Question from Olympia-with additional questions from seattle

[Guest guest]

Great questions. I didn't want to get into too much detail on my

last post.

 

1) What is a natural remedy? Usually you think of a natural remedy

as something you go and buy to help relieve a certain symptom, except

instead of it being an over-the counter drug, it is something in its

natural state or chemically identical to a nutrient found in natural

foods. For example, some people promote taking Vitamin C to build

immunity to colds. Whether you buy a pill which may or nor may be

absorbed by the body or get your Vitamin C through eating plenty of

raw organic fruit, if the decision to do that is in response to a

health problem, you would be employing a natural remedy.

 

2) How do you assist the body? You have to understand what the body

is doing before you can assist it properly. For example, if I ever

get up quick from sitting down and feel suddenly light headed and

dizzy, I know that I have weak adrenal glands. I choose to remedy it

by using adrenal building herbs for a day or so. To treat the cause,

I look at my life to see where the stress is coming from and try to

lessen it or change the way I look at what is stressing me out. Or

maybe I need to have a little more fun in my life. Another example

is if I am stuck on old past issues, I know I need to do an

intestinal cleanse as I am holding on to old stuff. If a person has

white spots on their fingernails it is a sign of a zinc deficiency

and the person can add zinc-rich foods or a chelated zinc supplement

to supply the lack, thus employing a natural remedy to assist the

body receive the nutrients it needs.

 

3) Again, knowing what the body is trying to accomplish comes from

experience and a knowledge of how the body functions. For example,

when you get a fever, it is because there is something threatening

the body, so it responds by raising the body temperature to kill the

invader. Knowing that, you want to help the body by artificially

raising the body temperature (within safe limits) by hydrotherapy or

saunas. Any attempt to get rid of the symptom by artificially

keeping the body temperature low would be interfering with the body's

attempt to rid the body of its invaders.

 

Any true remedy must go beyond nutrition and include our mental

attitude and way of thinking. Many diseases have their origin in the

mind and the choices we make in life.

 

RawSeattle , attila madaras <Attila86@Y...>

wrote:

>

> >

> > If a natural remedy

>

>

> what would that be...?

>

>

> is employed, it should be to

> > assist the body

>

> how would that " assisting " happen ...?

>

> in

> > what it is trying to accomplish,

>

>

> and how do you identify " what " the body

> is trying to accomplish...?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Ron,

Do you have any information on adrenal building herbs or suggested books? I could really relate to the lighted headed and dizzy feeling for the first two months I went on raw foods, although I have not experienced it in the last month. While on cooked foods I also experienced adreanal problems, the doctors called my condition, hyper-hydrosis (basically excessive sweating in my hands and feet). It also has improved, but still occurs while I'am stressed in particular.

Jim

 

