watered with chemically-laden water. I wonder if anyone knows whether part of the organic certification process involves verifying that only pure water was used on crops? In any event, I'd look into purifying the water you use but even if you can't I certainly wouldn't forego the opportunity to raise your own food. Nora www.RawSchool.com Lois Cole wrote: >Lois, from Yakima. >Say, I have this book, " World Without Cancer " by G. Edward Griffin. I bought in 2003 at Borders book store. I am concerned about fluoridated water and my vegetable garden. I have to water my garden with Yakima's now fluoridated water. On page 309 is reads, > " once it is absorbed into edible plants, it is converted into organic compounds such as fluoracetate or fluorcitrate which are at least five-hundred times more poisonous than the inorganic salt. This means that vegetables and fruits which have been irrigated by fluoridated water supplies could become potential killers. " >Foot note is , " K.A. Baird, M.D., op. cit., p. 4. " > >Want some input on this, because if this is true, then I best not plant any veggies. >Thanks, Lois > > > >Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 You can use barrels to try to collect rain water for irrigation. I don't know about Yakima but we certainly have a lot of rain in the Seattle area. Helen--Seattle - Lois Cole RawSeattle Friday, March 04, 2005 10:31 AM [RawSeattle] fluoride Lois, from Yakima. Say, I have this book, " World Without Cancer " by G. Edward Griffin. I bought in 2003 at Borders book store. I am concerned about fluoridated water and my vegetable garden. I have to water my garden with Yakima's now fluoridated water. On page 309 is reads, " once it is absorbed into edible plants, it is converted into organic compounds such as fluoracetate or fluorcitrate which are at least five-hundred times more poisonous than the inorganic salt. This means that vegetables and fruits which have been irrigated by fluoridated water supplies could become potential killers. " Foot note is , " K.A. Baird, M.D., op. cit., p. 4. " Want some input on this, because if this is true, then I best not plant any veggies. Thanks, Lois Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Hi Lois, There are ways to reduce or eliminate the use of irrigation water. There is a free online book about this located at www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0302hsted/030201/03020100frame.html " Gardening without Irrigation " by Steve Solomon 1993, 64pp printed in an 8.5x11 format Steve Solomon was living in a drier part of Oregon when he wrote the book. He has pictures of a guy growing carrots in southern Oregon without irrigation in a place that gets only a little more water than Yakima does. Some of the key techniques are: Increase plant spacing Increase absorption of water into the soil when it does rain Decrease evaporation from the soil with cultivation and/or mulch Use windbreaks to decrease evaporation from leaves and soil If its really hot, use midday partial sun shading These practices are particularly useful in places like the west coast of North America where more of the rain falls in the winter than in the summer. This is because all those feet of soil below the plant act like a big water sponge. So the basic idea is if the sponge soaks up more water than the plant and soil evaporation use, then the plant does fine without irrigation. " Permaculture: a Designers' Manual " by Bill Mollison also has information on dry climate vegetable gardening with reduced or no irrigation. Besides covering some of the same suggestions mentioned above, he also explains how to shape the ground so rain water soaks in where its needed the most. For example, if during heavy rains 2 " of rain ends up as runoff each year, and you concentrate this runoff from one acre onto a garden 100'x100' where it ponds until it soaks in, then this is like an additional 8 " of rain a year on that garden. Diverting all the water runoff from the gutters on a house onto a smaller garden would have a similar effect. Bill Mollison goes into detail on how people have grown vegetables in areas with 3 " of annual rainfall. The fresher the vegetables are, the bigger benefit there is in eating them raw. Since organic fruit is grown in the Yakima area, and fresh greens are lots more fragile than fresh fruit or root crops, a good compromise might be growing your own greens from water you can harvest from your own rainfall, and buying the fruit and roots crops. May your day be filled with clarity, grace, progress, and warm laughter, Roger - " Lois Cole " <loisc100 <RawSeattle > Friday, March 04, 2005 10:31 AM [RawSeattle] fluoride > > Lois, from Yakima. > Say, I have this book, " World Without Cancer " by G. Edward Griffin. I bought in 2003 at Borders book store. I am concerned about fluoridated water and my vegetable garden. I have to water my garden with Yakima's now fluoridated water. On page 309 is reads, > " once it is absorbed into edible plants, it is converted into organic