Guest guest Posted April 1, 2003 Report Share Posted April 1, 2003 raw seattle group, my partner has just been diagnosed with breast cancer. she is looking into all her options for treatment. the surgeons want her to get a masectomy, then radiation and chemotherapy. they say she has a 90-95% chance of recovery. but she doesn't want a masectomy, if it can be prevented, and her family history shows bad reactions to heavy radiation exposure. the doctors don't know or care about alternative methods. but she is looking into them so she can make the right decision to recover from this. what i am asking you is, do you know of alternatives to the more common surgical methods for treating breast cancer? do you know of anyone she can talk to who has recovered or who is recovering from breast cancer using these methods? we have found some references to fasting at retreat centers. i am asking you as i know many of you, and she is overwhelmed right now. we don't have as many resources here where we are attending school (u of ar). thank you, joe williamsonThe new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2003 Report Share Posted April 1, 2003 Re: [RawSeattle] breast cancer problem " Once there was a thread discussing cancer, and I copied it into a Word document for future reference because it contained so much good information. I can send it to you if you'd like. " Nora What a wonderful reply. I would also like a copy of your notes. My daughter has a benign growth in her breast that we are monitoring. I will share this current email with her and perhaps your notes as well. I know she was quite concerned before we found out her growth was benign. She is very aware of my choice to go raw but claims it is definitely not for her. I will drop this information as " seeds " into her mind and see if they will " sprout " . She is 21 and makes her own decisions. All I can do is pray for her and be there if she needs me. Light and Love Ramona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2003 Report Share Posted April 1, 2003 Hey Joe- I do not know anyone personally who has had breast cancer & used alternative or raw methods to successfully overcome it, but there are several books listed in the Nature's First Law catalog written by people who have gone through that & thrived. Some of the titles are: "How I Conquered Cancer Naturally"- Edie Mae Hunsberger "Raw Food Treatment of Cancer"- Dr. Kristina Nolfi "Cancer Doesn't Scare Me Anymore" (video)- Dr. Lorraone Day Dr. Day healed herself of breast cancer, & has a website of her own- www.drday.com. That site might be a good place to investigate. I wish you both well in this... Gideon - joe williamson RawSeattle Tuesday, April 01, 2003 7:50 AM [RawSeattle] breast cancer problem raw seattle group, my partner has just been diagnosed with breast cancer. she is looking into all her options for treatment. the surgeons want her to get a masectomy, then radiation and chemotherapy. they say she has a 90-95% chance of recovery. but she doesn't want a masectomy, if it can be prevented, and her family history shows bad reactions to heavy radiation exposure. the doctors don't know or care about alternative methods. but she is looking into them so she can make the right decision to recover from this. what i am asking you is, do you know of alternatives to the more common surgical methods for treating breast cancer? do you know of anyone she can talk to who has recovered or who is recovering from breast cancer using these methods? we have found some references to fasting at retreat centers. i am asking you as i know many of you, and she is overwhelmed right now. we don't have as many resources here where we are attending school (u of ar). thank you, joe williamson The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 raw seattle group, my partner has just been diagnosed with breast cancer. she is looking into all her options for treatment. the surgeons want her to get a masectomy, then radiation and chemotherapy. they say she has a 90-95% chance of recovery. in " practical " terms, this is 0=ZERO chance... it's too bad using these vague, nonessential, floating " mathematically correct " percentage guarantees, because they mean nothing ... it's like being 95% pregnant ... one either survives or dies when one's life is threatened ... surviving at some statistical rate is an oxymoron ... i want my whole 100% life in proper functional state, there's no compromise possible ... compromise is actually premature death... a lifethreatening lifestyle brought your partner to this ... a 100% change of that same lifestyle will take her out of it ... the principles of natural hygiene can and will, if properly understood and integrated, provide the clue to the problem ... time may also be a crucial factor ... best wishes, a t t i l a Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 Nora I could not locate the file. Please send me another copy. Meanwhile I will check out the TC Fry info you recommend. Thank You Ramona - " Nora Lenz " <nlenz <RawSeattle > Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:18 AM Re: [RawSeattle] breast cancer problem > Thanks, Ramona. I think I may have already sent that info to you, I mentioned > it in a post awhile back and sent it to several people who requested it. The > file is called " RobertandZsuzsaoncancer " . I'd be happy to send it if you don't > already have it. Just let me know. That's too bad about your daughter not > being open to raw food. You might want to read ahead in the TC Fry course to > the lesson on cancer and tumors, so you'll know better what you're dealing > with. I'm reading a book right now by Harvey Diamond, his most recent I > believe, called " The Fit for Life Solution " , in which he offers a brilliant > explanation of cancer. Harvey isn't 100% raw himself, he admits having some > emotional compulsions surrounding food (who doesn't), so his books always have > great suggestions for people who aren't willing to go raw but still want to make > positive changes to their lifestyles. > Nora > > sturtevants wrote: > > > Re: [RawSeattle] breast cancer problem > > > > " Once there was a thread discussing cancer, and I copied it into a Word > > document for future reference because it contained so much good information. > > I can send