Ron Koenig [ron.koenig]Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:08 PMRawSeattle Subject: [RawSeattle] Re: Question from Olympia-with additional questions from seattleGreat questions. I didn't want to get into too much detail on my last post. 1) What is a natural remedy? Usually you think of a natural remedy as something you go and buy to help relieve a certain symptom, except instead of it being an over-the counter drug, it is something in its natural state or chemically identical to a nutrient found in natural foods. For example, some people promote taking Vitamin C to build immunity to colds. Whether you buy a pill which may or nor may be absorbed by the body or get your Vitamin C through eating plenty of raw organic fruit, if the decision to do that is in response to a health problem, you would be employing a natural remedy. 2) How do you assist the body? You have to understand what the body is doing before you can assist it properly. For example, if I ever get up quick from sitting down and feel suddenly light headed and dizzy, I know that I have weak adrenal glands. I choose to remedy it by using adrenal building herbs for a day or so. To treat the cause, I look at my life to see where the stress is coming from and try to lessen it or change the way I look at what is stressing me out. Or maybe I need to have a little more fun in my life. Another example is if I am stuck on old past issues, I know I need to do an intestinal cleanse as I am holding on to old stuff. If a person has white spots on their fingernails it is a sign of a zinc deficiency and the person can add zinc-rich foods or a chelated zinc supplement to supply the lack, thus employing a natural remedy to assist the body receive the nutrients it needs.3) Again, knowing what the body is trying to accomplish comes from experience and a knowledge of how the body functions. For example, when you get a fever, it is because there is something threatening the body, so it responds by raising the body temperature to kill the invader. Knowing that, you want to help the body by artificially raising the body temperature (within safe limits) by hydrotherapy or saunas. Any attempt to get rid of the symptom by artificially keeping the body temperature low would be interfering with the body's attempt to rid the body of its invaders.Any true remedy must go beyond nutrition and include our mental attitude and way of thinking. Many diseases have their origin in the mind and the choices we make in life.RawSeattle , attila madaras <Attila86@Y...> wrote:> > > > > If a natural remedy> > > what would that be...?> > > is employed, it should be to> > assist the body> > how would that "assisting" happen ...?> > in > > what it is trying to accomplish, > > > and how do you identify "what" the body> is trying to accomplish...?> > > > > > > Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!> http://platinum.

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A good book for a layman would be " The Little Herb Encyclopedia. " I

have a 1980 printing done by Thornwood Books. One section lists

different herbs and what conditions they will benefit. Herbs are

whole foods; however, because they are concentrated they should be

used sparingly. I have been seeing a kinesiologist to determine what

herbs I need and the correct doses. It works far better than

guessing. If you like, I can give you the name of who I see. If you

don't currently have adrenal problems, you shouldn't need adrenal

building herbs. A well-balanced diet should be adequate.

 

Ron Koenig

Bellevue

 

RawSeattle , " Jim Seitz " <jims@a...> wrote:

> Ron,

> Do you have any information on adrenal building herbs or suggested

books? I could really relate to the lighted headed and dizzy feeling

for the first two months I went on raw foods, although I have not

experienced it in the last month. While on cooked foods I also

experienced adreanal problems, the doctors called my condition, hyper-

hydrosis (basically excessive sweating in my hands and feet). It

also has improved, but still occurs while I'am stressed in particular.

> Jim

>

>

> Ron Koenig [ron.koenig@v...]

> Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:08 PM

> RawSeattle

> [RawSeattle] Re: Question from Olympia-with additional

questions from seattle

>

>

> Great questions. I didn't want to get into too much detail on my

> last post.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> 1) What is a natural remedy? Usually you think of a

> natural remedy

> as something you go and buy to help relieve a

> certain symptom,

 

stop here... one should never ever relieve a

symptom ... with any kind of remedy

whatsoever,

be it over the counter or natural ...

symptoms are only the " smoke detector " going

off when there's fire inside, you don't want

to remove the smoke alarm, you DO want to

" deal " with the fire within... don't you...?

 

 

 

except

> instead of it being an over-the counter drug, it is

> something in its

> natural state or chemically identical to a nutrient

> found in natural

> foods. For example, some people promote taking

> Vitamin C to build

> immunity to colds.

 

" building immunity to colds " is just one of

the

very benevolent premises of the medical

sciences

that misled itself and the rest of us believing

that Vit/C c a n build immunity ... wrong!

 

 

 

 

Whether you buy a pill which may

> or nor may be

> absorbed by the body or get your Vitamin C through

> eating plenty of

> raw organic fruit, if the decision to do that is in

> response to a

> health problem, you would be employing a natural

> remedy.

>

eating plenty of raw organic fruit is not

what you do as a response to a health problem,

it is an action based on the knowledge, that

raw organic fruits are the proper nutrition

needed for the human body for its

wellbeing..

