Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 hi folks, below is an excerpt from a message i sent to the raw b'ham list and i thot i should post it here also since members of the seattle group often attend the b'ham events. eric has also put it on b'ham event description on the seattle website (thanks eric . lookin forward, norm )~ ~~~ Something wonderful you can do for yourself and all life on Earth is to eat a diet of organic unprocessed raw foods that are free of animal products. ~~~ "As far as Raw B'ham goes, we have no formal dietary ethics, but it's come to my attention that some of our potluck dishes may be sweetened with honey. Being an ex-beekeeper, I know that many of the bees are either killed or smoked to a stupor in the process of opening and closing a hive (not my idea of cruelty free). So... since I'm hosting the gathering and my home is vegan (as in ethical vegan or cruelty free vegan rather than dietary vegan), I've added 'cruelty free' to the event description. Therefore, please sweeten dishes with something other than honey. This applies to my place only and other's can set their own standards when they host." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2002 Report Share Posted May 10, 2002 Re the bees... Just for information purposes... I just checked with the folks at Really Raw Honey. Here is their reply: The bees are not harmed in getting the honey. If the bees are unsettled, smoke is used to settled them, but the smoke does not harm the bees. Thank you, Ben > > " As far as Raw B'ham goes, we have no formal dietary ethics, but it's come to my attention that some of our potluck dishes may be sweetened with honey. Being an ex-beekeeper, I know that many of the bees are either killed or smoked to a stupor in the process of opening and closing a hive (not my idea of cruelty free). So... since I'm hosting the gathering and my home is vegan (as in ethical vegan or cruelty free vegan rather than dietary vegan), I've added 'cruelty free' to the event description. Therefore, please sweeten dishes with something other than honey. This applies to my place only and other's can set their own standards when they host. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 a few raw thoughts....that is right, when you remove the honey, you don't really harm the bees, but what about the fact, that by permanently removing the honey, the poor suckers are forced to permanently go about rebuilding the " stock " , just the way it happens with the cows being constantly milked even whenthere's no baby around to feed...otherwise, they would naturally stop creating milk until the next calf...true or false?...and how do you know that the smoke does not harm them?....i think it does, just by observation, because i don't know much about bees at all... and last but not least...i do not consider the argument of " cruelty to the animals " as a valid one in any context, i haven't actually seen this concept in a proper/organic context, not in an ethical one, and not in a political one , either... it is just another floating , whimsical, activistic , artificially created abstraction, too bad, so many " good intentioned " people being chewed in the subject... the absolute convincing fact is, just after i ordered a jar of " really raw honey " , that i don't really like it anymore, i don't feel good even after having had just a lick of it... that pretty much directs my attention to realizing, that honey, " really raw " or not, is not proper to human digestion along with many others... happy mothers day to all, " really raw " or not.... mangoes are super nowadays, aren';t they?.. a tt i l a --- victoriusme <mtsvme wrote: > Re the bees... > > Just for information purposes... > > I just checked with the folks at Really Raw Honey. > Here is their > reply: > > The bees are not harmed in getting the honey. If > the bees are > unsettled, smoke is used to settled them, but the > smoke does not harm > the bees. > > Thank you, > > Ben > > > > > " As far as Raw B'ham goes, we have no formal > dietary ethics, but > it's come to my attention that some of our potluck > dishes may be > sweetened with honey. Being an ex-beekeeper, I know > that many of the > bees are either killed or smoked to a stupor in the > process of > opening and closing a hive (not my idea of cruelty > free). So... > since I'm hosting the gathering and my home is vegan > (as in ethical > vegan or cruelty free vegan rather than dietary > vegan), I've > added 'cruelty free' to the event description. > Therefore, please > sweeten dishes with something other than honey. > This applies to my > place only and other's can set their own standards > when they host. " > > LAUNCH - Your Music Experience http://launch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Re the bees... I don't know a lot about beekeeping, but here's a couple of questions: (1) How do they know that the smoke does no harm? It's obviously doing something to them if it's slowing them down. (2) Would Loren Lockman think that smoke is part of a bee's perfect health? I guess the answer to these questions will help me nail down the big question I think we're asking - Is it is truly compassionate to keep bees for the production of honey? I certainly don't think it's necessary. Chuck in B'ham - victoriusme RawSeattle Friday, May 10, 2002 1:44 PM [RawSeattle] Re: b'ham potluck Re the bees...Just for information purposes...I just checked with the folks at Really Raw Honey. Here is their reply:The bees are not harmed in getting the honey. If the bees are unsettled, smoke is used to settled them, but the smoke does not harm the bees.Thank you,Ben> > "As far as Raw B'ham goes, we have no formal dietary ethics, but it's come to my attention that some of our potluck dishes may be sweetened with honey. Being an ex-beekeeper, I know that many of the bees are either killed or smoked to a stupor in the process of opening and closing a hive (not my idea of cruelty free). So... since I'm hosting the gathering and my home is vegan (as in ethical vegan or cruelty free vegan rather than dietary vegan), I've added 'cruelty free' to the event description. Therefore, please sweeten dishes with something other than honey. This applies to my place only and other's can set their own standards when they host." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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