Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Sorry, Attila, but there is such a place. They are great. They help you do eye exercises and correct vision problems. They were recommended by my opthamologist. Alderwood Vision Therapy Clinic (206) 7715113 18631 Alderwood Mall Blvd., Lynnwood, 98037 -- Corrie www.CorriesLeapofFaith.siteblast.com Only where love and need are one, And the work is play for mortal stakes, Is the deed ever truly done For heaven and the future's sakes. Robert Frost -- Nick Hein <nick.hein wrote: > Good evening, > While we're on the subject of health providers, my > daughter is having difficulty with her sight. At > the same time I think mine is getting better so both > of us would like to get tested. After hearing > Socorro talk at Linda's the last time about the > importance of light conditions on getting an > accurate eye measurement, I'd like to find someone > who will do this. It is a matter of urgency as our > vision care insurance is about to run out. > > Can anyone recommend a behavioral opthamologist (or > a natural eyesight oriented one) nearby? Is there a > natural health care directory that might have it? > > Thank you. > > Nick Hein > Renton, WA > USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Just to be funny and a tease, but it's op*H*tha*L*mologist. Couldn't resist showing off my knowledge of ancient Greek vocab. :-) [The _modern_ Greek could be the same, but that's something I _don't_ know. :-)] I know I also risk being considered a snob in pointing this out. That's fine. If you get to know me better, you'll find that not to really be true, or maybe not(?). That's your opinion, and " the opinions of others are none of my business, " as someone said. Anyway, I wonder if the place you mention helps one do special " exercises " or just helps correct vision habits. That's my understanding of how the " Relearning to See " program works. (Socorro?) RawSeattle , " Cornelia Moore " <sillymoore@e...> wrote: > Sorry, Attila, but there is such a place. They are great. They help you > do eye exercises and correct vision problems. They were recommended by > my opthamologist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Corrie, Just a quick note - the office you referred me to now has a 425 area code. (425-771-5113). There are other similar practitioners with offices in Bellevue, Seattle and Federal Way. For me the closest one is Bellevue - Dr. Ted Kadet at 425-462-8250. I tried calling but haven't gotten through yet. Optometrists who practice vision therapy (rather than corrective hardware) are usually members of the College of Optometrists in Vision Development (COVD) and you can find out more about their treatment methods and where to find a practitioner in your area at their website - www.covd.org That's the theory at least. In trying to use their locator I haven't had any success yet. But you can call the Alderwood office and they will give you a local referral. Nick Hein Renton, WA - Cornelia Moore RawSeattle Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:15 AM [RawSeattle] Vision Therapist Sorry, Attila, but there is such a place. They are great. They help youdo eye exercises and correct vision problems. They were recommended bymy opthamologist.Alderwood Vision Therapy Clinic(206) 771511318631 Alderwood Mall Blvd., Lynnwood, 98037-- Corriewww.CorriesLeapofFaith.siteblast.comOnly where love and need are one,And the work is play for mortal stakes,Is the deed ever truly doneFor heaven and the future's sakes. Robert Frost-- Nick Hein <nick.hein wrote:> Good evening,> While we're on the subject of health providers, my> daughter is having difficulty with her sight. At> the same time I think mine is getting better so both> of us would like to get tested. After hearing> Socorro talk at Linda's the last time about the> importance of light conditions on getting an> accurate eye measurement, I'd like to find someone> who will do this. It is a matter of urgency as our> vision care insurance is about to run out.> > Can anyone recommend a behavioral opthamologist (or> a natural eyesight oriented one) nearby? Is there a> natural health care directory that might have it?> > Thank you.