 

 

 

 

> 2) How do you assist the body? You have to

> understand what the body

> is doing before you can assist it properly. For

> example, if I ever

> get up quick from sitting down and feel suddenly

> light headed and

> dizzy, I know that I have weak adrenal glands. I

> choose to remedy it

> by using adrenal building herbs for a day or so. To

> treat the cause,

 

there are n o r e m e d i e s !

you don't t r e a t the cause, you remove

it if/when properly identified in relation to

the effect in question... there are no

" adrenal building herbs " as such ... these are

crucial concepts i'd advise to reconsider ...

 

 

 

 

>

> 3) Again, knowing what the body is trying to

> accomplish comes from

> experience and a knowledge of how the body

> functions. For example,

> when you get a fever, it is because there is

> something threatening

> the body, so it responds by raising the body

> temperature to kill the

> invader.

 

 

another wrong premise!

 

 

 

Knowing that, you want to help the body by

> artificially

 

that's the worse thing one could ever do

in any situation ... based repeatedly onthe

same premise,namely that the body lacks the

ability to fully deal with the problem,

and " sometimes " a well intended and calculated

intervention , artificial or natural, will

" assist " the organism to do " the right thing "

this is a big NO NO !

here is the answer in theory: the human body

is a fully selfsufficient,selfgenerated

organism, that is selfsustaining

selfdirecting, selfpreserving,selfhealing,

and it is capable of maintaining itself in

its specific functioning order,

completely free of disease

I F I T S N E E D S A R E M E T !!!

 

 

> raising the body temperature (within safe limits) by

> hydrotherapy or

> saunas. Any attempt to get rid of the symptom by

> artificially

> keeping the body temperature low would be

> interfering with the body's

> attempt to rid the body of its invaders.

>

> Any true remedy must go beyond nutrition

 

 

voila! that's the crux of the matter...

please, repeat after me... there's only

right and wrong nutrition, just as there are

only two factors that an organism's life

depends on: the material or fuel which it

needs from the outside, from its physical

background, and the action of its own

body, the action of using that fuel properly

what standard determines what is proper in

this context? .... the standard is the

organism's LIFE, or: that which is requiered

for the organism's survival ... hence the

m o r a l character of one's choice about

nutrition or diet ... there's only one

fundamental alternative to " right " nutrition:

that which is proper to the continuous

maintenance of all specific life processes

of the human species... any " alternative "

to this will be considered " wrong " nutrition

including any remedies alltogether ...

proper nutrition is a " largerthanlife "

concept and includes fresh air,pure water,

adequate rest ans sleep, wholesome foods =

fruits and vegetables and nuts and seeds eaten

in compatible combinations while in the fresh

raw natural state, cleanliness, sunshine,

constructive work, selfmastery, great arts,

safe political environment ...

 

 

and include

> our mental

> attitude and way of thinking.

 

in this absolute disciplined universe of

ours there is by the same token one " right "

way of thinking and one " wrong " one ... all

other mental " attitudes " are just that:

a t t i t u d e s = range of the moment

floating abstractions ....

 

 

 

Many diseases have

> their origin in the

> mind

 

allow me a correction here: in the un/mis-

educated mind that is ...

 

 

and the choices we make in life.

 

 

un/miseducated mind can make only un/misleading

choices with all the effects entailing...right?

ron, there's some learning to do ...

 

with respect,

 

 

a t t i l a

 

 

 

 

 

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I have added my comments in CAPS inside the post.

 

RawSeattle , attila madaras <Attila86@Y...>

wrote:

>

>

> >

> > 1) What is a natural remedy? Usually you think of a

> > natural remedy

> > as something you go and buy to help relieve a

> > certain symptom,

>

> stop here... one should never ever relieve a

> symptom ... with any kind of remedy

> whatsoever,

> be it over the counter or natural ...

> symptoms are only the " smoke detector " going

> off when there's fire inside, you don't want

> to remove the smoke alarm, you DO want to

> " deal " with the fire within... don't you...?

 

I AGREE. THE ABOVE DEFINITION OF A NATURAL REMEDY WAS A NARROW VIEW,

I ELABORATED ON A MUCH BROADER VIEW BELOW.

