Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 We know logically and scientifically, that a low fat vegan diet of uncooked fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds, is the only way to achieve great health and well being. Any of us who has been a part of this movement for even a few month, will have witnessed great results on themselves, family members and friends. We have seen enough evidence to feel confident that the raw food diet is the answer to all issues of health pollution, scarcity of food and resources and peaceful existence on this planet with all of godÕs creation. Even as we are aware of all of the above, our addict ion to cooked food, and living in a cooked world, sometime, or often sidetrack us and prevent us from achieving our health goals. Mastery of raw food preparation is essential for a successful transition, and maintenance of raw lifestyle. Without being able to provide a break from the monotony of fruits and salads, without being able to entertain our friends and family, without being able to celebrate holidays and have parties, many of us will oscillate between raw and cooked for a long time, delaying healing and well being, and frustrating and confusing us in the process. Jackie Graff has received a unique talent, she creates wonderful, delicious raw food. Her dishes are simple to make, without too many ingredients, and the results are always great. All of her recipes have been tested in her ÒSprout CafŽÓ by thousands of customers, have been made by thousands of people who took her classes, and bought her recipe books. Jackie and GideonÕs two days class is offered twice a month, in Atlanta, GA and In Shelby, SC. In only two days, students learn the principal of organization, preparation, shopping and serving over 50 great recipes, from simple easy to make soups, smoothies, to more complicated and gourmet holiday and ethnic cuisine. Many students, who took the GraffÕs two days seminar, were able to start their own raw businesses, and minister and educate other people in their communities. There are but a few places to go and learn serious raw food preparation. All of them charge from $800 - $2000 or more for less knowledge and recipes than you will master at the GraffÕs class, for only $300 per person or $500 for a couple, making it the absolute best value for raw food education in the nation. Hallelujah Acres, is an international organization, promoting raw lifestyle for Christians and the world, from a biblical perspective based on Genesis 1:29. Two years ago, the opened their culinary academy, and invited the GraffÕs to teach the two days seminar, after reviewing most raw teachers in the country, and deciding that Jackie and Gideon are the best. Praises for the class by students are too numerous to count, and most represented by the comment Òthis is the best money I ever spentÓ, but we like to let you know what students complained about: When asked " What did you like the list about the course? " Students answered: Nothing...? So much food, too little time to eat..? That Jackie and Gideon cannot come home with me...? Too short - not really, but I hate to leave. You lived up to my expectations!? I could only eat so much...? Don't mess with perfection..? That is was not longer, because I had and excellent time...? None, it was perfect, great teachers, lots of information...? Absolutely nothing, everything was great...? Excellent class. don't change a thing... In the rest of 2006 we will teach the two days seminar at the following dates: In Shelby NC: September 22 and 23 October 10 and 11 November 20 and 21 January 26 and 27 There are a wide variety of hotels, motels and camping near by. In Atlanta, GA: September 16 and 17 October 28 and 29 November 11 and 12 Students from out of town, who take the class in Atlanta, can stay in a guest room in our place for $25 per night, and we will include transportation from and to the train connecting to the Atlanta airport. We also include a raw dinner on Friday night. For more information, please email me at gideongraff@charter,net or call me at 770 992-9218 Thank you, Gideon Graff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Hello Gideon, I would like to respond to your e-mail. Since this is a public forum, I think it is important to be balanced about what we convey to everyone concerning the benefits of a raw vegan lifestyle as compared to other ways of eating. I would like to offer my thoughts in an effort to appreciate the variety that exists among the health concerned community of raw foodists and vegans. While eating a " low fat vegan diet of uncooked fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds " may be one of the best approaches to eating, it is not the " only way " to achieve great health and well being. I think it is important to be mindful of other approaches while still adhering to raw veganism if that is your path. There are