Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Here we go again. Looks like we replaced the Buddhists with the Christians. It also seems like I'm the only one who objects to the raw group being filled with random irrelevant philosophical musings. I quit. Good bye and good luck. Niz - RawSeattle Friday, November 08, 2002 2:26 AM RawSeattle [RawSeattle] Digest Number 444 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Niz, No, you're not the only one who objects to this. I've already emailed Jack privately last night. Except for a posting at 2 minutes after midnight, there have been no postings today. I appreciate peoples enthusiasm regarding vegan, vegetarian and animal rights issues, but not when they are constant and off topic (not raw). I am sensitive to off topic posts as I do not want to lose our members. Please do not leave, as, hopefully, these posts will not continue. Jack and others are welcome as long as they honor the purpose of this list and respect " In Baskets " of our members. For those wishing to receive animal rights emails, etc. there are plenty of other email lists already in existence that we may freely join. Thank, Jeff Raw Seattle List Moderator (one of em, anyway) >Here we go again. Looks like we replaced the Buddhists with the >Christians. It also seems like I'm the only one who objects to the >raw group being filled with random irrelevant philosophical musings. >I quit. Good bye and good luck. Niz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Jeff and Niz, I actually appreciate reading these exchanges for the brief period between the time they appear and when someone chases them off the list. So I wish Niz would be more gracious with his comments - I agree that they are off-topic but how else would we find out that there is another place where they are broadcast if not for incidents like this. (What are those places by the way?) Thank you. Nick Hein Renton, WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Thank you, Jeff. I just have to say that I agree with you and Niz. While I also appreciate Jack's enthusiasm about animal issues, I object to this list being used as a forum for religious propaganda. In addition, it occurs to me that possibly Jack doesn't realize that raw foodists are not of a common mind when it comes to animal issues (unfortunately), even though most of us are vegan. So from that standpoint alone this list is not an appropriate place for his messages. That being said, however, I personally would not object if it weren't for the religious overtones. Thanks again for bringing your considerable diplomacy skills to bear, once again. Nora P.S. Niz, thank you too, for speaking your mind about this. Jeff Rogers wrote: > Niz, > > No, you're not the only one who objects to this. I've already emailed > Jack privately last night. Except for a posting at 2 minutes after > midnight, there have been no postings today. > > I appreciate peoples enthusiasm regarding vegan, vegetarian and > animal rights issues, but not when they are constant and off topic > (not raw). I am sensitive to off topic posts as I do not want to lose > our members. > > Please do not leave, as, hopefully, these posts will not continue. > Jack and others are welcome as long as they honor the purpose of this > list and respect " In Baskets " of our members. > > For those wishing to receive animal rights emails, etc. there are > plenty of other email lists already in existence that we may freely > join. > > Thank, > > Jeff > Raw Seattle List Moderator (one of em, anyway) > > >Here we go again. Looks like we replaced the Buddhists with the > >Christians. It also seems like I'm the only one who objects to the > >raw group being filled with random irrelevant philosophical musings. > >I quit. Good bye and good luck. Niz > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 One list that some of you may be interested in is the EarthSave Seattle list (many raw fooders are already on the list). Besides discussions of local EarthSave events, there are media articles and links to articles posted to the list regarding vegan, vegetarian, GMO's, Mad Cow and other related issues, including some animal rights issues. While the list was originally intended for use by EarthSave members for networking, it has evolved since then. Anyone may join. There is now a separate list for official notification of EarthSave Seattle events. To Join " ESS " : To to this list, mail a message to majordomo with no subject and the message body containing: esavers To find appropriate email lists of interest already existing with , search by key word at this address: / While not as extensive as , Seattle Community Network has a list of local email lists by category (I didn't see any animal rights lists). http://www.scn.org/maillists/topics.html I personally search various news services for vegan/vegetarian/raw food, etc. articles for posting to my (not-for-profit) website (http://www.soystache.com), as well as to the ESS list. If you wish to see some of these articles, you may visit my website periodically, or sign up for the ESS list. (the raw food article links I will email to the Raw Seattle list) Jeff >(What are those places by the way?) > >Thank you. >Nick Hein >Renton, WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Dear Jeff The other reason why I think I want to quit is that there is very little about raw food ever written here. Why is that? I could write a lot, but it seem more fashionable to philosophize. Here's examples of what I would consider useful information or discussion: I just bought Asian pears at Wholefoods the size of grapefruits that are delicious at $1.99 per lb. I just bought a case of organic Sapotes at Central Market. I asked PCC to carry Govinda's raw crackers like they do at Rainbow grocery and Wholefoods, but they said their shelves are already too full (of cooked stuff). Rainbow grocery has a new type of raw