Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 Let's not be too quick to call juicing " silly. " While many of us understand organic foods in their natural raw state, eaten as a single food per meal, may be the ideal, many of us may not follow that ideal all the time. Also, freshly squeezed fruit and veggie juices, while not the ideal, are a great replacement for so many beverages consumed by the American public (as well as other nationalities.) Like many other " foods, " juices are a great transitional food (IMO). I'm sure there are a lot of people on this list that are far from ready to follow a raw vegan organic mono diet (how about foraging?), so I would not discourage people from juicing if it helps them to stay " raw " while working towards the ideal. While juicing does strip the fiber from fruits and veggies that slow down absorption of sugars and other nutrients, I'm sure the body does recognize the remaining ingredients. They are just not combined with ingredients that are normally found with them. This concentrating of the juice is why many suggest adding purified water (30% or more) to juices. So, for those who do juice, consider watering down your juices. Personally, I do not often drink juices, but on occasion I am drawn to some fresh green organic juices, so I honor that. Perhaps someday I will be raw vegan mono, but I'm not there yet! I have noticed my own transition to simpler foods in the last 2 years, but am still eating combined ( " potluck " ) foods. Jeff > " Why would you want juice?! It's silly! It's not a whole food! The >juice and the fiber go together, should be inseparable, no matter how >many web sites you review for juicer comparisons! >It makes sense that the body will " freak out " like this like it does >with other unnatural foods, because, being unrecognizeable >(unrecognizeable because all living organisms are built to handle >untreated, whole foods), the body doesn't know what to do, and " goes >overboard " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 Jeff I agree with you. I still like to have green juice regularly using Victoria's quick method of adding water, lemon and apple in my Vitamix with favorite greens. I view juice as high " octane " fuel and as our bodies become more refined they may want this higher " octane " . I am learning to listen to my body and let it guide me to what it needs. So far juicing is still a part of my routine as well as fasting. This works for me and I will continue until I feel I need to change it. I have tried to change at times and my body definitely lets me know that it did not like the change and so I reverted back to the old routine and will follow it longer until I feel ready for the next step. Following our own guidance is key. A regime that works for one, may not work for all. Light and Love Ramona - " Jeff Rogers " <jeff <RawSeattle > Thursday, January 02, 2003 8:01 AM Re: [RawSeattle] Long-anticipated... juicing > Let's not be too quick to call juicing " silly. " While many of us > understand organic foods in their natural raw state, eaten as a > single food per meal, may be the ideal, many of us may not follow > that ideal all the time. Also, freshly squeezed fruit and veggie > juices, while not the ideal, are a great replacement for so many > beverages consumed by the American public (as well as other > nationalities.) Like many other " foods, " juices are a great > transitional food (IMO). I'm sure there are a lot of people on this > list that are far from ready to follow a raw vegan organic mono diet > (how about foraging?), so I would not discourage people from juicing > if it helps them to stay " raw " while working towards the ideal. > > While juicing does strip the fiber from fruits and veggies that slow > down absorption of sugars and other nutrients, I'm sure the body does > recognize the remaining ingredients. They are just not combined with > ingredients that are normally found with them. This concentrating of > the juice is why many suggest adding purified water (30% or more) to > juices. So, for those who do juice, consider watering down your > juices. > > Personally, I do not often drink juices, but on occasion I am drawn > to some fresh green organic juices, so I honor that. Perhaps someday > I will be raw vegan mono, but I'm not there yet! I have noticed my > own transition to simpler foods in the last 2 years, but am still > eating combined ( " potluck " ) foods. > > Jeff > > > > " Why would you want juice?! It's silly! It's not a whole food! The > >juice and the fiber go together, should be inseparable, no matter how > >many web sites you review for juicer comparisons! > > > >It makes sense that the body will " freak out " like this like it does > >with other unnatural foods, because, being unrecognizeable > >(unrecognizeable because all living organisms are built to handle > >untreated, whole foods), the body doesn't know what to do, and " goes > >overboard " . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 Ramona, Thanks for your post. It was a reminder to me that what other people tell us is an inspiration for us to try, but what we stay with should be decided by what our body tells us. I wish you Joy and Peace. Nick - JeffI have tried to change at times and my body definitely lets me know that itdid not like the change and so I reverted back to the old routine and willfollow it longer until I feel ready for the next step. Following our ownguidance is key. A regime that works for one, may not work for all.Ramona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 Greetings All! I'm going to jump on this juicing bandwagon in my own still very opinionated manner .... Juicing is one of those topics that can be argued very deftly on both sides of the fence. There are mountains of logic to support both juicing and not juicing. Until my body has helped me to understand what is best for it, I also make judgments based on the deliverer of the message: I look at that person and determine whether they look vibrant, healthy, energetic, etc. Are they the " poster child " that I would like to emulate? And do they seem to be compassionate and tolerant in social and spiritual, etc., ways. Eric wrote: <<All the nutrition " experts " , even the raw foodist ones like David Wolfe, the MD/ND Gabriel Cousens, and so on, can overload us with a ton of complicated details [if we let them :-)] ...>> In my personal opinion, I'd much rather look and act in this world as David Wolfe and Gabriel Cousens do than Doug Graham. Their vibrancy, their aliveness (AND their ability to handle stress with courtesy and politeness) lends some credibility to their " complicated details " in my mind. I have had an opportunity to spend time with all three and, hands down, I would follow their lead over Doug's. Annette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2003 Report Share Posted January 4, 2003 Annette Wrote In my personal opinion, I'd much rather look and act in this world as David Wolfe and Gabriel Cousens do than Doug Graham. Their vibrancy, their aliveness (AND their ability to handle stress with courtesy and politeness) lends some credibility to their "complicated details" in my mind. I have had an opportunity to spend time with all three and, hands down, I would follow their lead over Doug's.I agree with you 100%. Doug is one or the rudest and unhappy people I have met. David Wolfe is charming and charismatic. Also in my experience Doug's theories do not work for me, whereas David's do. Although she didn't mention it, Linda's juicing advice came from David. There are as many theories out there as there are raw fooders. The tendency is for people to universalize their own experience as being true for all. This to me is the major shortfall of most raw food Authors and Lecturers. Although this discussion is interesting, I still feel the need to create another Seattle Raw Food Information group. This group would be for sharing facts, not theories or chat. For example I went to central Market yesterday and they had young Coconuts for $6.25 a case and Fuji apples off the shelf for 95 cents per pound. That is information that I think can be useful to raw food shoppers. I wish someone would have told me when large organic avocados were two for $3 at PCC. Anyone wanting discussion could still use this group. Doesn't anyone else want to know where the organic raw deals are? What do you guys eat? Niz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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