many ways to achieve great health and well being and people are doing just that in a variety of ways in the context of their own experiences and learning. The impact of various spiritual practices, meditation, prayer, and affirmation on well being is signifcant and many regard it as much more important than being raw. The impact of regular exercise and activities is also very significant. Perhaps most of all is the change in attitude and awareness that accompanies a vegan way of life. Nutrition comes in many forms to produce abundant health. Many have great success by simply eliminating sugar for instance. Others find that eliminating dairy is very significant, while others still feel that raw leafy greens and vegetables are the only things to eat. Many raw foodists disagree about how to go about achieving perfect health. Some blend foods, some adhere to living sprouted foods, some advocate fruit, or superfoods. For instance, many raw foodists disagree about using dehydrated foods, various oils, unsprouted nuts, and sugary fruits for instance. In fact, it seems that one can encounter the same problems on a raw diet as someone does on a vegetarian or SAD diet. Too much sugar, too much acid, not enough greens and so on can cause problems whether one is raw vegan or cooked. While I appreciate your enthusiasm and information, I disagree with some of the statements you are making. Saying raw veganism is the " only way to achieve health " can be a little misguiding considering all of the complex elements in a raw vegan diet, and considering the success many have on a regular vegan or vegetarian diet. I know some who even have success eating some animal products, combined with a diet of mostly leafy greens, cooked whole grains, and limited dairy. Their diet along with exercise and spirituality work for them. I personally do not advocate animal products, but I just use this example to show how other approaches can work for some people. Given the subject line of your e-mail, " The Facts About Raw Food Education, " you may want to consider others when talking to all of us about the best way to achieve perfect health. Respectfully, Michael , " Gideon Graff " <gideongraff wrote: > > We know logically and scientifically, that a low fat vegan diet of uncooked fruits, > vegetables, nuts and seeds, is the only way to achieve great health and well being. Any of > us who has been a part of this movement for even a few month, will have witnessed great > results on themselves, family members and friends. We have seen enough evidence to feel > confident that the raw food diet is the answer to all issues of health pollution, scarcity of > food and resources and peaceful existence on this planet with all of godÕs creation. > > Even as we are aware of all of the above, our addict ion to cooked food, and living in a > cooked world, sometime, or often sidetrack us and prevent us from achieving our health > goals. > > Mastery of raw food preparation is essential for a successful transition, and maintenance > of raw lifestyle. Without being able to provide a break from the monotony of fruits and > salads, without being able to entertain our friends and family, without being able to > celebrate holidays and have parties, many of us will oscillate between raw and cooked for > a long time, delaying healing and well being, and frustrating and confusing us in the > process. > > Jackie Graff has received a unique talent, she creates wonderful, delicious raw food. Her > dishes are simple to make, without too many ingredients, and the results are always great. > All of her recipes have been tested in her ÒSprout CafŽÓ by thousands of customers, have > been made by thousands of people who took her classes, and bought her recipe books. > > Jackie and GideonÕs two days class is offered twice a month, in Atlanta, GA and In Shelby, > SC. In only two days, students learn the principal of organization, preparation, shopping > and serving over 50 great recipes, from simple easy to make soups, smoothies, to more > complicated and gourmet holiday and ethnic cuisine. > > Many students, who took the GraffÕs two days seminar, were able to start their own raw > businesses, and minister and educate other people in their communities. > > There are but a few places to go and learn serious raw food preparation. All of them > charge from $800 - $2000 or more for less knowledge and recipes than you will master at > the GraffÕs class, for only $300 per person or $500 for a couple, making it the absolute > best value for raw food education in the nation. > > Hallelujah Acres, is an international organization, promoting raw lifestyle for Christians > and the world, from a biblical perspective based on Genesis 1:29. Two years ago, the > opened their culinary academy, and invited the GraffÕs to teach the two days seminar, after > reviewing most raw teachers in the country, and deciding that Jackie and