it to you if you'd like. " > > > > Nora > > > > What a wonderful reply. I would also like a copy of your notes. My > > daughter has a benign growth in her breast that we are monitoring. I will > > share this current email with her and perhaps your notes as well. > > > > I know she was quite concerned before we found out her growth was benign. > > She is very aware of my choice to go raw but claims it is definitely not for > > her. > > > > I will drop this information as " seeds " into her mind and see if they will > > " sprout " . She is 21 and makes her own decisions. All I can do is pray for > > her and be there if she needs me. > > > > Light and Love > > > > Ramona > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 Hi Joe, I sent this note to you privately, but got a delay message back so I'll just post it here. Sorry to hear about your friend. Awhile back I was participating on the living-foods.com bulletin board and there were a couple people there who were extremely knowledgeable about disease. Once there was a thread discussing cancer, and I copied it into a Word document for future reference because it contained so much good information. I can send it to you if you'd like. One of the commenters is Robert Rust, whose mother had breast cancer and healed herself with a raw foods diet. Unless you understand what cancer is and what causes it, you will be confused and overwhelmed by the information you will receive about how to treat it. Everyone has an " alternative " to offer, and unfortunately the alternatives are no better than the conventional therapies. They are possibly less poisoning, but what you want when you have cancer is no poison at all, not less. Even in the raw foods community, confusion on this topic is epidemic. What even most raw fooders don't understand is that cancer is really a simple process, a process that the body undertakes to deal with the poisons that it can't eliminate fast enough. Tumors are nothing more than sequestered toxins, walled off from the bloodstream by hardened tissue. When the body has quarantined all the toxins it can in non-vital areas or in tumors but the poisons keep coming in, cancer is the result. Cancer cells are the kinds of cells that can live and reproduce in an oxygen-free environment, the kind that surrounds tumors where circulation is minimal. I can sympathize with your partner's situation as I used to envision it for myself all the time. My grandmother died young of breast cancer and my father is always telling me I look exactly like her. I was sure I was destined for the same fate. Now that I understand cancer, however, I know it will never happen to me. People don't even believe it's possible to live without the fear of disease. It's the best part of being raw and understanding disease, let me tell you. Even though your partner already has cancer, chances are she can still heal herself, understand how it all works, and thereby live without the fear of it " coming back " . What it takes to heal from cancer is the right kind of mindset. There is a lot of information to take in, and a lot to UN-learn that you assumed was true. It takes an extraordinarily open mind, and faith in nature. If your friend has those things, maybe she can be helped. The very worst thing she can do is subject her body to chemo, radiation, etc. The next worst thing she can do is continue the lifestyle that caused the disease. There is a lot of great information out there, but you have to gain a basic understanding of cancer before you can discern truth from BS. Natural Hygiene is the best resource I've found if you want to gain this understanding. Let me know if you want some references. The books that Gideon mentioned are very good also. Anyway, hope this is helpful. Take care and keep us posted. Nora attila madaras wrote: > > > raw seattle group, > > my partner has just been diagnosed with breast cancer. > she is looking into all her options for treatment. > the surgeons want her to get a masectomy, then > radiation and chemotherapy. they say she has a 90-95% > chance of recovery. > > in " practical " terms, this is 0=ZERO > chance... it's too bad using these vague, > nonessential, floating " mathematically correct " > percentage guarantees, because they mean > nothing ... it's like being 95% pregnant ... > one either survives or dies when one's > life is threatened ... surviving at some > statistical rate is an oxymoron ... i want my > whole 100% life in proper functional state, > there's no compromise possible ... > compromise is actually premature > death... > a lifethreatening lifestyle brought your > partner to this ... a 100% change of that same > lifestyle will take her out of it ... > the principles of natural hygiene can and > will, if properly understood and integrated, > provide the clue to the problem ... > time may also be a crucial factor ... > best wishes, a t t i l a > > > > > Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 Thanks, Ramona. I think I may have already sent that info to you, I mentioned it in a post awhile back and sent it to several people who requested it. The file is called " RobertandZsuzsaoncancer " . I'd be happy to send it if you don't already have it. Just let me know. That's too bad about your daughter not being open to raw food. You might want to read ahead in the TC Fry course to the lesson on cancer and tumors, so you'll know better what you're dealing with. I'm reading a book right now by Harvey Diamond, his most recent I believe, called " The Fit for Life Solution " , in which he offers a brilliant explanation of cancer. Harvey isn't 100% raw himself, he admits having some emotional compulsions surrounding food (who doesn't), so his books always have great suggestions for people who aren't willing to go raw but still want to make positive changes to their lifestyles. Nora sturtevants wrote: > Re: [RawSeattle] breast cancer problem > > " Once there was a thread discussing cancer, and I copied it into a Word > document for future reference because it contained so much good information. > I can send it to you if you'd like. " > > Nora > > What a wonderful reply. I would also like a copy of your notes. My > daughter has a benign growth in her breast that we are monitoring. I will > share this current email with her and