>

>

>

> except

> > instead of it being an over-the counter drug, it is

> > something in its

> > natural state or chemically identical to a nutrient

> > found in natural

> > foods. For example, some people promote taking

> > Vitamin C to build

> > immunity to colds.

>

> " building immunity to colds " is just one of

> the

> very benevolent premises of the medical

> sciences

> that misled itself and the rest of us believing

> that Vit/C c a n build immunity ... wrong!

>

IF WE GET ENOUGH VITAMIN C FROM OUR DIET, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE

IT TO BUILD IMMUNITY. MY OPINION AS TO THE MAIN CAUSES OF COLDS IS

LETTING THE BODY GET COLD AND USING REFINED SUGAR WHICH DEPRESSES THE

IMMUNE SYSTEM.

>

>

>

> Whether you buy a pill which may

> > or nor may be

> > absorbed by the body or get your Vitamin C through

> > eating plenty of

> > raw organic fruit, if the decision to do that is in

> > response to a

> > health problem, you would be employing a natural

> > remedy.

> >

> eating plenty of raw organic fruit is not

> what you do as a response to a health problem,

> it is an action based on the knowledge, that

> raw organic fruits are the proper nutrition

> needed for the human body for its

> wellbeing..

>

THAT DEPENDS. IF YOU HAVE A HEALTH PROBLEM, YOU COULD CHOOSE TO EAT

RAW ORGANIC FRUIT TO HELP CLEANSE THE BODY AND CORRECT THE HEALTH

PROBLEM.

>

>

>

> > 2) How do you assist the body? You have to

> > understand what the body

> > is doing before you can assist it properly. For

> > example, if I ever

> > get up quick from sitting down and feel suddenly

> > light headed and

> > dizzy, I know that I have weak adrenal glands. I

> > choose to remedy it

> > by using adrenal building herbs for a day or so. To

> > treat the cause,

>

> there are n o r e m e d i e s !

> you don't t r e a t the cause, you remove

> it if/when properly identified in relation to

> the effect in question... there are no

> " adrenal building herbs " as such ... these are

> crucial concepts i'd advise to reconsider ...

>

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I THINK IN PRINCIPLE WE ARE PRETTY

MUCH ON THE SAME PAGE. I BELIEVE TO REMOVE THE CAUSE, YOU HAVE TO

EMPLOY A REMEDY.

>

>

>

> >

> > 3) Again, knowing what the body is trying to

> > accomplish comes from

> > experience and a knowledge of how the body

> > functions. For example,

> > when you get a fever, it is because there is

> > something threatening

> > the body, so it responds by raising the body

> > temperature to kill the

> > invader.

>

>

> another wrong premise!

>

WHAT IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN? I CHECKED MY HOME REMEDY BOOK AND IT

IS ONE OF THE SEVEN REASONS OF FEVER LISTED.

 

1. INFECTION

2. CANCER

3. TISSUE DEATH

4. FOREIGN PROTEINS IN THE BLOOD

5. DEHYDRATION

6. INCREASED THYROID ACTIVITY

7. MUSCULAR OR CHEMICAL ACTIVITY

>

>

> Knowing that, you want to help the body by

> > artificially

>

> that's the worse thing one could ever do

> in any situation ... based repeatedly onthe

> same premise,namely that the body lacks the

> ability to fully deal with the problem,

> and " sometimes " a well intended and calculated

> intervention , artificial or natural, will

> " assist " the organism to do " the right thing "

> this is a big NO NO !

> here is the answer in theory: the human body

> is a fully selfsufficient,selfgenerated

> organism, that is selfsustaining

> selfdirecting, selfpreserving,selfhealing,

> and it is capable of maintaining itself in

> its specific functioning order,

> completely free of disease

> I F I T S N E E D S A R E M E T !!!