Gideon are the > best. > > Praises for the class by students are too numerous to count, and most represented by the > comment Òthis is the best money I ever spentÓ, but we like to let you know what students > complained about: > When asked " What did you like the list about the course? " Students answered: Nothing...? > So much food, too little time to eat..? > That Jackie and Gideon cannot come home with me...? > Too short - not really, but I hate to leave. You lived up to my expectations!? > I could only eat so much...? > Don't mess with perfection..? > That is was not longer, because I had and excellent time...? > None, it was perfect, great teachers, lots of information...? > Absolutely nothing, everything was great...? > Excellent class. don't change a thing... > > In the rest of 2006 we will teach the two days seminar at the following dates: > > In Shelby NC: > > September 22 and 23 > October 10 and 11 > November 20 and 21 > January 26 and 27 > > There are a wide variety of hotels, motels and camping near by. > > In Atlanta, GA: > September 16 and 17 > October 28 and 29 > November 11 and 12 > > Students from out of town, who take the class in Atlanta, can stay in a guest room in our > place for $25 per night, and we will include transportation from and to the train > connecting to the Atlanta airport. We also include a raw dinner on Friday night. > > For more information, please email me at gideongraff@charter,net or call me at 770 > 992-9218 > > Thank you, > > Gideon Graff > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 well stated... we have all different places of growth and transition on this spiritual plane and at this physical place and time... Some of us may not even have diet changes in this particular life experience... What's right for me, does not come from making everything else wrong. Mark > " bossalingo " <bossalingo > > > Re: Facts About Raw Food Education >Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:16:36 -0000 > >Hello Gideon, > >I would like to respond to your e-mail. Since this is a public forum, I >think it is important >to be balanced about what we convey to everyone concerning the benefits of >a raw vegan >lifestyle as compared to other ways of eating. I would like to offer my >thoughts in an >effort to appreciate the variety that exists among the health concerned >community of raw >foodists and vegans. > >While eating a " low fat vegan diet of uncooked fruits, vegetables, nuts and >seeds " may be >one of the best approaches to eating, it is not the " only way " to achieve >great health and >well being. I think it is important to be mindful of other approaches >while still adhering to >raw veganism if that is your path. There are many ways to achieve great >health and well >being and people are doing just that in a variety of ways in the context of >their own >experiences and learning. > >The impact of various spiritual practices, meditation, prayer, and >affirmation on well being >is signifcant and many regard it as much more important than being raw. >The impact of >regular exercise and activities is also very significant. Perhaps most of >all is the change in >attitude and awareness that accompanies a vegan way of life. > >Nutrition comes in many forms to produce abundant health. Many have great >success by >simply eliminating sugar for instance. Others find that eliminating dairy >is very significant, >while others still feel that raw leafy greens and vegetables are the only >things to eat. >Many raw foodists disagree about how to go about achieving perfect health. >Some blend >foods, some adhere to living sprouted foods, some advocate fruit, or >superfoods. For >instance, many raw foodists disagree about using dehydrated foods, various >oils, >unsprouted nuts, and sugary fruits for instance. In fact, it seems that >one can encounter >the same problems on a raw diet as someone does on a vegetarian or SAD >diet. Too much >sugar, too much acid, not enough greens and so on can cause problems >whether one is >raw vegan or cooked. > >While I appreciate your enthusiasm and information, I disagree with some of >the >statements you are making. Saying raw veganism is the " only way to achieve >health " can >be a little misguiding considering all of the complex elements in a raw >vegan diet, and >considering the success many have on a regular vegan or vegetarian diet. > >I know some who even have success eating some animal products, combined >with a diet of >mostly leafy greens, cooked whole grains, and limited dairy. Their diet >along with exercise >and spirituality work for them. I personally do not advocate animal >products, but I just >use this example to show how other approaches can work for some people. > >Given the subject line of your e-mail, " The Facts About Raw Food >Education, " you may >want to consider others when talking to all of us about the best way to >achieve perfect >health. > >Respectfully, > >Michael > > > > , " Gideon Graff " <gideongraff wrote: > > > > We know logically and scientifically, that a low fat vegan diet of >uncooked fruits, > > vegetables, nuts and seeds, is the only way to achieve great health and >well being. Any >of > > us who has been a part of this movement for even a few month, will have >witnessed >great > > results on themselves, family members and friends. We have seen enough >evidence to >feel > > confident that the raw food diet is the answer to all issues of health >pollution, scarcity of > > food and resources and peaceful existence on this planet with all of >godÕs creation. > > > > Even as we are aware of all of the above, our addict ion to cooked food, >and living in a > > cooked world, sometime, or often sidetrack us and prevent us from >achieving our health > > goals. > > > > Mastery of raw food preparation is essential for a successful >transition, and maintenance > > of raw lifestyle. Without being able to provide a break from the >monotony of fruits and > > salads, without being able to entertain our friends and family, without >being able to > > celebrate holidays and have parties, many of us will oscillate between >raw and cooked >for > > a long time, delaying healing and well being, and frustrating and >confusing us in the > > process. > > > > Jackie Graff has received a unique talent, she creates wonderful, >delicious raw food. Her > > dishes are simple to make, without too many ingredients, and the results >are always >great. > > All of her recipes have been tested in her ÒSprout CafŽÓ by thousands of >customers, >have > > been made by thousands of people who took her classes, and bought her >recipe books. > > > > Jackie and GideonÕs two days class is offered twice a month, in Atlanta, >GA and In >Shelby, > > SC. In only two days, students learn the principal of organization, >preparation, shopping > > and serving over 50 great recipes, from simple easy to make soups, >smoothies, to more > > complicated and gourmet holiday and ethnic cuisine. > > > > Many students, who took the GraffÕs two days seminar, were able to start >their own raw > > businesses, and minister and educate other people in their communities. > > > > There are but a few places to go and learn serious raw food preparation. >All of them > > charge from $800 - $2000 or more for less knowledge and recipes than you >will master >at > > the GraffÕs class, for only $300 per person or $500 for a couple, making >it the absolute > > best value for raw food education in the nation. > > > > Hallelujah Acres, is an international organization, promoting raw >lifestyle for Christians > > and the world, from a biblical perspective based on Genesis 1:29. Two >years ago, the > > opened their culinary academy, and invited the GraffÕs to teach the two >days seminar, >after > > reviewing most raw teachers in the country, and deciding that Jackie and >Gideon are the > > best. > > > > Praises for the class by students are too numerous to count, and most >represented by >the > > comment Òthis is the best money I ever spentÓ, but we like to let you >know what >students > > complained about: > > When asked " What did you like the list about the course? " Students >answered: >Nothing...? > > So much food, too little time to eat..? > > That Jackie and Gideon cannot come home with me...? > > Too short - not really, but I hate to leave. You lived up to my >expectations!? > > I could only eat so much...? > > Don't mess with perfection..? > > That is was not longer, because I had and excellent time...? > > None, it was perfect, great teachers, lots of information...? > > Absolutely nothing, everything was great...? > > Excellent class. don't change a thing... > > > > In the rest of 2006 we will teach the two days seminar at the following >dates: > > > > In Shelby NC: > > > > September 22 and 23 > > October 10 and 11 > > November 20 and 21 > > January 26 and 27 > > > > There are a wide variety of hotels, motels and camping near by. > > > > In Atlanta, GA: > > September 16 and 17 > > October 28 and 29 > > November 11 and 12 > > > > Students from out of town, who take the class in Atlanta, can stay in a >guest room in our > > place for $25 per night, and we will include transportation from and to >the train > > connecting to the Atlanta airport. We also include a raw dinner on >Friday night. > > > > For more information, please email me at gideongraff@charter,net or call >me at 770 > > 992-9218 > > > > Thank you, > > > > Gideon Graff > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Thank you. Your statement is wonderful. I feel to many of us get stuck and become judgemental in our experiences. Bless you. Peace and Love. Omushaho > " bossalingo " <bossalingo > > > Re: Facts About Raw Food Education >Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:16:36 -0000 > >Hello Gideon, > >I would like to respond to your e-mail. Since this is a