Choices

[Guest guest]

Primarily due to the fact that meats from living creatures...so

animal rights related. However, the benefit and another reason

would be the healthier eating habits!! Finally, it allows us to eat

kosher without two sets of dishes..hee, hee!

[Guest guest]

I am a Vegetarian b/c I became a pet owner last Novmeber, when I held

my cat, I couldn't bare to eat another animal. I just went cold

turkey, and I've been meat-free ever since.

-Asia

, " Amy P. "

<aviva_hadas> wrote:

>

> Who here made the choice to be vegetarian strictly for health

> reasons - or budgetary reasons. (Not because of animal rights) I am

> trying to rationalize my choice with an irrational person....

People

> get tired of hearing PETA says..... (not unlike the door to door

> religion sellers - but that is a whole different ball of wax.)

> I have tried to explain the nutritional benefits, the large variety

> of choices in my menu. Like Bok Choy, before becoming vegetarian, I

> probably only had in a chinese restaurant - without knowing it. I

> now eat it raw right along side my celery, carrots, & apples. I

have

> also explained how much further my food budget goes.... (I can buy

a

> bag of beans and have meals for pennies.)

[Guest guest]

Let's see - I've done the flexetarian thing all of my life - always

feeling better (and cleaner) when I don't eat meat. Family pressure and

unstable blood sugar would drive me back into the omnivorous world, time

after time...until last July. This may sound strange, but what has

driven me to stick with it this time, is that on July 1st of this year,

I had my first miscarriage. It was the most horrific thing I could ever

have imagined going through. My baby died inside of me - and I never

want to have anything dead inside my body ever again. Now when I look

at people eating meat, I am thoroughly disgusted with the fact that they

are eating death...they are happily consuming rotting animal flesh. I

can't stand the smell - raw or cooked, and I hate handling it. I have

also since been reading up on the various vegan and vegetarian/animal

rights websites, and I agree with everything they are saying, which has

added fuel to the fire.

 

 

 

Debra Lee Thompson

 

Analyst - Mortgage I

 

First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

We made the choice for health reasons

absolutely! Then the thinking about animal

cruelty and welfare followed suit, and

helped us to KNOW we were doing the right

thing all around.

 

We enjoy it so much its no sacrifice for us.

 

I personally think, that people who are irrational

about your decision to go vegan/vegetarian, are trying

to rationalize to you and to themselves the fact that

they still eat meat. That, I consider to be their problem.

I think they feel deep in their heart that they are eating

poor abused animals.... and don't like it. But they

don't want to make a drastic change. The other one

we hear a lot is, God put these animals on this earth

for us to eat. Another justification to make themselves

feel better, IMHO.

 

That is just my opinion.... my .02 cents! I may

be totally wrong! But its just a theory of mine,

anyway.

 

But I am the one who has kidney and liver disease,

hbp, and inherited high cholesterol and triglycerides.

My husband has been diagnosed with a heart

condition, you bet we are doing it for our health!

 

You take care!!! Hang in there!

 

Becky

 

ps perhaps the person/people should go to the

slaughterhouse and see how their meat makes

their way to their table.

 

A person is only allowed to work on the " killing floor "

:( for two years at a time. It messes with them,

my husband has spoken to some one who works

at a processing/slaughter house.

 

I can't imagine the horror. I'd rather not know, but

know that we are making a contribution in some

way.

 

Sorry this is so LONG!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----

 

 

12/08/04 09:04:15

 

choices

 

 

Who here made the choice to be vegetarian strictly for health

reasons - or budgetary reasons. (Not because of animal rights) I am

trying to rationalize my choice with an irrational person.... People

get tired of hearing PETA says..... (not unlike the door to door

religion sellers - but that is a whole different ball of wax.)