> > Nick Hein> Renton, WA> USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 cornelia dear, yes, it's possible to have an o p h t a l m o l o g i s t (eric, thanks, it's not you who is the snob:)~~~ , an eye care practitioner, who calls herself a behaviorist one... but that does not change the fact, that the concept itself " behaviorist ophtalmologist " is NOT a valid one, and it's ridiculous (something like " relative plumber " ).... and i have the same problem with all the rest of " alternative " guys, with all the composite, cool sounding, marketable but invalid " postmodern " ideas in any field, arts,politics, ethics, you name it ... and nick's common sense over his " behaviorism " finally triumphed, see his latest letter : " I may take those classes, but I still need to get an accurate test so I can measure progress against an accurate starting point. " (quoted without nick's permission) see, what i mean ? he wants a reliable, an ABSOLUTE base to build on.. just as we want clean water, clean air,clean , unadultareted food, clean mind in clean body, so do we want clean concepts as well, so we know what we talk about ... and this is the reason why and when i snap ... too much mumbo-jumbo all over ... judgemental enough? ... a tt i l a --- Cornelia Moore <sillymoore wrote: > Sorry, Attila, but there is such a place. They are > great. They help you > do eye exercises and correct vision problems. They > were recommended by > my opthamologist. > > Alderwood Vision Therapy Clinic > (206) 7715113 > 18631 Alderwood Mall Blvd., Lynnwood, 98037 > > > -- Corrie > www.CorriesLeapofFaith.siteblast.com > > Only where love and need are one, > And the work is play for mortal stakes, > Is the deed ever truly done > For heaven and the future's sakes. > Robert Frost > > -- Nick Hein <nick.hein wrote: > > Good evening, > > While we're on the subject of health providers, my > > daughter is having difficulty with her sight. At > > the same time I think mine is getting better so > both > > of us would like to get tested. After hearing > > Socorro talk at Linda's the last time about the > > importance of light conditions on getting an > > accurate eye measurement, I'd like to find someone > > who will do this. It is a matter of urgency as > our > > vision care insurance is about to run out. > > > > Can anyone recommend a behavioral opthamologist > (or > > a natural eyesight oriented one) nearby? Is there > a > > natural health care directory that might have it? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Nick Hein > > Renton, WA > > USA > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Attila, Please feel free to share your insights with this list, but please refrain from judgements or personal attacks. I recognize there is a use for " mumbo-jumbo. " Many people on this planet buy into a lot of today's techniques and " professionals. " When we have base-line exams or reports along with final exams or reports from " experts, " which " prove " that we have improved our vision or health, it is easier to convince the masses that there is a benefit to certain techniques or diets, etc. Many people want to see it on paper. If someone like Nick or I, or anyone else, is going to improve his health anyway, and is able to document his progress, which may help to encourage many more people to pursue alternative practices, then I say more power to him! I realize the main thing for me may be to take care of my " temple " and that modern science may not be necessary, but as I mentioned, there are other benefits to such documentation! I am still trying to help people save the planet. Simple choices they make can make a difference. Arming myself with " truth, " including documentation of my health improvements, etc. can make a positive difference. Thanks for understanding. Jeff > (eric, thanks, it's not you who is the snob:)~~~ , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Attila, I can't say I understand what you're talking about, but thanks for getting involved in the discussion. Now who wants to talk about food? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 jeff, nothing can corrupt and desintegrate a culture or a man's character as thoroughly as does the precept of " nonjudgmental " attitude of recent times, the idea that one must refrain from passing judgments on ideas, on other persons, that one must be morally tolerant of anything, that the good consists of never distinguishing good from bad or evil ... yea, simple choices people make DO make a huge difference, and there is no escape from the fact that men HAVE TO make choices... and as long as men have to make choices, there is no escape from MORAL VALUES... and so long as moral values are at stake, no moral neutrality is possible... the moral principle to adopt here is : judge, and be prepared to be judged ... the opposite of moral neutrality is not a blind, arbitrary, self-righteous condemnation of any idea, action or person that does not fit one's mood, one's memorized slogans or one's snap judgement of the moment indiscriminate tolerance and indiscriminate condemnation are not two opposites: they are two variants of the same evasion, to declare that " everybody is neither white nor black, but gray " is not a moral judgment, but an escape from the responsibility of moral judgment... to judge means: to evaluate a given concrete , an idea , by reference to an abstract principle or standard... it is not an easy task...it is not a task that can be performed automatically by one's feelings, " instincts " or hunches it is a task that requires the most precise, the most exacting, the most ruthlesssly objective and RATIONAL