Guest guest Posted April 15, 2002 Report Share Posted April 15, 2002 Right on guys! I too respond to the " Can you eat...? " and " You can't eat (whatever) " remarks with the point that it's my choice, or just not what I do, rather than an obligation or confinement. Another thought I had after reading your messages was that I could also point out to people that I don't feel I'm depriving myself. The thinking that's behind these kind of statements/questions people make, is that somehow we are depriving ourselves, not doing something we really want to do (eating cooked/processed " food " ). I can inform people that I'm not depriving myself, or refraining from eating what I want. The fact is, I actually don't want to eat cooked dishes, and am very satisfied with TRUE " real food " . :-) It would even be good, I think, to suggest that it's possible for anyone to be that satisfied, even to those who say, " I could never do that! " We can tell people that there have been others who say this, but then try raw food and see how good it is, and eventually DO " convert " to all-raw. So, the best approach is to sound as non- judgmental/non-critical, natural, sensible, and informative as possible. The main issue we have to handle is a matter of education, providing the correct information to those who have gotten misinformation (from wherever--media, family, friends, etc.), or who simply don't know what this " lifestyle " is. On cheese, I tried some of it maybe a year ago, and was pretty disgusted by it. That was even before I attended the " Not Milk " Man Robert Cohen's main speech at last year's Festival of Raw & Living Foods, where he pointed out that even raw organic dairy has a bunch of pus and blood in it. Check out http:/www.NotMilk.com or the book Milk: The Deadly Poison by Robert Cohen for more education on the realities of dairy. RawSeattle, " March Twisdale " <march@d...> wrote: > Yes...today someone said, " Oh, you can't cheese, can you? " My first thought was that I can have cheese, but yes I might choose to not have it. Instead I said that cheese isn't raw so if I was just having raw food then I wouldn't choose to eat it. Thanks for the thoughts... > March > > > - > sturtevants > RawSeattle > Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:13 PM > Re: [RawSeattle] Raw-ish Cinco de Mayo > > > March > > Since my diet changes many friends come up to me and ask what CAN I have to eat. I correct them by telling them that I CAN have anything I want. I CHOOSE to have raw food. > > I hope this helps you with your own choices. > > Light and Love > > Ramona > - > March Twisdale > RawSeattle > Saturday, April 13, 2002 9:32 PM > Re: [RawSeattle] Raw-ish Cinco de Mayo > > > I'm impressed...I've been having trouble the last week. I'd love to chat about how to get through the first hurdle of staying off cooked foods. Especially as I am preparing it in my home so the temptation is always there. > > March > > > - > sturtevants > RawSeattle > Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:37 AM > Re: [RawSeattle] Raw-ish Cinco de Mayo > > > March > > What a wonderful invitation! > > I am Mexican and I have been raw for almost a year and a half. My family is > not and I have been preparing traditional foods for them as well as raw > foods for myself for a very long time. Before I became raw I was a Vegan > and previously a Vegetarian. I make several different meals at one time. > > While attending the raw support group meetings many would ask me how I > could do this. > > I found that I had removed the judgment about my family's choice. They have > not chosen the same lifestyle that I have and that is OK with me. I love > them all very much and it is only through my own example will they come to > the realization of what is possible. > > In the meantime I bless all our food and we enjoy each others company. > > I hope your event is successful and many attend to help celebrate community. > I will do my best to attend depending on what develops with my family (there > is an event penciled in on our family calendar) > > Light and Love > > Ramona > > - > " March Twisdale " <march@d...> > <RawSeattle> > Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:38 PM > [RawSeattle] Raw-ish Cinco de Mayo > > > > Hello, > > > > My name is March and I'm a busy mother of two young ones trying to go raw. > > I've been mostly raw for about six weeks. I've gone to a couple raw > > potlucks and I thought maybe I could invite people to a raw- ish potluck > > during my cinco de mayo fiesta. My husband is from Mexico and we choose > to > > celebrate our mixed heritage as much as possible. However, many of our > > other friends are not raw so I thought I could mix everyone together. I > > made sure in my invitation to insist that people precisely label their > > potluck dishes as I have friends who are vegan, vegetarian, meat-eaters, > > raw, and with food allergies of various sorts! I am also okay with others > > bringing alcoholic beverages although I don't like them personally and > won't > > be offering them myself. I live in a cohousing community and am having > the > > event in our very large common house with plenty of activities for kids, a > > pinata to break open (no candy....just toys), a variety of food & drink, > and > > good music....dance if you wish...the floor is cork and perfect for > dancing > > on! > > > > All this said, I'm wondering if people in the raw community are generally > > okay with going to events that offer mixed foods? And, I would be able to > > quite easily segregate the foods completely on different tables to avoid > > confusion. What other things could I do to make this comfortable? > > > > Yours, > > March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 Thank you for the encouragement. Here is another side effect that I have been sharing with my " concerned " co-workers and friends. I choose to fast weekly. My friends ask how is that possible. I tell them that it was not always so. Before, if I missed a meal I would become dizzy or get very bad headaches. After going raw I can miss a meal or go the whole