I have tried to explain the nutritional benefits, the large variety

of choices in my menu. Like Bok Choy, before becoming vegetarian, I

probably only had in a chinese restaurant - without knowing it. I

now eat it raw right along side my celery, carrots, & apples. I have

also explained how much further my food budget goes.... (I can buy a

bag of beans and have meals for pennies.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Combination of reasons here. Colitis on one side of the family (I can keep it

under control with almost no dairy in my diet along with no meat or fish) and

colon cancer on both sides. 2 of the colon cancer relatives were butchers. I

also decided to try a vegetarian diet 25 yrs ago after spending the day at a

Hare Krishna festival in Venice Beach and I never missed meat from that day on.

Also for animal rights.

 

" Amy P. " <aviva_ha> wrote:

Who here made the choice to be vegetarian strictly for health

reasons - or budgetary reasons. (Not because of animal rights) I am

trying to rationalize my choice with an irrational person.... People

get tired of hearing PETA says..... (not unlike the door to door

religion sellers - but that is a whole different ball of wax.)

I have tried to explain the nutritional benefits, the large variety

of choices in my menu. Like Bok Choy, before becoming vegetarian, I

probably only had in a chinese restaurant - without knowing it. I

now eat it raw right along side my celery, carrots, & apples. I have

also explained how much further my food budget goes.... (I can buy a

bag of beans and have meals for pennies.)

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Well, technically, I didn’t choose to be vegetarian because of health or

budget reasons. I intend to convert to Orthodox Judaism and don’t know how

to be completely kosher so my best bet was to just go vegan. How about

telling the pesky questioners that .. God says … LOL My family is tired of

hearing that one but hey, if they ask why you are doing things a certain way

*shrug*. God told the Jewish people that they should/should not do this and

I’m going to convert so I need to be/do Jewish … What more can I say? What

more can you say to those people/that person? It’s a personal choice you are

entitled to. Perhaps getting research and/or study information showing the

benefits of a vegetarian diet and soy would help? I have saved a good amount

of info, if you’d like.

 

 

 

Personally, I have noticed that being vegan is cheaper, my son (2 ½) and I

have not been sick as much as before, my fingernails have grown longer and

stronger (where they used to break really easily before), my skin is

clearing, I’m unintentionally losing weight (which is good because I’m

borderline diabetic), I have more energy and can keep up with my son (I even

race our shopping cart at the store!), my son sleeps better, we have less

indigestion .. I could go on and on. My hair is healthier, shinier,

bouncier, my dental health is better … here I go again. =)

 

 

 

It’s hard to reason with an irrational person though .. may I ask why you

have to?

 

~CJsMonnie~

 

 

 

_____

 

Amy P. [aviva_ha]

Wednesday, December 08, 2004 8:04 AM

 

choices

 

 

 

 

Who here made the choice to be vegetarian strictly for health

reasons - or budgetary reasons. (Not because of animal rights) I am

trying to rationalize my choice with an irrational person.... People

get tired of hearing PETA says..... (not unlike the door to door

religion sellers - but that is a whole different ball of wax.)

I have tried to explain the nutritional benefits, the large variety

of choices in my menu. Like Bok Choy, before becoming vegetarian, I

probably only had in a chinese restaurant - without knowing it. I

now eat it raw right along side my celery, carrots, & apples. I have

also explained how much further my food budget goes.... (I can buy a

bag of beans and have meals for pennies.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

As I saw in a cartoon once:

At first I became a vegetarian for health reasons. Then my reasons

changed to humanitarian reasons. Then it became a matter of ecology.

Then it became for spiritual reasons. Now I just do it to piss people

off.

 

, " Amy P. "

<aviva_hadas> wrote:

>

> Who here made the choice to be vegetarian strictly for health

> reasons - or budgetary reasons. (Not because of animal rights) I am

> trying to rationalize my choice with an irrational person....

[Guest guest]

hey cjsmonnie,

can I email you privately?

 

Blessings,

Chanda/Maria

-

CJsMonnie

Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:28 PM

RE: choices

 

 

The " God put the animals on this earth for us to eat " has gotten to me as of

late. My family always said that and then berated me for not being strong

enough/human enough. I got mad just last week (or was it this week?) and

told them every human AND animal was vegetarian until Adam & Eve got us

kicked out of Eden so actually the meat eating people are the ones who

aren't strong enough. They cannot resist their base and animalistic impulses

and don't take an animal's pain/suffering into consideration.