public forum, I >think it is important >to be balanced about what we convey to everyone concerning the benefits of >a raw vegan >lifestyle as compared to other ways of eating. I would like to offer my >thoughts in an >effort to appreciate the variety that exists among the health concerned >community of raw >foodists and vegans. > >While eating a " low fat vegan diet of uncooked fruits, vegetables, nuts and >seeds " may be >one of the best approaches to eating, it is not the " only way " to achieve >great health and >well being. I think it is important to be mindful of other approaches >while still adhering to >raw veganism if that is your path. There are many ways to achieve great >health and well >being and people are doing just that in a variety of ways in the context of >their own >experiences and learning. > >The impact of various spiritual practices, meditation, prayer, and >affirmation on well being >is signifcant and many regard it as much more important than being raw. >The impact of >regular exercise and activities is also very significant. Perhaps most of >all is the change in >attitude and awareness that accompanies a vegan way of life. > >Nutrition comes in many forms to produce abundant health. Many have great >success by >simply eliminating sugar for instance. Others find that eliminating dairy >is very significant, >while others still feel that raw leafy greens and vegetables are the only >things to eat. >Many raw foodists disagree about how to go about achieving perfect health. >Some blend >foods, some adhere to living sprouted foods, some advocate fruit, or >superfoods. For >instance, many raw foodists disagree about using dehydrated foods, various >oils, >unsprouted nuts, and sugary fruits for instance. In fact, it seems that >one can encounter >the same problems on a raw diet as someone does on a vegetarian or SAD >diet. Too much >sugar, too much acid, not enough greens and so on can cause problems >whether one is >raw vegan or cooked. > >While I appreciate your enthusiasm and information, I disagree with some of >the >statements you are making. Saying raw veganism is the " only way to achieve >health " can >be a little misguiding considering all of the complex elements in a raw >vegan diet, and >considering the success many have on a regular vegan or vegetarian diet. > >I know some who even have success eating some animal products, combined >with a diet of >mostly leafy greens, cooked whole grains, and limited dairy. Their diet >along with exercise >and spirituality work for them. I personally do not advocate animal >products, but I just >use this example to show how other approaches can work for some people. > >Given the subject line of your e-mail, " The Facts About Raw Food >Education, " you may >want to consider others when talking to all of us about the best way to >achieve perfect >health. > >Respectfully, > >Michael > > > > , " Gideon Graff " <gideongraff wrote: > > > > We know logically and scientifically, that a low fat vegan diet of >uncooked fruits, > > vegetables, nuts and seeds, is the only way to achieve great health and >well being. Any >of > > us who has been a part of this movement for even a few month, will have >witnessed >great > > results on themselves, family members and friends. We have seen enough >evidence to >feel > > confident that the raw food diet is the answer to all issues of health >pollution, scarcity of > > food and resources and peaceful existence on this planet with all of >godÕs creation. > > > > Even as we are aware of all of the above, our addict ion to cooked food, >and living in a > > cooked world, sometime, or often sidetrack us and prevent us from >achieving our health > > goals. > > > > Mastery of raw food preparation is essential for a successful >transition, and maintenance > > of raw lifestyle. Without being able to provide a break from the >monotony of fruits and > > salads, without being able to entertain our friends and family, without >being able to > > celebrate holidays and have parties, many of us will oscillate between >raw and cooked >for > > a long time, delaying healing and well being, and frustrating and >confusing us in the > > process. > > > > Jackie Graff has received a unique talent, she creates wonderful, >delicious raw food. Her > > dishes are simple to make, without too many ingredients, and the results >are always >great. > > All of her recipes have been tested in her ÒSprout CafŽÓ by thousands of >customers, >have > > been made by thousands of people who took her classes, and bought her >recipe books. > > > > Jackie and GideonÕs two days class is offered twice a month, in Atlanta, >GA and In >Shelby, > > SC. In only two days, students learn the principal of organization, >preparation, shopping > > and serving over 50 great recipes, from simple easy to make soups, >smoothies, to more > > complicated and gourmet holiday and ethnic cuisine. > > > > Many students, who