dehydrated snack rolled in nori. Did you know that if you drain the juice from Nature's First Law Moroccan Olives you can use it instead of Nama Shoyu. Then soak the olives for a week in filtered water and they become less salty, more palatable and you get more juice by the time the jar is finished. Use it in salad dressings etc. Last month bought 25 lbs of 'raw' pistachios from a farmer and shared it with my friends. I got the contact from Victoria Boutenko's resource list. As I was reordering I asked if they were dried in any way. She said yes... at just below 200 degrees! Be careful, always ask. When I was at the Essene Gathering in Breittenbush people were saying that all tahini is not raw and the only truly raw Almond butter is from Rejuvenative foods or Natures first Law. Did you know that Vitamineral Greens from Healthforce Nutritionals is the same as Natures first food, except it has carob added. It also happens to be a lot cheaper. I here somebody got a good supplier of Mexican coconut oil at the raw festival in Portland. I could go on, but should I ? Niz - Jeff Rogers Friday, November 08, 2002 7:49 PM RawSeattle Cc: nizmarar Re: [RawSeattle] Digest Number 444 Niz,No, you're not the only one who objects to this. I've already emailed Jack privately last night. Except for a posting at 2 minutes after midnight, there have been no postings today.I appreciate peoples enthusiasm regarding vegan, vegetarian and animal rights issues, but not when they are constant and off topic (not raw). I am sensitive to off topic posts as I do not want to lose our members.Please do not leave, as, hopefully, these posts will not continue. Jack and others are welcome as long as they honor the purpose of this list and respect "In Baskets" of our members.For those wishing to receive animal rights emails, etc. there are plenty of other email lists already in existence that we may freely join.Thank,JeffRaw Seattle List Moderator (one of em, anyway)>Here we go again. Looks like we replaced the Buddhists with the >Christians. It also seems like I'm the only one who objects to the >raw group being filled with random irrelevant philosophical musings. >I quit. Good bye and good luck. NizGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Niz, If I may interject, to answer your question... >>I could go on, but should I ? >>Niz YES! Be the change you want to see. Oops, I philosophized. Nick Hein Renton, WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Thank you Nick for the support. However, it is not my voice that I want to hear, but that of the community. It seems that in the absence of raw food discussion, the void is filled unrelated topics. The result is that many raw fooders (I personally know several) that do not get involved because of a cultish feel, and a raw food co-op that cannot get started due to lack of interest. Yet there is already a discussion group and a coop of sorts, through people sharing and cooperating with intimate friends; it's just not happening here or on a larger scale. Lets change that. Niz RawSeattle, " Nick Hein " <nick.hein@a...> wrote: > Niz, > If I may interject, to answer your question... > > >>I could go on, but should I ? > >>Niz > > YES! Be the change you want to see. > > Oops, I philosophized. > > Nick Hein > Renton, WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 I have to side with Niz on this. I don't think Niz's comments were intentionally mean or ungracious. I think they came from frustration! I appreciate and respect peoples views on everything, I have my opinion they have theirs. I to many lists, I to this one for RAW food information. For every off topic point/message posted here there is a list somewhere, where that info is appropriate. But it is not here. I care about animals, and how they are treated, I care about people and how they are treated too, but in my view that has nothing to do with raw food. Green peace, earth save, paws, there are tons of lists out there if you want info on those subjects, search a little! If I want philosophical musings, or religious rhetoric I can find that. But I don't want to find that here. Niz your last post (that I have read, anyway) about the fruit you bought, etc. was wonderful!! That is the info I seek!! I am new to this raw food thing, consequently I don't say much because I don't have a lot of knowledge to share yet (that is why I am here). Just my .02 Monte RawSeattle, " Nick Hein " <nick.hein@a...> wrote: > Jeff and Niz, > I actually appreciate reading these exchanges for the brief period between the time they appear and when someone chases them off the list. So I wish Niz would be more gracious with his comments - I agree that they are off-topic but how else would we find out that there is another place where they are broadcast if not for incidents like this. (What are those places by the way?) > > Thank you. > Nick Hein > Renton, WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 Great info NIZ!! Thank you so much. What are these Govinda's crackers you are talking about? I would like to look into them. Post info here or email me direct at mavalkyrie Thanks Monte RawSeattle, " Niz Marar " <nizmarar@m...