 

Another argument is " I need meat because I feel weak without it " . That one

makes me see redder than red and comes from my Mom! No matter how much tofu

and soy info I get .. it's white and smells funny and .. doesn't have blood

(fat for my uncle Mr. Scrooge). If only I could afford to live on my own

with my son .. It's not just the veganism. Besides the 20+ years of being

" too weak " , I've started being attacked for being Jewish too and I'm not

even Jewish yet! In the last month, verbal disagreements have gotten out of

hand.

 

Hard to make anyone understand when they deliberately blind themselves to

everything you say. Best to just let the irrational person go on their merry

way and/or ignore them and just keep truckin'.

 

~CJsMonnie~

 

_____

 

WindChimes [chimies]

Wednesday, December 08, 2004 6:45 PM

Re: choices

 

 

 

 

Hi,

 

We made the choice for health reasons absolutely! Then the thinking about

animal

cruelty and welfare followed suit, and helped us to KNOW we were doing the

right

thing all around.

 

We enjoy it so much its no sacrifice for us.

 

I personally think, that people who are irrational about your decision to go

vegan/vegetarian, are trying

to rationalize to you and to themselves the fact that they still eat meat.

That, I consider to be their problem.

I think they feel deep in their heart that they are eating poor abused

animals.... and don't like it. But they

don't want to make a drastic change. The other one we hear a lot is, God

put these animals on this earth

for us to eat. Another justification to make themselves feel better, IMHO.

 

That is just my opinion.... my .02 cents! I may be totally wrong! But its

just a theory of mine,

anyway.

 

But I am the one who has kidney and liver disease, hbp, and inherited high

cholesterol and triglycerides.

My husband has been diagnosed with a heart condition, you bet we are doing

it for our health!

 

You take care!!! Hang in there!

 

Becky

 

ps perhaps the person/people should go to the slaughterhouse and see how

their meat makes

their way to their table.

 

A person is only allowed to work on the " killing floor " :( for two years

at a time. It messes with them,

my husband has spoken to some one who works at a processing/slaughter house.

 

I can't imagine the horror. I'd rather not know, but know that we are

making a contribution in some

way.

 

Sorry this is so LONG!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----

 

12/08/04 09:04:15

choices

 

 

Who here made the choice to be vegetarian strictly for health

reasons - or budgetary reasons. (Not because of animal rights) I am

trying to rationalize my choice with an irrational person.... People

get tired of hearing PETA says..... (not unlike the door to door

religion sellers - but that is a whole different ball of wax.)

I have tried to explain the nutritional benefits, the large variety

of choices in my menu. Like Bok Choy, before becoming vegetarian, I

probably only had in a chinese restaurant - without knowing it. I

now eat it raw right along side my celery, carrots, & apples. I have

also explained how much further my food budget goes.... (I can buy a

bag of beans and have meals for pennies.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

ha love that one! Thanks Becky

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----

 

 

12/08/04 22:36:08

 

Re: choices

 

 

As I saw in a cartoon once:

At first I became a vegetarian for health reasons. Then my reasons

changed to humanitarian reasons. Then it became a matter of ecology.

Then it became for spiritual reasons. Now I just do it to piss people

off.

 

, " Amy P. "

<aviva_hadas> wrote:

>

> Who here made the choice to be vegetarian strictly for health

> reasons - or budgetary reasons. (Not because of animal rights) I am

> trying to rationalize my choice with an irrational person....

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>

> As I saw in a cartoon once:

> At first I became a vegetarian for health reasons. Then my reasons

> changed to humanitarian reasons. Then it became a matter of

ecology. > Then it became for spiritual reasons. Now I just do it to

piss people off. "

 

 

This is me!-although I started for political humanitarian reasons- so

I am going to change it around and post it on my wall collage here at

work!

