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In a message dated 4/26/03 7:42:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, swpgh01 writes:

started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want to eat.

 

 

you didn't start that thread here did you??

 

oh no..the dreaded "cat" thread...ok peter..you are excused..you don't have to read these

hahaha

(sorry, long story..)

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"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."~Abraham Lincoln~

 

Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, their pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be had 'round here.

 

Hugs to all,

 

'Chelle, et al

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/26/03 7:57:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, swpgh01 writes:

 

Fraggle, Fraggle, Fraggle,

What kind of name is that? do you live on a rock? (obscure childrens tv reference).

I am intrigued, tell me more.

 

come along and play

worries for another day

dance yer cares away

down on fraggle rock

*thump thump*

 

wot? its me name....

*scratches head*

*bounds away*

 

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Unless we teach them to wield the tin opener, not to mention teaching them to shop, then I can't see that we can avoid forcing a diet on an animal in our care, whatever that diet might be.

Viv

 

Chelle Whitaker [thefroggiestone]Saturday, April 26, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Digest Number 780

 

 

 

"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."~Abraham Lincoln~

 

Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, their pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be had 'round here.

 

Hugs to all,

 

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"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."~Abraham Lincoln~

 

He believes that the most selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, their pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat based foods! ;*)>

 

Then shouldn't the dogs be left to fend for themselves then you might find that they would probably go through rubbish bins etc eating vegan food (if there were no meat) instead of hunting birds rabbits etc.>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Chelle et all ( strange name ?!)

I started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my rescued

cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid just to find

out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want to eat. Even

though in one case she was so ill she had to be fed as she was too weak to feed

herself, i was still forcing this un natural ( who said that vegecat was

natural? ) food/ lifestyle on them. I was also told that I was wrong to keep

pets, again even though as I explained, they are free to come and go as they

please. I also do not believe in keeping pets and am dead against people who

breed animals for captivity, or having any animal guests unless you are saving a

life.

It only shows that not all vegans are tolerant/ well adjusted/ even dare I say

it humane!

What ever happened to peace love and happiness.

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Fraggle, Fraggle, Fraggle,

What kind of name is that? do you live on a rock? (obscure childrens tv

reference).

I am intrigued, tell me more...

> In a message dated 4/26/03 7:42:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

>swpgh01 writes:

> started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my

> rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid

> just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want

> to eat.

>

>

>you didn't start that thread here did you??

>

>oh no..the dreaded " cat " thread...ok peter..you are excused..you don't have

>to read these

>hahaha

>(sorry, long story..)

>fraggle

 

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Hi Fraggle

 

> you didn't start that thread here did you??

I'm pleased you said that, 'cos I was wondering how I'd missed the original post! :-)

 

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I don't see that it is cruel to feed an animal. It is better than not feeding it, and it is better to feed it a healthy diet than an unhealthy diet and the oldest known dog in the world is vegan.

 

Jo

 

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Unless we teach them to wield the tin opener, not to mention teaching them to shop, then I can't see that we can avoid forcing a diet on an animal in our care, whatever that diet might be.

Viv

 

Chelle Whitaker [thefroggiestone]Saturday, April 26, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Digest Number 780

 

 

 

"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."~Abraham Lincoln~

 

Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting in the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another, their pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you, he only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and meat based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be had 'round here.

 

Hugs to all,

 

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Hi Fraggle - I think you are right - we must be overspill again!

 

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In a message dated 4/26/03 7:42:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, swpgh01 writes:

started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want to eat.you didn't start that thread here did you??oh no..the dreaded "cat" thread...ok peter..you are excused..you don't have to read thesehahaha(sorry, long story..)fraggle

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We seem to be getting some emails after the answers have arrived!!

 

Anyway, with regard to the comment about vegans being tolerant - I have not

really found this to be the case. A large number of them are the most

prickly people that I have ever met.

 

Jo

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> Hi Chelle et all ( strange name ?!)

> I started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my

rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid

just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want

to eat. Even though in one case she was so ill she had to be fed as she was

too weak to feed herself, i was still forcing this un natural ( who said

that vegecat was natural? ) food/ lifestyle on them. I was also told that I

was wrong to keep pets, again even though as I explained, they are free to

come and go as they please. I also do not believe in keeping pets and am

dead against people who breed animals for captivity, or having any animal

guests unless you are saving a life.

> It only shows that not all vegans are tolerant/ well adjusted/ even dare I

say it humane!

> What ever happened to peace love and happiness.

> Loads of love from the valleys of South Wales to everyone....

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another, their pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever.

Mind you, he only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs

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Re: Digest Number 780

 

 

> I was condemmed for feeding my

> > rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid

> > just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they

want

> > to eat.>

 

I wonder if there are and cats that like vegecat.

 

S

> >

> >you didn't start that thread here did you??

> >

> >oh no..the dreaded " cat " thread...ok peter..you are excused..you don't

have

> >to read these

> >hahaha

> >(sorry, long story..)

> >fraggle

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I'm only prickly when someone who should know better bashes my veganism.

 

Danielle

 

 

 

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Re: Digest Number 780

Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:27:32 +0100

 

We seem to be getting some emails after the answers have arrived!!

 

Anyway, with regard to the comment about vegans being tolerant - I have not

really found this to be the case. A large number of them are the most

prickly people that I have ever met.

 

Jo

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> Hi Chelle et all ( strange name ?!)