day or longer without these side effects. I actually look forward to not eating. I am patiently waiting to see what else will develop. Light and Love Ramona - " rawseattle " <rawseattle <RawSeattle > Monday, April 15, 2002 1:20 PM [RawSeattle] Re: " You can't eat... " " Can you eat...? " > Right on guys! I too respond to the " Can you eat...? " and " You can't > eat (whatever) " remarks with the point that it's my choice, or just > not what I do, rather than an obligation or confinement. Another > thought I had after reading your messages was that I could also point > out to people that I don't feel I'm depriving myself. The thinking > that's behind these kind of statements/questions people make, is that > somehow we are depriving ourselves, not doing something we really > want to do (eating cooked/processed " food " ). I can inform people > that I'm not depriving myself, or refraining from eating what I > want. The fact is, I actually don't want to eat cooked dishes, and > am very satisfied with TRUE " real food " . :-) > > It would even be good, I think, to suggest that it's possible for > anyone to be that satisfied, even to those who say, " I could never do > that! " We can tell people that there have been others who say this, > but then try raw food and see how good it is, and eventually > DO " convert " to all-raw. So, the best approach is to sound as non- > judgmental/non-critical, natural, sensible, and informative as > possible. The main issue we have to handle is a matter of education, > providing the correct information to those who have gotten > misinformation (from wherever--media, family, friends, etc.), or who > simply don't know what this " lifestyle " is. > > On cheese, I tried some of it maybe a year ago, and was pretty > disgusted by it. That was even before I attended the " Not Milk " Man > Robert Cohen's main speech at last year's Festival of Raw & Living > Foods, where he pointed out that even raw organic dairy has a bunch > of pus and blood in it. Check out http:/www.NotMilk.com or the book > Milk: The Deadly Poison by Robert Cohen for more education on the > realities of dairy. > > > RawSeattle, " March Twisdale " <march@d...> wrote: > > Yes...today someone said, " Oh, you can't cheese, can you? " My > first thought was that I can have cheese, but yes I might choose to > not have it. Instead I said that cheese isn't raw so if I was just > having raw food then I wouldn't choose to eat it. Thanks for the > thoughts... > > March > > > > > > - > > sturtevants > > RawSeattle > > Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:13 PM > > Re: [RawSeattle] Raw-ish Cinco de Mayo > > > > > > March > > > > Since my diet changes many friends come up to me and ask what CAN > I have to eat. I correct them by telling them that I CAN have > anything I want. I CHOOSE to have raw food. > > > > I hope this helps you with your own choices. > > > > Light and Love > > > > Ramona > > - > > March Twisdale > > RawSeattle > > Saturday, April 13, 2002 9:32 PM > > Re: [RawSeattle] Raw-ish Cinco de Mayo > > > > > > I'm impressed...I've been having trouble the last week. I'd > love to chat about how to get through the first hurdle of staying off > cooked foods. Especially as I am preparing it in my home so the > temptation is always there. > > > > March > > > > > > - > > sturtevants > > RawSeattle > > Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:37 AM > > Re: [RawSeattle] Raw-ish Cinco de Mayo > > > > > > March > > > > What a wonderful invitation! > > > > I am Mexican and I have been raw for almost a year and a > half. My family is > > not and I have been preparing traditional foods for them as > well as raw > > foods for myself for a very long time. Before I became raw I > was a Vegan > > and previously a Vegetarian. I make several different meals > at one time. > > > > While attending the raw support group meetings many would > ask me how I > > could do this. > > > > I found that I had removed the judgment about my family's > choice. They have > > not chosen the same lifestyle that I have and that is OK with > me. I love > > them all very much and it is only through my own example will > they come to > > the realization of what is possible. > > > > In the meantime I bless all our food and we enjoy each others > company. > > > > I hope your event is successful and many attend to help > celebrate community. > > I will do my best to attend depending on what develops with > my family (there > > is an event penciled in on our family calendar) > > > > Light and Love > > > > Ramona > > > > - > > " March Twisdale " <march@d...> > > <RawSeattle> > > Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:38 PM > > [RawSeattle] Raw-ish Cinco de Mayo > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > My name is March and I'm a busy mother of two young ones > trying to go raw. > > > I've been mostly raw for about six weeks. I've gone to a > couple raw > > > potlucks and I thought maybe I could invite people to a raw- > ish potluck > > > during my cinco de mayo fiesta. My husband is from Mexico > and we choose > > to > > > celebrate our mixed heritage as much as possible. However, > many of our > > > other friends are not raw so I thought I could mix everyone > together. I > > > made sure in my invitation to insist that people precisely > label their > > > potluck dishes as I have friends who are vegan, vegetarian, > meat-eaters, > > > raw, and with food allergies of various sorts! I am also > okay with others > > > bringing alcoholic beverages although I don't like them > personally and > > won't > > > be offering them myself. I live in a cohousing community > and am having > > the > > > event in our very large common house with plenty of > activities for kids, a > > > pinata to break open (no candy....just toys), a variety of > food & drink, > > and > > > good music....dance if you wish...the floor is cork and > perfect for > > dancing > > > on! > > > > > > All this said, I'm wondering if people in the raw community > are generally > > > okay with going to events that offer mixed foods? And, I > would be able to > > > quite