>

[Guest guest]

, " andrearkline "

<andrearkline> wrote:

>

> >

> > As I saw in a cartoon once:

> > At first I became a vegetarian for health reasons. Then my

reasons

> > changed to humanitarian reasons. Then it became a matter of

> ecology. > Then it became for spiritual reasons. Now I just do it

to

> piss people off. "

>

 

 

Yeah - my husband loved this - he like Andrea though would put

humanitarian first!

[Guest guest]

> It's hard to reason with an irrational person though .. may I ask

why you

> have to?

>

> ~CJsMonnie~

 

Close personal relationships.... Like me they want to know more that

PETA says. They understand that it is a personal choice, but still

ask a lot of questions.... (I know a lot of Nosy people & count

myself as one of them, nosy that is....)

Amy

[Guest guest]

LOL! Do you remember the author of that cartoon? It's i nice icebreaker when

someone

asks.....

 

, " WindChimes " <chimies@e...> wrote:

> ha love that one! Thanks Becky

 

> ----

>

> As I saw in a cartoon once:

> At first I became a vegetarian for health reasons. Then my reasons

> changed to humanitarian reasons. Then it became a matter of ecology.

> Then it became for spiritual reasons. Now I just do it to piss people

> off.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't find that strange. I have a sort of similar reaction to eggs. I had

a really hard time getting pregnant because of a normal abnormality (my

OB/GYN actually said that) and tried the natural family planning ways. Once

I realized a chicken egg is basically excreted tissue that didn't become a

baby [like a woman's excretions] .YUCK!

 

I also grew up on a ranch, the only girl, only child in a macho environment

so I was basically left to my own devices. I'd spend the day in the woods

and taming/befriending wild animals. I have feel meat stick in my throat.

It's flesh like our flesh from an animal I have previously associated with

(rabbit, deer, cows, etc.). I remember huge, expressive eyes, innocence ..

Needless to say, I've always been criticized for being " weak " .

 

Judaism has really turned out to be a saving grace [for more than just

eating and food].

 

~CJsMonnie~

 

_____

 

Thompson, Debra lee [Debrathompson]

Wednesday, December 08, 2004 1:25 PM

 

RE: Re: choices

 

 

 

* Let's see - I've done the flexetarian thing all of my life - always

feeling better (and cleaner) when I don't eat meat. Family pressure and

unstable blood sugar would drive me back into the omnivorous world, time

after time...until last July. This may sound strange, but what has

driven me to stick with it this time, is that on July 1st of this year,

I had my first miscarriage. It was the most horrific thing I could ever

have imagined going through. My baby died inside of me - and I never

want to have anything dead inside my body ever again. Now when I look

at people eating meat, I am thoroughly disgusted with the fact that they

are eating death...they are happily consuming rotting animal flesh. I

can't stand the smell - raw or cooked, and I hate handling it. I have

also since been reading up on the various vegan and vegetarian/animal

rights websites, and I agree with everything they are saying, which has

added fuel to the fire.

 

 

Debra Lee Thompson

Analyst - Mortgage I

First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

debrathompson <debrathompson

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, " CJsMonnie "

<cjshssahm> wrote:

> I don't find that strange. I have a sort of similar reaction to

eggs. I had

> a really hard time getting pregnant because of a normal abnormality

(my

> OB/GYN actually said that) and tried the natural family planning

ways. Once

> I realized a chicken egg is basically excreted tissue that didn't

become a

> baby [like a woman's excretions] .YUCK!

 

 

I have never thought of it that way - but you know, you're right;)

I've just never much cared for eggs - now that I've discovered the

wonders of tofu scrambles and egg substitutes, I won't be knowingly

consuming them ever again:)

 

 

>

> I also grew up on a ranch, the only girl, only child in a macho

environment

> so I was basically left to my own devices. I'd spend the day in the

woods

> and taming/befriending wild animals. I have feel meat stick in my

throat.

> It's flesh like our flesh from an animal I have previously

associated with

> (rabbit, deer, cows, etc.). I remember huge, expressive eyes,

innocence ..

> Needless to say, I've always been criticized for being " weak " .

>

> Judaism has really turned out to be a saving grace [for more than

just

> eating and food].