process of thought ...moral cowardice is the necessary consequence of discarding judgements as inconsequential it is the common symptom of all intellectual appeasers, do not confuse appeasement with tactfulness or generosity, appeasement is not consideration for the feelings of others... " judge not, that ye be not judged " ... is an abdication of moral responsibility: it is a moral blank check one gives to others in exchange for a moral blank check one expects for oneself... what is morality,or ethics? ... it is a code of values to guide man's choices and actions which determine the purpose and the course of his life... (see for ex. " the essene code of life " )... ethics is an objective, metaphysical necessity of man's survival, " I am still trying to help people save the planet " ... the man who refuses to judge, who neither agrees nor disagrees, who declares that there are no absolutes and believes that he escapes responsability, is THE man responsible for all the blood that is now spilled in the world.... reality is an absolute, existence is an absolute, a speck of dust is an absolute and so is human life.... there are TWO sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the " alternative " is always evil... the man who is wrong still retains some respect for " truth " , if only by accepting the responsibilty of choice... but the man in the " middle " is the knave who blanks out the truth in order to pretend that no choice or values exist... --- Jeff Rogers <jeff wrote: > Attila, > > Please feel free to share your insights with this > list, but please > refrain from judgements or personal attacks. > > I recognize there is a use for " mumbo-jumbo. " Many > people on this > planet buy into a lot of today's techniques and > " professionals. " When > we have base-line exams or reports along with final > exams or reports > from " experts, " which " prove " that we have improved > our vision or > health, it is easier to convince the masses that > there is a benefit > to certain techniques or diets, etc. Many people > want to see it on > paper. If someone like Nick or I, or anyone else, is > going to improve > his health anyway, and is able to document his > progress, which may > help to encourage many more people to pursue > alternative practices, > then I say more power to him! > > I realize the main thing for me may be to take care > of my " temple " > and that modern science may not be necessary, but as > I mentioned, > there are other benefits to such documentation! > > I am still trying to help people save the planet. > Simple choices they > make can make a difference. Arming myself with > " truth, " including > documentation of my health improvements, etc. can > make a positive > difference. > > Thanks for understanding. > > Jeff > > > > (eric, thanks, it's not you who is the snob:)~~~ , > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Attila, Thanks for your post. I do not disagree with much of what you write, but don't see the necessity of your post. I did not ask to refrain from " judging " or critiquing ideas, just to refrain from personal attacks (judging or critiquing the person himself.) We would get nowhere in this world if everyone believed the same exact thing and did not question ideas and beliefs. However, I see no need to attack the character of people and see no need to include this on this list, as there are many people sharing this list and reading these posts. Avoiding personal attacks actually encourages the sharing of ideas, contrasting or otherwise, such as you suggest. That would result in more diverse opinions, I believe. Judging character or being condescending may discourage people from participating in discussions here or the list may become a venue for name-calling or anger venting. I don't feel either would be encouraging discussions this list was set up for. Many people may even end up leaving. Thanks, Jeff > jeff, > > nothing can corrupt and desintegrate a culture or >a man's character as thoroughly as does the precept >of " nonjudgmental " attitude of recent times, the idea >that one must refrain from passing judgments on ideas,... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 --- Jeff Rogers <jeff wrote: > Attila, > > Thanks for your post. I do not disagree with much of > what you write, > but don't see the necessity of your post. > We would get > nowhere in this world if everyone believed the same > exact thing and > did not question ideas and beliefs. > > dear jeff, it looks like it's hopeless...my vision of a second renaissance within the raw context is slowly crumbling...i thought with our (re)discovery of the proper character of man, substantially and spiritually, we are making the big step toward awakening, but it seems, the second dark ages are closer than ever ... sad... very sad...attila Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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