compounds such as fluoracetate or fluorcitrate which are at least five-hundred times more poisonous than the inorganic salt. This means that vegetables and fruits which have been irrigated by fluoridated water supplies could become potential killers. " > Foot note is , " K.A. Baird, M.D., op. cit., p. 4. " > > Want some input on this, because if this is true, then I best not plant any veggies. > Thanks, Lois > > > > Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Nora, I've got a bike riding partner who's an organic inspector in this area. I'll ask him the water question and get back to you. We were on a long bike ride together last Summer and talked quite a bit about organic food and even visited a farm along the way, I'm not sure why I never thought to ask. For personal gardening you can collect rainwater, a collection system can be as simple as a tarp funneling into a barrel. See the RealGoods catalog for more complicated solutions. Nickolas Hein Morgantown WV - Nora Lenz RawSeattle Friday, March 04, 2005 1:55 PM Re: [RawSeattle] fluoride Hi Lois, I'm originally from Grandview and make several trips a year to visit my folks. It would be fun to meet sometime. I'm not an expert on fluoridated water (only know enough to be opposed to it), but I will say that in my opinion the benefits of growing your own food exceed the risks even if the water you're using is not purified (although there certainly are possibilities to explore there -- how about a shower attachment?). I would venture to say that most of the food we eat is watered with chemically-laden water. I wonder if anyone knows whether part of the organic certification process involves verifying that only pure water was used on crops? In any event, I'd look into purifying the water you use but even if you can't I certainly wouldn't forego the opportunity to raise your own food. Nora www.RawSchool.com Lois Cole wrote: >Lois, from Yakima. >Say, I have this book, " World Without Cancer " by G. Edward Griffin. I bought in 2003 at Borders book store. I am concerned about fluoridated water and my vegetable garden. I have to water my garden with Yakima's now fluoridated water. On page 309 is reads, > " once it is absorbed into edible plants, it is converted into organic compounds such as fluoracetate or fluorcitrate which are at least five-hundred times more poisonous than the inorganic salt. This means that vegetables and fruits which have been irrigated by fluoridated water supplies could become potential killers. " >Foot note is , " K.A. Baird, M.D., op. cit., p. 4. " > >Want some input on this, because if this is true, then I best not plant any veggies. >Thanks, Lois > > > >Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 It's quite expensive, but you can buy a water filter built to filter large flows of water. (See http://www.raindancewatersystems.com/watertreatment.html ) It would be interesting to know which locations in the U.S. supply flouridated water to the crops. I would guess that flouridation is only done in the U.S. (and maybe Canada), so any raw food from another country would not have this problem. Ron RawSeattle , Lois Cole <loisc100> wrote: > Lois, from Yakima. > Say, I have this book, " World Without Cancer " by G. Edward Griffin. I bought in 2003 at Borders book store. I am concerned about fluoridated water and my vegetable garden. I have to water my garden with Yakima's now fluoridated water. On page 309 is reads, > " once it is absorbed into edible plants, it is converted into organic compounds such as fluoracetate or fluorcitrate which are at least five-hundred times more poisonous than the inorganic salt. This means that vegetables and fruits which have been irrigated by fluoridated water supplies could become potential killers. " > Foot note is , " K.A. Baird, M.D., op. cit., p. 4. " > > Want some input on this, because if this is true, then I best not plant any veggies. > Thanks, Lois > > > > Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Since you just have a garden, an inexpensive home filtration system could be used to fill up buckets or gallon containers to water your garden. The industrial water filters are designed for large water use in farm applications. Ron Koenig RawSeattle , " Ron Koenig " <ron.koenig@v...> wrote: > > It's quite expensive, but you can buy a water filter built to filter > large flows of water. (See > http://www.raindancewatersystems.com/watertreatment.html ) > > It would be interesting to know which locations in the U.S. supply > flouridated water to the crops. I would guess that flouridation is > only done in the U.S. (and maybe Canada), so any raw food from > another country would not have this problem. > > Ron > > RawSeattle , Lois Cole <loisc100> wrote: > > Lois, from Yakima. > > Say, I have this book, " World Without Cancer " by G. Edward Griffin. > I bought in 2003 at Borders book store. I am concerned about > fluoridated water and my vegetable garden. I have to water my garden > with Yakima's now fluoridated water. On page 309 is reads, > > " once it is absorbed into edible plants, it is converted into > organic compounds such as fluoracetate or fluorcitrate which are at > least five-hundred times more poisonous than the inorganic salt. This > means that vegetables and fruits which have been irrigated by > fluoridated water supplies could become potential killers. " > > Foot note is , " K.A. Baird, M.D., op. cit., p. 4. " > > > > Want some input on this, because if this is true, then I best not > plant any veggies. > > Thanks, Lois > > > > > > > > Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Ah, but inexpensive filters do not filter flouride. I was told a reverse osmosis was the only way to get flouride out of your water. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 On 3/5/05 6:07 AM, " Shari Viger " <shavig wrote: > > Ah, but inexpensive filters do not filter flouride. I was told a reverse > osmosis was the only way to get flouride out of your water. > > Shari Not so. Distillation and deionization both remove flouride. See the Custom Pure site (they make the filters used for the bulk bottled water at PCC): http://www.custompure.com/ Stan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 I would love to meet you sometime. I am now on my 33rd day of 100% raw. Had been eating about 75% since last May.Yesterday I was on your wondeful website. Shared it with my friend from Ohio, she shared with a half dozen others. I could only reach your website by going through msn. would not bring it up. I am bummed out about the fluoride. At least we (husband & I & the cat) drink distilled water, using our distiller. And I do love home grown veggies where I use no chemicals. Thank for responding, and see you sometime, Lois Nora Lenz <nmlenz wrote: Hi Lois, I'm originally from Grandview and make several trips a year to visit my folks. It would be fun to meet sometime. I'm not an expert on fluoridated water (only know enough to be opposed to it), but I will say that in my opinion the benefits of growing your own food exceed the risks even if the water you're using is not purified (although there certainly are possibilities to explore there -- how about a shower attachment?). I would venture to say that most of the food we eat is watered with chemically-laden water. I wonder if anyone knows whether part of the organic certification process involves verifying that only pure water was used on crops? In any event, I'd look into purifying the water you use but even if you can't I certainly wouldn't forego the opportunity to raise your own food. Nora www.RawSchool.com Lois Cole wrote: >Lois, from Yakima. >Say, I have this book, " World Without Cancer " by G. Edward Griffin. I bought in 2003 at Borders book store. I am concerned about fluoridated water and my vegetable garden. I have to water my garden with Yakima's now fluoridated water. On page 309 is reads, > " once it is absorbed into edible plants, it is converted into organic compounds such as fluoracetate or fluorcitrate which are at least five-hundred times more poisonous than the inorganic salt. This means that vegetables and fruits which have been irrigated by fluoridated water supplies could become potential killers. " >Foot note is , " K.A. Baird, M.D., op. cit., p. 4. " > >Want some input on this, because if this is true, then I best not plant any veggies. >Thanks, Lois > > > >Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Who grows organic fruit in the Yakima area? Used to be an organic apple orchard in Moxee, but it was up for sale over a year ago. I can only hope we have more rain this summer, since we are having a winter drought. Thanks for your input, you always seem to have lots of good info. Lois Roger Padvorac <roger wrote: Hi Lois, There are ways to reduce or eliminate the use of irrigation water. There is a free online book about this located at www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0302hsted/030201/03020100frame.html " Gardening without Irrigation " by Steve Solomon 1993, 64pp printed in an 8.5x11 format Steve Solomon was living in a drier part of Oregon when he wrote the book. He has pictures of a guy growing carrots in southern Oregon without irrigation in a place that gets only a little more water than Yakima does. Some of the key techniques are: Increase plant spacing Increase absorption of water into the soil when it does rain Decrease evaporation from the soil with cultivation and/or mulch Use windbreaks to decrease evaporation from leaves and soil If its really hot, use midday partial sun shading These practices are particularly useful in places like the west coast of North America where more of the rain falls in the winter than in the summer. This is because all those feet of soil below the plant act like a big water sponge. So the basic idea is if the sponge soaks up more water than the plant and soil evaporation use, then the plant does fine without irrigation. " Permaculture: a Designers' Manual " by Bill Mollison also has information on dry climate vegetable gardening with