 

How is that? How has it been a saving grace? Is it from fasting?

My brother is Russian Orthodox Catholic, and he's vegan 6 months out

of the year. I was raised a protestant gentile but my mom worked for

the JFGD most of my young life, so I was exposed to some of the

Jewish culture growing up. I've always found Judaism fascinating -

I'm no longer Christian - haven't been for more than 20 years.

 

 

Debra

[Guest guest]

The " God put the animals on this earth for us to eat " has gotten to me as of

late. My family always said that and then berated me for not being strong

enough/human enough. I got mad just last week (or was it this week?) and

told them every human AND animal was vegetarian until Adam & Eve got us

kicked out of Eden so actually the meat eating people are the ones who

aren't strong enough. They cannot resist their base and animalistic impulses

and don't take an animal's pain/suffering into consideration.

 

Another argument is " I need meat because I feel weak without it " . That one

makes me see redder than red and comes from my Mom! No matter how much tofu

and soy info I get .. it's white and smells funny and .. doesn't have blood

(fat for my uncle Mr. Scrooge). If only I could afford to live on my own

with my son .. It's not just the veganism. Besides the 20+ years of being

" too weak " , I've started being attacked for being Jewish too and I'm not

even Jewish yet! In the last month, verbal disagreements have gotten out of

hand.

 

Hard to make anyone understand when they deliberately blind themselves to

everything you say. Best to just let the irrational person go on their merry

way and/or ignore them and just keep truckin'.

 

~CJsMonnie~

 

_____

 

WindChimes [chimies]

Wednesday, December 08, 2004 6:45 PM

 

Re: choices

 

 

 

 

Hi,

 

We made the choice for health reasons absolutely! Then the thinking about

animal

cruelty and welfare followed suit, and helped us to KNOW we were doing the

right

thing all around.

 

We enjoy it so much its no sacrifice for us.

 

I personally think, that people who are irrational about your decision to go

vegan/vegetarian, are trying

to rationalize to you and to themselves the fact that they still eat meat.

That, I consider to be their problem.

I think they feel deep in their heart that they are eating poor abused

animals.... and don't like it. But they

don't want to make a drastic change. The other one we hear a lot is, God

put these animals on this earth

for us to eat. Another justification to make themselves feel better, IMHO.

 

That is just my opinion.... my .02 cents! I may be totally wrong! But its

just a theory of mine,

anyway.

 

But I am the one who has kidney and liver disease, hbp, and inherited high

cholesterol and triglycerides.

My husband has been diagnosed with a heart condition, you bet we are doing

it for our health!

 

You take care!!! Hang in there!

 

Becky

 

ps perhaps the person/people should go to the slaughterhouse and see how

their meat makes

their way to their table.

 

A person is only allowed to work on the " killing floor " :( for two years

at a time. It messes with them,

my husband has spoken to some one who works at a processing/slaughter house.

 

I can't imagine the horror. I'd rather not know, but know that we are

making a contribution in some

way.

 

Sorry this is so LONG!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----

 

 

12/08/04 09:04:15

 

choices

 

 

Who here made the choice to be vegetarian strictly for health

reasons - or budgetary reasons. (Not because of animal rights) I am

trying to rationalize my choice with an irrational person.... People

get tired of hearing PETA says..... (not unlike the door to door

religion sellers - but that is a whole different ball of wax.)

I have tried to explain the nutritional benefits, the large variety

of choices in my menu. Like Bok Choy, before becoming vegetarian, I

probably only had in a chinese restaurant - without knowing it. I

now eat it raw right along side my celery, carrots, & apples. I have

also explained how much further my food budget goes.... (I can buy a

bag of beans and have meals for pennies.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I remember huge, expressive eyes, innocence ..

>Needless to say, I've always been criticized for being " weak " .

 

It takes a lot of strength to do the right thing when everyone else is

pushing you to do otherwise. You sound pretty tough to me!

 

I know other vegans who grew up on farms seeing how animals are treated and

refusing to be a part of it anymore. Heck, look at John Robbins and the

fortune he gave up!