took the GraffÕs two days seminar, were able to start >their own raw > > businesses, and minister and educate other people in their communities. > > > > There are but a few places to go and learn serious raw food preparation. >All of them > > charge from $800 - $2000 or more for less knowledge and recipes than you >will master >at > > the GraffÕs class, for only $300 per person or $500 for a couple, making >it the absolute > > best value for raw food education in the nation. > > > > Hallelujah Acres, is an international organization, promoting raw >lifestyle for Christians > > and the world, from a biblical perspective based on Genesis 1:29. Two >years ago, the > > opened their culinary academy, and invited the GraffÕs to teach the two >days seminar, >after > > reviewing most raw teachers in the country, and deciding that Jackie and >Gideon are the > > best. > > > > Praises for the class by students are too numerous to count, and most >represented by >the > > comment Òthis is the best money I ever spentÓ, but we like to let you >know what >students > > complained about: > > When asked " What did you like the list about the course? " Students >answered: >Nothing...? > > So much food, too little time to eat..? > > That Jackie and Gideon cannot come home with me...? > > Too short - not really, but I hate to leave. You lived up to my >expectations!? > > I could only eat so much...? > > Don't mess with perfection..? > > That is was not longer, because I had and excellent time...? > > None, it was perfect, great teachers, lots of information...? > > Absolutely nothing, everything was great...? > > Excellent class. don't change a thing... > > > > In the rest of 2006 we will teach the two days seminar at the following >dates: > > > > In Shelby NC: > > > > September 22 and 23 > > October 10 and 11 > > November 20 and 21 > > January 26 and 27 > > > > There are a wide variety of hotels, motels and camping near by. > > > > In Atlanta, GA: > > September 16 and 17 > > October 28 and 29 > > November 11 and 12 > > > > Students from out of town, who take the class in Atlanta, can stay in a >guest room in our > > place for $25 per night, and we will include transportation from and to >the train > > connecting to the Atlanta airport. We also include a raw dinner on >Friday night. > > > > For more information, please email me at gideongraff@charter,net or call >me at 770 > > 992-9218 > > > > Thank you, > > > > Gideon Graff > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Gideon, With all due respect, your use of the words " only " and " every " concern me as a member of this forum. Saying that " only 100 percent effort can produce a 100 percent result " is a limiting and potentially alienating statement. It is also a statement that is not entirely true. As a matter of fact, I find that just a little effort can produce dramatic results, especially on a raw vegan diet. For instance, when I exercised on the SAD diet, I gave so much effort trying to get in shape and become strong, but it did not produce the desired results. On a raw diet, if I take a walk around the park, or lift some wieghts, or go for a short run, I see immediate results. The body responds instantly to any small amount of effort on a raw vegan diet. Quality of life is greatly improved when we do whatever small amount we can in order to help the process along. A raw vegan diet can open the door to experiencing life in a fuller way without so much effort allowing us to live simply in order to simply live. Nature is an amazing force in itself. We only need to plant the seed and tend it to produce amazing things. Our bodies are the same in my opinion. A little effort and help can go a long way. The body is self healing, ever growing, and life giving; always ready to transform into whatever we need. A raw vegan diet can help make those changes readily accessible and effortless, but it is only one factor. I think about others on this forum, many of which are new to the raw vegan world. Your words create a scenario that can make others feel ashamed for not giving 100 percent effort, as though they will not succeed unless they give 100 percent. As if they will never transform unless they try as hard as they can. I acknowledge the value of doing something with complete devotion. The best way to feel the effects of a dietary change is to commit totally. But when the mind is settled, and the body feels the change happening, then effort falls away. Yes, transformation can be effortless when acceptance and awareness is present. Someone may choose to give great effort to something in order to change it only to find that it wil not budge, even with all the trying. But if they accept change in their heart, then even the biggest obstacle has no choice but to move. To say that only a " low fat vegan diet " will produce results is another limiting statement that is simply not true. Many have great success