 

YES, THE BODY CAN DO IT ON ITS OWN IF IT HAS THE RIGHT RESOURCES AT

ITS COMMAND, AND IF WE EMPLOY MEANS TO HELP IT, THE BODY WILL HEAL

FASTER. WHAT I AM SAYING THAT WHAT HELP WE GIVE IT SHOULD BE IN

HARMONY WITH THE BODY IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, NOT SOMETHING THAT

WILL ONLY CHANGE THE FORM AND LOCATION OF THE DISEASE.

>

>

> > raising the body temperature (within safe limits) by

> > hydrotherapy or

> > saunas. Any attempt to get rid of the symptom by

> > artificially

> > keeping the body temperature low would be

> > interfering with the body's

> > attempt to rid the body of its invaders.

> >

> > Any true remedy must go beyond nutrition

>

>

> voila! that's the crux of the matter...

> please, repeat after me... there's only

> right and wrong nutrition, just as there are

> only two factors that an organism's life

> depends on: the material or fuel which it

> needs from the outside, from its physical

> background, and the action of its own

> body, the action of using that fuel properly

> what standard determines what is proper in

> this context? .... the standard is the

> organism's LIFE, or: that which is requiered

> for the organism's survival ... hence the

> m o r a l character of one's choice about

> nutrition or diet ... there's only one

> fundamental alternative to " right " nutrition:

> that which is proper to the continuous

> maintenance of all specific life processes

> of the human species... any " alternative "

> to this will be considered " wrong " nutrition

> including any remedies alltogether ...

> proper nutrition is a " largerthanlife "

> concept and includes fresh air,pure water,

> adequate rest ans sleep, wholesome foods =

> fruits and vegetables and nuts and seeds eaten

> in compatible combinations while in the fresh

> raw natural state, cleanliness, sunshine,

> constructive work, selfmastery, great arts,

> safe political environment ...

>

>

> and include

> > our mental

> > attitude and way of thinking.

>

> in this absolute disciplined universe of

> ours there is by the same token one " right "

> way of thinking and one " wrong " one ... all

> other mental " attitudes " are just that:

> a t t i t u d e s = range of the moment

> floating abstractions ....

>

>

>

> Many diseases have

> > their origin in the

> > mind

>

> allow me a correction here: in the un/mis-

> educated mind that is ...

>

>

> and the choices we make in life.

>

>

> un/miseducated mind can make only un/misleading

> choices with all the effects entailing...right?

> ron, there's some learning to do ...

>

> with respect,

>

>

> a t t i l a

>

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

 

Ron Koenig

Bellevue, WA

[Guest guest]

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I THINK IN PRINCIPLE WE ARE PRETTY

MUCH ON THE SAME PAGE. I BELIEVE TO REMOVE THE CAUSE, YOU HAVE TO

EMPLOY A REMEDY.

 

Ron,

Sounds like you have been studying up on natural medicine. There was a time

when I did the same, spent hours and hours learning what I thought were ways to

be healthy. In the end, all that studying was detrimental to me because when I

finally found the truth, I had more to UN-learn. The alternative medical field,

including herbology, homeopathy, acupuncture and a thousand other therapies,

gives lip service to " removing cause " and respecting the body but in the end

operates under the same false theories as the medical industry. The only

difference is that they do it with herbs and supplements instead of drugs and

surgery. Taking herbs isn't removing cause, even if they are whole and

unprocessed, which medicinal herbs hardly ever are. That's a misrepresentation

of the very concept of removing cause. Likewise, taking vitamins doesn't " build

immunity " . There is no such thing as immunity from disease.

I would highly recommend you read " Awakening Our Self-Healing Body " by Art

Baker as a beginning. There are a few

others, including the Life Science course I have for sale, if you're interested.

There is much to learn (and unlearn). It is extremely important that new raw

fooders learn the science (real science, not the medical variety) behind the way

the body works so that old ideas can be discarded.

Nora

(Bellevue)