 

Veronica

 

 

[Guest guest]

#6 of the 10 Commandments states: SIX: 'You shall not murder.'It doesn't state

humans or animals, meat is murder.

 

The Laws given to Moses are found at Leviticus 19:

Lev 19:26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use

enchantment, nor observe times

 

If any meat eaters have a problem w/your diet , let them know about the above

statement.

 

I am not a religious freak, I just like to read.

 

Peace........Asia

 

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I realized a chicken egg is basically excreted tissue that didn't

become a

> baby [like a woman's excretions] .YUCK!

 

Yucky...........I never thought about egg in that sense. I was an

ovo-Vegetarian about an minute ago, yuck. I had vegetable egg foo yong for

dinner, I feel disgusted, I had DNA for dinner, yuck.

 

 

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Black cohosh is good for helping out w/fertility problems.

 

 

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There are at least 4 more passages in the Bible admonishing people not

to eat meat.

" Be kind to animals... By not eating them " ,

William Scott

 

, " truasia120@j... "

<truasia120@j...> wrote:

>

> #6 of the 10 Commandments states: SIX: 'You shall not murder.'It

doesn't state humans or animals, meat is murder.

>

> The Laws given to Moses are found at Leviticus 19:

> Lev 19:26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall

ye use enchantment, nor observe times

>

> If any meat eaters have a problem w/your diet , let them know about

the above statement.

>

> I am not a religious freak, I just like to read.

>

> Peace........Asia

>

[Guest guest]

, " CJsMonnie "

<cjshssahm> wrote:

 

> I realized a chicken egg is basically excreted tissue that didn't

become a

> baby [like a woman's excretions] .YUCK!

 

I have trouble with eggs too...never thought of them like

this...probably wont eat one again...unless it is disguised in a

cookie!!

>

> I also grew up on a ranch, the only girl, only child in a macho

environment

 

There's a book out now about a women who grew up on a ranch, married

a rancher, then left...it's her autobiography...I can't think of the

name of it...might be of interest to you though...I'll try not to

think and it'll come to me!

 

m

[Guest guest]

, " truasia120@j... "

<truasia120@j...> wrote:

>

> I realized a chicken egg is basically excreted tissue that didn't

> become a

> > baby [like a woman's excretions] .YUCK!

>

> Yucky...........I never thought about egg in that sense. I was an

ovo-Vegetarian about an minute ago, yuck. I had vegetable egg foo

yong for dinner, I feel disgusted, I had DNA for dinner, yuck.

>

>

> Peace........Asia

>

 

Yes, they are actually bird menstruation. Thats why I have never

eaten an egg or anything containing eggs in my life. There are plenty

of substitutes for eggs and a lot of recipes that call for eggs often

don't even need them or even a substitute.

William Scott

[Guest guest]

I've started being attacked for being Jewish too and I'm not

> even Jewish yet!

 

Being Jewish is far tougher than being veggie. I find people just

roll their eyes or assume I'm nuts being veggie...kind of like a

pathetic person (my brother sometimes jokingly calls me a " commie "

among other things). However, the reaction to my being Jewish can

be as strong as hatred...I'm pretty sure even stronger in some folk.

 

m

[Guest guest]

Hi William, I love your signature line!

Its great. Words to live by for sure!

 

Thanks.

 

Becky

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----

 

 

12/10/04 00:12:32

 

Re: choices

 

 

There are at least 4 more passages in the Bible admonishing people not

to eat meat.

" Be kind to animals... By not eating them " ,

William Scott

 

, " truasia120@j... "

<truasia120@j...> wrote:

>

> #6 of the 10 Commandments states: SIX: 'You shall not murder.'It

doesn't state humans or animals, meat is murder.

>

> The Laws given to Moses are found at Leviticus 19:

> Lev 19:26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall

ye use enchantment, nor observe times

>

> If any meat eaters have a problem w/your diet , let them know about

the above statement.

>

> I am not a religious freak, I just like to read.

>

> Peace........Asia

>