with a high fat raw vegan diet, especially those who train, lift wieghts, and participate in sports. Lots of coconut, avocado, durian, olives, legumes and nuts combined with a large percentage of leafy greens, vegetables and fruit can be essential for building muscle mass and strength. Peace> Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Folks, the point of a forum is to share your opinion. We each are naturally going to believe our view is best or we wouldn't have it. This is, after all, a RAW soul group and I believe the point of it's existence is to help us all STAY eating RAW. Anyone who comes to the site should assume that is the prevalent view. I agree with Gideon, but understand that not all people want that, and that is FINE. My husband is not even vegetarian, but eats lots of fruits and veggies and stays it good shape. I would simply ask us to respect one another and release any judgments that everyone has to believe a certain way. THANKS. Nancy Parlette HEALTHY LIVING STRATEGIES Natural Health Counselor Nutrition Educator ENERGIZING YOU FOR LIVING! (410) 531-2410 http://www.healthylivingstrategies.net/ On Behalf Of bossalingoSunday, August 27, 2006 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Facts About Raw Food Education Gideon,With all due respect, your use of the words "only" and "every" concern me as a member of this forum. Saying that "only 100 percent effort can produce a 100 percent result" is a limiting and potentially alienating statement. It is also a statement that is not entirely true. As a matter of fact, I find that just a little effort can produce dramatic results, especially on a raw vegan diet. For instance, when I exercised on the SAD diet, I gave so much effort trying to get in shape and become strong, but it did not produce the desired results. On a raw diet, if I take a walk around the park, or lift some wieghts, or go for a short run, I see immediate results. The body responds instantly to any small amount of effort on a raw vegan diet. Quality of life is greatly improved when we do whatever small amount we can in order to help the process along. A raw vegan diet can open the door to experiencing life in a fuller way without so much effort allowing us to live simply in order to simply live. Nature is an amazing force in itself. We only need to plant the seed and tend it to produce amazing things. Our bodies are the same in my opinion. A little effort and help can go a long way. The body is self healing, ever growing, and life giving; always ready to transform into whatever we need. A raw vegan diet can help make those changes readily accessible and effortless, but it is only one factor. I think about others on this forum, many of which are new to the raw vegan world. Your words create a scenario that can make others feel ashamed for not giving 100 percent effort, as though they will not succeed unless they give 100 percent. As if they will never transform unless they try as hard as they can. I acknowledge the value of doing something with complete devotion. The best way to feel the effects of a dietary change is to commit totally. But when the mind is settled, and the body feels the change happening, then effort falls away. Yes, transformation can be effortless when acceptance and awareness is present. Someone may choose to give great effort to something in order to change it only to find that it wil not budge, even with all the trying. But if they accept change in their heart, then even the biggest obstacle has no choice but to move. To say that only a "low fat vegan diet" will produce results is another limiting statement that is simply not true. Many have great success with a high fat raw vegan diet, especially those who train, lift wieghts, and participate in sports. Lots of coconut, avocado, durian, olives, legumes and nuts combined with a large percentage of leafy greens, vegetables and fruit can be essential for building muscle mass and strength. Peace>Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Thanks Nancy. You are right. It is about support. I am sorry for belaboring the point. Being RAW and healthy is what its all about! But the notion that we all " naturally think our view is best " does not mean we should endeavor to present it as such to everyone in the group. This kind of thinking runs rampant in the raw community; the notion that there is one way that is the best and all other approaches fall short. Gideon's e-mail had a tone of saying, " you must do a certain thing in order to be successfully raw " and " being raw requires 100 percent effort. " I had to chime in and say that this is an absolutely incorrect notion. Being raw can be effortless and pleasurable and does not require much skill at all. It can be a very simple lifestyle, and it can be done many ways for a variety of reasons. I feel that a lot of the " adds " and informative e-mails on RAWSOUL are often not