> wrote: > > Dear Jeff > > - > Jeff Rogers > Friday, November 08, 2002 7:49 PM > RawSeattle > Cc: nizmarar@m... > Re: [RawSeattle] Digest Number 444 > The other reason why I think I want to quit is that there is very little about raw food ever written here. Why is that? I could write a lot, but it seem more fashionable to philosophize. Here's examples of what I would consider useful information or discussion: > > I just bought Asian pears at Wholefoods the size of grapefruits that are delicious at $1.99 per lb. > > I just bought a case of organic Sapotes at Central Market. > > I asked PCC to carry Govinda's raw crackers like they do at Rainbow grocery and Wholefoods, but they said their shelves are already too full (of cooked stuff). > > Rainbow grocery has a new type of raw dehydrated snack rolled in nori. > > Did you know that if you drain the juice from Nature's First Law Moroccan Olives you can use it instead of Nama Shoyu. Then soak the olives for a week in filtered water and they become less salty, more palatable and you get more juice by the time the jar is finished. Use it in salad dressings etc. > > Last month bought 25 lbs of 'raw' pistachios from a farmer and shared it with my friends. I got the contact from Victoria Boutenko's resource list. As I was reordering I asked if they were dried in any way. She said yes... at just below 200 degrees! Be careful, always ask. > > When I was at the Essene Gathering in Breittenbush people were saying that all tahini is not raw and the only truly raw Almond butter is from Rejuvenative foods or Natures first Law. > > Did you know that Vitamineral Greens from Healthforce Nutritionals is the same as Natures first food, except it has carob added. It also happens to be a lot cheaper. > > I here somebody got a good supplier of Mexican coconut oil at the raw festival in Portland. > > I could go on, but should I ? > Niz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 Check them out at http://govinda.websitecandy.com/category.asp?category=101 Note: not all their stuff is raw RawSeattle, " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie> wrote: > Great info NIZ!! Thank you so much. What are these Govinda's crackers > you are talking about? I would like to look into them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 Good afternoon, I know that the (raw) Govinda bars are available down here in the south suburbs at Minkler's Green Earth in Renton and Nature's Market in Kent at 256th and Benson. They have them on the shelf. Nick Hein Renton - nizarzaki RawSeattle Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:21 AM [RawSeattle] Re: Digest Number 444 Check them out at http://govinda.websitecandy.com/category.asp?category=101Note: not all their stuff is rawRawSeattle, "mavalkyrie" <mavalkyrie> wrote:> Great info NIZ!! Thank you so much. What are these Govinda's crackers > you are talking about? I would like to look into them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 Howdy Folks Heres a tip to keep the content concerned people of this discussion group less pissed off. Don't just press the reply button when engaging in personal discussion with another member, " paste " their addy in your " to " row, and go from there. Of course, one does this when valuable info to the group is no longer written. Even more skinny inboxes, yeah! hope i didn't offend love Nach > " Niz Marar " <nizmarar >RawSeattle > " Jeff Rogers " <Jeff, " rawseattle " ><RawSeattle > >Re: [RawSeattle] Digest Number 444 >Sat, 9 Nov 2002 00:19:17 -0800 > > >Dear Jeff >The other reason why I think I want to quit is that there is very little >about raw food ever written here. Why is that? I could write a lot, but it >seem more fashionable to philosophize. Here's examples of what I would >consider useful information or discussion: > >I just bought Asian pears at Wholefoods the size of grapefruits that are >delicious at $1.99 per lb. > >I just bought a case of organic Sapotes at Central Market. > >I asked PCC to carry Govinda's raw crackers like they do at Rainbow grocery >and Wholefoods, but they said their shelves are already too full (of cooked >stuff). > >Rainbow grocery has a new type of raw dehydrated snack rolled in nori. > >Did you know that if you drain the juice from Nature's First Law Moroccan >Olives you can use it instead of Nama Shoyu. Then soak the olives for a >week in filtered water and they become less salty, more palatable and you >get more juice by the time the jar is finished. Use it in salad dressings >etc. > >Last month bought 25 lbs of 'raw' pistachios from a farmer and shared it >with my friends. I got the contact from Victoria Boutenko's resource list. >As I was reordering I asked if they were dried in any way. She said yes... >at just below 200 degrees! Be careful, always ask. > >When I was at the Essene Gathering in Breittenbush people were saying that >all tahini is not raw and the only truly raw Almond butter is from >Rejuvenative foods or Natures first Law. > >Did you know that Vitamineral Greens from Healthforce Nutritionals is the >same as Natures first food, except it has carob added. It also happens to >be a lot cheaper. > >I here somebody got a good supplier of Mexican coconut oil at the raw >festival in Portland. > >I could go on, but should I ? >Niz >- >Jeff Rogers >Friday, November 08, 2002 7:49 PM >RawSeattle >Cc: nizmarar >Re: [RawSeattle] Digest Number 444 > >Niz, > >No, you're not the only one who objects to this. I've already emailed >Jack privately last night. Except for a posting at 2 minutes after >midnight, there have been no postings today. > >I appreciate peoples enthusiasm regarding vegan, vegetarian and >animal rights issues, but not when they are constant and off topic >(not raw). I am sensitive to off topic posts as I do not want to lose >our members. > >Please do not leave, as, hopefully, these posts will not continue. >Jack and others are welcome as long as they honor the purpose of this >list and respect " In Baskets " of our members. > >For those wishing to receive animal rights emails, etc. there are >plenty of other email lists already in existence that we may freely >join. > >Thank, > >Jeff >Raw Seattle List Moderator (one of em, anyway) > > > > >Here we go again. Looks like we replaced the Buddhists with the > >Christians. It also seems like I'm the only one who objects to the > >raw group being filled with random irrelevant philosophical musings. > >I quit. Good bye and good luck. NizGet more from the Web. FREE MSN >Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _______________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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