reduced or no irrigation. Besides covering some of the same suggestions mentioned above, he also explains how to shape the ground so rain water soaks in where its needed the most. For example, if during heavy rains 2 " of rain ends up as runoff each year, and you concentrate this runoff from one acre onto a garden 100'x100' where it ponds until it soaks in, then this is like an additional 8 " of rain a year on that garden. Diverting all the water runoff from the gutters on a house onto a smaller garden would have a similar effect. Bill Mollison goes into detail on how people have grown vegetables in areas with 3 " of annual rainfall. The fresher the vegetables are, the bigger benefit there is in eating them raw. Since organic fruit is grown in the Yakima area, and fresh greens are lots more fragile than fresh fruit or root crops, a good compromise might be growing your own greens from water you can harvest from your own rainfall, and buying the fruit and roots crops. May your day be filled with clarity, grace, progress, and warm laughter, Roger - " Lois Cole " <loisc100 <RawSeattle > Friday, March 04, 2005 10:31 AM [RawSeattle] fluoride > > Lois, from Yakima. > Say, I have this book, " World Without Cancer " by G. Edward Griffin. I bought in 2003 at Borders book store. I am concerned about fluoridated water and my vegetable garden. I have to water my garden with Yakima's now fluoridated water. On page 309 is reads, > " once it is absorbed into edible plants, it is converted into organic compounds such as fluoracetate or fluorcitrate which are at least five-hundred times more poisonous than the inorganic salt. This means that vegetables and fruits which have been irrigated by fluoridated water supplies could become potential killers. " > Foot note is , " K.A. Baird, M.D., op. cit., p. 4. " > > Want some input on this, because if this is true, then I best not plant any veggies. > Thanks, Lois > > > > Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Does anyone know of a good place to get barrels for rain or gutter water collection? I am thinking we may have such serious drought this summer due to the lack of snow that we should all be thinking of how to water our gardens and landscapes with grey water. Janaki - " Helen " <helensy <RawSeattle > Friday, March 04, 2005 11:52 AM Re: [RawSeattle] fluoride > > You can use barrels to try to collect rain water for irrigation. I don't know about Yakima but we certainly have a lot of rain in the Seattle area. > > Helen--Seattle > - > Lois Cole > RawSeattle > Friday, March 04, 2005 10:31 AM > [RawSeattle] fluoride > > > Lois, from Yakima. > Say, I have this book, " World Without Cancer " by G. Edward Griffin. I bought in 2003 at Borders book store. I am concerned about fluoridated water and my vegetable garden. I have to water my garden with Yakima's now fluoridated water. On page 309 is reads, > " once it is absorbed into edible plants, it is converted into organic compounds such as fluoracetate or fluorcitrate which are at least five-hundred times more poisonous than the inorganic salt. This means that vegetables and fruits which have been irrigated by fluoridated water supplies could become potential killers. " > Foot note is , " K.A. Baird, M.D., op. cit., p. 4. " > > Want some input on this, because if this is true, then I best not plant any veggies. > Thanks, Lois > > > > Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Janaki, Check into this website, I found a place that discards plastic barrels that have been used for food or wine transport. I used them to make compost barrels. Be careful of your source though. Here in Morgantown the principal industry is the Mylan pharmaceutical company and they are the biggest source of barrels. A friend of mine who used one of their barrels washed it thoroughly 3 times before putting compost in it. If you don't know what the barrel was used for get one somewhere else, these barrels are also used to transport fuel and more toxic chemicals. The ones I got from IMEX had been used to transport Japanese rice wine. http://www.govlink.org/hazwaste/business/imex/browse.cfm I see they also have 59 gallon wine barrels from Columbia winery. I think these might be wood (oak?) for $30 ea. Nick Hein - " Janaki Rose " <janaki <RawSeattle > Saturday, March 05, 2005 2:57 PM Re: [RawSeattle] fluoride > > Does anyone know of a good place to get barrels for rain or gutter water > collection? I am thinking we may have such serious drought this summer due > to the lack of snow that we should all be thinking of how to water our > gardens and landscapes with grey water. > Janaki > - > " Helen " <helensy > <RawSeattle > > Friday, March 04, 2005 11:52 AM > Re: [RawSeattle] fluoride > > > > > > You can use barrels to try to collect rain water for irrigation. I don't > know about Yakima but we certainly have a lot of rain in the Seattle area. > > > > Helen--Seattle > > - > > Lois Cole > > RawSeattle > > Friday, March 04, 2005 10:31 AM > > [RawSeattle] fluoride > > > > > > Lois, from