> I started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for feeding my

rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n quid

just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what they want

to eat. Even though in one case she was so ill she had to be fed as she was

too weak to feed herself, i was still forcing this un natural ( who said

that vegecat was natural? ) food/ lifestyle on them. I was also told that I

was wrong to keep pets, again even though as I explained, they are free to

come and go as they please. I also do not believe in keeping pets and am

dead against people who breed animals for captivity, or having any animal

guests unless you are saving a life.

> It only shows that not all vegans are tolerant/ well adjusted/ even dare

I

say it humane!

> What ever happened to peace love and happiness.

> Loads of love from the valleys of South Wales to everyone....

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> >t

> " =0D

> >~Abraham Lincoln~=0D

> >=0D

> >Not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought this was interesting

in

> >the light of something my bf said a while ago. He believes that the most

> >selfish thing anyone could do would be to force their diet on another,

thei=

> >r

> >pet especially. Whether they are veggie, vegan, or whatever. Mind you,

he

> >only said it after I said I was cool with feeding the dogs meat, and

meat

> >based foods! ;*) - apart from anything else, there is nothing else to be

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I was not meaning you Danielle. Just saying that a lot of vegans are

prickly and have a holier than thou attitude.

 

Jo

 

> I'm only prickly when someone who should know better bashes my veganism.

 

 

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I for one don't have any pets either. I do however have a lovely

adopted furry son named Reno who's nationality is a Shepard/Chow mix.

He is my " first-born " and as much a member of this family as meself.

 

nikki :)

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, swpgh01@t... wrote:

> Hi Chelle et all ( strange name ?!)

> I started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for

feeding my rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing

out over 8n quid just to find out ( as many others have ) that

vegecat is not what they want to eat. Even though in one case she was

so ill she had to be fed as she was too weak to feed herself, i was

still forcing this un natural ( who said that vegecat was natural? )

food/ lifestyle on them. I was also told that I was wrong to keep

pets, again even though as I explained, they are free to come and go

as they please. I also do not believe in keeping pets and am dead

against people who breed animals for captivity, or having any animal

guests unless you are saving a life.

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Hi Jo!

 

I haev to agree! I have " met " some very self-righteous Vegans who can

do no wrong and see tunnel vision. I am glad I did not meet them

before I " met " all of you. Or I may have never sought out support!

 

nikki :)

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, " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote:

> We seem to be getting some emails after the answers have arrived!!

>

> Anyway, with regard to the comment about vegans being tolerant - I

have not

> really found this to be the case. A large number of them are the

most

> prickly people that I have ever met.

>

> Jo

> -

> <swpgh01@t...>

>

> Saturday, April 26, 2003 4:40 PM

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>

>

> > Hi Chelle et all ( strange name ?!)

> > I started a similar thread weeks back and I was condemmed for

feeding my

> rescued cats on commercial cat food rather than lashing out over 8n

quid

> just to find out ( as many others have ) that vegecat is not what

they want

> to eat. Even though in one case she was so ill she had to be fed as

she was

> too weak to feed herself, i was still forcing this un natural ( who

said

> that vegecat was natural? ) food/ lifestyle on them. I was also

told that I

> was wrong to keep pets, again even though as I explained, they are

free to

> come and go as they please. I also do not believe in keeping pets

and am

> dead against people who breed animals for captivity, or having any

animal

> guests unless you are saving a life.

> > It only shows that not all vegans are tolerant/ well adjusted/

even dare I

> say it humane!

> > What ever happened to peace love and happiness.

> > Loads of love from the valleys of South Wales to everyone....

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Tom said, " ... its good to learn what you're REALLY putting in your

body. My biggest surprise of all was that in most Jell-O packages they

use pig tallow to make it jell. "

 

I guess you didn't realize that Jell-O isn't vegetarian. Gelatin comes

from hooves and connective tissue of various animals. This sort of goes

back to the discussion (was it on this list or another of Pat's lists?)

about medicine in gelatin capsules.

 

There are some vegetarian gelling agents, usually from seaweed, like

agar - sometimes called agar-agar.

 

 

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Thanks, Maida. I wonder if we can say often enough: read the ingredients.

That is, if you care about what's in your food. For those who are just cutting

back on this or that or aiming for a semi health regime and/or trendy lifestyle

that just happens to coincide with some vegetarian pracitices, then hey, don't

bother. Those who are really trying, for whatever reason to avoid animal foods

have to read. Me? Oh I find it very very difficult - and so does my optometrist.

Indeed I remember the days when ingredients didn't have to be listed on

packages - it was all a secret formula, you know? LOL But now,'tis different.

They're there in fine print. I use a pocket magnifier - but I do it with a great

deal

of dash and style, I assure you <grin>

 

Pat

 

 

 

, " Maidawg " <maidawg@c...>

wrote:

> Tom said, " ... its good to learn what you're REALLY putting in your

> body. My biggest surprise of all was that in most Jell-O packages they

> use pig tallow to make it jell. "

>

> I guess you didn't realize that Jell-O isn't vegetarian. Gelatin comes

> from hooves and connective tissue of various animals. This sort of goes

> back to the discussion (was it on this list or another of Pat's lists?)

> about medicine in gelatin capsules.

>

> There are some vegetarian gelling agents, usually from seaweed, like

> agar - sometimes called agar-agar.

>

>

> from Maida

> Citizens for Pets in Condos, http://www.petsincondos.org

> South Florida Vegetarian Events, http://www.soflavegevents.net

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there are monthly Raw events...check out meetup.com

and the chicago group will have lots of info.

I live in NW Indiana and have attended a couple of

these---very nice

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