easily segregate the foods completely on different > tables to avoid > > > confusion. What other things could I do to make this > comfortable? > > > > > > Yours, > > > March > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 Quote: That was even before I attended the "Not Milk" Man Robert Cohen's main speech at last year's Festival of Raw & Living Foods, where he pointed out that even raw organic dairy has a bunch of pus and blood in it. Check out http:/www.NotMilk.com or the book Milk: The Deadly Poison by Robert Cohen for more education on the realities of dairy. Hello all, as a nursing mother I am curious what this statement is founded upon? Is it based on a belief that the ways of extracting milk from cows is damaging (hence the blood) and that even organically raised cows are sick and have mastitis (breast infections - hence the pus)? Because, what is in my breastmilk is excellent for my children and while it is a body fluid I don't think it has either blood or pus in it. Curious but without time to read the book.... And, I agree with what was said about trying to remind people it's not about denying ourselves something or being forbidden, etc. Great point! March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 It's interesting how many (most) people will choose to believe that the headaches they receive when they miss a meal is a sign that they are not supposed to skip meals! Regarding raw foodists depriving themselves because of their food choices - I had a snack this afternoon: a banana float, complete with raw organic vegan " ice cream! " I don't remember ever tasting a processed dairy one that tasted so good! Jeff >Thank you for the encouragement. > >Here is another side effect that I have been sharing with my " concerned " >co-workers and friends. > >I choose to fast weekly. My friends ask how is that possible. I tell them >that it was not always so. Before, if I missed a meal I would become dizzy >or get very bad headaches. > >After going raw I can miss a meal or go the whole day or longer without >these side effects. I actually look forward to not eating. I am patiently >waiting to see what else will develop. > >Light and Love > >Ramona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 Speaking of raw organic ice cream, how is the book coming???? Ramona - " Jeff Rogers " <jeff <RawSeattle > Monday, April 15, 2002 9:48 PM Re: [RawSeattle] Re: " You can't eat... " " Can you eat...? " > It's interesting how many (most) people will choose to believe that > the headaches they receive when they miss a meal is a sign that they > are not supposed to skip meals! > > Regarding raw foodists depriving themselves because of their food > choices - I had a snack this afternoon: a banana float, complete with > raw organic vegan " ice cream! " I don't remember ever tasting a > processed dairy one that tasted so good! > > Jeff > > > > >Thank you for the encouragement. > > > >Here is another side effect that I have been sharing with my " concerned " > >co-workers and friends. > > > >I choose to fast weekly. My friends ask how is that possible. I tell them > >that it was not always so. Before, if I missed a meal I would become dizzy > >or get very bad headaches. > > > >After going raw I can miss a meal or go the whole day or longer without > >these side effects. I actually look forward to not eating. I am patiently > >waiting to see what else will develop. > > > >Light and Love > > > >Ramona > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 >Speaking of raw organic ice cream, how is the book coming???? > >Ramona I'm halfway through revisions. If I can avoid distractions I should finish soon. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 Hello all, as a nursing mother I am curious what this statement is founded upon? Is it based on a belief that the ways of extracting milk from cows is damaging (hence the blood) March, I haven't read the book either. I think what happens is that milk is not squeezed by hands any more in this country. Machine is used to squeeze out the milk from the cow's breast. I think the part of the machine that press the cow's breast is metal for sanitary reason. You are a nursing mother so you can imagine how the cows feel when their breasts being pressed by something hard and their breasts can easily be bruised and ... I don't want to say any more. You can go to the notmilk website and see the pictures of cows with swollen breasts. It's an awful sight. Helen and that even organically raised cows are sick and have mastitis (breast infections - hence the pus)? Because, what is in my breastmilk is excellent for my children and while it is a body fluid I don't think it has either blood or pus in it. Curious but without time to read the book.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 Thanks for the clarification! - Helen RawSeattle Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:40 AM Re: [RawSeattle] Re: "You can't eat...Can you eat...?" Hello all, as a nursing mother I am curious what this statement is founded upon? Is it based on a belief that the ways of extracting milk from cows is damaging (hence the blood) March, I haven't read the book either. I think what happens is that milk is not squeezed by hands any more in this country. Machine is used to squeeze out the milk from the cow's breast. I think the part of the machine that press the cow's breast is metal for sanitary reason. You are a nursing mother so you can imagine how the cows feel when their breasts being pressed by something hard and their breasts can easily be bruised and ... I don't want to say any more. You can go to the notmilk website and see the pictures of cows with swollen breasts. It's an awful sight. Helen and that even organically raised cows are sick and have mastitis (breast infections - hence the pus)? Because, what is in my breastmilk is excellent for my children and while it is a body fluid I don't think it has either blood or pus in it. Curious but without time to read the book.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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