Yakima. > > Say, I have this book, " World Without Cancer " by G. Edward Griffin. I > bought in 2003 at Borders book store. I am concerned about fluoridated water > and my vegetable garden. I have to water my garden with Yakima's now > fluoridated water. On page 309 is reads, > > " once it is absorbed into edible plants, it is converted into organic > compounds such as fluoracetate or fluorcitrate which are at least > five-hundred times more poisonous than the inorganic salt. This means that > vegetables and fruits which have been irrigated by fluoridated water > supplies could become potential killers. " > > Foot note is , " K.A. Baird, M.D., op. cit., p. 4. " > > > > Want some input on this, because if this is true, then I best not plant > any veggies. > > Thanks, Lois > > > > > > > > Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Study Shows No Benefits In using Fluoride Toothpaste In the 1980s, the largest study ever was conducted on fluoridation and tooth decay. Data was taken from nearly 40,000 children of school age in 80+ areas around the United States. The statistics showed no significant difference between the rates of tooth decay in fluoridated and non-fluoridated cities. Also a study in the late 80's (1989) by the National Institute for Dental Research came to the conclusion that 12% of school children living in areas that were artificially fluoridated (at just 1 to 4 parts per million), developed dental fluorosis. This condition causes discoloration and weakening (brittling) of the teeth. How much advertising have you seen over the years that implies that fluoride is great for your pearly white smile! Fluoride Actually Weakens Tooth Enamel Fluoride is good for your teeth, that's what we are constantly being told. The truth is that extensive research has shown that rather than protecting our teeth, flouride may actually be weakening them. After years of adding flouride to toothpaste, mouthwash and drinking water, the rate of dental decay and cavities is on the increase, not decrease. This is a worrying indication that flouride is not the answer. For decades, children, teens and adults have been regularly brushing with flouride yet they still have poor dental health. Surely with the addition of fluoride, toothpastes should be protecting our teeth from cavities and decay. Fluoride May Also Be Poisoning Us At first glance, fluoride seems harmless enough. It is a naturally occurring element that has dental protection properties, right? Wrong, look at where fluoride comes from and you will soon begin to see the problem. It is a toxic waste by-product from the aluminum manufacturing process. Highly toxic with proven unwanted side effects. It is harmful to all animal life and is to be avoided at all costs. Fluoride is linked to 10,000 cancer deaths yearly. Fluoridation is also responsible for 40 million cases of arthritis, dental deformity in 8 million children and allergic reactions in 2 million people. - Dr. Dean Burke and Dr. John Yiamouyiannis, National Cancer Institute, USA, 1997 The Race To Forget Fluoride Recently, there has not been so much trumpet blowing about Fluoride and it fact it has been " down played " in most forms of commercial advertising. Educated consumers are learning of it's harmful and potential serious side-effects and turning to natural alternatives that do not harm teeth and health. This has left manufacturers desperate to avoid a " consumer revolt " which will mean " lost sales and profit " . As people in their thousands turn to natural alternatives, mainstream toothpaste manufacturers have wised up and are being forced to supply safe products, or go out of business. Think about it - when was the last time you heard a toothpaste advert singing the praises of fluoride? It simply doesn't happen anymore. So why is it that Fluoride is still the main " active " ingredient in most brands of toothpaste? Because in addition to water fluoridation, the toothpaste manufacturing industry is one of the biggest ways to dispose of a major problem. The highly toxic waste product, fluoride! This is a highly scandalous and dangerous practice but once you understand the plain facts, you begin to see why it happens. Fluoride is a highly toxic waste product that needs to be disposed of and humans are the way to dispose of it through toothpastes and mouthwash. The Best Solution Is a Healthy Approach The best solution to oral hygiene would be a natural one, free from alcohol, sodium lauryl sulphate and fluoride. Increasingly, responsible manufacturers are offering a complete range of dental products, specifically designed for families who want safe, yet powerful, dental care - from keeping cavities at bay and plaque under control to eliminating tooth decay and bad breath. Avoiding Fluoride containing products, especially oral ones, at all times is absolutely essential for long-term dental health and physical health. KJAY Health - August 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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