perhaps your notes as well. > > I know she was quite concerned before we found out her growth was benign. > She is very aware of my choice to go raw but claims it is definitely not for > her. > > I will drop this information as " seeds " into her mind and see if they will > " sprout " . She is 21 and makes her own decisions. All I can do is pray for > her and be there if she needs me. > > Light and Love > > Ramona > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 yes, please forward the document. joe >"sturtevants" >RawSeattle > >Re: [RawSeattle] breast cancer problem >Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:03:08 -0800 > >Re: [RawSeattle] breast cancer problem > >"Once there was a thread discussing cancer, and I copied it into a Word >document for future reference because it contained so much good information. >I can send it to you if you'd like." > >Nora > >What a wonderful reply. I would also like a copy of your notes. My >daughter has a benign growth in her breast that we are monitoring. I will >share this current email with her and perhaps your notes as well. > > >I know she was quite concerned before we found out her growth was benign. >She is very aware of my choice to go raw but claims it is definitely not for >her. > >I will drop this information as "seeds" into her mind and see if they will >"sprout". She is 21 and makes her own decisions. All I can do is pray for >her and be there if she needs me. > > >Light and Love > >Ramona > Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 ditto. I'd like it also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 Greetings Nora, Can you please send the info you have as well. thank you, Danny >"Nora Lenz" >RawSeattle >RawSeattle >Re: [RawSeattle] breast cancer problem >Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:40:54 -0800 > >Hi Joe, > I sent this note to you privately, but got a delay message back so >I'll just post it here. > Sorry to hear about your friend. Awhile back I was participating on >the living-foods.com bulletin board and there were a couple people there >who were extremely knowledgeable about disease. Once there was a thread >discussing cancer, and I copied it into a Word document for future >reference because it contained so much good information. I can send it >to you if you'd like. One of the commenters is Robert Rust, whose mother >had breast cancer and healed herself with a raw foods diet. > Unless you understand what cancer is and what causes it, you will be >confused and overwhelmed by the information you will receive about how >to treat it. Everyone has an "alternative" to offer, and unfortunately >the alternatives are no better than the conventional therapies. They are >possibly less poisoning, but what you want when you have cancer is no >poison at all, not less. Even in the raw foods community, confusion on >this topic is epidemic. What even most raw fooders don't understand is that >cancer is really a simple process, a process that the body undertakes to >deal with the poisons that it can't eliminate fast enough. Tumors are >nothing more than sequestered toxins, walled off from the bloodstream by >hardened tissue. When the body has quarantined all the toxins it can in >non-vital areas or in tumors but the poisons keep coming in, cancer is the >result. Cancer cells are the kinds of cells that can live and reproduce >in an oxygen-free environment, the kind that surrounds tumors where >circulation is minimal. > I can sympathize with your partner's situation as I used to envision >it for myself all the time. My grandmother died young of breast cancer >and my father is always telling me I look exactly like her. I was sure >I was destined for the same fate. Now that I understand cancer, >however, I know it will never happen to me. People don't even believe >it's possible to live without the fear of disease. It's the best part of >being >raw and understanding disease, let me tell you. Even though your partner >already has cancer, chances are she can still heal herself, understand >how it all works, and thereby live without the fear of it "coming back". > What it takes to heal from cancer is the right kind of mindset. >There is a lot of information to take in, and a lot to UN-learn that >you assumed was true. It takes an extraordinarily open mind, >and faith in nature. If your friend has those things, maybe she can be >helped. The very worst thing she can do is subject her body >to chemo, radiation, etc. The next worst thing she can do is continue >the lifestyle that caused the disease. There is a lot of great >information out there, but you have to gain a basic understanding of >cancer before you can discern truth from BS. Natural Hygiene is the >best resource I've found if you want to gain this understanding. Let me >know if you want some references. The books that Gideon mentioned are >very good also. > Anyway, hope this is helpful. Take care and keep us posted. >Nora > > > >attila madaras wrote: > > > > > > > raw seattle group, > > > > my partner has just been diagnosed with breast cancer. > > she is looking into all her options for treatment. > > the surgeons want her to get a masectomy, then > > radiation and chemotherapy. they say she has a 90-95% > > chance of recovery. > > > > in "practical" terms, this is 0=ZERO > > chance... it's too bad using these vague, > > nonessential, floating "mathematically correct" > > percentage guarantees, because they mean > > nothing ... it's like being 95% pregnant ... > > one either survives or dies when one's > > life is threatened ... surviving at some > > statistical rate is an oxymoron ... i want my > > whole 100% life in proper functional state, > > there's no compromise possible ... > > compromise is actually premature > > death... > > a lifethreatening lifestyle brought your > > partner to this ... a 100% change of that same > > lifestyle will take her out of it ... > > the principles of natural hygiene can and > > will, if properly understood and integrated, > > provide the clue to the problem ... > > time may also be a crucial factor ... > > best wishes, a t t i l a > > > > > > > > > > Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > > http://tax. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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