sensitive to the fact that we all go about being raw in different ways which are each equally valuable. I feel that many act like they are experts on how to be raw, or there is this implication that they have found the answer and that everyone should do this " one " thing or fail. This kind of information is damaging to the person seeking support for the raw lifestyle. Sorry to cite Gideon's e-mail. I just suddenly got fed up with some of the content I see circulating. Actually, it sounds like he is doing great work! But I am so tired of people throwing around words like " always " and " every " and " only " without regard for the meaning these words may have for the audience. Michael Many viewpoints are p. , <pnparlette wrote: > > Folks, the point of a forum is to share your opinion. We each are > naturally going to believe our view is best or we wouldn't have it. > This is, after all, a RAW soul group and I believe the point of it's > existence is to help us all STAY eating RAW. Anyone who comes to the > site should assume that is the prevalent view. I agree with Gideon, but > understand that not all people want that, and that is FINE. My husband > is not even vegetarian, but eats lots of fruits and veggies and stays it > good shape. I would simply ask us to respect one another and release > any judgments that everyone has to believe a certain way. > THANKS. > > > > Nancy Parlette > HEALTHY LIVING STRATEGIES > Natural Health Counselor > Nutrition Educator > ENERGIZING YOU FOR LIVING! > > (410) 531-2410 > http://www.healthylivingstrategies.net/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 I hear ya and understand. I'm all for encouraging one another to move forward in health from where ever we are, to where ever we want to go :-) N. Nancy Parlette HEALTHY LIVING STRATEGIES Natural Health Counselor Nutrition Educator ENERGIZING YOU FOR LIVING! (410) 531-2410 http://www.healthylivingstrategies.net/ On Behalf Of bossalingoMonday, August 28, 2006 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Facts About Raw Food Education Thanks Nancy. You are right. It is about support. I am sorry for belaboring the point. Being RAW and healthy is what its all about! But the notion that we all "naturally think our view is best" does not mean we should endeavor to present it as such to everyone in the group. This kind of thinking runs rampant in the raw community; the notion that there is one way that is the best and all other approaches fall short. Gideon's e-mail had a tone of saying, "you must do a certain thing in order to be successfully raw" and "being raw requires 100 percent effort." I had to chime in and say that this is an absolutely incorrect notion. Being raw can be effortless and pleasurable and does not require much skill at all. It can be a very simple lifestyle, and it can be done many ways for a variety of reasons. I feel that a lot of the "adds" and informative e-mails on RAWSOUL are often not sensitive to the fact that we all go about being raw in different ways which are each equally valuable. I feel that many act like they are experts on how to be raw, or there is this implication that they have found the answer and that everyone should do this "one" thing or fail. This kind of information is damaging to the person seeking support for the raw lifestyle. Sorry to cite Gideon's e-mail. I just suddenly got fed up with some of the content I see circulating. Actually, it sounds like he is doing great work! But I am so tired of people throwing around words like "always" and "every" and "only" without regard for the meaning these words may have for the audience. Michael Many viewpoints are p. , <pnparlette wrote:>> Folks, the point of a forum is to share your opinion. We each are> naturally going to believe our view is best or we wouldn't have it.> This is, after all, a RAW soul group and I believe the point of it's> existence is to help us all STAY eating RAW. Anyone who comes to the> site should assume that is the prevalent view. I agree with Gideon, but> understand that not all people want that, and that is FINE. My husband> is not even vegetarian, but eats lots of fruits and veggies and stays it> good shape. I would simply ask us to respect one another and release> any judgments that everyone has to believe a certain way.> THANKS.> > > > Nancy Parlette > HEALTHY LIVING STRATEGIES > Natural Health Counselor > Nutrition Educator > ENERGIZING YOU FOR LIVING!> > (410) 531-2410 > http://www.healthylivingstrategies.net/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 I disagree with some of the posts here as I'm sure some others do. Everyone is entitled to post their viewpoint. I embrace what I consider valuable and leave the rest. As intelligent, self-determining individuals we are all free to do the same. It's that simple. /gfj Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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